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Sat Dec 6, 2014, 03:25 AM

Why aren't minorities carrying openly?

The way I see it, the next time some group of hillbillies starts flaunting their second amendment rights, groups of minorities should pick up their legally-owned firearms, walk right over, introduce themselves, and join right in.

Why can white freaks parade around with assault rifles, but a twelve year old black kid with a toy gun doesn't last a minute after a cop arrives?

When I was twelve, we ran all over with all kinds of toy guns, even bb guns. Never worried about such a stupid, terrified (chicken?) cop thinking I might be some threat.

Granted that was the eighties. But those white trash guys with real guns aren't being shot these days either.

So if minorities got out and open-carried more often, maybe white people would get used to it.

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ArcticFox Dec 2014 OP
Recursion Dec 2014 #1
BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #2
Recursion Dec 2014 #3
Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #20
Stellar Dec 2014 #32
Bigmack Dec 2014 #46
Stellar Dec 2014 #61
Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #57
Stellar Dec 2014 #62
Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #76
ZX86 Dec 2014 #81
Lil Missy Dec 2014 #4
Sweeney Dec 2014 #11
helpmetohelpyou Dec 2014 #5
Warpy Dec 2014 #6
Fumesucker Dec 2014 #16
brush Dec 2014 #23
stone space Dec 2014 #19
hadrons Dec 2014 #43
Sweeney Dec 2014 #7
Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #33
Feral Child Dec 2014 #40
Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #53
Sweeney Dec 2014 #59
Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #71
Sweeney Dec 2014 #94
Feral Child Dec 2014 #64
Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #75
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Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #97
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Sweeney Dec 2014 #56
Feral Child Dec 2014 #63
Sweeney Dec 2014 #66
Feral Child Dec 2014 #68
Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #8
world wide wally Dec 2014 #9
ArcticFox Dec 2014 #13
Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #21
brush Dec 2014 #25
Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #31
99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #10
Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #22
99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #67
Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #70
ileus Dec 2014 #74
99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #91
ileus Dec 2014 #95
99th_Monkey Dec 2014 #96
AgingAmerican Dec 2014 #12
ArcticFox Dec 2014 #14
kelliekat44 Dec 2014 #15
Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #28
Mnpaul Dec 2014 #65
KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #38
baldguy Dec 2014 #17
stone space Dec 2014 #18
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brush Dec 2014 #26
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Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #34
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Feral Child Dec 2014 #35
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Feral Child Dec 2014 #73
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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 03:27 AM

1. Well, there was that guy at the original AZ tea party rally with the AR-15

He was African American.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 03:28 AM

2. I remember that guy. He was safe there amongst so many open-carry White people.

And he stuck out like a sore thumb. That said, one Black does not a group of open-carry minorities make.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 03:32 AM

3. There's also the Huey P. Newton Gun Club

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Response to Recursion (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 08:31 AM

20. Yes. They are safe with all those whites.

 

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Response to Recursion (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:34 AM

32. Far too many of them with weapons...

they prefer shooting down non-threatening civilians, with BB guns or air rifles.

The easier targets, they can kill.

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Response to Stellar (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:00 PM

46. I'd say the same thing...

 

..but without the

A larger group...even a small group... of armed minorities would be a deterrent to the present "shoot first" policy.

The idea of a small incident turning into a big firefight might deter some of the police exuberance.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #46)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 02:05 PM

61. Some people think I'm evil if I don't include

the sarcasm. But I agree with you.

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Response to Stellar (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:59 PM

57. You don't need sarcasm. nt

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #57)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 02:05 PM

62. Agreed!

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Response to Stellar (Reply #62)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 10:35 AM

76. You bring up a salient point...

 

Last edited Sun Dec 7, 2014, 11:18 AM - Edit history (1)

While I don't advocate a community taking thus or that action (that's their business), it doesn't keep me from keeping a cool head about what a publicly-armed presence in a community of color might mean. LEOs are singularly ill-equipped to deal with anything more than a drunken riot after the big game: They are loathe to deal with twenty-thirty-who knows? people armed with shotguns and rifles, marching down the street. It's not their job, and calling in the guard just to confront a group is a Big Deal. These demonstrations might have a positive effect if they "move the talks forward" and all that.

Again, it's their community.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 11:19 AM

81. This guy was a paid actor.

Some White radio station personality hired him to parade around the the rally because he thought it would be a hoot. Sorta like the Black security guy at Bundy Ranch. The only way to get Black people to show up at these thinly veiled White Power rallies is to pay them.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 03:37 AM

4. OMG that would get more of them killed.

NOT a good idea IMNSHO!

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 03:41 AM

5. Some do , I've seen them here

 

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 04:00 AM

6. Because they'd be shot on sight and they know it.

The problem with cops overreacting to BB guns is that chickenshit civilians have made hysterical 911 calls embellishing the calm situations of a kid out playing in a park and a man shopping at Walmart as being immediately dangerous to people in the area. That's why the cops shot, they just saw a gun and reacted.

Part of that is the training that makes them react when someone else has a weapon. They've stopped giving the person with the weapon time to put it down/drop it/hand it over.

There is nothing you can do about racist chickenshits who lie to 911 because they're afraid of anyone with skin darker than theirs. The change has to happen with the cops.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 06:32 AM

16. I think the caller for the park shooting did the opposite of embellish

It was the 911 operator who left off the caveats that the caller had included, probably a kid, probably a toy.

The caller may not have gotten close enough to accurately judge the age of the kid and the reality of the gun (which can be impossible even for experts at any distance these days).

On the other hand it's absolutely clear that the caller for the Walmart shooting didn't fear the victim, his wife was riding an electric scooter with a broken ankle and they stayed at a "safe distance" from someone with what they claimed was a high powered rifle.

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/news/report-shooting-beavercreek-wal-mart/ngxN2/

April and Ronald Ritchie, in an interview Wednesday night with News Center 7's Jessica Heffner and Dayton Daily News Staff Writer Kelli Wynn, said they were in the hardware department when they saw a man leaving an aisle and walk past them with the rifle pointed toward the sky.

"He got on his cell phone right after he walked past me," April Ritchie said. Ritchie was on her cell phone, talking with her mother. She had broken an ankle and was riding a scooter.

They followed the man at a safe distance and Ronald Ritchie, a former Marine, called 911 at 8:21 p.m.
"Anytime I saw people walking his way, I would get their attention," April Ritchie said, waving her hands for the reporters to demonstrate what she did. She said at one point, a family was standing next to the man with the rifle, but didn't notice the rifle. The man turned to look at them with a stare she described as if he was telling them, "don't come near me."

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 08:41 AM

23. The last sentence is startling

The man turned to look at them with a stare she described as if he was telling them, "don't come near me."

That "don't come near me" assumption is clearly from the mind of the busybody and sounds alarmingly close to Darren Wilsons, "he looked like a demon."

Those people, who later recanted some of what they told the police dispatcher, got Crawford killed.

There ought to be something done about them.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 08:26 AM

19. The problem with gunz is chicken-shit civilians. (nt)

 

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Response to Warpy (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 10:57 AM

43. Park shooter wasn't embellishing or scared....

I think he said he was scared (I don't remember but he didn't really sound it,) but that caller said THREE times that it's probably a toy ... and I wouldn't want some kid pointing a bb gun at people (those things can blind people) so I can understand the reason to call to get it out of his hands.

Walmart caller was a complete asshole and should have been arrested for reporting a false 911 call though.

But your greater point is true; lots of chickenshit civilians calling the cops on Blacks for no good reason. I'm White and I remember certain areas with older White people and I would get stared and stared by these people when I was younger with them thinking I was up to no good (young people = 'up to no good' to them) and this was long before cell phones ... fast-forward and you still have these scary-cats but now with cell phones.

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Response to Sweeney (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:36 AM

33. You are right about the purpose of gun laws...

 

...right up to the 1968 GCA. Even a chief backer of that law conceded as much.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 10:10 AM

40. They do believe that their laws

will exclude blacks, but that's where segregation will defeat them.

Sure, small municipalities like Fergie are predominately minority populated with white government but in large cities like Atlanta and DC that isn't so. There are minority-owned gun-shops in those towns. A minority official will follow the letter of those laws rather than intent and if a responsible black or Hispanic citizen that meets the criteria applies for a carry permit it will be granted.

I'm personally certain that our minorities are discretely arming themselves.

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Response to Feral Child (Reply #40)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:36 PM

53. A black man owns a gun shop in Austin. Reportedly,

 

he is a Democrat, though highly critical of liberal attitudes toward guns for self-defense. The BBC did a live broadcast from his business last year.

According to Gallup, in a survey released in 2012, the fastest-growing demographics within the gun-owning community were women and self-I.D'd Democrats. I have not seen any recent trends among minority populations.

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Response to Sweeney (Reply #59)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 09:55 AM

71. I am in general agreement. SD is always a thorny

 

problem, esp. Outside the relative security of your home. It is more difficult when SD becomes a complex of community need. I don't presume to tell anyone or community how to deal with it, and I'm damned sure not going to deny that right.

The usual debate over gun policy and rights short-circuits when advocates for SD turn out not to be the "usual suspects!"


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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #53)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 02:22 PM

64. Thanks for your information.

It seems to support my premise, though stats on minority ownership would be most interesting.

I doubt the NRA bothers with researching it. They're all about white folks w/ guns and discount minorities, to welcome those people would rob them of the support of their hateful membership base.

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Response to Feral Child (Reply #64)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 10:17 AM

75. While I gag on the politics of the NRA, and not a member,

 

they are well aware of "minority" concerns and are actively working to recruit different folks, or at least re-frame the debate. They have a problem with the likes of Ted Nugent, et al, so their efforts are undercut from the start, or at least ham-handed.

I think if there is an increase in minority gun-ownership, it might follow the model of long-term expansion of female gun ownership, estimated to have doubled in the last 10+ yrs. Women formed their own clubs, web sites, organizations, etc. Way beyond "Ladies Night" at the range, though that still goes on. The NRA is still playing catch-up with this phenomenon. Christ, there are at least two rather large and active womens' gun groups in the Austin area.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #75)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 01:48 PM

84. Doubt if they'll achieve anything

like equality representation in my lifetime. Just my opinion but I find the leadership to be the nastiest sort of Dominionist filth. I wouldn't even entertain the notion of joining despite their tokenism efforts.

But thanks for that information about their outreach. I'll admit I detest them so strongly I pay no attention to them other than reports on their political activity here on DU.

Hope my bitter tone didn't offend, none of those remarks include you. I just can't help lashing out when I hear that acronym.

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Response to Feral Child (Reply #84)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 06:42 PM

97. I understand. Any community/minority which increases self-armament

 

would be well advised to do it on their own and not wait for the NRA to "help." The only real need for NRA services would be in training & certifying.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #75)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:02 PM

85. On a different note

I have no particular objection to firearms. I'm not a grabber (though I'll admit poking some of the more aggressive Gungeoneers with a stick sometimes. Since I'm out of range... ).

I would like to see better controls in place; extremely stiff sentences for any gun-related misbehavior (including negligence), tougher qualification standards for carry-permits, and licensing fees for ownership.

I carry, occasionally. As a Progressive living in the Confederacy I deem it wise to be prepared for trouble I surely don't seek. Road-Rage is a participant-sport in the South. Perhaps elsewhere, but certainly here.

My wife carries, a 2" stainless Airweight .38Sp (ported), when she backpacks w/ her dog. There have been numerous attacks on female hikers lately.

I don't want to threadjack this important OP, so I'll step out of this sub-thread. Tx for the discussion.

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Response to Feral Child (Reply #85)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 06:48 PM

98. I found it interesting that CA just passed a referendum

 

reducing many jailable offences to misdeamenor and ticketed status. So far so good, but those offenses include theft of many firearms. Peculiar for a state which is chafing at the bit to enact more gun control legislation.

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Response to Sweeney (Reply #56)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 02:17 PM

63. I'm not advocating any course of action.

I'm merely stating the obvious flaws in attempts to keep arms out of the possession of minorities.

I don't get, nor do i want, to dictate strategy for minorities. I'm considered white, although my father was Native American. Life is easier for white dudes and I wasn't raised as Amerind. As a white man it would be the utmost of arrogance and presumption to attempt to make rules for how minorities defend themselves and their children.

If you want to shoulder the White Man's Burden, knock yourself out. Don't expect your efforts to meddle to be welcome, however. I believe that minorities have had enough of patronizing whites, including well-intended progressives.

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Response to Sweeney (Reply #66)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 09:29 AM

68. I can agree in principal with much you say.

Unfortunately, those responsible paths are intentionally blocked. Sometimes violence is necessary, not to redress wrongs, but to actually survive repression and the violence of others.

Minority children and youth are being attacked and killed by the instruments of our society, under color of law. Occasionally, when vigilantes take it upon themselves to kill minority persons for imagined slights, our justice system fails to punish and the murderer becomes a wealthy celebrity, lauded and laurel-ed by that very system. Most often, the murders are rubber-stamped and the affair buried with the bodies of the slain.

I'm afraid that, despite being "freed" by civil war over 100 years ago that they have endure lynchings, shootings, draggings, false-imprisonment, disenfranchisement and daily harassment since being gaining their "freedom. It may be that violence is their only option. If there are violent reactions to this treatment, I can't condemn it.


Thanks for the courteous discussion, Sweeny. I've enjoyed it.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 04:16 AM

8. Get real.

They would only use it as an excuse to shoot them.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 04:20 AM

9. But it is one way to get the NRA to change their tune. As soon as blacks start carrying weapons

around like rednecks, the NRA won't be so eager to fight every gun law ever attempted.

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 05:47 AM

13. You make a great point

That would be an excellent added benefit.

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 08:37 AM

21. HA! You're funny. Good defense of The Narrative™.

 

Psst. Don't tell anyone, but the Huey P. Newton Gun Club doesn't exist. Photoshopped.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 08:51 AM

25. How do you know that?

That photo would be very hard to Photoshop.

I know that because I use Photoshop everyday — the CC version on the cloud — been using it since before it even had layers, version 2.5.

I remember reports of this group in Texas from a couple of months ago. Just curious what the proof of your post is?

And did you know that the original Black Panther Party started by Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale came about because of very similar circumstances that exist now. Black people were being brutalized and killed by racist police in Oakland, Ca., so to me, the existence of this group is very plausible.

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Response to brush (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:31 AM

31. Sarcasm ain't what it used to be...

 

I believe my #29 cleared it up.

Being armed doesn't guarantee a thing except a fighting chance against similarly-armed thugs who might be as white as the inside of my wrist. And it just might back off the worst kinds, as with the Deacons in LA.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 04:24 AM

10. Because a black 12 y.o. had a replica

 

And he was murdered within 3 seconds of police arriving on the scene.

Black Panther leader Fred Hampton (who advocated and practiced blacks policing
their own neighborhoods, guns and all) was murdered in his bed at 5 am 45 years ago yesterday.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/25/1309370/-Another-Texas-WTF-Open-Carry-Gun-Extremists-To-Prance-Through-Black-Neighborhood

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 08:39 AM

22. Check out the pics upstream. Are they dead?

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 05:03 PM

67. Not to my knowledge

 

I'm not necessarily opposed to blacks doing open-carry, but I'm not in a position to decide that for anyone else.

I'm white, progressive, pacifist who got caught up in the Watts Riot in 1965 quite by accident.

If I were to venture an opinion however, I'd feel horrid if I had advocated for blacks arming themselves to the teeth, and then have them all get promptly gunned down for their trouble.

The two black boys shot by cops for having replicas (one in Target and another in a park in Ohio) should tell us something about how "ready" the cops are to do just that "as needed".

I will say that I am NOT opposed to blacks arming-up. They have every right to do so for self-defense, just like anybody else, but I hesitate to actively advocate for it, for the above reasons.

peace out.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #67)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 09:40 AM

70. I quite agree. One of the lessons I learned about

 

activism is to not tell any group, race or community how to run their show. My main concern is that some fellow DUers are not quite so willing to abide by a central (and common sense) tenant of black liberation politics: Help, or not, when asked; otherwise, mind your own bidness.













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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 10:11 AM

74. True OCer's don't go around drawing and reholstering their sidearms.

If someone actually engages in OC they know there's such a thing as brandishing. When in public be it OC or CC you never remove your firearm from the holster.



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Response to ileus (Reply #74)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 03:41 PM

91. OC? CC?

 

Not sure what these mean.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #91)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 06:20 PM

95. open carry & conceal carry

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Response to ileus (Reply #95)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 06:26 PM

96. Thanks. nt

 

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 04:33 AM

12. The Black Panthers did it back in the day

 

...to great effect. They even carried rifles at the California state legislature.

Their reasons for doing so were the same as now: cops attacking, beating and killing black men and boys.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 05:53 AM

14. And that died in the sixties

Murders of JFK, RFK, and MLK (and others we'll never know): incredible coincidence, or strategic attack achieving fifty years of defeat. Which do you believe?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 05:56 AM

15. And the same white open-carry folks that were alive then criticized the Black Panthers and were

 

calling for the government to stop them. The Black Panthers started out trying to protect their people from police brutality then and law enforcement with the help of the media and government painted them as criminals equal to the terrorists of today and the white racist citizenry joined in. A close honest reading of their history ought to tell anyone that black people are not supposed to or allowed to protect themselves like the white supremacists militants are allowed to do. And the folks behind the NRA were screaming the loudest back then.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:05 AM

28. Are the "NRA folks screaming" now?

 

You know, about the HPNGC? When will they start screaming?

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 02:55 PM

65. Reagan did it

couldn't ban open carry fast enough. I think it took about a month.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 10:05 AM

38. Few Republicans will ever acknowledge that Saint Ronnie, while Gov. of California, signed

 

a . . . get ready for it . . . gun control measure. GASP! Yup, the Mulford act was signed specifically in response to the 'black terror.'



The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill prohibiting the public carrying of loaded firearms. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, the bill garnered national attention after the Black Panthers marched bearing arms upon the California State Capitol to protest the bill. The bill was signed by Republican California Governor Ronald Reagan and became California penal code 12031 and 171(c)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 06:44 AM

17. Because, by and large, they understand firearms are the impliments intended to kill them.

 

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 08:23 AM

18. Because they're not idiots? (nt)

 

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 08:46 AM

24. No wonder the cops were acquitted of Rodney Kings'

 

beating. You could look right at that video and see with your own eyes the beating didn't occur -- just like the happenings in posts 1 and 3 didn't occur. It's all fake when laid up against The Narrative™.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 08:58 AM

26. Are you forgeting the sarcasm tag on your posts?

I don't get what you're getting at with this and the "Huey Newton gun club photo is photoshopped posts.

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Response to brush (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:18 AM

29. I'll explain. Some posters here failed to notice:

 

1) Contemparaneous photos of OC blacks (there are others, btw)
2) Recent OC HPNGC members without whites protecting them (as alleged by one poster)
3) No OC blacks shot dead in these (and other) recent photos, as was predicted by another.

Rodney King? A jury looked right at that video and decided something else happened as well; I.e., pictures don't mean shit in the face of "overwhelming" narrative mindsets.

I hope this clarifies.

On edit: Another, #27. The hits just keep coming.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:24 AM

30. No, you still didn't say whether you left off the sarcasm gif

And what does OC blacks mean?

Your posts are still not clear to me.

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Response to brush (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:52 AM

34. OC = Open Carry. At this point...

 

All I can say is the Narratives™ of what will happen to blacks should they OC WILL CONTINUE to fly in the face of the pictures -- events -- within the last year.

BTW, the Narrative WILL be repeated mechanistically should a thousand armed blacks walk down the streets of Burmingham tomorrow. Lord knows, the HPNGC demos in Dallas were roundly ignored.

One of the better lines in cinematic history came from The Wizard of Oz:

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 10:04 AM

37. Ahhh . . . hate to come off as dense, but what is "HPNGC"?

The acronyms you use are not that easily understood

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Response to brush (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:54 PM

55. HPNGC=Huey P. Newton Gun Club...

 

It has had a number of OC demonstrations in the Dallas area over the last couple of years. The latest had them present grievances before government buildings in Dallas. Might have been a white guy in that one.

In the wake of Ferguson when there was some talk about an armed, primarily white group coming to that town to defend something, an internet discussion developed between presumably armed whites and blacks over dress "style." Those modeling after HPNGC preferred formality and discipline, complimenting the quasi-black uniforms, as it suggested responsibility and purposefulness. The interchange was cordial and the white person took note.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:02 AM

27. Because white privilege doesn't protect minorities?

Geez, a 12 year old boy with a toy gun just got shot dead. Martin was carrying fucking Skittles and cell phone that he was talking on when Zimmerman ID's him as a thread--and that was supposedly okay because Martin was wearing a hoodie in the rain. Garner was allegedly carrying loosies.

Can you imagine what would happen if a group of adult, large males of color open carried actual, loaded guns?

And it doesn't matter whether the LEOS are also people of color. People of color internalize the crap society puts on them, maybe not as much as other groups do, but they do internalize it. You can't help it.

For just a few examples, women have told me that they "just" feel more comfortable with a male doctor or a male lawyer; the African American LEO with JIM CROWley sided with him and not Professor Gates and even white women with curly hair straighten it.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:56 AM

35. Unnecessarily confrontational.

Mutual aggressive displays will only provide the opportunity for escalation.

If the currant climate of open-racism and open-carry continues; if the police keep murdering blacks and Hispanics,
minorities will be forced to defend themselves.

They will do so quite ably and without the melodramatic display.

These faux-Confederate "warriors" live in a fantasy where the South Rises Again, they love to role-play their romantic misconception of war, but things have changed dramatically since 1865.

The military is an attractive path for young minority people. Many, many of them have combat experience from serving in the Dominionist wars.
They are trained, confident of their abilities and as willing to defend themselves here as they did there. They won't "play soldiers", they'll just do what's necessary to survive.

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Response to Feral Child (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 10:10 AM

39. I hope they will allow me, a white, to join their ranks, should those matters come to pass. I'm too

 

old for a 20-mile forced march, but I can still help dig trenches! And my wife tells me I cook a mean spaghetti sauce. (Something about an army survives on its stomach!

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #39)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 10:09 AM

73. Lets hope that peaceful protest and solidarity

achieve redress without the need for violence. I've witnessed and engaged in armed violence, unfortunately in a non-righteous cause. Sadly, I'm afraid that violence may be the only solution since this country has shown, in the time since the Civil War, to be uncaring and immune to reason and incapable of evolving past racism.

Violence changes everyone involved or even witnessing it, no less even though the cause may be just. I sincerely regret my past involvement.

I can't speak for the future, other than the injustice can be tolerated no longer.

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Response to Feral Child (Reply #73)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 10:40 AM

77. Here's an article\op-ed by Rolling Stone's Matt Taibi that I hope you get

 

a chance to read and consider for its implications:

Nobody's willing to say it yet. But after Ferguson, and especially after the Eric Garner case that exploded in New York yesterday after yet another non-indictment following a minority death-in-custody, the police suddenly have a legitimacy problem in this country.

Law-enforcement resources are now distributed so unevenly, and justice is being administered with such brazen inconsistency, that people everywhere are going to start questioning the basic political authority of law enforcement. And they're mostly going to be right to do it, and when they do, it's going to create problems that will make the post-Ferguson unrest seem minor . . . .

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-police-in-america-are-becoming-illegitimate-20141205

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Response to KingCharlemagne (Reply #77)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:06 PM

86. I'll give that a read at my earliest, KC.

Thanks for the link (b'kmarked), and nice talking to you!

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 09:58 AM

36. If African American men are seen as inherently scary

then African American men with guns are seen as inherent immediate threats and will get killed.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 10:13 AM

41. If you study some of the civil rights movement in NC that was done

 

And to good effect.

There is a reason why so many gun control laws have racist roots. Disarming people makes them easier to abuse.

That said, I would rather see more minorities get their concealed carry permits and carry. Two reasons- first here in NC if you are carrying you must identify yourself as a CCW holder who is carrying when you encounter an officer. And officers react almost always positively to this- because a person with a CCW is seen by LE as a "good guy", one who had passed an extensive background check, has no felonies or violent crimes in their past, and who has shown they want to follow the law.

Second, because more minorities with the ability to resist scares the hell out of yeh racists and bigots.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 10:40 AM

42. Open carry is moronic regardless of race

We need to reduce the number of minorities being killed, not throw gas on the fire to make a political point.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 10:58 AM

44. Because there's too strong of a

chance of them being shot on sight if they did? Sad, but true.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 11:39 AM

45. Because cops will kill them on sight

Like the man in Walmart and the little 12 year old boy. The irrational fear of unarmed black men is enough to shoot and kill for these cops let alone armed.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:12 PM

47. You have to ask?

It would be a mass murder. The cops would gun them all down. We all know how that would turn out, VERY badly.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:17 PM

48. Minorities do carry.

Just as whites. Concealed. Which is how you should carry a weapon outside the home. Only the tiniest fraction of people who carry, carry openly. There is no point to it. To suggest that it is race based is silly and demonstrates a lack of knowledge of who has a gun.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:17 PM

49. Are you serious?


Because more black people would die via cops and scared white people with guns.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #49)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 11:04 AM

79. Exactly

Darren Wilson is not the only person who describes the physical appearance of a black man as scary. It is a common response. I remember Obama mentioning that his grandma told him she was afraid to ride the elevator when black men were on it.
"Fear" has become a legitimate reason for shooting someone in self defense. White people (especially those who have limited interactions with minorities) are more likely to fear them. Thus the starting point is a justification for "self defense." Throw a gun in the mix, and another open carrier might be able to tell a jury that he\she was terrified. The result is the cycle of open season on black men is expanded.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:18 PM

50. I wouldn't have a problem with it. I would recommend though........

that there be a GROUP doing the open carry rather than an individual. And I would recommend some sort of military style training for the militia group. Everybody has the right to self-defense and it certainly doesn't seem like they're going to get defended by the cops.

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Response to socialist_n_TN (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:51 PM

54. Oh yeah, one other thing.....

The group of minorities open carrying should wear some sort of "uniform" and that uniform should be widely publicized in the communities where the militia is organized. Exactly like the original Panthers did. I've still got a black beret around here somewhere.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:19 PM

51. Nobody should be allowed to open carry.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 12:23 PM

52. I would encourage anyone to exercise rights.

If done legally, there is no reason anyone should be denied the right to OC.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #52)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 01:14 PM

58. Some here even deny that blacks DO open-carry.

 



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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sat Dec 6, 2014, 01:53 PM

60. I'm not an advocate of any open carry

to me it gives away your biggest advantage - surprise. I would like to see more minorities step up and exercise their 2nd amendment rights. But I think if this is done openly it is best done as a group. One man or woman openly carrying is just a walking target for the loons.

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Response to Runningdawg (Reply #60)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 11:07 AM

80. I agree on the group approach. Community SD is

 

a far thornier question replete with different dangers when compared with individual self-defense. From my view, an identifiable group which is in some significant measure supported by its community may have a positive effect on the powers that be. LEOs can handle a small riot in the park, but not a formal armed presence. They would have to call in the Guard (with little legal justification to do so), or pull off some midnight round-up and then whistle down Broadway like no one in this day & age will ever find out. Then face the consequences of that bald escalation.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 09:39 AM

69. Why? Because they kill the black guys.

How about the poor guy carrying Walmart merchandise - a gun - around the store and they shot him for shopping?

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 10:05 AM

72. It would be nice to see everyone exercise their 2A rights...



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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 10:45 AM

78. You say white trash and hillbillies a lot.

 

Not much on derogatory black name calling. Why is that?

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Response to maced666 (Reply #78)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 03:32 PM

89. attempt to highlight the racial aspect

Poor choice of words maybe, but I've noticed that poor black people are always considered "thugs", even if they become quite successful in life (eg, SL Rams who were derided as from the ghetto after they did the hands up thing). I hear similar every day about various black people, but cannot recall hearing similar sentiments about a white person even though I'm quite aware many poor white people engage in "thuggery".

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 11:25 AM

82. Because minorities tend to be Democrats

And one tenant of the Democratic party is that only RW nutjobs open carry. Ergo, the potential pool of people inclined to open-carry is much smaller.

When the Black Panthers carried openly in California, Governor Ronald Reagan couldn't sign a gun-control bill to stop that fast enough.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 12:12 PM

83. The majority of gun toters are afraid of, or hate, minorities. Also, I think most minorities respect

society to a greater extent than your typical non-minority gun toter. If you look at groups that oppose proliferation of guns in our society, you'll see a lot of minorities, especially moms.

More guns are acquired, sold, fondled and carried in this country because of the owners' fear and hatred of minorities than any other reason. Lax gun laws are enacted for the same reason by the NRA and right wing legislators -- look at Stand Your Ground and similar Zimmerman laws.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 02:08 PM

87. If you think minorities don't carry, you're delusional

 

And as for the whole 'open carry' meme...

How many here have actually seen someone openly carrying a firearm?

Scary internet pictures don't count.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #90)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 03:59 PM

93. I don't think it's white against black

But I think the racial disparities are pretty blatant.

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Response to ArcticFox (Original post)

Sun Dec 7, 2014, 03:42 PM

92. I think the simple answer is obvious - they do not want to die.

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