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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsit is NOT going to be a revolution
people are talking revolution or whatever....be honost
How many here are willing to be killed for the cause?
HOW MANY HERE are willing to take a bullet for the cause?...I would guess not one single person.
Stop the revolution talk if you wont walk it
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Peaceful non-violent revolution can happen.
marym625
(17,997 posts)backwoodsbob
(6,001 posts)I would imagine I am one of no more than a half dozen du'ers who have faced a gun.
It's easy to talk tough online...lets see anyone from DU face down a cop in a street protest
marym625
(17,997 posts)Is that enough for you?
How dare you doubt what I say with such a flippant response.
You asked a question. I answered. You don't like that I am willing to take a bullet for the cause? That's your issue.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I was held at gunpoint for almost 2 days. He shot at me when I saw my chance and ran out of the house. I was positive I was going to be killed either shot on the head or shot in the back.
marym625
(17,997 posts)He never pulled the trigger on me and it was only one night.
I don't think people have a clue how often this happens. Guys mostly
I am so glad you made it out
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Getting shot at was not the worst part. I had very little awareness of feelings because I had shut down but I do remember the incredible jolt of going from abject fear to running and feeling free in that moment even though I was pretty sure I was going to be shot. So I remember that feeling of free being stronger than fear.
Glad we're both here.
marym625
(17,997 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)brave, maybe I can as well.
Maybe you two and myself and about 20 million others can be brave, and do the right thing.
You made my day, you two brave, wonderful fellow human beings. Just when I wanted to give up...
marym625
(17,997 posts)That's very sweet. But it to really isn't bravery. Just have to pick what's important enough to fight for. And then sometimes, you have no choice.
But I appreciate your words. Thank you
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)live. ANd yes, I have also "walked the walk"- with many wonderful DUers on quite a few occasions.
WTF is this OP going on about? This is not the DU I know and love, it's a bullshit denigration of DUers and liberal activists.
sheshe2
(83,637 posts)And no, I did not call for an armed revolution as you can see bettyellen.
Good to see you.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)This shit is RIDICULOUS!
marym625
(17,997 posts)Getting tiring watching all the posts that either denigrate Black Lives Matter or what is being done about it
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I agree probably the vast majority of protesters do not believe they will be shot by a cop but when it happens it will shake the country.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But I am sure that the greater majority know it's a possibility.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)You're seriously underestimating the number of members here "who have faced a gun."
Besides many military combat veterans, we have others who have faced a gun--including DU members who are cops and other security personnel. There also are more than a few Purple Hearts among our members.
And a HELL of a lot of DUers have faced cops in street protests. Look around and you'll see reports from some who were out there TODAY.
I haven't seen calls here for armed revolution. But people are risking arrest and even much worse just by exercising their constitutional rights.
Mbrow
(1,090 posts)Like you said there is a bunch of us. I'm not sure where he is coming from.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)With their having weapons during a counter protest, get me into your club?
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Makes me feel like I have not done nearly enough.
There are few of us, true, but with social media we can grow and with numbers there is
what
anybody
STRENGTH
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)There are many kinds of revolutions, including non-violent ones, several have been in this country, emphasis on political change.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)There are lots of veterans on DU, way more than half a dozen. I can guarantee many, if not most, of them have faced down a gun in a very serious way. Your assumptions are like spitting right in their faces.
Your assumptions about the rest of DU aren't correct either. The disdain you show for the rest of DU is very telling.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But to drop this post, ignore every single reply but mine, call me a liar and just leave that there, makes you a coward in my book. At the very least, egotistical.
No wonder you don't think others are brave.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)Nobody has a clue.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)How about the systematic execution of black males in this country by the police & the immunity to do so at will?
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)Nope, not effective. Sorry. Needs to be a bit broader based and deeper.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Nope, not effective. Sorry. Needs to be a bit broader based and deeper.
If black men, boys, women and girls being executed for petty crimes or in many cases NO crime at all isn't "broad" and "deep" enough for you, then just get out of the way of the large swaths of humanity ALL OVER THE WORLD that do consider it more than "broad" and "deep" enough.
You guys have been in rare form lately.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)You think I like this shit? I don't. My dad is brown and as a result I'm half white, kind of between worlds in a way. Saying it isn't enough is not excusing it, is an affirmation of reality that this singular cause is not what a revolution makes. This bullshit was also always with us, and if a revolution hasn't been formented out of brutal slavery and decades and generations of some of the worst deprivations any civilizations has wrought upon a group then this won't do it either.
Shit fucking sucks, but don't lump me with the racists because I'm not one of those degenerates, thanks.
Number23
(24,544 posts)and the bewildering lack of clue, history and knowledge that leads someone to type:
if a revolution hasn't been formented (sic) out of brutal slavery and decades and generations of some of the worst deprivations any civilizations has wrought upon a group then this won't do it either.
I think we're just about done here.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)Cape Verdean.
And no, this isn't a revolution.
sheshe2
(83,637 posts)I think you are wrong. This is a whole new century and we have the net and the word spreads faster and farther now. Protests are happening and they are spreading and they are not confined to the USA. We are being supported by others around the world and they sure as hell are watching America, the supposed land of the free and the home of the brave. They are watching how we treat our black citizens that are being killed in the streets and the justice in this land has been letting them get away with murder. They are watching.
It is past time to unfuck America and I think we may just have gotten our foot under us and we are rising.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)Lots of others around the world were upset about Iraq, didn't change a damn thing. They were upset about NSA, didn't change a damn thing. They were upset about the excesses of the war on terror, didn't change a thing. They were upset about decades of coups of legitimate governments, didn't change a thing. You think after over a century of brutal oppression and institutional justification of the oppression of blacks that this is going to be the tipping point? At essentially the pinnacle of the militarization of police forces and the world's most sophisticated surveillance apparatus ever? Fucking really? After fucking YEARS of orthodox liberals saying to keep shit in the system and that revolution -OF ANY KIND- was futile? Color me really fucking suspicious of the people screaming for revolution under these circumstances.
This is absurdity and wishful thinking, at best.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)who are children whose only crime was being brown/black isn't enough? That is genuinely priceless, thankfully you don't get the privilege of defining the perimeters.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)And it is fucked up, but there you go.
This will fizzle out in short order, sorry.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)If others had swallowed your false premise that things never change so it's useless to work for change, we'd still have things like white-only lunch counters and segregated drinking fountains and schools.
Thankfully, There were those who didn't subscribe to that view. Who fought for change. And sometimes, they bled and even died for it. They were told it would fizzle out too.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)We are about as segregated as we were before, it is just more insidious. This country is fucked if you aren't white and rich, no way around it.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)So is sniping from the sidelines at those who are working to effect change.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)Segregation is pretty much where it has been at, we are led by economic totalitarians, we have more wealth inequality than arguably ever, automation is about to destroy the labor force and massively benefit the already rich, we have no meaningful opposition in the left, and the right wing has achieved so much domination over the ideological landscape even the open political opposition (Democrats) is right wing.
If you don't think shit is absolutely fucked beyond repair you are goddamn blind.
Cha
(296,775 posts)gwheezie
(3,580 posts)It's happened before
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Revolution can be bloodless.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)It is truly the misunderstanding that causes most to be misunderstood.
But yes, we all have our causes for to die.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)Lex
(34,108 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Kevin from WI
(184 posts)It only took the Republicans in WI a few weeks to bring up "right to work" laws after the election. They have taken control. Wisconsin is dying because of voter apathy. They should just rename the state Kochland.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)the connection, doesnt mean they arent fully pissed about issues and willing to look for change
most people picketing Walmart for being the disgusting pigs they are probably dont vote, for instance
i am just guessing
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Are you kidding me?
All that aside, why not do a "poll"?
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)Whether you fight or not and they kill you just because they can?
At a certain point the abuses can become bad enough that there really is nothing to lose. Are we there yet? I don't think so, but I can follow a trajectory to see that we are on the way. We're already at the point of wanton, rampant, and arbitrary street executions, without recourse or justice.
Will you allow them to enslave and kill you because you're afraid to die? Will you allow them to do so to your brothers, your sisters, your children...?
At some point the human survival instinct flips from cowardice to fortitude in the face of such an onslaught. It may happen quite suddenly.
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)Let poverty, chronic unemployment, lack of educational opportunities and hunger continue to grow. There will be an explosion probably similar to the French Revolution but it will come far, far too late to be at all effective. All the people with all the serious money and assets will be long gone from the USA by then. They'll sit back watching and laugh.
Kevin from WI
(184 posts)I am sad now. Thanks.
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)Now I've depressed myself....
Kevin from WI
(184 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)We had high hopes for a new day in america. Six years later people wake up to the same police/torture/drone state. Seeing little hope and change in the oppression of the state, they dream of another way.
The fantasy is totally ignorant of the power of the police state and quixotic in focus.
sheshe2
(83,637 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)"Real Housewives of Atlanta"
And that black people are fine now because Dr. Dre is a billionaire.
BeJebuss~
There is no accounting for stupid here.
PS~ I don't watch TV so have not seen it, yet I get the picture. Hush child, you don't know what you are talking about. Ssssh, we will 'splain it to you.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)angry, actually.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)But I had copied it to AA already. So, as you can tell, that one is behaving just as he usually does. No surprises.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)helpmetohelpyou
(589 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)guns on me since before I could drive. My son had his first gun drawn on him at the age of 9 for walking on the curb instead of the street by a neighbor who thought he was walking on his grass because it was dark & there weren't sidewalks.
I've deployed twice, have been shot at repeatedly & hit by two IEDs, tased, & pepper sprayed so if it means that I need to stare down the barrel of yet another gun to try & change things for my sons then so be it. This is not a game for many of us, we grew up looking down a barrel of a gun one way or the other. I'm tired of living in fear every time my boys walk out the door.
marym625
(17,997 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)struggle already...cops & guns were a part of life growing up for us, now it's just open season apparently.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But I am white and grew up in an upper middle class town. I recognize it's the norm for people of color.
Evidently, for some, it's easier to deny and act like a blowhard know it all
Texasgal
(17,037 posts)have a to "take a bullet" to help facilitate change?
Are you serious?
marym625
(17,997 posts)People all over the country are willing to take a bullet. Every single protester in Ferguson that was out while cops were shooting tear gas, rubber bullets and real bullets are willing to take one. The protesters that were shot with rubber bullets that returned to the protests are willing to take a bullet.
Alejandro Natividad is willing to take a bullet.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/dramatic-video-shows-man-refusing-lie-police-guns-pointed/#xPY0DEZh4tKHVQRc.99
So, as sheshe2 posted, It's Going to be a fucking revolution! http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025912655
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)But what an incredibly brave soul. He's inspiring.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)They fired rubber bullets?
I heard sandbag rounds, which is bad enough. But can you provide a link to the rubber bullet use?
sheshe2
(83,637 posts)Ferguson Police Reportedly Shot Pastor Renita Lamkin With Rubber Bullet During Protest (PHOTOS)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/ferguson-pastor-shot-police-rubber-bullet_n_5678973.html
marym625
(17,997 posts)A female reverend was hit. A female peaceful protester was shot in the head and hospitalized
http://kdvr.com/2014/08/17/police-in-ferguson-fire-tear-gas-rubber-bullets-on-crowd-including-children/
Not my favorite source but I am tired
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2725548/Howard-University-grad-shot-head-pastor-mediator-blasted-rubber-bullet-Ferguson-demonstrators-reveal-horrors-lethal-force.html
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)You need to elect better leaders who can write better laws. You need to amend the state constitutions concerning prosecutions of police officers.
Part of the problem is also people not understanding the importance of state and local governments. The Republicans are destroying us at this level of government. In Ferguson, 70% turned out for presidential election of Obama in 2012. Do you want to guess what the turnout was for the local election that reelected prosecutor Bob McColloch to a 7th term? 12%.
The federal government can only do so much. The constitution, as well as the states themselves, limit what the federal system can accomplish on its own. The states have autonomous systems of laws and justice. If you allow the Republicans to control these systems because you don't believe in the philosophy of a de-centralized government or too lazy to pay attention, then it's your fault when the next Mike Brown is shot and killed by police and the cop walks.
How many people here even know who their senator is for their state government?
President of the United States is an important election to pay attention to....but it is far from the only one...and ultimately probably not the one that will have the biggest impact on you personally and your community. For most of us, Congress is hundreds of miles away. City hall is right down the street. Yet where do we go to seek change for our local and state problems?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)When adults are incapable of sitting down with each other and working out their problems adding a bunch of bullets is not going to get the job accomplished either, whether it is a war of words or bullets working out the problems is still the best method.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)― Bertrand Russell
on point
(2,506 posts)That's the historical record. When the PTB seize all thé power thé ptb end up seing justice from the mob
Now is the time to return to democracy while peaceful change is still possible
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)that not only is it unlikely people will be willing to die, they are not even willing to ACKNOWLEDGE THE ROLE our own Party played in the MILITARIZATION of the Police.
If you DARE to suggest that part of the Revolution might be to expose the role played by our LEADERS in making Cops untouchable, if you say something as simple as 'it might hurt the feelings of those who support Dem Leaders to point out how guilty they are, how complicit they have been in building this 'occupying force' we call Police, you will be told 'I am tired of you'.
So if people are not tough enough to acknowledge the CAUSES that might necessitate a Revolution because of party loyalty or whatever, how on earth are they going to have the strength it will take to actually participate? Because the very LEADERS they are PROTECTING will send out the MILITARY to take them down.
Hyperbole on the Internet is common. I pay more attention to those I find on social media who actually are out there, facing down the Militarized Cops, than to 'rousing' attention getting, meaningless posts on DU.
marym625
(17,997 posts)But I have. And I was today.
Don't think because people post on the Internet they don't do more than that.
There are quite a few us willing to, and have, called out our own party. Loudly and for a very long time
There are hundreds of thousands of Americans on the streets, daily, trying to cause change. And with few exceptions, we know that arrest is the least of our worries
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)are many more here and elsewhere on the internet who just as sincere. I was referring to people who refuse to acknowledge the role many in our own party have had in both creating the militarized police and worse, sending them out to crush peaceful protesters.
That became obvious during the OWS protests. So many of the mayors who sent out the robo cops who nearly killed some of the protests, were Democrats.
Gov Nixon is a Democrat.
And the provision of military weapons, tanks etc to the police, from Homeland Security, weapons intended for war zones, none of that could happen without the Federal Government approving of it.
I am talking about people who call for Revolution but become angry at anyone who tries to point out the facts about the militarization and brutality of our so-called civilian police.
Sorry if you misunderstood, I definitely was not referring to you at all.
marym625
(17,997 posts)It was the post you replied to, the OP, that caused confusion.
Response to marym625 (Reply #30)
woo me with science This message was self-deleted by its author.
sheshe2
(83,637 posts)On the very pictures of racism at it's worst and white effing privilege?
So only what you say has meaning on the internet, and some of your buddies too that never answer the OP. They only went around giving high-five to each other.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)Which is why those calling this a revolution are fucking absurd.
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)It's mostly likely going to a very fascist type of feudalism -- world-wide -- for the next few generations, at least.
sheshe2
(83,637 posts)A revolution can come in all shapes and forms. I see Ferguson as a tipping point. People are standing up. The world is watching to see what we do about our black men being stalked and killed and the police getting away with murder. Eric Garner was videotaped as he was having the life choked out of him. THERE WAS NO JUSTICE!
You are aware of the massive protests from coast to coast. Some from other parts of the world. The die ins. People are standing up. These have all been peaceful demonstration, the eyes will be on the police and their response.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)(Or pressure corporate politicians for any other actual policy changes to end the police state)
You forgot that caveat. And it appears to be a *really* important one, considering the stunning Third Way vitriolic defensive swarm my even mentioning such expectations elicited on the other thread.
Political protests are designed to get the attention of politicians. If even the idea of demanding actual policy changes is so horrifying to the Third Way that it elicits the type of behavior we saw on the other thread, then, what, exactly *is* the goal of such protests for you? If you refuse to demand changes in the predatory policies that fuel these exploitative and militarized police state communities, then what *do* you hope the politicians who notice these protests will do?
sheshe2
(83,637 posts)Doesn't matter your silence last night was deafening as was your blatant attempt to hijack my thread with your copy and pasted blue links. Same goes with your high-fives and chest bumps with all your buddies last night. Point. It is all about you and what you want and to hell with anyone else. You are a negative poster here and never have a good thing to say, I feel sorry for you. All you got is Third Way, Third Way, Third Way.
Nance sure as hell summed you up perfectly.
We are done here woo.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I saw you asking people if racism and white privilege exist. Of course they do.
Now, what are the goals of these protests? That's not a negative question, sheshe2. Actually, it's a very positive one. If you refuse to demand demilitarization of the police or other changes in policy to to affect the lives of people in Ferguson (and communities like it) what are these political protests supposed to accomplish? What is their goal?
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)for a cause. Even soldiers in wars don't EXPECT they will be killed, although I'm sure they know it's a possibility. I think it's a matter of standing up for a cause. Because as several posters have stated, when you get in the streets, you are already facing the guns of the cops. They might not have them in their hands yet, but they are there. And I think that everybody knows that fact already.
So if you're willing to stand up for a cause, in one sense you're already showing you're ready for the POSSIBILITY of taking a bullet for the cause.
Here's what most people don't realize though. A revolution isn't just about marching and facing down cops and even facing bullets. A revolution is about shutting politics, economics, and society for an extended period of time. Say six weeks are so. And that will be inconvenient and will not necessarily involve facing guns immediately. After about three weeks or so, then the bets are all off.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that any facing off with guns will be a gradual thing, but the first step is proving you're not willing to be satisfied with the status quo anymore.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Doesn't just mean highways
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)of social protests. And that's a good thing because the resistance is beginning to connect the dots between the social issues, including the murder of people of color by the cops, and the systemic problems of capitalism regarding politics and the economy.
I said when #Occupy was broken up that that wouldn't be the last of it and that the next movement would be much more militant. This is shaping up to be what I was expecting from that "next" movement. What's more, I expect even more when the austerity hounds take complete control of state power for the next couple of years.
marym625
(17,997 posts)These leaders are pretty smart.
I agree with what you think will happen. And I think shit is going to get very serious.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)iemitsu
(3,888 posts)change, in the criminal justice system or with respect to wealth inequality or any other issue that citizens find corrupt, then that government doesn't deserve to be in charge. That action de-legitimizes any government and legitimizes any citizen action to reform or replace it with something different.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Response to backwoodsbob (Original post)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
peace13
(11,076 posts)That is how bad things are.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)chrisa
(4,524 posts)The original hyperbole and your response to it make no sense. Do you think that, if you write "The Government Sux!!1!" on the internet, a federal SWAT team will raid your house or something? That's never actually happened to anyone.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Defendant Jaleel Tarik Abdul-Jabbaar, 46, of Kirkland began posting threats on Facebook soon after the shooting of Michael Brown, according to the criminal complaint.
The complaint includes FBI Special Agent Brett Grover saying, "the threats relate to the widely publicized events of Aug. 9 during which Officer D.W. fatally shot Michael Brown."
The complaint does not specifically name then-Officer Darren Wilson as the victim of the threats. It's a policy to withhold the names of victims in such cases, said Emily Langlie, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Seattle.
http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Man-arrested-for-threats-against-Ferguson-officer-284514321.html
chrisa
(4,524 posts)Anyone that posts multiple messages about how he and other people should go somewhere and kill people is both crazy and deserving of arrest. This is a far cry from the government arresting someone for having an opinion. It's against the law to threaten a mass shooting and shooting others.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)agree with the government's decision in this case -- it sounds as though you do -- but Abdul-Jabbaar wrote his opinion "on the internet" and the government has rounded him up.
chrisa
(4,524 posts)It's a death threat. An opinion would be along the lines of "I think that the cops deserve to have bad things happen to them." The difference here is that the guy is saying that he's going to shoot people, and he wants people to come and join him. That's pretty messed up.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)I get that you find that opinion distasteful ("messed up" .
peace13
(11,076 posts)Or ...when Laura * came to town our peace group had our own secret service detail and a local sheriff that stalked us the entire day. If you don't think they knew our names and were documenting you're wrong. With the 'patriot' act you have no rights. You can be searched and detained indefinitely. It can and does happen in our name, around the globe.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)the OP didn't seem concerned with asking a question, more with shutting people down of whose discourse he disapproves.
helpmetohelpyou
(589 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Tsar Nicholas (to name only a few).
Brigid
(17,621 posts)The teacher asked, "On July 4, 1776, who wrote in his diary, 'Nothing of importance happened today.'?"
My best friend, intending to make a joke said, "George III!"
According to the teacher, she was right!
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/12/no-indictment-for-white-cop-who-choked.html
bravenak
(34,648 posts)chrisa
(4,524 posts)masturbatory civil war fantasy that right wing gun nuts cream their pants over all the time (a.k.a "shtf" . There are no sides, and no one has fired a bullet yet (except the cops who caused this mess). Let's talk about a peaceful revolution and social movement, since that seems to be what everyone in America is getting at and is interested in now.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)is that Christmas will get closer and the protests will die down.
I wish that was not the case, but I'd put money on it.
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 6, 2014, 01:42 AM - Edit history (1)
I know a few who have put their ass on the line who are still on DU. Not many
For the most part, this is a place to comfortably discuss/argue the two-party system...not exactly revolutionary. Much like DU did during Occupy. It was easy for the partisans to mock the revolutionaries (from their couch) instead of embracing them & using them as a tool to further the people's agenda.
I have been in the company of revolutionaries & DU has very few of them...trust me.
jillan
(39,451 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)I would take a bullet for a good cause. I am not willing to fire one, but I would take one.
I'd rather not die, so I also keep talking about buying a bullet proof vest and a gas mask, some goggles, and learning other protective measures. I am also not willing to take a bullet if it will serve no purpose at all. So, it has to be part of some organized and fairly widespread effort. I don't think that will happen. However, if it does, I am willing.
But, so much is posted on DU that people have no real intention of doing. So, why are picking on this one thing?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Well don't go stealing any trees this year Mr. Grinch. Taking a bullet for the cause is what Christmas is all about. But now, nope you called it off in spirit.
Everyone go home and the last one out turn off the lights, thanks.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Scr/ew that.
No bullets will be needed.
People have indeed, had enough though.
I'm gonna talk revolution and I'm gonna walk it.
#ItStopsHere #ItStopsNow
deutsey
(20,166 posts)once they've had enough.
Personally, I want change, but I want peaceful change. I don't want to face anyone who has a gun drawn (I've had one pointed at me before during a robbery...not fun); I don't want my children to face anyone with guns, in the street or on a battlefield.
But if the current path of injustice and inequality we're on continues, the one that reduces most of us to wage slaves and combat fodder that exist only to benefit our wealthy overlords, I can't say there won't come day when I say along with others like me, "Fuck it. I've had enough."
To paraphrase Gandhi, though, I'd still rather change a heart than put a bullet in one.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)You have no fucking idea of what other people have done or are willing to do.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)if enough of us do this where we can, as often as we can.
I hope nobody has to die for this cause, but some already have.