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H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:35 PM Dec 2014

Thank you, DU!

As I am preparing for tomorrow morning’s court hearing, I want to again thank all of you who have supported my family and I since the 10-27 shootings. And I speak for my cousin, his daughter, his siblings, nieces and nephews, and his parents. The District Attorney has also asked that I convey his thanks, as well. By 48 hours ago, the public response -- phone calls, letters, and e-mails -- had already been the most that Chenango County has ever received, on any case. And 100% of these provided the same message: no bail for John Guzy.

Anyone here familiar with my rants over the years, knows that I am fascinated by the workings of “systems.” Having said that, I want to briefly note a couple of discussions that I’ve read here recently. They were focused on if the Democratic Underground was fading into insignificance. Now, granted, I am but one cranky old man, and my opinion is of no more value than any other individual’s. But in light of the fact that the DU community stepped up, for no reason other than their beliefs in the need for social justice, and more than tripled the previous record for statements on a legal case in Chenango County …..I think it speaks loudly about just how significant this forum is.

This case is, of course, related to the many others that now infect our culture with hatred, racism, and violence. Guzy is a retired NYC cop, and had indeed just finished a shift as a sheriff’s deputy. In fact, he had left work furious, because he was required to work a 12-hour shift, rather than a regular 8-hour shift. As one of my good friends noted, he was going to kill someone that day, and my cousin and his son were the first people he encountered.

This case is unlike many of the others currently in the news, in that the victims were not black. Yet I can relate to those -- as can my family -- if only from a 1998 incident where a racist hate gang savagely attacked my nephew. This took place in the same town where the shootings occurred. One of the Assistant District Attorneys advocated prosecuting the case as exactly what it was -- attempted murder. Seventeen thugs attacked a high school student, because they were enraged that a brown-skinned youth was getting state-wide press, recognizing him as a top scholar-athlete. They left him for dead in a dark field.

The DA opted to charge the gang leader, who admitted that he had punched and kicked his unconscious victim in the head, at least 12 times, with a misdemeanor. When the ADA introduced testimony that the gang leader had called my nephew a “dumb nigger” (among other things), the (in)Justice of the Peace said -- in open court -- “Well, I don’t believe that indicates that ‘race’ played any role in this.” Then what the heck did it indicate? I remember the disgust I felt for this man, when he rendered his decision -- a $50 fine, for having an open beer at the time of the assault.

When I see people who are outraged by the legal system’s frequent refusal to hold violent criminals responsible for their crimes, I understand it. Oh, yes I do. I would be lying if I said that I didn’t have thoughts about going after the men who inflicted permanent physical damage on my nephew. Non-violence was not my first nature, and those days sorely tested my attempt to live a peaceful life. It would have been easy -- very, very easy, indeed -- to react in a most violent manner.

Even today, I have periods where I wrestle with feelings of hatred for John Guzy, because he seriously wounded my cousin, and killed his son. He did a lot more damage to my family and our friends than “merely” shooting two men. I cannot describe how difficult it is to see my 84-year old aunt, and 86-year old uncle, suffering as a consequence of Guzy’s violent outburst. It would be easy for me to hate, and to feel justified in doing so.

But I will not. For if we are to change these systems that our lives experience daily, we must stop the violence and hatred. We have to rise above that, and identify the higher ground that is found in human potential.

So again, I want to thank each and every one of you who has supported me in recent weeks. It is much appreciated. And, if not before, then I look forward to talking with you tomorrow afternoon.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Thank you, DU! (Original Post) H2O Man Dec 2014 OP
You are in my thoughts (as well, I'm sure in those of most DUers who read this) hlthe2b Dec 2014 #1
Here's to hope that there will be no bail. n/t hootinholler Dec 2014 #2
I hope justice prevails for your family, as it should for every family.. mountain grammy Dec 2014 #3
All we can do.... daleanime Dec 2014 #4
You have my complete support, today and always, my dear H20 Man! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2014 #5
: onecaliberal Dec 2014 #6
I'm hoping for justice and peace for your family. herding cats Dec 2014 #7
I have been H2O Man Dec 2014 #8
Your letters have H2O Man Dec 2014 #9
Please give your Aunt and Uncle... ReRe Dec 2014 #23
Best of luck, H2O Man MissDeeds Dec 2014 #10
Here's hoping for no bail and you get justice for the crime. bearssoapbox Dec 2014 #11
k&r.... spanone Dec 2014 #12
You and your family are in my thoughts often. Thanks for the updates.... Hekate Dec 2014 #13
I'm not a praying woman, but I'm praying for "no bail, Guzy" to be said in court tomorrow dorkzilla Dec 2014 #14
We step up for each other Aerows Dec 2014 #15
in support marions ghost Dec 2014 #16
WE who make up the DU community often WANT to do something dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #17
Thankyou for being able to write about all of this and share it with us. marble falls Dec 2014 #18
And peace to you and yours, H2O Man Iwillnevergiveup Dec 2014 #19
Just like a tree that's standing in the water Generic Other Dec 2014 #20
I just got home H2O Man Dec 2014 #21
My thoughts are with you for no bail tomorrow BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #22
I don't have the first idea of what to say.... renate Dec 2014 #24
All the best to you and yours. riqster Dec 2014 #25
Kindness, Tenderness, Gentleness is what we must practice. All of us. Dont call me Shirley Dec 2014 #26
+1! nt steve2470 Dec 2014 #27
Those of us who refuse to let others dictate our behavior... malthaussen Dec 2014 #28
Keep fighting H2O man. Not that I think you won't. We all must continue fighting rhett o rick Dec 2014 #29
I'm hoping to hear there is justice gwheezie Dec 2014 #30
. libodem Dec 2014 #31

hlthe2b

(103,382 posts)
1. You are in my thoughts (as well, I'm sure in those of most DUers who read this)
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:43 PM
Dec 2014

My best wishes for justice to prevail and whatever might bring some peace, comfort and closure to your family

mountain grammy

(26,886 posts)
3. I hope justice prevails for your family, as it should for every family..
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 03:55 PM
Dec 2014

I have a bad feeling that if your family was African American, the treatment likely would have been more like your 1998 experience and this violent murderer would be out on bail, or worse, not charged at all. After all, he is a cop. Justice is supposed to be blindfolded, but we all know that's a lie.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
4. All we can do....
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 04:12 PM
Dec 2014

is do every thing we can.....And pray we're turning the corner on those kind of situations.

herding cats

(19,577 posts)
7. I'm hoping for justice and peace for your family.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 05:29 PM
Dec 2014

Hopefully the letters will help expedite the process of both.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
8. I have been
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 05:31 PM
Dec 2014

talking to more reporters in the past 36 hours, than I have for a few years. (Except when I did my hunger strike a couple of years back, I've largely been a hermit.) Man! It has been fun to teach my assistant some of the methods that I use to be sure that the exact message I want to get across is communicated. She asked me how I came to learn these things? Years of experience, plus closely studying Minister Malcolm X's ability to come up with solid sound bytes.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
9. Your letters have
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 05:36 PM
Dec 2014

caught the attention of everyone connected to the county's legal system. And that, of course, allows word to spread throughout the various county agencies.

Years ago, when I worked at the mental health clinic, I served as the VP of our union. So we have a lot of folks interested in where all these letters are coming from. They know that I'm involved, and so I assume there will be some new people reading DU.

I think it's outstanding that my aunt and uncle have been reading DU:GD lately. They are FDR Democrats, and at the far left of today's political world.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
23. Please give your Aunt and Uncle...
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:56 AM
Dec 2014

... a hug from another FDR Democrat! And here's one for you.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
10. Best of luck, H2O Man
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 06:03 PM
Dec 2014

I think we're far overdue for some justice in this country. I hope it is bestowed on your family.

bearssoapbox

(1,408 posts)
11. Here's hoping for no bail and you get justice for the crime.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 06:12 PM
Dec 2014

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

Hekate

(92,349 posts)
13. You and your family are in my thoughts often. Thanks for the updates....
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 06:17 PM
Dec 2014

Your words are more powerful than anything I can say. Just keep on.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
14. I'm not a praying woman, but I'm praying for "no bail, Guzy" to be said in court tomorrow
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 06:43 PM
Dec 2014

I've told your story to many family and friends who were all horrified by it, and they're all praying for your family.

There will be a lot of people with you all in spirit tomorrow.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
15. We step up for each other
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 06:47 PM
Dec 2014

because at the end of the day, we love each other. That's the definition of "Community".

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
17. WE who make up the DU community often WANT to do something
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:44 PM
Dec 2014

but it is not until we have a specific project that we can join together and help, as in your case, and of others.

Looking forward to hearing teh results and you know we are here if there is more we can do.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
19. And peace to you and yours, H2O Man
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 10:02 PM
Dec 2014

I have felt all along that in this case at least, justice will rule. Deservedly so.

H2O Man

(74,300 posts)
21. I just got home
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 12:44 AM
Dec 2014

from the second school board meeting of the week.

Sipping a Guinness, and making posters.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
22. My thoughts are with you for no bail tomorrow
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 01:06 AM
Dec 2014

and justice for your family. I wish that for all people. I hope to find a way to make that happen.

renate

(13,776 posts)
24. I don't have the first idea of what to say....
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 05:45 AM
Dec 2014

... you and your family have been through so much. It's AWFUL.

You are incredible. I don't think I could avoid feeling hatred towards the people who have hurt your loved ones, or towards the people who let them get away with it. Every moment that you don't feel hatred is a victory for you and a testament to the kind of person you are (and the kind of person I would like to be).

Thank you for keeping us up to date on your pursuit of justice.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
26. Kindness, Tenderness, Gentleness is what we must practice. All of us.
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 09:57 AM
Dec 2014

h2oman, may your family not experience one more tragedy, you all have had too many.

malthaussen

(17,398 posts)
28. Those of us who refuse to let others dictate our behavior...
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:06 AM
Dec 2014

... sometimes are misunderstood, but I think the rewards of self-control outweigh the penalties. Though sometimes indeed, the difference is mighty slim.

-- Mal

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
29. Keep fighting H2O man. Not that I think you won't. We all must continue fighting
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 11:00 AM
Dec 2014

even if it looks like the odds are against us.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
30. I'm hoping to hear there is justice
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 11:40 AM
Dec 2014

I will be thinking of your family. Your posts on this tragedy have made me exam my own feelings thank you for sharing with us. Let us know if we need to do more.

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