Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:25 PM
WillParkinson (16,852 posts)
Texas approves textbooks with Moses as founding father.
Texas approves textbooks with Moses as Founding Father
November 21, 2014Leave a Comment by: Michael Stone Christian conservatives win, children lose: Texas textbooks will teach public school students that the Founding Fathers based the Constitution on the Bible, and the American system of democracy was inspired by Moses. On Friday the Republican-controlled Texas State Board of Education voted along party lines 10-5 to approve the biased and inaccurate textbooks. The vote signals a victory for Christian conservatives in Texas, and a disappointing defeat for historical accuracy and the education of innocent children. The textbooks were written to align with instructional standards that the Board of Education approved back in 2010 with the explicit intention of forcing social studies teaching to adhere to a conservative Christian agenda. The standards require teachers to emphasize America’s so called “Christian heritage.” http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/11/texas-approves-textbooks-with-moses-as-founding-father/ I hope to hell I've been taken in by a hoax, because this is downright scary.
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WillParkinson | Nov 2014 | OP |
JaneyVee | Nov 2014 | #1 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Nov 2014 | #13 | |
roguevalley | Nov 2014 | #35 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Nov 2014 | #36 | |
roguevalley | Nov 2014 | #37 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Nov 2014 | #44 | |
JDPriestly | Nov 2014 | #23 | |
Louisiana1976 | Nov 2014 | #32 | |
DBoon | Nov 2014 | #54 | |
Orsino | Nov 2014 | #64 | |
yeoman6987 | Nov 2014 | #47 | |
louis-t | Nov 2014 | #2 | |
Dirty Socialist | Nov 2014 | #3 | |
lpbk2713 | Nov 2014 | #4 | |
TheKentuckian | Nov 2014 | #6 | |
kcr | Nov 2014 | #41 | |
ctaylors6 | Nov 2014 | #15 | |
Prophet 451 | Nov 2014 | #17 | |
on point | Nov 2014 | #5 | |
kelliekat44 | Nov 2014 | #7 | |
ScreamingMeemie | Nov 2014 | #8 | |
pnwmom | Nov 2014 | #10 | |
sunnystarr | Nov 2014 | #20 | |
pnwmom | Nov 2014 | #28 | |
PCIntern | Nov 2014 | #74 | |
sunnystarr | Nov 2014 | #75 | |
ScreamingMeemie | Nov 2014 | #59 | |
Tierra_y_Libertad | Nov 2014 | #69 | |
Fuddnik | Nov 2014 | #9 | |
Wella | Nov 2014 | #11 | |
JDPriestly | Nov 2014 | #30 | |
JonLP24 | Nov 2014 | #48 | |
Wella | Nov 2014 | #51 | |
jtuck004 | Nov 2014 | #71 | |
Wella | Nov 2014 | #72 | |
Skittles | Nov 2014 | #12 | |
IDemo | Nov 2014 | #31 | |
Skittles | Nov 2014 | #55 | |
BrotherIvan | Nov 2014 | #49 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Nov 2014 | #14 | |
Warren DeMontague | Nov 2014 | #16 | |
BrotherIvan | Nov 2014 | #50 | |
Kablooie | Nov 2014 | #18 | |
Enthusiast | Nov 2014 | #19 | |
BrotherIvan | Nov 2014 | #52 | |
Enthusiast | Nov 2014 | #57 | |
packman | Nov 2014 | #21 | |
jberryhill | Nov 2014 | #42 | |
JDPriestly | Nov 2014 | #22 | |
heaven05 | Nov 2014 | #24 | |
jalan48 | Nov 2014 | #25 | |
exboyfil | Nov 2014 | #38 | |
Initech | Nov 2014 | #26 | |
LiberalElite | Nov 2014 | #27 | |
longship | Nov 2014 | #29 | |
ashling | Nov 2014 | #33 | |
Trillo | Nov 2014 | #46 | |
joeglow3 | Nov 2014 | #62 | |
ashling | Nov 2014 | #70 | |
joeglow3 | Nov 2014 | #77 | |
ashling | Nov 2014 | #79 | |
Yavin4 | Nov 2014 | #34 | |
exboyfil | Nov 2014 | #40 | |
Auggie | Nov 2014 | #39 | |
gwheezie | Nov 2014 | #43 | |
Rex | Nov 2014 | #45 | |
YOHABLO | Nov 2014 | #53 | |
geomon666 | Nov 2014 | #56 | |
DFW | Nov 2014 | #58 | |
Hoppy | Nov 2014 | #60 | |
aquart | Nov 2014 | #61 | |
Orsino | Nov 2014 | #63 | |
pansypoo53219 | Nov 2014 | #65 | |
KansDem | Nov 2014 | #66 | |
TBF | Nov 2014 | #67 | |
JEB | Nov 2014 | #68 | |
bleedinglib | Nov 2014 | #73 | |
Takket | Nov 2014 | #78 | |
Historic NY | Nov 2014 | #76 | |
muriel_volestrangler | Nov 2014 | #80 |
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:26 PM
JaneyVee (19,877 posts)
1. The collapse of western civilization.
Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:37 PM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
13. No, just ours. nt
Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #13)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:48 PM
roguevalley (40,656 posts)
35. get a court challenge on it. and good luck. I wouldhave to move.
Response to roguevalley (Reply #35)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:56 PM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
36. Unfortunately, because of Texas' size
they set the standard for the rest of the country. Hopefully others states start standing up and demand some sanity, because sanity won't come from here
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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #36)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:58 PM
roguevalley (40,656 posts)
37. you have the best and most deep wishes for good from me then, honey. Hugs.
Response to roguevalley (Reply #37)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:46 PM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
44. I still haven't adjusted to this crazy state
and have lived here 22 years. I want to return to my native Ohio one day, but my grandchildren are here. Ohio can be crazy, too, but at least they have autumn
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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:23 PM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
23. My thought precisely. This is the beginning of the end of the Anglo-American-Australian Empire.
The ignorance and wishful thinking along with military power and the willingness to use military power accompanied by a rejection of learning, science, study, investigation, honesty, realism -- all will result in the deterioration of our society into an opinionated, superstitious and very foolish chaos. That makes a society vulnerable to conquest by others. It's pretty sad.
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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #23)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:35 PM
Louisiana1976 (3,962 posts)
32. True. It'll mean the end of the world as we know it.
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #23)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 01:21 AM
DBoon (21,506 posts)
54. What started with Isaac Newton
Ends with Ted Cruz
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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #23)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:09 PM
Orsino (37,428 posts)
64. Don't suppress with Texas! n/t
Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:22 PM
yeoman6987 (14,449 posts)
47. The article does not match the title
Not a surprise. Very typical actually. It does allow more faulse doom and gloom though.
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:29 PM
louis-t (22,758 posts)
2. Hmm, I wonder if it has the part about the world being a terrible place
until Ronnie Reagan came along and saved us all. Oh wait, that was Huckabee's children's indoctrination book.
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:33 PM
Dirty Socialist (3,121 posts)
3. They must have run out of libraries to burn
N/t
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:40 PM
lpbk2713 (42,334 posts)
4. All I can do is laugh.
![]() ![]() ![]() It won't be long before the enlightened world sees a diploma from any Texas school at any level as worthless. Too bad the children will have to pay for such stupidity. |
Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #4)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:49 PM
TheKentuckian (23,947 posts)
6. Won't just be Texas, they have tremendous influence on textbooks.
Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #6)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:06 PM
kcr (15,246 posts)
41. No way other states put up with that
Never mind once its implemented it will be successfully legally challenged because no way this passes constitutional muster.
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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #4)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:40 PM
ctaylors6 (693 posts)
15. Actually my kids here in TX don't use textbooks
as their primary sources very often except for in their math classes. I think maybe in early elementary years they'd use the social studies and science books a little. And one had a Texas history teacher who relied primarily on the textbook but still supplemented quite a bit.
Edited to add: After polling my kids on this, one told me than in an AP history class they use the book more frequently than in past classes, but it's not a Texas book. |
Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #4)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:45 PM
Prophet 451 (9,796 posts)
17. "I used to be disgusted / but now I'm just amused"
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:46 PM
on point (2,506 posts)
5. Religious fundies working to destroy civilization in yet another arena
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:49 PM
kelliekat44 (7,759 posts)
7. It's all about turning folks against public schools. This will help a lot. nt
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:50 PM
ScreamingMeemie (68,918 posts)
8. Here's the actual story...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-oks-new-history-textbooks-despite-complaints/
This blogger appears to have smooshed together comments by board members into his story. Here is a snippet: "Others brought conflicting testimony about the role of Christianity in our nation's founding. "Moses was a lawgiver as well as a religious leader," said Jonathan Saenz of Texas Vales, while quoting past Supreme Court decisions. "Passages exaggerating the influence of Christianity on this nation's founding still remain in some of the textbooks," countered Zachary Kopplin with Americans United for Separation of Church and State." snip- The Republican-controlled State Board of Education voted along party lines 10-5 Friday, sanctioning most proposed books and electronic lessons. It defeated six books, however, and Houghton Mifflin Harcourt withdrew a high school government textbook. -snip For what it's worth, my son is a high school junior here in Texas (Houston). His textbooks (when they used them — the school has moved on to tablets) were not steeped in Christianity. |
Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #8)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:25 PM
pnwmom (108,393 posts)
10. Don't assume that moving on to tablets means no textbooks.
They might have loaded the textbooks onto the tablets.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #10)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:03 PM
sunnystarr (2,638 posts)
20. omg ... honestly I thought you were talking about these ...
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Response to sunnystarr (Reply #20)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 06:14 PM
PCIntern (24,459 posts)
74. So did I…and
remember Mel Brooks' "These fifteen Commandments..(drops one tablet)…these ten Commandments….)
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Response to PCIntern (Reply #74)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 07:11 PM
sunnystarr (2,638 posts)
75. omg yessssss lol
Response to pnwmom (Reply #10)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:10 PM
ScreamingMeemie (68,918 posts)
59. If I was a parent who "assumed" things, I wouldn't be much of a parent at all.
![]() Don't assume I'm not paying attention to what my kid is doing in school. No, they are not accessing and downloading textbooks. If you read the entire article, it speaks of what you are talking about. I'd be pretty damned stupid not to realize that. |
Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #8)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:09 PM
Tierra_y_Libertad (50,414 posts)
69. "The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity..
"The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity..and upwards of 10,000 lies." Mark Twain
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:22 PM
Fuddnik (8,846 posts)
9. The stoopid never stops.
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:29 PM
Wella (1,827 posts)
11. The title is a little misleading: the district is teaching that the Constitution was based on
Biblical inspiration, not that Moses was a literal "founding father."
I hate when blog writers use these inflammatory and inaccurate headlines. I guess that's how they make their money. That being said, it is inaccurate to say that Biblical law was the model for the Constitution. The American governmental structure was designed based on the writings of Enlightenment writers, including John Locke and Montesquieu. The founders may have depended on religion to civilize the populace, but they did not take their ideas on government from any particular church or from the Bible. Texas is trying to save Christianity by glomming it on to something that it did not influence very much at all. |
Response to Wella (Reply #11)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:31 PM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
30. Thank you. Great post. Simply said and accurate.
Response to Wella (Reply #11)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:28 PM
JonLP24 (29,322 posts)
48. Headline titles are more of an art
Journalists in general do this. How do you get readers? By the title.
For example I remember a title "Tiger Woods pulls out iPhone on course, causes stir" -- It was really a minor story but with his "racy texts" the article mentions it gives a perception of something far more interesting than it actually is. "He was helping me with my putting," Mark O'Meara, another former Masters champion, said. "I had a loop in my putting stroke. He wanted to film my putting stroke." Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/tiger-woods-pulls-out-iphone-on-course-causes-stir-1.499387#ixzz3JqoRe6Jg |
Response to JonLP24 (Reply #48)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:09 AM
Wella (1,827 posts)
51. I get it. Was it Jon Stewart who had something on the creation of blog titles?
The writers spent more time on a catchy title than content.
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Response to Wella (Reply #51)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 05:05 PM
jtuck004 (15,882 posts)
71. " The writers spent more time on a catchy title than content." < Much like this post. n/t
Response to jtuck004 (Reply #71)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 05:33 PM
Wella (1,827 posts)
72. I'm not writing a blog or a news story; nor am I writing a title to misrepresent facts
Your analogy doesn't work.
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:30 PM
Skittles (151,395 posts)
12. it's not like you can make people here that much more stupid
Response to Skittles (Reply #12)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:35 PM
IDemo (16,926 posts)
31. Don't misunderestimate them n/t
Response to IDemo (Reply #31)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:11 AM
Skittles (151,395 posts)
55. the progressives, no
everyone else, hoo boy and HOWDY
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Response to Skittles (Reply #12)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:08 AM
BrotherIvan (9,126 posts)
49. +1
I've got to go to Europe shortly and deal with the usual "stupid American" bias that the rest of the world has. Well founded in some ways as we are so backward from the rest of the first world. Sigh. When people ask if I'm American, I just say "I'm from California." That helps. Sigh.
And California is going to fix this textbook shit right quick, so I don't really worry about it. |
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:38 PM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
14. Next we are going to hear how Moses...
divided the Grand Canyon to escape the Egyptians.
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:40 PM
Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)
16. Oh, sure, I bet you think George Washington crossed the Delaware all by himself?
CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS
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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #16)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:09 AM
BrotherIvan (9,126 posts)
50. ...
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:49 PM
Kablooie (18,334 posts)
18. From the WSJ article:
Students also are required to learn that America's founding documents were influenced by various intellectual traditions, "especially biblical law," and principles laid down by Moses.
So you aren't being taken in but he isn't defined precisely as a Founding Father. |
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:59 PM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
19. Christian conservatives are a load of sick fucks.
They just are.
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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #19)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:12 AM
BrotherIvan (9,126 posts)
52. Read "The Authoritarians" if you're interested
Explains how they are made. It perfectly explains how seemingly nice people can have these extremely bizarre beliefs. I think it's important that we all understand that conservatives are in fact being *purposely* manufactured. And then come up with ways to deal with it (I have a theory).
http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf |
Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #52)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 05:34 AM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
57. Thanks. I copied the link into my links folder.
I think there are quite enough conservatives as it is without them being purposely manufactured.
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:03 PM
packman (16,296 posts)
21. I knew it was Moses
And here he is holding the first 10 admendments to the Constitution- what further proof do we need?
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Response to packman (Reply #21)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:07 PM
jberryhill (62,444 posts)
42. Except the First Amendment and the First Commandment say two opposite things
I can never figure out this "Biblical Constitution" stuff given the outright contradiction between: Commandment 1: You will only worship one God. Amendment 1: You can worship whatever gods you want. |
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:17 PM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
22. Some of our Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves.
Thomas Jefferson for one.
Wow! How is it that a bunch of historical illiterates get to approve history textbooks? I would advise them to read the correspondence between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson as it pertains to religion. |
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:23 PM
heaven05 (18,124 posts)
24. what???!!!!
they are crazy.
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:23 PM
jalan48 (13,692 posts)
25. Revisionism
Joseph Stalin would be proud.
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Response to jalan48 (Reply #25)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:59 PM
exboyfil (17,737 posts)
38. I was thinking George Orwell myself
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:25 PM
Initech (98,648 posts)
26. Fuck it, I give up. If this is true, we'Re seriously in Idiocracy territory now.
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:25 PM
LiberalElite (14,691 posts)
27. It's not only the children losing nt
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:27 PM
longship (40,416 posts)
29. I heard it on great authority that their were fifteen commandments.
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:38 PM
ashling (25,771 posts)
33. I teach these kids in community college in Texas
way too many of them already think that way.
I had a student a few years back write that she felt that the constitution was divinely inspired in what was supposed to be an essay comparing the constitutional interpretation of Scalia vs. that of a sane person. The paper went on to say that the Hebrews would never have questioned what god meant in the ten commandments -- then she went on to write them all in her paper. They would hve just accepted them like god put them in the bible - King James Version, of course. I kid you not she used only two sources: the text book (reluctantly I assume) and some book by a preacher fro Azle, Tx (I don't remember whether or not it was "Dr." and self proclaimed historian David Barton.) Then there is the paper I assigned on government regulation that was entitled "Government Regulation: a.k.a., socialism" Don't get me wrong, I have some really great students who are eager to learn. Sometimes they don't know they are eager to learn until somebody tries to facilitate their learning rather than shoving FOX and Founding Father Moses down their throats. Now it's just going to be tougher, |
Response to ashling (Reply #33)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:10 PM
Trillo (9,154 posts)
46. You're misunderstanding this. It's a boon for education.
By intentionally miseducating kids in earlier grades, there are more opportunities for re-educating later. It helps keep you employed!
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Response to ashling (Reply #33)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:47 PM
joeglow3 (6,228 posts)
62. You are a teacher
And have an assignment to "compare the writings of Scalia with a sane person"?
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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #62)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:45 PM
ashling (25,771 posts)
70. Actually, the assignment was to compare the method's of
constitutional interpretation employed by Justices Scalia and Breyer.
I did not think it was necessary to point out the obvious sarcasm |
Response to ashling (Reply #70)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:49 PM
joeglow3 (6,228 posts)
77. I hate it when teachers interject their personal views into the classroom.
Makes me think back to the RW bullshit I had to deal with in two college accounting courses I took.
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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #77)
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 02:31 AM
ashling (25,771 posts)
79. The sarcasm was for this site ONLY
The assignment presented to the class had no sarcasm and no personal opinion directed.
However, it is possible to present opinion if it is done fairly. |
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:39 PM
Yavin4 (34,702 posts)
34. Moses freed slaves, and if the constitution is based on Moses
then why did slavery persist after the ratification of the constitution. Doesn't the existence of slavery mean that the constitution was not influenced by Moses???
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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #34)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:06 PM
exboyfil (17,737 posts)
40. Don't you know only Jewish slaves need to be freed
All the others just take their chances. Here is a humorous animation about the situation:
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:02 PM
Auggie (30,558 posts)
39. "Why do we always have to be the stupid country?" -- Bill Maher
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:09 PM
gwheezie (3,580 posts)
43. The biblitution shrugged
The rightwing fundie loons conflated the bible, constitution and atlas shrugged. Jesus galt preached in his sermon on the mount of money "don't ask me for help"
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:52 PM
Rex (65,616 posts)
45. Wait...Moses didn't help defeat the German horde at Hidden Valley Fort?
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 12:24 AM
YOHABLO (7,358 posts)
53. As liberal elites sit back and laugh, they refuse to understand how dangerous this has become
It's Unconstitutional and I hope Americans United for the Separation of Church and State sue. If Texas wants to become a Christian State, than let them secede from the Union.
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:20 AM
geomon666 (7,512 posts)
56. Bunch of sick fucks.
They don't even read their own book yet want to force it on the rest of us.
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 05:57 AM
DFW (52,353 posts)
58. Our textbooks are now being vetted by the people who cried when they heard there is no Santa Claus
They are trying to make sure that our children swallow their adult fairy tale.
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:31 PM
Hoppy (3,595 posts)
60. Maybe an A.C.L.U. or F.F.R. case.
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 02:42 PM
aquart (69,014 posts)
61. Dear God, do they believe Texas is the Promised Land?
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:05 PM
Orsino (37,428 posts)
63. I wonder which countries our scientists will flee to? n/t
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:23 PM
pansypoo53219 (20,413 posts)
65. thank god texass no longer has a strangle hold on all textbooks.
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 03:39 PM
KansDem (28,498 posts)
66. Okay, so Moses is the "Founding Father"...
What about Larry and Curly?
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:03 PM
TBF (31,869 posts)
67. My daughter and I talk
a lot about her going to Europe for college ... trying to get her to learn German! I should buy tapes and do it with her.
I would hate for my kids to be so far away but she's the oldest w/a lot of motivation. Texas is not the place for her and I want her to get out and have a chance. |
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 04:05 PM
JEB (4,748 posts)
68. Moses Malone?
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 06:07 PM
bleedinglib (212 posts)
73. Question?
Didn't Ronnie write the constitution?? after he came down from the mountain ?
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Response to bleedinglib (Reply #73)
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 12:05 AM
Takket (20,362 posts)
78. The appropriate term is he "trickled" down from the mountain.
Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 07:23 PM
Historic NY (37,064 posts)
76. Moses....
was he here in 1776?
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Response to WillParkinson (Original post)
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 07:29 AM
muriel_volestrangler (100,086 posts)
80. It's worrying that they mention a mythical figure as having any influence at all
and a travesty of history to give more ancient influence on the Enlightenment ideas that did produce the USA to Israelites rather than the Roman Republic. But that all comes from the influence of religion - they think their religion must be what produced their country, despite the long association, both in the Old Testament and in European 'Christendom', of kings with the biblical religions.
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