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Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:41 AM

Hagan won the exit polls. How did she lose the race?

Exit polls used to be a very precise method to ensure that elections weren't stolen. Not anymore. That stopped when electronic voting was implemented.

This race was stolen.

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Reply Hagan won the exit polls. How did she lose the race? (Original post)
FourScore Nov 2014 OP
shenmue Nov 2014 #1
Recursion Nov 2014 #12
marions ghost Nov 2014 #14
maced666 Nov 2014 #23
marions ghost Nov 2014 #25
Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #2
GoCubsGo Nov 2014 #4
dflprincess Nov 2014 #3
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2014 #5
marions ghost Nov 2014 #17
libtodeath Nov 2014 #6
KatyB2U Nov 2014 #22
cilla4progress Nov 2014 #7
southerncrone Nov 2014 #8
roamer65 Nov 2014 #9
brooklynite Nov 2014 #10
FourScore Nov 2014 #16
brooklynite Nov 2014 #18
FourScore Nov 2014 #21
AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #20
J_J_ Nov 2014 #28
mwooldri Nov 2014 #11
customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #26
Recursion Nov 2014 #13
LittleBlue Nov 2014 #15
roamer65 Nov 2014 #19
maced666 Nov 2014 #24
SoCalDem Nov 2014 #27
Calista241 Nov 2014 #29
J_J_ Nov 2014 #30

Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:43 AM

1. Diebold

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Response to shenmue (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:54 AM

12. Diebold hasn't owned any voting machines in 6 years (nt)

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Response to Recursion (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:57 AM

14. same trash

whether you want to call it Diebold or not.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:11 AM

23. Oh, that's proof.

 

Not.

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Response to maced666 (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:13 AM

25. what's your point?

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:43 AM

2. Flippity-Floppity diebold machines

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:44 AM

3. And exit polls are considered so accurate that the U.S. has

accused other countries of election fraud when the outcomes don't match the polls.

Strange how they haven't worked here since 2000.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:45 AM

5. Note to Dems - don't get too close to let them get away with cheating. nt

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:59 AM

17. A tired adage

--you can only do so much to try to overwhelm with numbers.

Think about it--why should we have to? Why should we COUNT on having to overcome election manipulation and suppression?

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:46 AM

6. Same with Georgia

was neck and neck but suddenly a repuke blowout.
Bullshit.

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:10 AM

22. All the machines in GA are touch screen

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:47 AM

7. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

I came to DU in 2004 when Kerry won the exit polls and lost the election.

Would you put it past them? I wouldn't.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:51 AM

8. And how many more were using the same tactic?

This is a little too over the top in the RED category all across the country. As I stated on another thread, the country has steadily become more & more RED since the advent of these riggable devices. Up until just a few wks ago, we kept hearing how the Repuke party was on life support & on the way out! These results tonite just don't jibe w/that. Is there any other explanation that justifies these incongruent results?

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:51 AM

9. Because of electoral fraud.

That one was stolen.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:53 AM

10. UNREC

The only thing worse than conspiracy theories are lazy ones. Exit polls are POLLS; they're not a gold standard of actual votes.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:57 AM

16. Vote flipping on the machines was reported very early in NC.

I have 2 friends who head the computer science dept at a major ivy league university. They shake their heads with dismay that these machines are used. They are much too easily manipulated.

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Response to FourScore (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:02 AM

18. Vote flipping where the result was displayed on the screen....

...do you seriously believe a vote rigging conspiracy couldn't achieve the same thing without showing it.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:08 AM

21. I'm too tired to argue with you, brooklynite.

I find your stance naive, you find mine a "conspiracy theory". Whatever.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:03 AM

20. Actually it is the gold standard.

 

It's the standard by which we monitor other countries for election fraud.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:35 AM

28. +100000

 

n/t

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:53 AM

11. I don't trust exit polls - not since 1992.

1992 UK general election.... projected Labour win, actual result was a Conservative hold. Paper ballots, so no electronic flip flopping going on.

So for Hagan to win the exit poll but not the election itself doesn't surprise me.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:23 AM

26. Me, either

Exit polls have margins of error, but they never tell us what they are, like they do with ordinary pre-election polls. They're a guess (educated, perhaps) about what will happen, and sometimes they just don't predict results with 100% accuracy.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:54 AM

13. Ergodicity

It's the problem with any sample technique like polling.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 12:57 AM

15. Exit polls aren't as useful in razor thin elections.

 

There is a reason they are used to confirm non-competitive races and not close ones. The results are probably well within the margin of error

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:03 AM

19. These elections need to be on auditable paper ballots.

Otherwise they will always have credibility problems.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:12 AM

24. To the streets!

 

Taking it to the streets....

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:35 AM

27. because exit polls are not valid

and people can say (and do say) things that may not be true

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 01:42 AM

29. Exit polls would work if the electorate was a nice vanilla, homogenous body.

But it isn't. And 2% of North Carolina's voting population is less than 20,000 votes. The problems come when exit polls are 35%+ out of whack.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 11:34 AM

30. kick

 

n/t

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