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In making the legal case against Obamacares individual mandate, challengers have argued that the framers of our Constitution would certainly have found such a measure to be unconstitutional. Nevermind that nothing in the text or history of the Constitutions Commerce Clause indicates that Congress cannot mandate commercial purchases. The framers, challengers have claimed, thought a constitutional ban on purchase mandates was too obvious to mention. Their core basis for this claim is that purchase mandates are unprecedented, which they say would not be the case if it was understood this power existed.
But theres a major problem with this line of argument: It just isnt true. The founding fathers, it turns out, passed several mandates of their own. In 1790, the very first Congresswhich incidentally included 20 framerspassed a law that included a mandate: namely, a requirement that ship owners buy medical insurance for their seamen. This law was then signed by another framer: President George Washington. Thats right, the father of our country had no difficulty imposing a health insurance mandate.
<snip> more interesting read at link http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/102620/individual-mandate-history-affordable-care-act
Will the Freeperheads explode over this?
gordianot
(15,233 posts)In the same article there was a mandate for all able bodied men to buy firearms and also signed by George Washington.
Ahh ya right they will only zero in on this and ignore the medical mandate.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)The commitment to promote the general welfare of all persons, as opposed to protecting the interests of a narrow section or class of the population, encapsulates what is most unique about the United States of America--that it is the only modern nation-state republic founded on this principle.
My god, that from Lyndon LaRouche .
Lyndon LaRouche makes more sense than teabaggers?
Will wonders ever cease!
elleng
(130,732 posts)as is interstate commerce.
wandy
(3,539 posts)Other than 'provide for the common defense' basically taken to mean banding together and bashing other neighboring tribes; for what other reason than 'providing for the common good' do nation states exist?
In a feudal kingdom their is no need to provide the peasants with other than wepons, allowing them to 'bash' neighboring tribes.
Let them eat cake. All that matters is that we can subdue our enemies.
Sometimes I have my doubts, sometimes we sure don't act that way, but hopefully we are beyond that.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)insurance for their employees, not a mandate for individuals to purchase insurance for themselves.
yewberry
(6,530 posts)that required them to have insurance to cover hospital stays, as the employer-provided coverage didn't.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)Clinton's Health Care Bill was to mandate business to provide insurance for all employees and Republicans were repelled by that notion so they came up with the individual mandate instead.. It was a main reason Clinton's bill was defeated.....It was the inspiration for the Health Insurance Bill Romney signed into law in Mass. One thing I have learned about Republicans over the last couple of decades is they don't really have any core values.. They will change on a dime if it suits them at the moment..
SunsetDreams
(8,571 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)It's specious.
The only thing in that article that's genuinely germane to the situation is the 1792 statute requiring able-bodied men to purchase firearms. That's it.
That was never federally enforced.
Virginia v. Sebelius is specifically about whether individuals can be compelled to actively participate in interstate commerce when they might not have participated in it at all. I'm not even sure the presumption of whether healthcare of an uninsured person defacto translates into interstate commerce has been settled.
I think professor Elhauge is stretching the point into a generality to make his case to a public audience when such a thing would have been drummed out of a presentation to the Court.
PB
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)conservative professor that supports the mandate of the ACA?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101499164
Conservative Scholar: Supreme Court Should Uphold Obamacare
"Yet another prominent conservative legal scholar has stepped forward to urge the Supreme Court to uphold health care reform as firmly within the court's precedents."
In a column published on The New Republic's website, Henry Paul Monaghan, a professor of constitutional law at Columbia Law School, applauded the Supreme Court's conservative justices for their aggressive questioning of Solicitor General Donald Verrilli during oral arguments three weeks ago, but went on to "submit that sustaining the mandate would not give rise to the justices' fears of boundless federal authority."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/16/supreme-court-health-care-henry-paul-monaghan_n_1429228.html#TID=17obfn30g8tgqi&TData=100020
In 1985, Monaghan wrote a widely read and cited essay called "Our Perfect Constitution" that was critical of activist judges who used the document to justify expansions of individual rights. In 1986, he testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee on behalf of Robert Bork, the arch conservative that former President Reagan tried (and failed) to place on the Court. In the fall of 2010, Monaghan defended the Court's decision in the Citizens United case, which overturned part of the McCain-Feingold campaign law.
If he does, I don't understand how they square their logic, if corporations' unlimited spending on issues are a protected First Amendment Right based on the belief that "money is speech," how can they force/mandate the people to financially support a private for profit industry diametrically opposed to those same peoples' best interests.
No doubt the private for profit "health" insurance industry will use some of their profits from these mandated premiums to contribute to sympathetic political candidates, or lobby/bribe future Congresses to weaken the law's good points that protect the people and create terms more favorable to the for profit "health" insurance industry.
It seems to me if you're operating under the belief that "money is speech" compelling the people to financially support a private for profit industry opposed to their best interests abridges their freedom of speech.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
UJ
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)..."speech" angle or how others might view it or tie everything in, if it can be tied in...like some "grand unified theory" of a political stance.
PB
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)this dynamic should the mandate stand definitely promotes the further advancement of corporate supremacy over the people.
Corporations have 1st Amendment Rights and the people don't, it's all downhill from there.
That's why I'm curious as to whether the conservative professor on this OP also supported Citizens United.
If he did that would be two professors coming out within days apart supporting freedom of speech for corporations but not the people.
UJ
girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)The men were only required to procure firearms, which means they could have been handed down or even borrowed.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)progressoid
(49,945 posts)would you also then support a law requiring all Americans to buy a gun?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)How many people will twist into pretzel shapes in arguing FOR the healthcare precedent and AGAINST the firearms purchase precedent?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)He did not. And I am not saying he is wrong but really, source please. There's no footnotes. No links. Nothing.