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Tue Apr 17, 2012, 01:47 PM

"CURVEBALL" .."Man whose WMD Lies Led to 100,000 Deaths Confesses All"

Man whose WMD lies led to 100,000 deaths confesses all

Defector tells how US officials 'sexed up' his fictions to make the case for 2003 invasion


Jonathan Owen
Sunday, 1 April 2012

A man whose lies helped to make the case for invading Iraq starting a nine-year war costing more than 100,000 lives and hundreds of billions of pounds will come clean in his first British television interview tomorrow.



"Curveball", the Iraqi defector who fabricated claims about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, smiles as he confirms how he made the whole thing up. It was a confidence trick that changed the course of history, with Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi's lies used to justify the Iraq war.

He tries to defend his actions: "My main purpose was to topple the tyrant in Iraq because the longer this dictator remains in power, the more the Iraqi people will suffer from this regime's oppression."

The chemical engineer claimed to have overseen the building of a mobile biological laboratory when he sought political asylum in Germany in 1999. His lies were presented as "facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence" by Colin Powell, US Secretary of State, when making the case for war at the UN Security Council in February 2003.

But Mr Janabi, speaking in a two-part series, Modern Spies, starting tomorrow on BBC2, says none of it was true. When it is put to him "we went to war in Iraq on a lie. And that lie was your lie", he simply replies: "Yes."

US officials "sexed up" Mr Janabi's drawings of mobile biological weapons labs to make them more presentable, admits Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, General Powell's former chief of staff. "I brought the White House team in to do the graphics," he says, adding how "intelligence was being worked to fit around the policy".

As for his former boss: "I don't see any way on this earth that Secretary Powell doesn't feel almost a rage about Curveball and the way he was used in regards to that intelligence."

More at:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/man-whose-wmd-lies-led-to-100000-deaths-confesses-all-7606236.html

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Reply "CURVEBALL" .."Man whose WMD Lies Led to 100,000 Deaths Confesses All" (Original post)
KoKo Apr 2012 OP
DefenseLawyer Apr 2012 #1
HiPointDem Apr 2012 #6
pacalo Apr 2012 #36
Turbineguy Apr 2012 #2
Octafish Apr 2012 #3
KoKo Apr 2012 #14
Octafish Apr 2012 #41
Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2012 #26
KoKo Apr 2012 #28
Octafish Apr 2012 #42
newspeak Apr 2012 #43
Octafish Apr 2012 #47
Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2012 #49
Rex Apr 2012 #4
get the red out Apr 2012 #15
MADem Apr 2012 #22
get the red out Apr 2012 #39
newspeak Apr 2012 #44
get the red out Apr 2012 #45
Rex Apr 2012 #24
spanone Apr 2012 #5
ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2012 #7
unblock Apr 2012 #8
Art_from_Ark Apr 2012 #33
intaglio Apr 2012 #9
Baitball Blogger Apr 2012 #10
malaise Apr 2012 #11
Warpy Apr 2012 #12
gratuitous Apr 2012 #13
get the red out Apr 2012 #16
gratuitous Apr 2012 #17
lsewpershad Apr 2012 #18
felix_numinous Apr 2012 #19
Daniel537 Apr 2012 #20
Art_from_Ark Apr 2012 #34
Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #21
Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #23
KoKo Apr 2012 #25
Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2012 #27
Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #31
whatchamacallit Apr 2012 #29
Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #32
WCGreen Apr 2012 #30
pacalo Apr 2012 #35
WCGreen Apr 2012 #37
Selatius Apr 2012 #38
RainDog Apr 2012 #40
wiggs Apr 2012 #46
Royal Sloan 09 Apr 2012 #48
underpants Apr 2012 #50
90-percent Apr 2012 #51

Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 01:50 PM

1. If it hadn't been him there were 100 more in line behind him.

 

Anyone who actually believes that those war criminals were "tricked" by this guy is a fool of epic proportions.

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 01:55 PM

6. +1. He could very well be being paid to take them off the hook, too.

 

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Response to DefenseLawyer (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 01:57 AM

36. He was strictly a tool for bolstering Dimson's/Shooter's reason to attack Iraq.

He might still be a tool. I'll take what he says with a grain of salt & lots of skepticism.

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 01:50 PM

2. Curveball?

Kinda goes nicely with "baseball bat"!

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 01:53 PM

3. ''We went to war in Iraq on a lie. And that lie was your lie.''

"Yes."

So, why aren't the fearless warmongers Smirko, Sneer and the Poodle in jail?

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 02:22 PM

14. Remember Ahmed Chalabi....Curveball?

Invasion of Iraq

Ahmed Chalabi alongside US President George W. Bush and Jalal Talabani

Before the war, the CIA was largely skeptical of Chalabi and the INC, but information allegedly from his group (most famously from a defector codenamed "Curveball" made its way into intelligence dossiers used by President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair to justify an invasion of Iraq. "Curveball" allegedly the brother of one of Chalabi's top lieutenants fed officials hundreds of pages of bogus "firsthand" descriptions of mobile biological weapons factories on wheels and rails. Secretary of State Colin Powell later used this information in a U.N. presentation trying to garner support for the war, despite warnings from German intelligence that "Curveball" was fabricating claims. Since then, the CIA has admitted that the defector made up the story, and Powell apologized for using the information in his speech. A later congressionally appointed investigation (Robb-Silberman) concluded that Curveball had no relation whatsoever to the INC, and that press reports linking Curveball to the INC were erroneous.[15]

The INC often worked with the media, most notably with Judith Miller, concerning her WMD stories for The New York Times starting on February 26, 1998.[16] After the war, given the lack of discovery of WMDs, most of the WMD claims of the INC were shown to have been either misleading, exaggerated, or completely made up while INC information about the whereabouts of Saddam Hussein's loyalists and Chalabi's personal enemies were accurate. Another of Chalabi's advocates was American Enterprise Institute's Iraq specialist Danielle Pletka. Chalabi received advice on media and television presentation techniques from the Irish scriptwriter and commentator Eoghan Harris prior to the invasion of Iraq.[17]
Chalabi in discussion with Paul Bremer and US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld


As U.S. forces took control during the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, Chalabi returned under their aegis and was given a position on the Iraq interim governing council by the Coalition Provisional Authority. He served as president of the council in September 2003. He denounced a plan to let the UN choose an interim government for Iraq. "We are grateful to President Bush for liberating Iraq, but it is time for the Iraqi people to run their affairs," he was quoted as saying in The New York Times.[18]

In August 2003, Chalabi was the only candidate whose unfavorable ratings exceeded his favorable ones with Iraqis in a State Department poll.[19] In a survey of nearly 3,000 Iraqis in February 2004 (by Oxford Research International, sponsored by the BBC in the United Kingdom, ABC in the U.S., ARD of Germany, and the NHK in Japan), only 0.2 percent of respondents said he was the most trustworthy leader in Iraq (see survey link below, question #13). A secret document written in 2002 by the British Overseas and Defence Secretariat reportedly described Chalabi as "a convicted fraudster popular on Capitol Hill."[20]

In response to the WMD controversy, Chalabi told London's Daily Telegraph in February 2004, "We are heroes in error. As far as we're concerned, we've been entirely successful. That tyrant Saddam is gone and the Americans are in Baghdad. What was said before is not important. The Bush administration is looking for a scapegoat."[21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Chalabi

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Response to KoKo (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:12 AM

41. ''We are heroes in error.'' -- Ahmed Chalabi, interim oil minister of NewIraq 4.3.



PS: Love the smile on the warmonkey. It almost makes me happy to know he was so happy at what he has done.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 07:41 PM

26. I think there needs to be some indictments

all the people responsible for this should be imprisoned forthwith.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #26)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:07 PM

28. Given the slight interest in this on this Democratic site...I wouldn't hold my breath....

I think this drops like a stone. Why BBC is doing this...I don't know. Makes no sense with Cameron in there and Blair before him part of it.

But, it was nice to see the headline. It will all be forgotten by this time tomorrow...Actually it is now. It's seen as "Old News."

The Wars are "Old News" and few care, anymore. We are used to them.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:22 AM

42. That is my express rationale for continuing to bring these inconvenient truths up for discussion.

What makes me sad is how bi-partisan the interest in moving on from the greatest treason in the history of the United States is.

PS: Were I the same being, reading it on a history iPad a 200 years from now, I wouldn't believe it.

PPS: While the links may be down by then, for those still interested or may give a damn a couple of centuries hence:

Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) Made Phony Case for War

Know your BFEE: War and Oil are just two longtime Main Lines of Business

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Response to Octafish (Reply #42)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:35 AM

43. right, uh uh.

so, little boots and his cohorts weren't salivating after 9/11, attempting to connect iraq with that tragedy. I remember reading at the time that a person (rumsfeld?) after 9/11, saying how can we connect iraq? And how about darth cheney's visits to the CIA, numerous times? They wanted that war with iraq, no matter how it harmed our soldiers or innocent civilians. Cheney's company halliburton wasn't doing too well until after these cretins were selected.

The harm they did to this country and its' people so that their friends could further their investment portfolios while our infrastructure deteriorated (so they can eventually sell us to the highest bidder) shows that these cretins use patriotism for their own devises. These chickenshitehawks would not sacrifice one hair on their heads for their country; but have expected other americans to sacrifice.

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Response to newspeak (Reply #43)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 11:28 AM

47. Yeah. I noticed that, too.

It was surreal when the warmonkey hisself brought it up:

Know your BFEE: Money Trumps Peace.

It's like a family tradition.

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

But students of history were on to his gangster ass, from the 9-11 get-go.

Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

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Response to Octafish (Reply #42)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 06:14 PM

49. These people manipulate for their own greed

No one seems to be able to stop them

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 01:53 PM

4. Sexed up huh...is that the same as 'fucking lied through their teeth?'

 

I don't care if it was Satan that told Dick Cheney there were WMDs...doesn't matter, Satan was wrong and now the entire WORLD knows that George Walker Bush sent our military professionals into harms way based on known LIES. Which is a crime, but since we live in a plutocracy he will get away with one of the biggest crimes against America in contemporary times.

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Response to Rex (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 02:27 PM

15. I can't get it out of my head

The speech Bush made where he poked fun and acted like he was looking for WMDs. OMG! He really thought the whole shell game was hilarious.

And we will be told to just shut up about it, old news, the media has new stuff to discuss like some obscure journalist daring to say something negative about poor Anne Romney being a "homemaker".

Our country is surreal.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 04:11 PM

22. That was a "joke" he did at one of the DC dinners--correspondents, or one similar.

It accompanied a video presentation.

It was despicable, certainly, but it wasn't a serious speech. It was supposed to be "funny."

Of course, people who lost loved ones in that mess didn't find it amusing.

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Response to MADem (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 08:53 AM

39. Supposed to be funny, yes

But it struck me as a way of his saying the big joke was on the news media, and the ignorant public. It was one of the most sickening displays I've ever seen.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #39)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:37 AM

44. oh, the joke was not on the news media

the corporate media (some who have defense contracts) wanted that war as much as little boots. Anyone, like phil donahue, who questioned going to war, was out in our mcpravda media.

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Response to newspeak (Reply #44)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 10:58 AM

45. Well that's true

It was party line all the way.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 06:23 PM

24. I know, while he was bending over looking under tables

 

our soldiers were being shot and killed and brought home in the dead of night in secrecy. I doubt I will ever forget the atocities we endured under GWB and Dick Cheney.

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 01:54 PM

5. i blame the people who believed him 100%

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 02:00 PM

7. I bet no US station will air it or report on it.

It simply is irrelevant to today's issues . . . Like birth control, abortion, and cutting corporate taxes.

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 02:02 PM

8. if powell feels any rage, it's only because curveball's spilling it now.

i don't see any way on this earth that secretary powell didn't know damn well that the evidence was fabricated.

he certainly knew damn well that shrub wanted the war long before the case was built.

he certainly knew damn well that "intelligence was being worked to fit around the policy".

he certainly knew damn well the point was to convince congress and the public.

and he certainly knew if there ACTUALLY WAS a clear and present danger, they would have taken military action first and asked congress for forgiveness later.

NO WAY powell didn't know curveball was full of it.




and i'm not even talking about how many, many people outside of the shrub administration were convinced that he was lying.


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Response to unblock (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 12:51 AM

33. Actually, Powell was said to have called the script he was given "bullshit",

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jun/02/usa.iraq

but he still went ahead and waved his vial of fake anthrax at the UN and claimed that Saddam had WMDs.

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 02:02 PM

9. Ho Hum If it hadn't been him

Bushco would have found someone else.

But that doesn't stop him being a donkey-pit (for those puzzled think of another word for donkey and another word for pit)

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 02:09 PM

10. There's that word again, "confidence."

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 02:13 PM

11. Time to 'interrogate' Cheney for the truth from his end

I can't wait for that heart to reject him

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 02:13 PM

12. I'm sure most of his countrymen would prefer Saddam had died

of old age in office if their friends and families were all still alive.

We should send him there for trial.

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 02:21 PM

13. "Intelligence was being worked to fit around the policy"

A nice way of saying that the United States squandered its money and military to prop up a lie. I know how it feels to watch my tax dollars wasted in such fashion; I can't even fathom what it must be like for a solder, sailor or marine to have their commitment and service abused like this. Or how the survivors of those killed can deal with being suckered so badly.

I notice this story is published in Britain; I wonder why the U.S. media isn't very curious about the con job perpetrated on them? That is, if they were conned at all.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 02:30 PM

16. Won't be published here

If anything the US media will say that exposing the lie would be an affront to the troops who gave their lives for FREEDOM (for nothing, NOTHING!).

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Response to get the red out (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 02:58 PM

17. Yeah, and no shit

In fact, were he subject to the long arm of American justice, Jonathan Owen (the writer of this piece), could expect an invitation to attend his indefinite incarceration and torture for leaking such top secret material. And, considering the respect accorded our Constitution by our government, who is to say that Mr. Owen isn't subject to our loving jurisdiction? After all, if enough people (or the right people) decide that he's a very, very bad person, we could just fire a missile at his suspected location. And then we would all be treated to the grand spectacle of alleged liberals and progressives cheering the administration for its forthright dispensation of "justice."

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 03:03 PM

18. I wonder

how he feels about the slaughter of 100s of thousands of Iraqis during the war to get rid of Saddam?

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 03:50 PM

19. How is this man alive?

He must have good security, really good protection.

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 03:56 PM

20. Just a useful idiot.

 

The decision to go in was made the evening of 9/11, at the latest.

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Response to Daniel537 (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 12:59 AM

34. The decision was made to go in long before 9/11

One of the first things bu$h did when he got into the White House was bomb Iraq. He was itching for a fight from the get-go.

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 04:06 PM

21. Bullshit! He was nothing but a fig leaf for Cheney/Bush to cover their own lies.



"But Mr Janabi, speaking in a two-part series, Modern Spies, starting tomorrow on BBC2, says none of it was true. When it is put to him "we went to war in Iraq on a lie. And that lie was your lie", he simply replies: "Yes."



They had more than enough intelligence to blow his third rate lies out of the water.

Thanks for the thread, KoKo.

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 04:20 PM

23. Curveball could lie and lie all he wanted to. The Bush administration believed him and improved him.

His was not the greater sin.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 07:36 PM

25. He was part of Judith Miller and Chalabi....so...I think his lies ...bore fruit..

'ya think? Or, no?

"His was not the greater sin," you say.

But, the SIN was set up by the Project for the New American Century...long ago. He was just a facilitator.... and, as you point out..."He could lie all he wanted to."

The Sins are Sins Against HUMANITY though...and some price will be paid along with the Dead, Maimed, PTSD'd and our Economy.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 07:43 PM

27. exactly

and there were lots of facilitators. Abramoff's little friends.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 11:59 PM

31. Curveball didn't talk to the Project for a New American Century. He talked to governments.

Governments that were ready and willing to listen to his lies.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:13 PM

29. Believed him?

He was their instrument.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #29)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 11:59 PM

32. Believed him. The Bush Administration didn't tell him what to say. n/t

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:16 PM

30. Where is the fucking outrage in all of this.....

Why aren't the people demanding that someone must be held accountable for this fiasco...

If this just sits there and festers I assure you it will happen again and again and again...

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 01:46 AM

35. I remember when I actually thought common sense would step in & the checks & balances

would take care of Dimson's demise when all the Iraq invasion hype began. I kept hanging on for all eight years. I grew up thinking those who serve in the government are individuals upheld to the highest standards of common sense & sound judgement. My faith was broken when Dimson/Shooter were not held accountable.

I want to believe that government leaders are sincere about their job descriptions as servants of the people's interest, but I've learned that too many are there in Washington focusing on politics, power, corporate interests only, un-American objectives, money.

Then I see Wisconsin stand up to their despotic governor, which began with kids & teachers from a neighboring school march into the capitol & grew to hundreds of thousands, even in icy, snowy weather.

Then, inspired by Wisconsin's grit, hundreds of thousands of protesters, with a majority of young people, gathered on Wall Street & in other major cities & stood up against corporations & the concentrated wealth of the top 1%!

We can no longer leave it up to our congress to do what's right. Our good, rational congresspeople are outnumbered by greedy political hacks to be able to make a positive difference. We have to stand up to the farce they're running.

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Response to pacalo (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 02:41 AM

37. Absolutely...

We have to stand up and say this is wrong that no one is being held accountability.

Real accountability not that crap that the partisans use to snipe at each which degrades the whole process for people on the outside looking in.

I don't know, I'm just tired of all this shit that people get away with just because they wear suits and ties and have a degree from a elite university while the rest of us unconnected who have to suffer the fall out from their epic failures.

What's crazy is we keep putting these ass holes back in power.

Now we are setting up dynasties.

Fuck it.

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #37)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 06:04 AM

38. That's been the way our country has been run for a long time. Look at the Viet Nam War.

Somebody invented intelligence supporting the notion that US warships were attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin. The attack never happened, but it served as a very instrumental lever in convincing the United States to move to sending large numbers of combat troops to what essentially was a civil war between North Viet Nam and South Viet Nam. Regardless of what happened, the arms manufacturers made bank off the war contracts. They're making bank today in Afghanistan.

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 09:01 AM

40. When the U.S. wants to invade a nation

those in power will find people to lie for them.

Remember the woman's claim that babies were tossed from incubators before the Bush I invasion of Iraq? That was a total fabrication as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 11:15 AM

46. Probably far more than 100K deaths. Plus maiming, destruction of families, loss of cultural

treasures, destruction of institutions, our loss of trillions, US vet physical and mental trauma, poisoning by depleted uranium, lowering of human dignity on both sides, creation of the second largest refugee group in the world, and an increase of hate against us for generations. Horror.

There is a casualness about the article and about those who reflect on the war that has to be refuted.

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 12:47 PM

48. Downing Street memos?

fixing the facts to be make war, or something like that as I seem to recall. Was part of the plan to start the war based on lies, and now we hear from the guy who told the lies, great!

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Wed Apr 18, 2012, 06:29 PM

50. He was drunk out of his mind and we only used the translation from the German interrogations

they were only looking for evidence to support their concieved facts.

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Response to KoKo (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 05:07 PM

51. A nation of laws?

Why should any of us respect any of our laws if people that knowingly lied us into unnecessary war are not prosecuted for treason and crimes against humanity.

Why is there no modern Nuremburg Trials right this very minute?

There are so many things wrong with the fallacious "we have to look forward not backward" childlike reason for giving the GW Bush criminal cabal.

The most profound misery from this corrupt decision will be in the future. When we get a President that gets to start his own vanity war taking advantage of all these "IF THE PRESIDENT DOES IT, IT'S NOT ILLEGAL" Doctrines that are basically a license to commit genocide. To the apparent benefit of only the Dick Cheney's, Eric Prinze's and Mitt Romney's of the world.

We have seen repeatedly in recent history how flawed laws repeat disastrous time bombs in the future. I'm thinking specifically of the repeal of Glass-Steagel in the late 90's, which led to the economic depression of 2008-2009.

The free pass given to these traitors insures more of the same in our future. And we will stand for this? Is this how we as a country honor the lives of all those that served to protect the Constitution and the American way of life?

I find the whole thing infuriating.

-90% Jimmy

An irony to this tragedy is that I have read there have been 750-1000 contractor casualties from this Iraq c-f**k. Were they mercenaries or dedicated patriots or people desperate to make big money as quick as possible knowing the risks? I don't know, but those poor dead people are off the radar of the entire country and media, from my vantage, anyway.

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