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J_J_

(1,213 posts)
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:10 PM Oct 2014

Pope Francis'Wealth Made from Financial speculation intolerable-Speculation on Commodities a Scandal


Francis has been labelled a communist by some hard right elements in the US after denouncing the ‘tyranny of capitalism’, calling the wealth made from financial speculation as intolerable and saying speculation on commodities was a scandal that compromised the poor’s access to food.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2813459/Pope-Francis-insists-no-communist-just-following-Catholic-teachings-defending-rights-poor.html

Why are we allowing Goldman Sachs to speculate on food when As the U.S. emerges from the worst recession since the Great Depression, 25% of children don’t have enough food to eat

Goldman lobbied Congress to drive our costs up to make themselves more money. They even named it after themselves "Goldman Sachs Commodity Index" GSCI

Now millions in this country are suffering without enough to eat because Goldman Sachs needed more money.

Just as easily as this was started, just like the Koch brothers introducing oil speculation, we can reverse this and stop these bastards from stealing our money.
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Pope Francis'Wealth Made from Financial speculation intolerable-Speculation on Commodities a Scandal (Original Post) J_J_ Oct 2014 OP
more info: How Goldman Sachs Created the Food Crisis J_J_ Oct 2014 #1
And remember who Goldman-Sachs is sponsoring for the Presidency. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #24
This pope is clearly a horse of another color hifiguy Oct 2014 #2
I would agree with you but these hard cases TexasProgresive Oct 2014 #4
i think he will change the minds of some US Catholics hifiguy Oct 2014 #5
yes, billions inspired worldwide J_J_ Oct 2014 #8
The problem Pope Francis faces is not with lay Catholics in any country . . . markpkessinger Oct 2014 #23
Sounds like what bush/cheney did here. calimary Nov 2014 #28
I like the way you think. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #14
I like it. I also like the idea of storming Goldman's headquarters à la the Bastille. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #15
Blankfein's head on a pike would be a heart-warming image. hifiguy Oct 2014 #20
We can use the 21st century version of pitchforks and torches meow2u3 Nov 2014 #26
I call it Big Poverty deminks Oct 2014 #3
This is a Pope Jesus would be proud of QuestionAlways Oct 2014 #18
But then he also says gay people's rights are Satan's idea and contraception is murder Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #6
Homosexual activist Elton John: Pope Francis 'is my hero' J_J_ Oct 2014 #9
I'm gay and Elton doesn't speak for me theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #19
Life Site News? Really? LeftyMom Oct 2014 #21
That link is to a right wing Canadian web site which is opposed to LGBT equality and to women's Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #27
I am an atheist and I recognize that hifiguy Oct 2014 #10
+1 Enthusiast Oct 2014 #13
I'm gay and I recognize that when people explain that they need to take lots of time to stop an Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #29
K&R.... daleanime Oct 2014 #7
The same thing happened just before the French Revolution PeoViejo Oct 2014 #11
Kicked and recommended! I'm with the Pope on this. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #12
It is kinda obvious we don't care. America is all about making money. Rex Oct 2014 #16
Is the Pope Catholic? hedgehog Oct 2014 #17
The fundies' lily-white Jebus hifiguy Oct 2014 #22
Gosh, I can't figure this guy out for nothing. nc4bo Nov 2014 #25
Says the leader of one of the biggest financial powers on earth theHandpuppet Nov 2014 #30
The link he gave is to a far right wing anti choice, anti gay webstite from Canada Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #31
Should be but they won't be theHandpuppet Nov 2014 #32
That site's voting guide for Tuesday has this pro Republican take on things: Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #34
The Vatican should just officially change its name to PlunderCo. Arugula Latte Nov 2014 #35
knr - thanks for posting Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #33
 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
1. more info: How Goldman Sachs Created the Food Crisis
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:20 PM
Oct 2014

How Goldman Sachs Created the Food Crisis
Don't blame American appetites, rising oil prices, or genetically modified crops for rising food prices.
Wall Street's at fault for the spiraling cost of food.

It took the brilliant minds of Goldman Sachs to realize the simple truth that nothing is more valuable than our daily bread. And where there's value, there's money to be made. In 1991, Goldman bankers, led by their prescient president Gary Cohn, came up with a new kind of investment product, a derivative that tracked 24 raw materials, from precious metals and energy to coffee, cocoa, cattle, corn, hogs, soy, and wheat. They weighted the investment value of each element, blended and commingled the parts into sums, then reduced what had been a complicated collection of real things into a mathematical formula that could be expressed as a single manifestation, to be known henceforth as the Goldman Sachs Commodity Index (GSCI).

For just under a decade, the GSCI remained a relatively static investment vehicle, as bankers remained more interested in risk and collateralized debt than in anything that could be literally sowed or reaped. Then, in 1999, the Commodities Futures Trading Commission deregulated futures markets. All of a sudden, bankers could take as large a position in grains as they liked, an opportunity that had, since the Great Depression, only been available to those who actually had something to do with the production of our food.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/27/how_goldman_sachs_created_the_food_crisis

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
2. This pope is clearly a horse of another color
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:28 PM
Oct 2014

when compared to popes since John XXiii. A pronouncement like that is going to leave a mark and impress people all around the world.

As for Goldman, all of the top management should be marched to a guillotine set up in front of their building, then shaved with the National Razor, including HRC's BFF Blankfein. He can get the "honor" of going first. Then their families should be sold into slavery in Dubai, and the company smashed to atoms and scattered to the four winds. But not before repatriating every penny that can be found of the countless bllions they have stolen over the last 35 years.

TexasProgresive

(12,154 posts)
4. I would agree with you but these hard cases
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:49 PM
Oct 2014

will never open their minds to what he is saying. Popes before him have made similar points but to no avail. The few who benefit from impoverishing many will continue to rationalize their actions and to open the floodgates of propaganda that the rest of us should get with the program and "pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, like we did".

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
5. i think he will change the minds of some US Catholics
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:57 PM
Oct 2014

who are on the fence. The worldwide impact could be much greater.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
8. yes, billions inspired worldwide
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:28 PM
Oct 2014

Billions working together to make sure everyone has enough to eat, somewhere to sleep, needed medical care...what could be better?

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
23. The problem Pope Francis faces is not with lay Catholics in any country . . .
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 05:46 PM
Oct 2014

. . . but is rather with the episcopate. His two predecessors, over a span of 35 years, made a point of filling every bishopric that became vacant with a bishop who was just as doctrinaire and reactionary as they were, and who was also relatively quite young. And just as we saw within the last couple of weeks with the Pope's call for a more pastoral approach to LGBT and divorced Catholics, while the Pope can say whatever he wants, the second he actually tries to implement his ideas that the Old Guard considers too far afield, those reactionary bishops will quash his proposal like a bug.

calimary

(81,091 posts)
28. Sounds like what bush/cheney did here.
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:20 AM
Nov 2014

Appointed as many like-minded people to positions that don't automatically turn over when the next administration takes charge.

DAMMIT, WHY DON'T PEOPLE ON OUR SIDE THINK DEVIOUSLY LIKE THAT? The takeover will be complete, right under our noses, before our people actually wake up. Because of this political Ebola virus, the damage is systemic. Sometimes it feels as though we're slowly but surely being swallowed up by a huge political opportunistic infection.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,576 posts)
15. I like it. I also like the idea of storming Goldman's headquarters à la the Bastille.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 03:51 PM
Oct 2014

The Bastille fortress was a symbol of royal power during the French Revolution. These days Goldman is a pretty good symbol of "royal" power. And, after the Bastille fell, the head of the guy who ran the place, Marquis de Launay, was put on a pike and paraded around Paris...

Get out the torches and pitchforks! I have a garden fork, and maybe I could use my tiki torch.

deminks

(11,013 posts)
3. I call it Big Poverty
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:43 PM
Oct 2014

Some call it the Poverty Industry

http://beforeitsnews.com/banksters/2012/10/shocking-report-jp-morgan-makes-over-half-billion-dollars-off-food-stamps-2431996.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/01/jp-morgan-s-food-stamp-empire.html#

The Bible calls it the money changers - people who make money off of money. Jesus threw them out of the Temple. Today's self professed Christians would lay down and die for them, no doubt about it.

I am sort of liking this Pope. Little by little. Sort of.

 

QuestionAlways

(259 posts)
18. This is a Pope Jesus would be proud of
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 04:14 PM
Oct 2014

This Pope listened to what Jesus said and what he was concerned about

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. But then he also says gay people's rights are Satan's idea and contraception is murder
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:59 PM
Oct 2014

so if he really cared about his economic message being taken seriously, he might want to drop the superstition and bigotry.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
27. That link is to a right wing Canadian web site which is opposed to LGBT equality and to women's
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:14 AM
Nov 2014

right to reproductive choice. Disgusting to see it here. A vile, horrible site.
You should self delete that shit at once.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
10. I am an atheist and I recognize that
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:33 PM
Oct 2014

turning an institution as old, bureaucratized and barnacle-encrusted as the catholic church is like raising the Titanic with a pair of tweezers. This economic message is a very significant stride in the right direction and he's making a lot more noise on this issue than on the ones you mention.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
29. I'm gay and I recognize that when people explain that they need to take lots of time to stop an
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:22 AM
Nov 2014

injustice, all they are doing is advocating continued injustice. Excusing bigotry and harm done to others. That's all they are doing. 'But but, the old men neeeeed to keep abusing you'. Fuck that.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
11. The same thing happened just before the French Revolution
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:33 PM
Oct 2014

Speculators and hoarders had raised the cost of Flour to the point where none but the wealthy could afford a loaf of Bread.

Thus the reply from Marie Antoinette, when told the people had no Bread to eat.: " Let them eat Cake."

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. It is kinda obvious we don't care. America is all about making money.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 03:54 PM
Oct 2014

And not caring if 1 in 3 kids goes to bed without food in their belly. Hey they should get a job and stop being lazy.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
17. Is the Pope Catholic?
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 04:14 PM
Oct 2014

(Well, someone had to ask)

In truth, I think the Founder was crucified for saying much the same thing.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
22. The fundies' lily-white Jebus
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 05:42 PM
Oct 2014

doesn't seem to have much in common with the fella you reference.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
25. Gosh, I can't figure this guy out for nothing.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 08:40 PM
Nov 2014

But I love he's a breath of fresh air. I shall just keep watching.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
30. Says the leader of one of the biggest financial powers on earth
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:23 AM
Nov 2014

Last edited Sun Nov 2, 2014, 12:32 PM - Edit history (1)

With billions in shares in international corporations and global banks, vast real estate holdings, gold and treasure.

Yeah, get back to me on that, your holiness.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
31. The link he gave is to a far right wing anti choice, anti gay webstite from Canada
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 10:28 AM
Nov 2014

It should not be on DU, and those who are backing that poster up should be ashamed.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
32. Should be but they won't be
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 12:13 PM
Nov 2014

Why deal with facts when you can just react to headlines and meaningless rhetoric?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
34. That site's voting guide for Tuesday has this pro Republican take on things:
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 02:46 PM
Nov 2014

Vote with a well-formed conscience that is unconditionally pro-life.
We are responsible for the formation of our consciences and for choosing as wisely as possible from among the laws and candidates on our ballots. Whenever possible, we must vote for candidates who stand with the Church on ending abortion, defending traditional marriage, and opposing euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research and human cloning.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/a-catholic-obligation-to-vote-november-4



It's a full tilt right wing hate site, entire sections dedicated to attacking LGBT people.

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