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Mon Oct 27, 2014, 12:36 AM

Why is the Obama administration siding with meat packers over the rights of U.S. consumers . . .

. . . to know the country of origin of the meats they buy? And why on earth would President Obamas Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack, in the event of a conflict between the interests of the meat packing industry and the interests of consumers,.allow an unelected international body be the final arbiter of such a conflict?

Doesn't it just warm the cockles of your heart to know that your President and his team are working so hard to protect you from such dangerous knowledge?

And why should American consumers not be free to favor (or not) the products of any country they wish?

I'm not sure why the article refers to Vilsack as "then-Secretary of Agriculture." He is still serving in the post.

(This post refers to this thread, and to this article, excerpted below):

[font size=5]WTO Says U.S. Consumers Don’t Need to Know Where Meat Comes From[/font]

This week, the World Trade Organization (WTO) finally issued a decision in the challenge made by Mexico and Canada to the U.S.’s country-of-origin (COOL) labeling rules for meat. And environmental and food safety groups are hopping mad, as WTO upheld the contention made by those countries, supported by multi0national meat packers, that the rules unfairly impede global trade.

“The meatpacking lobby has lost the COOL debate from the court of public opinion to the Court of Appeals to the halls of Congress so they are taking their complaint to the faceless unelected bureaucrats in Geneva,” said Wenonah Hauter, executive director of Food & Water Watch. “When the meat cannot get its way here in America, it is trying to use the WTO to overturn the will of the American people.”

The current U.S. rules, which went into effect in 2013, require that meat sold in groceries be labeled to show separately where the animal was born, raised and slaughtered. The WTO’s ruling agrees that those regulations unfairly discriminate against imported meat to give an unfair edge to domestic products. In the ongoing dispute, then-Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack suggested last November that WTO should resolve the dispute and that the U.S. would abide by what the WTO decided.

Meat packers insists that the labeling rules have cost them profits, and the Canadian government threatened to put a tariff on U.S. meats and other food products imported from the U.S. The North American Meat Association and the American Meat Institute hailed the decision. But Food & Water Watch said that consumers deserved to know where their meat came from.

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Reply Why is the Obama administration siding with meat packers over the rights of U.S. consumers . . . (Original post)
markpkessinger Oct 2014 OP
NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #1
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NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #20
markpkessinger Oct 2014 #6
madokie Oct 2014 #11
markpkessinger Oct 2014 #15
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QC Oct 2014 #18
markpkessinger Oct 2014 #23
woo me with science Oct 2014 #32
Karmadillo Oct 2014 #24
840high Oct 2014 #26
pa28 Oct 2014 #2
jwirr Oct 2014 #3
markpkessinger Oct 2014 #5
Recursion Oct 2014 #8
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markpkessinger Oct 2014 #13
Recursion Oct 2014 #16
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markpkessinger Oct 2014 #14
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ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #12
NCTraveler Oct 2014 #21
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Youdontwantthetruth Oct 2014 #31
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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 12:54 AM

1. IMO, your alarmist subject line is conclusive of facts not in evidence.

 

According to your own post last November Vilsack said something about abiding, which is a nonbinding statement.

And then you provide a nationofchange article that makes a claim with no sources to back it up except those from ecowatch and foodandwaterwatch.

And you blame it all on the Obama Administration, which AFAIK has said nothing about this (in this article) unsubstantiated claim about the WTO.

So let me do some checking....

And here is something that seems to dispute your assertion:

So far, this dynamic has made COOL very popular in Washington. The reality of politics is that the most popular policies are those in which the benefits go to a small well-organized group of people while the costs are spread thin to many.

The Obama administration in particular is keen on furthering the interests of COOL supporters and has gone out of its way to make the rules as onerous as possible on importers of foreign cattle.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-budget/221589-consumers-win-as-wto-condemns-protectionist-meat-labels


Now, I happen to support full disclosure and truth in labeling, but the global economy brought forth by the Bush and Clinton administrations has momentum, and the WTO is trying to artificially "level the playing field" to help meat importers Canada and Mexico, in particular.

Let's wait and see where this goes.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 02:08 AM

4. While at the same time committing the U.S,.to abide by the WTO's determination n/t

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 10:03 AM

20. That's a year ago, and probably a politically correct stance to take.

 

He didn't qualify it with, "unless....", and you wouldn't expect him to.

I hope we stand firm, but until I read something from the whitehouse more current than last November, something since the WTO release, I'll hold fire.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 02:25 AM

6. Anyway, I hope you're right . . .

. . . and if you are, I'm sure we can expect an announcement any day now by the Administration that it will not abide by the ruling its Secretary of Agriculture said it would abide by, right?

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 02:52 AM

11. Why don't you spend a little less time on knocking the President for a change

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Response to madokie (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 06:16 AM

15. I post on a variety of topics here, most of the time NOT about the President . . .

. . . but when the administration does something I disagree with, I speak up. Sorry if that offends you.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:31 AM

17. +1,000

 

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:33 AM

18. If you don't clap loud enough, Tinkerbell will die!!! n/t

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Response to QC (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 04:35 PM

23. LOL! n/t

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Response to QC (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 29, 2014, 07:40 PM

32. LOL!

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 04:38 PM

24. Shhhhhhhh! When you speak up, the terrorists win.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 11:17 PM

26. +10

 

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 01:17 AM

2. We're watching as good regulation is superseded by trade agreement dispute resolution.

If you like this you'll LOVE the TTP.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 01:22 AM

3. This one we can do something about. In our family all of the households either raise their own or

buy from a local farmer. I suggest that many try to do the same thing. If we do the stores themselves will label the meat because they want to sell it.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 02:10 AM

5. I live in NYC . . .

It isn't as if I can just drive down the road to my local cattle farmer.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 02:27 AM

8. Actually you can!

There are several good meat CSA's in NYC.

http://www.localharvest.org/csa/

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Response to Recursion (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 02:37 AM

9. Post Rec'd!

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Response to Recursion (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 06:05 AM

13. I looked at the site . . .

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. . . while there are certainly many farmer's markets throughout the city, I couldn't find any that sell meats in Manhattan, where I live, and when I searched the site for 'meat' in New York, NY, three CSAs came up, two of which were in NJ (I don't own a car), and the other in Bushwick, Brooklyn, easily a 45-55 minute subway ride away (and 'm not in the habit of taking a subway to a different borough just to buy meat). So, for me at least, I fail to see how this is pertinent to the labeling issue.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:23 AM

16. Sorry, that was not a full list

I do know several ranchers who run CSA's in the city, though I can't promise any delivery point south of 102nd st. Can I PM you the info?

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 02:26 AM

7. Umm... is the WTO now part of the Obama administration? (nt)

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Response to Recursion (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 06:08 AM

14. Not so far as I know it isn't . . .

. . . which is why I don't understand why Secretary Vilsack would agree to allow the WTO to make such a determination.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 02:45 AM

10. Obama getting intimidated by Canada??

 

I am sure there is much more to the story but it is just funny to think of Canada pushing their weight around to threaten Obama.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 04:44 AM

12. Why would anyone care?

What does the country of origin actually tell you? It doesn't tell you how the animals were treated, how the animals were raised, how fresh the meat is, or how safe the meat is, or who is getting your money.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 10:09 AM

21. I think that stating the country of origin alone could tell you many of those things.

 

One would at least be able to make themselves familiar with the country of origins regulations of the industry. To me that really shouldn't matter. All of our trade deals should have minimum requirements as to how their products and employees are treated if they want to do business here. Country of origin could still tell you a lot in an instance like this.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 12:58 PM

22. Let's say you saw two meats in the grocery store.

One meat is labeled "USA" and the other is labeled "Canada." What do you know about these meats? Feel free to pick from chicken, beef, or pork, since those are very common meats for Americans and Canadians.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 11:20 PM

27. I like to know if

 

something is from China.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 29, 2014, 01:07 PM

31. Why care, so you buy any old food no matter where it comes from?

 

You do know corporations now are sending frozen critters to china to be processed then sent back to the USA.

You enjoy eating food that has been sent from the USA via ship to china, cut up into consumer sizes, shipped back to the USA via ship, then sold in your local store as USA Quality Food.

and they don't have to disclose that either.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:39 AM

19. Safe in the permanent gaze of a cold glass eye

 

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Mon Oct 27, 2014, 11:02 PM

25. he's sided with the corporations against Americans for six years

 

A big reason he's as popular as athletes foot. Otoh it's just a preview of what's coming regardless of who's president.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 29, 2014, 12:53 PM

29. Thank you.

This is the Democratic Party on corporate cash.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Tue Oct 28, 2014, 06:25 PM

28. kick and rec.

Here we go again.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Oct 29, 2014, 01:00 PM

30. Why $$$$$$$$$$$'s just like he has been doing the last 6 years

 

See WE do not Matter unless one has a big old bag of CASH

Government is not for the little people or the 99%

President Obama may call himself a Democrat but he supports corporations just like a Republicans, not surprising when he said he was a really a moderate republican and liked RR.


I don't even want to think about the damage that will be caused by the Goldwater Girl if she is elected POTUS.

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