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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat do you fear the most in the next election?
That the Democrats will not get out the vote? Or the unpredictability of the Republican Party?
That the Republicans will not only win the House and Senate but also take over the White House? How confident are you that this will not happen?
Do you fear irrational thought? Do you think most Republicans are "rational"?
What do you see happening after the next election? Will we continue to tread water or will we make progress?
What concerns you the most about the Republican Party?
bigtree
(85,974 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)The American people do not rally around Democrats, and haven't since 1962.
The problem is that the critical mass of fascists necessary to any social rallying around movement are now all RWers.
So if Israel bombs Iran we will get very little "I support the president in times of crisis" and a great deal of, "Why is gas $6.50 a gallon?"
jwirr
(39,215 posts)AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)Bibi wants to throw the election to the Republicans.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)skew the vote over to their side, both in Congress and the White House.
warrior1
(12,325 posts)emilyg
(22,742 posts)over it.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)not even voting?
emilyg
(22,742 posts)won't matter.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)And if they do steal it, I am hoping 12/21/12 is true. It's a quicker death for all.
kentuck
(111,051 posts)There is an unknown about this upcoming election that is creating a huge amount of anxiety.
bigtree
(85,974 posts)you're not 'unknown' here
kentuck
(111,051 posts)You will see that there are a lot of fears amongst voters, not the least of which is the possible theft of the next election.
If your meaning is otherwise, I apologize for the misinterpretation.
bigtree
(85,974 posts). . . kinda of a self-fulfilling exercise with respondents, as you fan the flames.
kentuck
(111,051 posts)..which is what I think you meant it to be.
If you are saying there are no fears, then I think you are not living in the real world. If you are saying that discussing them are "fanning the flames" then I would disagree with you.
bigtree
(85,974 posts)I'm saying that you've raised the subject of 'fear' in this election with leading questions and virtually no attempt to either seek or state any of the remedies or defenses of our party which confront or address these 'fears' that you're fishing for. You've mostly just responded with more leading questions. it's a curious, and I think, self-fulfilling exercise which mainly just produces anxiety and cynicism. But, you go on and have fun with it, kentuck.
kentuck
(111,051 posts)And last I checked, this was a discussion board. I didn't realize "fear" was a taboo subject. If we ignore it, maybe it will just disappear or maybe, in your opinion, it didn't exist to begin with?
How can you offer "defenses" or "remedies" if you refuse to even accept a problem exists??
You never fail to disappoint.
I said have a good time with it.
kentuck
(111,051 posts)You scare me.
bigtree
(85,974 posts)You fear a grocery store night clerk . . . a 29 year union worker?
me?
You bore me.
kentuck
(111,051 posts)Glad that I could help.
madokie
(51,076 posts)You know like crazy republicons. No predicting what they'll do next
kentuck
(111,051 posts)Is crazy the new norm? Or is it that crazy is not defined by the media and people accept it as just another position?
madokie
(51,076 posts)You and I not so much.
Our media, the fourth leg of our Democracy, btw, has let America down. They have been bought up and are nothing but mouthpieces for the rich. Goebbels would be proud
kentuck
(111,051 posts)..and, over time, were able to get them to take their side on every issue, no matter how crazy. Maybe we should try that tactic?
They now believe that if they give the crazy side and the sane side, their reporting is finished. It is up to the people to decide which side they wish to believe. Then the Republican nuts, like Bachman, ie, reinforce the crazy side until it becomes the accepted and rational one to believe. Any arguments against the crazy are received with skepticism and critical questioning...
madokie
(51,076 posts)one of the big think tanks, sorry can't remember who, decided that if they wanted to get their message out they were going to have to buy the media, papers, magazine, radio and tv and proceeded to do just that. Now our media for the most part is owned by the same people who brings the war toys to the boys and man child's masquerading as CEO's, boardrooms and congress critters
kentuck
(111,051 posts)The right-wing squeezed the press so tight they had to beg just to breathe...
They were intent not to ever let anything like that type of reporting (Watergate) happen again.
madokie
(51,076 posts)whitewater comes to mind, the impeachment of Clinton another example.
Vile bunch if I do say so myself
kentuck
(111,051 posts)WE shoud squeeze the media with all our might. David Gregory and others should not be permitted to get away with such incompetence and intentional oversight of the facts.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Yes we are going to have to take the bull by the horns. In a lot of ways those of us of the older generation is who let our guard down and allowed this shit to become the norm and it is us who should be leading the way to correct that.
We incorrectly thought that once the battle was fought and won that would be the end of it but no not to be. We're having to fight the same battles over again. Relentless bunch of sob's is what comes to mind
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)The right wing controls the media because they OWN it! Every TV network in the country. Almost every radio station and newspaper.
We don't have any leverage over the media because we don't have that kind of money.
chieftain
(3,222 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)I believe that the Obama will be reelected by a wide margin,
and The Democratic Party will gain seats.
The Republicans have not fielded a serious candidate,
and are merely participating in the Kabuki Theater of an election with the assistance of The Media to keep the money rolling in.
Election are BIG BUSINESS.
If the Republicans conceded, donations to BOTH Parties would dry up,
and we are talking several BILLION Dollars.
So both Parties need to keep up not just the appearance of an election,
but the illusion of a dramatic Horse Race in order to Cash In.
What we are currently viewing would be better called "Milking the Rubes" than an "election".
That aside, I DO have two fears:
1)The outside possibility that the current circus might result in a Brokered Republican Convention where they unveil a serious, relatively unknown, squeaky clean contender that they have kept sheltered from scrutiny who would appear positively acceptable compared to the clown show so far. (Low probability)
and
2)I FEAR that the Democratic Party will use their substantial victory as a MANDATE of APPROVAL for its Center/Right Economic Policies, and step up the war on the Working Class. (High Probability)
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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kentuck
(111,051 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,018 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)RW nutters/2nd Amendment militia fundies will come completely unhitched, and will do bodily harm to many, or possibly even attempt a full blown uprising.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I live amongst the "RW nutters" here in very rural dark RED area of The South .
There may be a couple of idiots who "take up arms" somewhere in Montana or Idaho,
but they will be dealt with quickly.
There will be no General Uprising or Civil War at this point.
The Very Worst you might see will be a "Tea Party" succession from the Republican Party,
and I would welcome that.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Instead of moving left in his second term, Obama moves further right.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)Then again, that's not really so much a fear as a certainty.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Same as every election
kentuck
(111,051 posts)and their inability to educate the voters? Or their willful intent to not inform the public?
RC
(25,592 posts)Partition and corrupt Supreme Court. Example: Citizens United.
The Republican's private ownership of the No Paper Trail Electronic voting machines. These machines need to be gotten rid of. Other countries can count hundreds of millions of votes by hand, in a few days. Why can't we?
Partisan elected election officials.
We do not really have a say in our government any more. We will continue to get enough splatter to make enough of us to believe we do, so that things will continue as they are. For instance the excuses for the "slow recovery", when what's needed to be done by the government are so obvious to so many of us. Yet nothing is done.
The lying by campaign promises of the winning candidates, then excuses, diversion and/or forgetfulness after they are in office. To be dragged out and updated at the next election.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)and not be able to go to the polls. I'd have to be very sick not to go.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)... will again fail to communicate with clarity to the electorate - WHAT the essential Democratic philosophy represents; WHY it is important to give Democrats the reins of power in order to best preserve the status of the middle classes ....
The Democrats have, historically, failed to promote a coherent image of who they are, and what they believe in, and how that image, that blueprint for governance, gives the best chance for middle class families to succeed, and the best chance for those on the bottom rungs to climb upward ..... With fair wages and workplace rules that inspire success for families.
Time and again, Democrats squander opportunities to prove themselves before the eyes of the electorate ... They fail to capitalize on the obvious defects in conservative governing philosophies, and fail to convince a sizable population that Democrats can best promote the interests of common citizens .... It should be a no brainer, considering how the flotsom and jetsom of conservative governance; the actual results of GOP rule that we now see all around us, it seems the Democrats are handed amply evidence of GOP malfeasance, but then squander the opportunities to benefit from that evidence .... They are very poor salesmen ...
kentuck
(111,051 posts)Or intentional?
It seems so obvious, yet they fail.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Think about it. Who generally excels at office politics: the best workers or the idiots? In my experience it is usually the morons because they use politics to make up for their stupidity.
I always find it amusing when someone talks about how bright some politician is. Their sole job requirement is winning a popularity contest people. I don't recall bright people being all that popular.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)kentuck
(111,051 posts)The informed ones or just Republicans?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)A woman told him he had the vote of every thinking person in the country..
He replied; Madam, that is not enough, we need a majority..
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)And Obama will be working on his second term. I don't see how this cannot happen unless they cheat (GOP), AGAIN.
My biggest fear is they will cheat again.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)and the Rethugs keeping the House. Unfortunately, if Barack Obama's re-election looks like a certainty as we are in the weekend before Election Day, I fear that the chances of those things happen will increase, as voters in swing districts and states might just want to send a Repuke to Congress as a 'check' on the President.
If that happens, we have two unhappy possibilities. The first is that the President will not be able to do a single thing for at least the next two years, and the second is the compromises he'll either be tempted to make to get something, anything to pass, and the compromises he'll be forced into to even get budgets passed. We face some serious tax and spending challenges right after the election, and everybody's hanging on the outcome of that election to see what to propose to do about the sequesters, the extensions of FICA tax holiday, UC, and doc fix, and the expiring tax cuts.
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)They control enough states to steal it all. They are hard at work already, passing new voter ID laws, closing polling places, purging voting lists, and who knows what they are doing to the voting machinez!
This is also only the second election since the "Citizens United" ruling opened the floodgates to unlimited corporate contributions, and the first one went very badly for us. We will be massively outspent.
I am confident that the Democrats would win a fair election. I am not at all confident that we will have a fair election.
I think there will be considerable unrest if it is stolen. This would put Obama in the awkward position of having come down on his own supporters, since the Supreme Court would side with the Repiglickins as they did in 2000.
There is no foreseeable scenario that gives us a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate (in fact, the odds are strongly against our even retaining a simple majority there), so treading water at best.
If the Repiglickins "win", they will roll the clock back 70 years and keep on going.
The Repiglickins are acting as if they have it in the bag. They don't even care how much of the electorate they piss off anymore. They have access to unlimited corporate money, even foreign money now, so they will be able to outspend us many times over. They will be counting the votes in a number of states that are "must win" for us.
Graybeard
(6,996 posts)New voter ID laws, not enough voting machines or polling locations, fixed Diebold voting machines, out and out fraud in counting the votes...etc., etc.
All of these can work in a close election. 2008 was an Obama
landslide. We need another.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)Redistricting and voter suppression.
The push to get us involved in another conflict overseas before the election. John McCain on "Face the Nation"
this morning was arguing for just that in Syria. American's do not want to see us embroiled in another
conflict.
A manufactured scandal. I'm sorry but I find this Secret Service scandal in Columbia suspicious.
There's nothing I would put past the repubs to get the White House back. My instincts with voters
is that Obama has this but, by a very fragile margin. If the economy appears to strengthen that
margin will increase, voters will not want to shake the apple cart. Romney will continue to be
his own worst enemy and Democrats have to stop taking the bait like we did this week with
Rosen's comments. That was a CNN internal problem ( assuming you consider it a problem), not
a problem for the Democratic Party.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)and thats quite enough to keep me reliably Democratic.
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)I wonder WHY the Democratic Party Leadership isn't at all concerned?
I would think that after the clearly stolen election of 2000,
and the "questionable" election in 2004
that the Dem Party leadership would have made Transparent, Verifiable voting a #1 Red Hot Priority
while they held the White House, The Senate, and a big majority in The House.
92% of the American people support Transparent, verifiable Elections
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x446445
...so that looks like an easy WIN/WIN for the Democratic Party.
Bu instead, we get only SILENCE from the Party Leadership on this most important issue,
and even MORE unverifiable "Private" "Secret" Black Box Voting Machines.
One has to look WAY out to the Left Wing Hoo-Hoo Fringe to find a Democrat willing to even talk about Election Security.
Venezuela has more secure, transparent, verifiable elections than we have in the USA.
Why?
kentuck
(111,051 posts)..they don't want to talk about campaign finance reform in a serious way...
bigtree
(85,974 posts)The Democratic National Committee is dedicated to ensuring that the process of voting remains open and fair for all eligible Americans. We continue to work to defeat any legislative or political effort that erodes the most fundamental of American rightsthe right to vote.
Under the leadership of its chair Donna Brazile, the Voting Rights Institute focuses on the protection and expansion of voting rights in a variety of ways, including:
Voting Rights Policy Development
Research and Publication
Voter Protection Organizing
Redistricting Support
Voting Rights Litigation Support
read more: http://www.democrats.org/about/voting_rights_institute
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DNC Protect the Vote Initiative:
http://www.protectingthevote.org/?source=DNC_HQB
December 23
COLUMBIA, S.C. The Justice Department on Friday rejected South Carolinas law requiring voters to show photo identification at the polls, saying it makes it harder for minorities to cast ballots. It was the first voter ID law to be refused by the federal agency in nearly 20 years.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/12/justice-dept-rejects-south-carolina-voter-id-law/1
WASHINGTON (AP) - A photo ID requirement for voters in Texas could disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of registered Hispanics, the Justice Department declared Monday in its latest move against Republican-led voting changes in many states that have drawn protests from minorities, poor people and students. The Justice objection means that now a federal court in Washington will decide whether Texas, as well as South Carolina, will be allowed to enforce its new voter photo ID requirements.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/justice-department-rejects-sc-voter-id-law-says-it-makes-it-harder-for-minorities-to-vote/2011/12/23/gIQAqDpDEP_print.html
Attorney General Eric Holder blasted efforts to keep people from the polls and vowed to throw the full weight of the Justice Department behind efforts to protect voting rights.
Holder said the department would "carefully review" changes to voting rules and practices -- including political district boundaries -- in the 16 states that require "preclearance" due to their history of discrimination.
Holder also vowed to crack down on deceptive practices and pushed for the passage of legislation set to be introduced Wednesday that would establish tough criminal penalties for those who engage in fraudulent voting practices.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h9o8CE6DGgSbzkLpZ3moCZIYuOqg?docId=CNG.249cb628071b3a25f19cf14352a8df81.921
Attorney General Eric Holder Speaks at the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library & Museum
Austin, TX ~ Tuesday, December 13, 2011
Under this Administration, our Civil Rights Division and its Voting Section have taken meaningful steps to ensure integrity, independence, and transparency in our enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. We have worked successfully and comprehensively to protect the voting rights of U.S. service members and veterans, and to enforce other laws that protect Americans living abroad, citizens with disabilities, and language minorities. As part of our aggressive enforcement of the Motor Voter law, this year alone, we filed two statewide lawsuits to enforce the requirement that voter registration opportunities be made available at a wider variety of government offices beyond just the local department of motor vehicles. And were seeing promising results from this work. For example, after filing a lawsuit in Rhode Island, we reached an agreement with state agencies that resulted in more voters being registered in the first full month after our lawsuit than in the entire previous two-year reporting period.
Were also working to ensure that the protections for language minorities included in the Voting Rights Act are aggressively enforced. These protections now apply to more than 19 million voting-age citizens. These are our Spanish-speaking friends and neighbors, our Chinese-speaking friends and neighbors, and a large and growing part of all our communities. In just the past year, weve filed three lawsuits to protect their rights. And, today, were actively reviewing nationwide compliance.
http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/ag/speeches/2011/ag-speech-111213.html
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Your lengthy response does NOT address the concern expressed in my post.
The problem cited was about Election Transparency, Accountability, and Verification.
Your response is about Voter Rights and Access.
While that IS a very important issue,
it is not pertinent to our discussion.
If our elections can be easily and secretly stolen AFTER the votes are cast with NO Public oversight or verification,
it really doesn't make any difference how many people get to the polls.
bigtree
(85,974 posts). . . that I'm interested in 'bullshitting' you. I'm not running for anything or terribly interested in selling you anything.
I just provided some ways that the party is working to protect the vote. You mentioned that the party wasn't concerned and that's not my observation. Sure, it's not about voting machines, but you act as if I posted some republican manifesto. It's a Democratic party effort to address many of the issues which have plagued our elections, and others which are new and have the potential to become some of the biggest obstacles to fair elections. Take it for what it's worth to you. Obviously not much.
I acted as if you posted a bundle of diversionary, extraneous information that was not pertinent to the topic under discussion,
which you did.
If you would like to introduce a NEW topic about what the Democratic Party has done to protect Voter Access,
please feel free to do so, but after the Democratic Party abandoned ACORN to scum like Brietbart,
expect some grumbling.
....But back to the topic of the very LOUD silence from the Democratic Party Leadership on
BBV, Election Security and Transparency, and Public Oversight & Verification,
perhaps you can provide some insight or enlightenment I have overlooked.
bigtree
(85,974 posts)so foolish when posters behave on this board like folks are somehow competing with them. My info is a good addition to whatever concerns you might have about changing the voting system in every state to comply with your vision of what's accountable and verifiable. Yours is an uphill battle which should be pursued with whatever resources and effort we can muster. Same with my concerns. You see them as competing but it is just a post on a thread on a mostly innocuous page on a discussion board. So fucking sad that you see that conflict you've conjured between your election concerns and mine as some affront to you personally. So fucking sad that you think you have to push back so hard against someone posting information about the state of our party's preparedness and pro-action regarding voting rights. Both should be pursued, I'm just not prepared to add much to what you expressed in your post, bvar22.
Besides, this thread isn't about black box voting, it's about apathetic whining about issues which are better addressed with confidence, forthrightness, and building support; not the appeal to cynicism and despair that this thread encourages.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Anytime somebody points out a problem,
and somebody else chimes in with,
"Hey Look over here at this wonderful, shiny object."
that IS a "diversion".
It is like the Doctor diagnosing Terminal Cancer,
and the mother jumps in with, "But its no so bad because he has such wonderful hair."
You:
"...to comply with your vision of what's accountable and verifiable."
This is simple.
Either the Public and Observers can SEE and COUNT & re-Count the votes,
or they can't.
"My version" has nothing to do with it.
Our "elections" have been purposely designed to:
1) Enrich Private Corporations
2) Hide the results and accountability from Public View.
The USA has the LEAST Transparent and Accountable election system in The Modern World,
and most of the 3rd World.
You:
"So fucking sad that you see that conflict you've conjured between your election concerns and mine as some affront to you personally. So fucking sad that you think you have to push back so hard ..."
...and yet, here you are AGAIN.
Have you no mirrors in your home?
The ONLY voices pointing out the PROBLEMS with our system came from the "Far Left Fringe HOO-HOO" Wing of the Democratic Party (and 3rd Parties).
The ONLY voices proposing changes to make our system transparent & verifiable come from the same people.
From the Party Leadership?...only Silence.
WHY?
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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bigtree
(85,974 posts)you can't see that I have no problem at all with your highlighting problems with voting machines, if that's what you 'fear'. You look to be developing a persecution complex. To be so defensive and accusatory, you really need to be where someone actually disagrees with you. So far, the only thing we disagree on is your self-serving nonsense about being 'diverted from your brief and, mostly apathetic post. Why don't YOU start a separate thread on black box voting, etc.? You are so in earnest, you can't wait to make someone the scapegoat for your inability to attract more of a response to your issues on this thread than from the fear-gathering author. Did you really think I'd just sit back and let you walk all over me with your ridiculous characterization of my post? And such a high opinion of the importance of your political rhetoric . . .
bvar22
(39,909 posts)You "say" you have no problem with my posting of this issue,
But You Can NOT just let it go.
It is DEEP under your skin and in your head.
The compulsion to post Personal Attacks that are constructed of your own projections overwhelms you.
"You look to be developing a persecution complex."
"To be so defensive and accusatory,"
"your self-serving nonsense "
"'diverted from your brief and, mostly apathetic post."
"let you walk all over me with your ridiculous characterization of my post"
Hostile? yes
Belligerent? yes
Combative? yes
Pitiful? yes
Diversionary? yes
Waste of bandwidth throwing a personal tantrum? yes
...but I'm the one fighting an imaginary battle?
LOL
The only plus I can find in your post is it DOES have some Redeeming Value in the irony/amusement category.
If I "imagined" your personal attack,
or the combative nature of you posts,
then I'll have to stop drinking all that cough syrup.
Have a nice day.
bigtree
(85,974 posts)for being 'diversionary' and 'bullshitting' (and persisted in that attack in subsequent posts) and you can indulge yourself in the fantasy that you're under attack from my defenses.
You consider THIS a Personal Attack?
The problem cited was about Election Transparency, Accountability, and Verification.
Your response is about Voter Rights and Access.
While that IS a very important issue,
it is not pertinent to our discussion.
If our elections can be easily and secretly stolen AFTER the votes are cast with NO Public oversight or verification,
it really doesn't make any difference how many people get to the polls. "
--bvar22, post #63, response to bigtree's lengthy spam/diversionary post.
My post is a spot on analysis of the substance of your response,
and contained nothing personal about you.
No derogatory personal adjectives or insults.
No amateur and amateurish psychological evaluations.
The focus was purely about the substance (or lack of) of your response.
Compare my response to these gems:
"To be so defensive and accusatory,"
"your self-serving nonsense "
"'diverted from your brief and, mostly apathetic post."
"let you walk all over me with your ridiculous characterization of my post"
Can you spot the difference?
...but the best chuckle is here:
69. you're not that important to me..
...and yet, here you are AGAIN.
My, my.....
Hint: People spend time of what they feel is important.
...but enough of this diversionary Hi-Jack.
Do you have any insight, enlightenment, or substance oriented commentary that has a direct relationship to any claims, opinions, or documentation contained in my original post?
bvar22 (26,682 posts)
60. If "Stealing the Election" is such a high priority among the voters here,
.....I wonder WHY the Democratic Party Leadership isn't at all concerned?
I would think that after the clearly stolen election of 2000,
and the "questionable" election in 2004
that the Dem Party leadership would have made Transparent, Verifiable voting a #1 Red Hot Priority
while they held the White House, The Senate, and a big majority in The House.
92% of the American people support Transparent, verifiable Elections
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x446445
...so that looks like an easy WIN/WIN for the Democratic Party.
Bu instead, we get only SILENCE from the Party Leadership on this most important issue,
and even MORE unverifiable "Private" "Secret" Black Box Voting Machines.
One has to look WAY out to the Left Wing Hoo-Hoo Fringe to find a Democrat willing to even talk about Election Security.
Venezuela has more secure, transparent, verifiable elections than we have in the USA.
Why?
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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bigtree
(85,974 posts)I've explained over and over that it was just meant as an addition to your complaint; as a marker for where the administration and party are on voter protection efforts. Funny that you want to act as if I'm some sort of obstacle to your mission.
Funny that you think this thread is about you. Even funnier that you think your post was 'hi-jacked.' You're as responsible for this tangent over my post as anything I've written here. Why haven't you posted anything on your pet issue independent of this fear-encouraging thread yet. I've been looking for SOMETHING which would indicate that you're interested in doing more than just repeating the same paragraph, over and over in this nebulous thread as if it were the holy grail of vote protection . . . something other than pissing on me and my little post about the administration's efforts at voter protection.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Once again,
Do you have any insight, enlightenment, or substance oriented commentary that has a direct relationship to any claims, opinions, or documentation contained in my original post?
bvar22 (26,682 posts)
60. If "Stealing the Election" is such a high priority among the voters here,
.....I wonder WHY the Democratic Party Leadership isn't at all concerned?
I would think that after the clearly stolen election of 2000,
and the "questionable" election in 2004
that the Dem Party leadership would have made Transparent, Verifiable voting a #1 Red Hot Priority
while they held the White House, The Senate, and a big majority in The House.
92% of the American people support Transparent, verifiable Elections
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x446445
...so that looks like an easy WIN/WIN for the Democratic Party.
Bu instead, we get only SILENCE from the Party Leadership on this most important issue,
and even MORE unverifiable "Private" "Secret" Black Box Voting Machines.
One has to look WAY out to the Left Wing Hoo-Hoo Fringe to find a Democrat willing to even talk about Election Security.
Venezuela has more secure, transparent, verifiable elections than we have in the USA.
Why?
?
You will know them by the SUBSTANCE of their response,
not by their Smoke Screens and other Logical Fallacies.
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bigtree
(85,974 posts)apparently not, according to you.
When I saw your post, I thought 'stealing the election' sounded remarkably similar to what the WH, the Justice Dept., and the Democratic Party is working to confront and address . . . along the lines of what I posted.
But . . . you took that as 'bullshitting', 'diversionary', and, now, 'hijacking' and chose to attack me for posting it. You still are.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)We need all hands-on-deck this year in getting out the vote. And always remember to keep lawyers on stand-by in case another redux of 2000 occurs. Also, i hope we can gain back some of those Blue Dog seats we lost in the South and the Midwest. Like them or not, the Blue Dogs always give us majority power.
adigal
(7,581 posts)again, just so they can keep gays from marrying and immigrants from getting jobs.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)and after that, apathy and hopelessness that leads to low turnout among regular people.
FSogol
(45,437 posts)arrest and pee my pants.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Initech
(100,029 posts)Literally - they were left like every five feet down two major main road - the city did wind up passing a mandatory ordinance following the election but it was pretty disgusting seeing "protect marriage" signs littered everywhere.
Initech
(100,029 posts)I'm so afraid that even with the leads Obama is enjoying right now - the Koch douchebags will blow billions post election challenging the election and then we'll end up with another Bush V. Gore scenario.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)That's what I fear.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Republicans are promising it, and only 2/3 of Dems can be relied on for a strong defense.
kctim
(3,575 posts)lies, excuses and conspiracy theories "explaining" why Romney or President Obama lost.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)There could be some back room deals to fix electronic voting machines to switch votes. I hope this isn't the case, but a stolen election would not be good, again.
jus-theFACTS
(15 posts)Dirty ass PUG in the White House, a RED Senate and a RED House.
that happens and all we've known as a country goes out the window.
rucky
(35,211 posts)to get Mitt elected