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closeupready

(29,503 posts)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:33 AM Oct 2014

Dr. Nancy Snyderman spotted at New Jersey restaurant during Ebola quarantine, draws health departmen

It's okay, she's a doctor...

The New Jersey Health Department turned into soup Nazis when it learned NBC News reporter Dr. Nancy Snyderman violated a voluntary quarantine placed on her and her crew after one member contracted Ebola while working in Liberia.

Snyderman, 62, NBC's chief medical editor, was spotted sitting in her car outside of The Peasant Grill in Hopewell, N.J., Thursday afternoon, Planet Princeton reported. A man with her picked up the take-out order.

Snyderman is a regular at The Peasant Grill, which is known for its soup, TMZ reported.

New Jersey officials made the quarantine mandatory late Friday after news broke that Snyderman, wearing sun glasses and with pulled-back hair, was spotted out and about.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dr-nancy-snyderman-spotted-n-cafe-ebola-quarantine-report-article-1.1972199

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Dr. Nancy Snyderman spotted at New Jersey restaurant during Ebola quarantine, draws health departmen (Original Post) closeupready Oct 2014 OP
How strange that the quarantine was "voluntary". What good does that do? nm rhett o rick Oct 2014 #1
You silly billy! "Mandatory" is only for little people! bullwinkle428 Oct 2014 #2
I hear you. If you can't trust the rich, who can you trust. nm rhett o rick Oct 2014 #5
The rich's selected representatives. Octafish Oct 2014 #12
No. That was too easy. But keep tryin' rhett o rick Oct 2014 #16
Question: Why the rich don't need more friends, Alex? Octafish Oct 2014 #37
Having real friends demands a commitment. It's so much easier to just buy rhett o rick Oct 2014 #99
I'm guessing it didn't generate the coverage she was expecting. AngryOldDem Oct 2014 #13
They probably thought that, as a doctor, she would know the rules of isolation SoCalDem Oct 2014 #20
Duncan's family was initially under voluntary quarantine as well... SidDithers Oct 2014 #25
One would expect that most medical personnel would take isolation seriously. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #61
I always remember the 2000 election and seeing the news people talking about Jamastiene Oct 2014 #71
Yes I understand and agree. There are two classes in America. The American Aristocract and the rhett o rick Oct 2014 #98
She has lost all credibility. Dr. Nancy my ass. Little Star Oct 2014 #3
She lost credibility a while ago RockaFowler Oct 2014 #9
I agree.......she is useless. n/t bobGandolf Oct 2014 #50
Never could stand her. AngryOldDem Oct 2014 #10
From the second NBC said they had hired a white cameraman JimDandy Oct 2014 #26
Hah! You're not alone, JimDandy! My mind went immediately to the NBC Bean-Counters. calimary Oct 2014 #42
Okay, now I feel worse JimDandy Oct 2014 #46
That's like something out of "Network", lol. closeupready Oct 2014 #52
Never seen that movie JimDandy Oct 2014 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Oct 2014 #55
See it asap! TDale313 Oct 2014 #78
Alright, I will find it this month. JimDandy Oct 2014 #82
I think it's (sadly) way too relevant. TDale313 Oct 2014 #91
You are not wrong. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #74
Where are all the people that ripped on Duncan's family JimDandy Oct 2014 #4
Seriously. "If Dr. Nancy can violate a quarantine, I can, too." closeupready Oct 2014 #6
That is a good question. Thank you for asking it. uppityperson Oct 2014 #15
What a complete asshole. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #7
Check this question malaise Oct 2014 #8
Thanks. But don't worry, malaise - she's a doctor! closeupready Oct 2014 #11
Of course not malaise Oct 2014 #29
I'm sure she thinks she knows, but that isn't the point. Avalux Oct 2014 #14
Pretentious and irresponsible. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #17
Not only is she a reporter, she's a physician. Avalux Oct 2014 #65
How do you violate a voluntary quarantine? pnwmom Oct 2014 #18
Here's how - closeupready Oct 2014 #21
But if it's voluntary, then it sounds like you're free to comply or not. They should have just pnwmom Oct 2014 #24
Well, you can play word games, I'm not interested in that today. closeupready Oct 2014 #27
Voluntary (law) "acting or done without compulsion or obligation." pnwmom Oct 2014 #31
LOL, I'll mark you down as one of her fans? closeupready Oct 2014 #33
You obviously didn't read my post, since I said this should have been MANDATORY pnwmom Oct 2014 #35
I am not a fan either, but I do know the meaning of the word "voluntary." MADem Oct 2014 #77
Since we do not live under martial law, measures like this will closeupready Oct 2014 #80
No--not true. Individual city and town health departments can institute mandatory quarantines. MADem Oct 2014 #84
We aren't disagreeing. So why are you shouting? closeupready Oct 2014 #88
I think it means you agree to stay in quarantine rather than being locked up or having cops uppityperson Oct 2014 #47
It just means that there aren't armed guards at your door forcing you to stay inside. Avalux Oct 2014 #58
2 out of 3 "voluntarily" quarantined didn't realize what it meant, apparently. pnwmom Oct 2014 #68
Well, it IS voluntary if no one is outside your door forcing you to stay inside. Avalux Oct 2014 #83
To me, it sounds as voluntary as a "voluntarily lay-off," when the only alternative they give you pnwmom Oct 2014 #87
If you are doing something voluntarily... MoonchildCA Oct 2014 #39
uhh..... you go outside philosslayer Oct 2014 #104
I'm sure she is aware of how stupid and overreacting it was to even have a voluntary quarantine. FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #19
The media does not want facts, they want to sell papers still_one Oct 2014 #30
We need to seal off New Jersey! progressoid Oct 2014 #34
This!!!! Daemonaquila Oct 2014 #45
Not stupid or overreacting. The nurse in Texas would disagree strongly with you. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #36
Posters on this thread are disgusted at her hypocrisy- not scared. JimDandy Oct 2014 #38
I agree that since she helped create the fear, she should be subjected to the over-reaction FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #40
Sound public health policy in the face of Ebola is NOT over-reacting. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #64
She was in her car, not in the restaurant Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #22
At some point, somebody had to open a car window to hand food in. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #54
If you read the article, the person who drove the car went into the restaurant to pick up the food Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #56
The person who drove the car and entered the restaurant is also supposed to be on quarantine Drayden Oct 2014 #70
do you have a link for that information? Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #92
After reading that other link which you provided for me, I found more here... countryjake Oct 2014 #95
What a fucking idiot... SidDithers Oct 2014 #23
What is a voluntary quarintine? Is that like being a little bit pregnant? still_one Oct 2014 #28
It means you agree to voluntarily stay in quarantine vs being locked up or having police outside uppityperson Oct 2014 #49
It is bs. they do it right or don't do it at all. still_one Oct 2014 #51
My wife works for a health department benld74 Oct 2014 #32
Mmmm, Grilled Peasant! nt LiberalEsto Oct 2014 #41
I'm sure she believes the ebola virus can't penetrate the rarefied air of a one percent doctor. kairos12 Oct 2014 #43
Hair on fire... Daemonaquila Oct 2014 #44
This is about NBC's HYPOCRISY JimDandy Oct 2014 #48
I know, that crazy hysteria bottomofthehill Oct 2014 #62
So what if the virus is brewing but not raging yet, she left the house, and was in a car crash? Avalux Oct 2014 #63
I wonder bullsnarfle Oct 2014 #69
That may be true, I suppose. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #75
This is why this shit spreads- everybody thinks they are special Lee-Lee Oct 2014 #57
Exactly. It's the hubris and denial that will get more people killed. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #66
Silly rules and laws don't apply to people at her level. lpbk2713 Oct 2014 #59
... Rex Oct 2014 #60
No need for quarantine for someone with no symptoms. morningfog Oct 2014 #67
Seriously? LisaL Oct 2014 #72
If they are monitoring with temp checks, morningfog Oct 2014 #73
Says who? LisaL Oct 2014 #76
Yep. Absolutely fine. morningfog Oct 2014 #79
OK. LisaL Oct 2014 #81
Her self-centered 'need' to go over there customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #85
A question for Nancy... Do you know the difference between ignorance and indifference? acegimoa Oct 2014 #86
Anybody heard any news of the status of her camera man? countryjake Oct 2014 #89
he's getting better Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #90
Thank you for that info! n/t countryjake Oct 2014 #94
He was washing out the car in which Ebola victim died. LisaL Oct 2014 #93
Just to clarify the timeline from my recollection. gvstn Oct 2014 #97
He'd just returned to Liberia on Sept. 4, worked on VICE News video on the 17th. countryjake Oct 2014 #100
Thanks for the more accurate timeline. gvstn Oct 2014 #101
That was heartbreaking, but powerful. Thank you for posting this. closeupready Oct 2014 #103
This message was self-deleted by its author vankuria Oct 2014 #96
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #102
Hey, the Grill makes a Euphoria Oct 2014 #105

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
12. The rich's selected representatives.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:40 AM
Oct 2014

After all, they are bought and paid for fair and square.

Has I win thread mine?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
37. Question: Why the rich don't need more friends, Alex?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:39 PM
Oct 2014

Answer: Just someone to fetch the carry-out when under house arrest.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
99. Having real friends demands a commitment. It's so much easier to just buy
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 12:17 AM
Oct 2014

a friend when you need one. The Beatles didn't have a clue when they claimed that money can't buy you love. The wealthy buy cars, houses, Congressional representatives and, yes, they buy love.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
13. I'm guessing it didn't generate the coverage she was expecting.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:43 AM
Oct 2014

I'm sure she thought NBC News would jump all over her noble and humanitarian gesture by giving her even more airtime. Didn't happen. So, to her, fuck it -- I'm going to to eat out.

Sorry to be so cynical, but all her pieces smack me as being more about her than anything else.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
20. They probably thought that, as a doctor, she would know the rules of isolation
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:10 PM
Oct 2014

She thought her "disguise" would suffice.. she was wrong.. shame on Dr Nancy

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
25. Duncan's family was initially under voluntary quarantine as well...
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:17 PM
Oct 2014

until they violated the quarantine, then it became a monitored, mandatory quarantine.

Sid

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
61. One would expect that most medical personnel would take isolation seriously.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:29 PM
Oct 2014

I suspect the good doctor thought she knew better than the public health professionals. She now joins the list of ebola contacts who are a menace to society.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
71. I always remember the 2000 election and seeing the news people talking about
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:34 PM
Oct 2014

"flyover states." Such snobbery doesn't appear out of thin air. They are part of the ruling class, the 4th branch of the government, remember? Just like those types would never go to a regular prison, if they were ever convicted of wrongdoing at all, that is. They would go to the country club "prisons" like white collar criminals, or wouldn't go at all. Half of them are CIA anyhow. They can do whatever they want and they know it. Naturally, they only have to do things if they want to. Therefore, for them, it is "voluntary," meaning they can do whatever the fuck they want.

I wish I could find the uncut footage of the 2000 election. Between their repeated use of "flyover states" and Norah O'Donnell just gushing about how wonderful Shrub was treating the media (it was truly sickening, she acted like a silly schoolgirl with a crush), I almost decided to wait until the next morning to see who won. Well, we see who won and who ended up getting to be president, because the fucking media was a damn stacked deck too that night. I will also never forget that night how many on the main news networks kept gushing about how Jeb Bush "delivered" Florida to Shrub, as promised. Remember, the first to call it for Idiot Son was his own cousin over at Faux News.

So, as you can see, MSM are part of the ruling class, snobs from the get-go, and immune to things the rest of us would have to do.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
98. Yes I understand and agree. There are two classes in America. The American Aristocract and the
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 12:11 AM
Oct 2014

rest of us.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
9. She lost credibility a while ago
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:34 AM
Oct 2014

There was a reason why she was fired from ABC News

She only discloses the information that helps her at the time. She never told her bosses at ABC about her involvement with Johnson & Johnson and then does a fluff piece on Johnson & Johnson.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
10. Never could stand her.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:39 AM
Oct 2014

That said, though, I'm a little surprised that she didn't milk this for all that it's worth.

NBC News special: "Life In Voluntary Quarantine with Dr. Nancy Snyderman." Surprised she'd miss that obvious ego-stroke, but I guess she must have been really hungry for a restaurant meal after her tour of Ebola country. (It really bugs that she goes to these places of crisis and seems to only get in the way.)

Here's hoping NBC cuts her loose.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
26. From the second NBC said they had hired a white cameraman
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:20 PM
Oct 2014

in Liberia, who they said became sick the day after he was hired, I put all my betting money ($1) on the guess that they were going to film the whole 'recovering from Ebola' process as an exclusive made-for TV special and milk it for all it was worth. ('recovering' because the white guy had immediate quality care, was flown by private jet to the, so far, for-whites-only expensive, all stops pulled out, special care center in Nebraska.)

How incredibly opportune that situation fell in their lap. I'm such a cynic any more, that that's where my mind first went. Actually hope I'm wrong though.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
42. Hah! You're not alone, JimDandy! My mind went immediately to the NBC Bean-Counters.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:09 PM
Oct 2014

My first thought was - SHIT, they must be SO pissed off!!! He's exposed to it before they hire him, but then after they hired him, THIS. And now they might be stuck paying for it. Now, I don't know all the specifics, was he part time and not eligible for any company insurance plan - or what?

It's just the first thing that came to my mind. FAR more a concern for how much it's gonna cost them, as opposed to concern for the simple well-being of one of their employees. There are people in the budget department RIGHT THIS INSTANT who are hellbent on figuring out how to penny-pinch him and cheap it out.

GOD, I HATE the PROFIT-ONLY MENTALITY that runs this country!!!!!! DAMMIT!!!!!!

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
46. Okay, now I feel worse
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:17 PM
Oct 2014

because I am so jaded I was thinking they might have hired him because he had Ebola and they wanted to insert themselves in the story and get an exclusive by filming the treatment process from start to finish.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
52. That's like something out of "Network", lol.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:28 PM
Oct 2014

Can't you just see Faye Dunaway, eyes blazing, "that's BRILLIANT!"

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
53. Never seen that movie
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:34 PM
Oct 2014

and have heard it recommended for years!

Makes me feel better that my speculation might not be too far out of the realm of possibility if Hollywood already thought some scenario like that was possible.

Response to JimDandy (Reply #53)

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
78. See it asap!
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:59 PM
Oct 2014

Intended as a spoof, and at the time people felt it was so out there things could never go that far. Oh, so wrong. It predicted precisely what happens when the news divisions become profit centers rather that a public service networks were supposed to provide in exchange for their broadcast licenses.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
82. Alright, I will find it this month.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:06 PM
Oct 2014

Thanks for the synopsis. Sounds like watching it now won't produce any dissonance in a current day audience, since it simply will reflect reality.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
4. Where are all the people that ripped on Duncan's family
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:25 AM
Oct 2014

for violating a quarantine? Snyderman is a rich white doctor. Double standard much?



 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
6. Seriously. "If Dr. Nancy can violate a quarantine, I can, too."
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:32 AM
Oct 2014

You just KNOW that's what her fans will think.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
11. Thanks. But don't worry, malaise - she's a doctor!
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:39 AM
Oct 2014

Doctors NEVER do anything unprofessional, stupid, dangerous or unwise.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
14. I'm sure she thinks she knows, but that isn't the point.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:46 AM
Oct 2014

Nancy has probably been monitoring herself and I'm sure (hopefully?), she'd get herself to a hospital the second she noticed anything that might be a symptom of Ebola. I'm sure she wanted to get out of the house and thought it would be ok to drive to the restaurant if she stayed in the car.

That said - she's a public figure and needs to set an example for others. Whether or not she thinks she knows better, she needs to honor the quarantine.

Now she just appears to be pretentious and irresponsible.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. Pretentious and irresponsible.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:04 PM
Oct 2014

Obeying a quarantine is a small price to pay for public safety. We are all in this one together. If a quarantine is suggested, it should be followed.

Surely we can make that tiny sacrifice for the public good.

I cannot trust a reporter who is unable or unwilling to obey even a voluntary quarantine. News reporting is a public trust, an obligation to tell the truth and to care for the public good. How can a news reporter be, as Avalux points out, so irresponsible?

NBC should put her on administrative leave.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
65. Not only is she a reporter, she's a physician.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:46 PM
Oct 2014

It makes me angry she didn't comply - I can't give her any leeway for ignorance. I agree she should be placed on administrative leave.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
21. Here's how -
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:11 PM
Oct 2014

authorities ask you to observe a voluntary quarantine for a week; two days later, you go out shopping or get a snack from your favorite restaurant. THAT's how.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
24. But if it's voluntary, then it sounds like you're free to comply or not. They should have just
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:13 PM
Oct 2014

instituted a mandatory quarantine in the first place. This is the same mistake they made with the Duncan family.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
35. You obviously didn't read my post, since I said this should have been MANDATORY
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:38 PM
Oct 2014

in the first place, just as the one for Duncan's family should have been. And I don't understand why the niece has been under "voluntary" quarantine this whole time.

Neighbors of ours were under quarantine for Scarlet Fever decades ago, and it was not "voluntary" and everyone knew it.

And, no, I don't watch Snyderman.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
77. I am not a fan either, but I do know the meaning of the word "voluntary."
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:59 PM
Oct 2014

I assume she's showing no symptoms and she didn't go into the restaurant--she picked up some other idiot to go do that for her.

Now, perhaps, the bozo who went in to get the dinner needs to be monitored for the next three weeks...?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
80. Since we do not live under martial law, measures like this will
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:03 PM
Oct 2014

almost always be voluntary, of course. She must know that she's - prior to this point - been considered a public health authority; people watch her and listen to her advice, follow her example. On so many levels, this was an unforgiveable lapse of judgment. Illegal? No. Stupid? Unquestionably.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
84. No--not true. Individual city and town health departments can institute mandatory quarantines.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:14 PM
Oct 2014

This was an unsurprising practice back in the "old days" before vaccinations when measles and other contagious diseases were common.

The town health department official would come to your home and nail a large, embarrassing sign on the front door, that could only be removed by that official once the danger had passed. Fines occurred if the family did not comply with the order.

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uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
47. I think it means you agree to stay in quarantine rather than being locked up or having cops
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:20 PM
Oct 2014

outside your door making you stay there. But I agree, the term does have a couple meanings.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
58. It just means that there aren't armed guards at your door forcing you to stay inside.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:20 PM
Oct 2014

It's 'voluntary' because they have asked you to comply, and you WILLINGLY do so because it's in the interest of public health.

Just because Nancy was able to leave her home, doesn't mean it was ok to do so.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
68. 2 out of 3 "voluntarily" quarantined didn't realize what it meant, apparently.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 03:35 PM
Oct 2014

So I think they should just tell people they're quarantined, and not call it voluntary, since it isn't.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
83. Well, it IS voluntary if no one is outside your door forcing you to stay inside.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:10 PM
Oct 2014

Does that make sense? You can call it what you like, but in the absence of an armed guard, it's impossible to make someone stay in their home without them being willing to do it. So it's voluntary.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
87. To me, it sounds as voluntary as a "voluntarily lay-off," when the only alternative they give you
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:22 PM
Oct 2014

is an "involuntary lay-off."


MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
39. If you are doing something voluntarily...
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:47 PM
Oct 2014

... And you stop, you have violated that voluntary action.

Violate - to break, infringe, or transgress (a law, rule, agreement, promise, instructions, etc.).

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
19. I'm sure she is aware of how stupid and overreacting it was to even have a voluntary quarantine.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:10 PM
Oct 2014

Everyone calm the fuck down and stop being so scared. Compared to other illnesses and risks in this country Ebola is nothing, nada, zilch.

You are not going to catch it. Period.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
38. Posters on this thread are disgusted at her hypocrisy- not scared.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:41 PM
Oct 2014

NBC and Snyderman hyped the whole 'ooh we've got a cameraman with Ebola' and inserted themselves in the story. Won't be surprised if they are working on an exclusive program called 'Recovering from Ebola', featuring their recently acquired Ebola diagnosed cameraman, the Nebraska isolation center, and Snyderman. Snyderman may be written out of the script after doing this though.

When NBC News has a segment on their national news about Duncan's family violating a voluntary quarantine, and then their own doctor, whom they trotted out to cover the Ebola crisis in West Africa, violates her voluntary quarantine...Well That's Hypocrisy. (No Amore for her).

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
40. I agree that since she helped create the fear, she should be subjected to the over-reaction
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:50 PM
Oct 2014

If only the rest of the media did too. Unfortunately, Ebola stories are ratings gold right now and will they continue to cash in until the public tires of the whole thing.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
64. Sound public health policy in the face of Ebola is NOT over-reacting.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:43 PM
Oct 2014

You remind me of the asshats who say cats don't need rabies shots because they've never personally seen a rabid cat. You think you know it all.

Please do tell us all where you got YOUR expertise in epidemiology and public health.

Beaverhausen

(24,467 posts)
22. She was in her car, not in the restaurant
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:12 PM
Oct 2014

If she went from her house to her car and back to her house, is there really a danger she could infect someone else?

I'm just wondering.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
54. At some point, somebody had to open a car window to hand food in.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:52 PM
Oct 2014

If we assume she wasn't just there to sit in her car. If she'd just started to have symptoms, and hadn't realized it yet (aka, had started the infectious phase) and happened to sneeze in the face of the person delivering the food, transmission could potentially occur.

Lots of ifs and low chances? Sure. But the whole point of 'abundance of caution' is to reduce that change to 0%, not 0.01% or whatever it might be if it turns out she actually is infected.

Beaverhausen

(24,467 posts)
56. If you read the article, the person who drove the car went into the restaurant to pick up the food
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:19 PM
Oct 2014

and yes, I guess if he carried any liquids from her body somewhere on him, I guess he could have infected the restaurant.

 

Drayden

(146 posts)
70. The person who drove the car and entered the restaurant is also supposed to be on quarantine
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 03:45 PM
Oct 2014

He is a member of her staff. This was beyond stupid.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
95. After reading that other link which you provided for me, I found more here...
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:08 PM
Oct 2014
NBC Chief Medical Correspondent Accused of Violating Ebola Quarantine to Visit Her Favorite Soup Restaurant - Forcing the Entire Crew into Mandatory Isolation

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790507/nbc-chief-medical-correspondent-accused-violating-ebola-quarantine-visit-favorite-soup-restaurant.html

Witnesses claimed the physician and broadcaster wore sunglasses with her hair in a ponytail as she pulled up outside the restaurant and a man dashed in to grab the order, according to TMZ.

The website confirmed today the man who ran inside was a member of the NBC crew who was also under quarantine.



Can't be sure how reliable the info may be, since his identity isn't actually confirmed.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
23. What a fucking idiot...
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:12 PM
Oct 2014

There should be consequences for actions like that. Censure from the state medical board at minimum.

Sid

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
49. It means you agree to voluntarily stay in quarantine vs being locked up or having police outside
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:21 PM
Oct 2014

your door making you stay there.

benld74

(9,889 posts)
32. My wife works for a health department
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:29 PM
Oct 2014

a few years/office managers back a Xmas party was held. At the managers home, really nice home. Must attend type of party. All was good until I went to the food area and saw said manager refilling the meat, cheese, with bare hands,,,,,which had remnants of potato salad on them from scooping and refilling that tray,,,,

I left my dish on the table, walked away, notified our group, who left their plates where they sat. Luckily no illnesses were reported,,,,

SOME people just don't get it,,,,,,,,,,

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
44. Hair on fire...
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:16 PM
Oct 2014

So. What?

Let's see... she isn't symptomatic therefore she is not contagious, she didn't go into the restaurant, and she had a friend pick up a takeout order so she wouldn't subject others to even the slightest risk from her presence. Sounds like reasonable precautions to me. Really, do you think that anyone in the areas where ebola is running rampant even has the same opportunity to take this level of precautions?

This sounds just like the hysteria that accompanied the beginning of the AIDS crisis.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
48. This is about NBC's HYPOCRISY
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:21 PM
Oct 2014

not any worry about Ebola contagion.

NBC produced a segment on their national news about Duncan's family violating their voluntary quarantine. When their own doctor whom they used in their Ebola segments violates her voluntary quarantine are we expected to ignore that hypocrisy?

bottomofthehill

(8,262 posts)
62. I know, that crazy hysteria
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:32 PM
Oct 2014

It's not like many people died of AIDs . Voluntary quarantine
....I don't think so

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
63. So what if the virus is brewing but not raging yet, she left the house, and was in a car crash?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:33 PM
Oct 2014

A really bloody car crash and she ended up needing surgery...during this time becomes symptomatic? What she did sounds so harmless, and of course she knows because she a doc, right?

If people decide they know better than a voluntary quarantine and disregard it, what would happen if thousands and thousands were quarantined? Can't have armed guards for all of them. Everyone need to understand the importance of a voluntary quarantine. If someone like Nancy, who has a microphone and is presented as an expert to the public doesn't comply with it, doesn't make it seem as if it's not important?

bullsnarfle

(254 posts)
69. I wonder
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 03:44 PM
Oct 2014

how her "friend" feels about potentially being exposed to Ebola? I wonder if Dr. S could have even already infected her friend (or others) and not know it?
I know if there was ANY possibility of MY being infected, I wouldn't go near my friends, family, or even total strangers (except medical professionals) if you held a gun on me.

Oh, and re: AIDS, I do not remember any "hysteria" at the beginning of it...as a matter of fact, just the opposite. Maybe if there HAD been some hair-on-fire hysteria, instead of the damn Reagan bunch ignoring it, no-funding it, and burying it, some of the 21.8 MILLION men, women, and children who are dead might not be.

According to AIDS.org: &quot A)n estimated 21.8 million people have died of AIDS (17.5 million adults and 4.3 million children under 15)."

But, nothing to worry about folks, now everybody go shopping.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
75. That may be true, I suppose.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:45 PM
Oct 2014

I still honestly think it would have been better if she'd just stayed home altogether, and then asked her friend to get the meal. Then there wouldn't be such a mess, ya know?

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
57. This is why this shit spreads- everybody thinks they are special
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:19 PM
Oct 2014

Thomas Duncan knew he was exposed, made the irresponsible decision to fly to the U.S. and lied on his screening- exposing and throwing lots of other lives into chaos and exposing at least one other.

Duncan's family refused the voluntary quarantine and had to be forced.

Synderman is sure she knows best and is special, so she acts irresponsibly.

And so many others will as this goes on. More people will fly over knowing they were exposed, more people exposed will circulate in public.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
66. Exactly. It's the hubris and denial that will get more people killed.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:50 PM
Oct 2014

"Only those icky brown people can spread Ebola. Not us rich white folks."

lpbk2713

(42,696 posts)
59. Silly rules and laws don't apply to people at her level.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:26 PM
Oct 2014



They are only intended to keep the bourgeoisie in line.


 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
73. If they are monitoring with temp checks,
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:38 PM
Oct 2014

and report as soon as it spikes, that is plenty soon enough.

People aren't be in infected in the early stages.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
76. Says who?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:47 PM
Oct 2014

What are you qualifications to make such statements?
If she were to sit on the plane when her fever spiked, would that be fine and dandy?

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
85. Her self-centered 'need' to go over there
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:15 PM
Oct 2014

already has cost the health of one of her lackeys.

We don't need anyone from over here to go over there just to tell us that things are fucked, we already know that. I hold the other media doctors in the same contempt as I hold Snyderman.

acegimoa

(1 post)
86. A question for Nancy... Do you know the difference between ignorance and indifference?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:19 PM
Oct 2014

I would like Nancy to answer a question before her team prepares a well written "appall-ogy". Was she not aware that mothers, fathers, and children live in NJ that may not want to be "potentially" exposed to Ebola? Sadly, that may be the only apology acceptable. Because there is a difference between ignorance and indifference. I can't help but wonder what her report would say - if it was discovered that one of these NJ mothers, fathers, or children decided to go for take-out when under quarantine. Would she defend that person (and would NBC support her words) publicly saying something such as 'I understand - your food craving is way more important than the health and safety of the rest of the world.. and how considerate of a person you must be to have waited in the car' . There is fault forever on her fingertips as she has just planted the idea that any person under quarantine can say "Well, I was (insert any choice action here) so I left quarantine." Shame.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
89. Anybody heard any news of the status of her camera man?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:26 PM
Oct 2014

I would think that being aware that a member of her filming crew has already been hospitalized with Ebola should be enough to cue a doctor that certain practical precautions do need to be followed.

I still want to know how Mr. Mukpo managed to be exposed while they were doing their story in Liberia, but I've not heard many reports on his case, at all. Just that he was transported to Nebraska after symptoms appeared and he seemed to be improving last Friday.

LisaL

(44,962 posts)
93. He was washing out the car in which Ebola victim died.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:59 PM
Oct 2014

He thinks he got infected during the process of washing the car.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
97. Just to clarify the timeline from my recollection.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:19 PM
Oct 2014

Mr. Mukpo lived in Liberia (or perhaps some other part of West Africa) for three years. He only started work for NBC the day before he fell ill. So he thought he was healthy and was hired as a second cameraman for the NBC crew as a freelancer, presumably because he was an American and spoke English. The second day on the job he showed symptoms and so those who had been working with him were sent home in an abundance of caution.

NBCNews gave Snyderman's non-apology on tonight's news. "Members of our crew"


http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/13/dr-nancy-snyderman-ebola-quarantine-statement-symptoms-nbc-news/#comments-fullwrapper

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
100. He'd just returned to Liberia on Sept. 4, worked on VICE News video on the 17th.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 11:42 AM
Oct 2014

After watching VICE's film, I honestly can't get too worked up over the kerfuffle created by Dr. Snyderman's little soup-run; she is correct to point out that she and her NBC colleagues haven't got any fevers.

On the other hand, the situation in Liberia and the rest of West Africa is horrific. They are dying for help in Africa!



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Euphoria

(448 posts)
105. Hey, the Grill makes a
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 08:27 PM
Oct 2014

mean sandwich and salad plate! I always go for the grilled vegetable panini, myself.

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