Sun Oct 12, 2014, 10:03 PM
applegrove (111,187 posts)
"Ebola Vaccine Would Likely Have Been Found By Now If Not For Budget Cuts: NIH Director"
Ebola Vaccine Would Likely Have Been Found By Now If Not For Budget Cuts: NIH Director
by Sam Stein at the Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/12/ebola-vaccine_n_5974148.html?utm_hp_ref=politics "SNIP......................... BETHESDA, Md. -- As the federal government frantically works to combat the Ebola outbreak in West Africa, and as it responds to a second diagnosis of the disease at home, one of the country's top health officials says a vaccine likely would have already been discovered were it not for budget cuts. Dr. Francis Collins, the head of the National Institutes of Health, said that a decade of stagnant spending has "slowed down" research on all items, including vaccinations for infectious diseases. As a result, he said, the international community has been left playing catch-up on a potentially avoidable humanitarian catastrophe. "NIH has been working on Ebola vaccines since 2001. It's not like we suddenly woke up and thought, 'Oh my gosh, we should have something ready here,'" Collins told The Huffington Post on Friday. "Frankly, if we had not gone through our 10-year slide in research support, we probably would have had a vaccine in time for this that would've gone through clinical trials and would have been ready." It's not just the production of a vaccine that has been hampered by money shortfalls. Collins also said that some therapeutics to fight Ebola "were on a slower track than would've been ideal, or that would have happened if we had been on a stable research support trajectory." ...........................SNIP"
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applegrove | Oct 2014 | OP |
Historic NY | Oct 2014 | #1 | |
applegrove | Oct 2014 | #2 | |
WhiteAndNerdy | Oct 2014 | #7 | |
global1 | Oct 2014 | #16 | |
Tommymac | Oct 2014 | #23 | |
ann--- | Oct 2014 | #27 | |
global1 | Oct 2014 | #30 | |
ann--- | Oct 2014 | #40 | |
dflprincess | Oct 2014 | #49 | |
ann--- | Oct 2014 | #53 | |
dflprincess | Oct 2014 | #54 | |
YOHABLO | Oct 2014 | #55 | |
delete_bush | Oct 2014 | #31 | |
Cha | Oct 2014 | #3 | |
burrowowl | Oct 2014 | #4 | |
adirondacker | Oct 2014 | #6 | |
RockaFowler | Oct 2014 | #41 | |
redruddyred | Oct 2014 | #60 | |
davidn3600 | Oct 2014 | #5 | |
mazzarro | Oct 2014 | #17 | |
dbackjon | Oct 2014 | #28 | |
JI7 | Oct 2014 | #46 | |
redruddyred | Oct 2014 | #59 | |
Iliyah | Oct 2014 | #8 | |
Kablooie | Oct 2014 | #9 | |
kairos12 | Oct 2014 | #12 | |
ann--- | Oct 2014 | #29 | |
DrBulldog | Oct 2014 | #10 | |
kairos12 | Oct 2014 | #11 | |
dflprincess | Oct 2014 | #50 | |
young_at_heart | Oct 2014 | #13 | |
kairos12 | Oct 2014 | #56 | |
ReRe | Oct 2014 | #14 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Oct 2014 | #15 | |
Hugin | Oct 2014 | #22 | |
johnnyreb | Oct 2014 | #18 | |
Turbineguy | Oct 2014 | #19 | |
goldent | Oct 2014 | #20 | |
WillyT | Oct 2014 | #21 | |
Avalux | Oct 2014 | #24 | |
redruddyred | Oct 2014 | #58 | |
heaven05 | Oct 2014 | #25 | |
HockeyMom | Oct 2014 | #37 | |
heaven05 | Oct 2014 | #39 | |
applegrove | Oct 2014 | #38 | |
TomCADem | Oct 2014 | #26 | |
randome | Oct 2014 | #32 | |
blackspade | Oct 2014 | #33 | |
joeglow3 | Oct 2014 | #34 | |
valerief | Oct 2014 | #36 | |
valerief | Oct 2014 | #35 | |
B2G | Oct 2014 | #42 | |
blkmusclmachine | Oct 2014 | #43 | |
Kingofalldems | Oct 2014 | #44 | |
HereSince1628 | Oct 2014 | #45 | |
grahamhgreen | Oct 2014 | #47 | |
DrBulldog | Oct 2014 | #48 | |
AllyCat | Oct 2014 | #51 | |
BeyondGeography | Oct 2014 | #52 | |
Hekate | Oct 2014 | #57 | |
kelliekat44 | Oct 2014 | #61 | |
applegrove | Oct 2014 | #62 | |
ctaylors6 | Oct 2014 | #63 | |
Raine | Oct 2014 | #64 |
Response to applegrove (Original post)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 10:28 PM
Historic NY (36,508 posts)
1. Thanks GOP,
ps who is our surgeon General Mr. Bohner?
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Response to Historic NY (Reply #1)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 10:35 PM
applegrove (111,187 posts)
2. Yup. McCain just called for an ebola czar.... shouldn't that be the surgeon general?
Response to applegrove (Reply #2)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:02 PM
WhiteAndNerdy (365 posts)
7. Good point. nt
Response to applegrove (Reply #2)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:07 AM
global1 (24,305 posts)
16. With The Nov Election Just Weeks Away - The Dems Should Make An Issue Of Not Getting The President's
pick for Surgeon General approved. It is the Repubs that are blocking that. Why aren't the Dems shouting that out on all the MSM news programs.
What are we waiting for - the Repubs to make an issue that because of Obamacare hospitals have cut back on infection prevention spending and cut back on staff to remain profitable. Are we waiting for them to go on the offensive. If McCain called for an 'ebola czar' - turn it around on him and say - hey approve the President's Surgeon General. |
Response to global1 (Reply #16)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 09:25 AM
Tommymac (7,233 posts)
23. Because neoliberals don't really want to let progressive populists take control of the party?
Welcome to the kabuki.
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Response to global1 (Reply #16)
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Response to ann--- (Reply #27)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:11 AM
global1 (24,305 posts)
30. Right - It's The President's Fault We Don't Have A Surgeon General Because....
he's picked someone that the Repubs don't like. Or is is because maybe anyone he picks won't be acceptable to them - because they are obstructing everything he does.
So let's just get the President to pick someone else - right. That will solve things. Do you detect the sarcasm in my response? |
Response to global1 (Reply #30)
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Response to ann--- (Reply #40)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:28 PM
dflprincess (27,315 posts)
49. Do you really think they'd confirm anyone Obama nominated now?
And they'd turn it all around (with the help of MSM) and make it look like it was his fault there wasn't a SG in place already.
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Response to dflprincess (Reply #49)
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Response to ann--- (Reply #53)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:59 PM
dflprincess (27,315 posts)
54. I agree
but there's no way they're going to approve one - no matter who Obama nominates and they'd just use a new nominee against him.
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Response to global1 (Reply #30)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:59 PM
YOHABLO (7,358 posts)
55. It particularly was opposed by the NRA and Libertarian Rand Paul. Guns Guns Guns
They're going to take away our GUNS!!
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Response to ann--- (Reply #27)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:40 AM
delete_bush (1,712 posts)
31. Doing so would probably be a good way out of a
bad situation (i.e., the R's holding up the nomination).
My limited understanding of this is that there are also 10 D's who are not backing him. He's 36 years old and completed his residency a mere 8 years ago. It looks like he's done a lot of worthwhile things since then, but he's also been very politically active for Obama. Obama could address the nation on Ebola, explain how the R's are holding up this critical position, and nominate someone else. We get a SG, the R's are embarrassed (if that's possible), and Mr. Murthy still has many productive years ahead of him. |
Response to applegrove (Original post)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 10:36 PM
Cha (282,453 posts)
3. Thank you, applegrove.. I just saw this on another site and was looking to see if it were here.
It's not just the production of a vaccine that has been hampered by money shortfalls. Collins also said that some therapeutics to fight Ebola "were on a slower track than would've been ideal, or that would have happened if we had been on a stable research support trajectory."
"We would have been a year or two ahead of where we are, which would have made all the difference," he said. |
Response to applegrove (Original post)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 10:45 PM
burrowowl (16,578 posts)
4. That's for Damn Sure!
Damn the Drug Companies and their profiteering from NIH and the Repukes cutting funding and, and .....
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Response to burrowowl (Reply #4)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 10:53 PM
adirondacker (2,921 posts)
6. I heard a remark on NPR stating that if it was profitable, Big Pharma would have had the cure years
ago.
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Response to adirondacker (Reply #6)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:56 PM
RockaFowler (7,429 posts)
41. The same for Cancer
Sickness is a big business
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Response to adirondacker (Reply #6)
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 07:30 PM
redruddyred (1,615 posts)
60. that should not surprise any fans of DU.
the profit margins on these drugs are obscene.
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 10:50 PM
davidn3600 (6,342 posts)
5. No guarantees. They haven't found a HIV vaccine either despite all the money and research
Response to davidn3600 (Reply #5)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:07 AM
mazzarro (3,450 posts)
17. That is assuming that HIV research has been fully funded all along - which I doubt. -- n/t
Response to davidn3600 (Reply #5)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:36 AM
dbackjon (6,578 posts)
28. But they do have a very effective therapies
Response to davidn3600 (Reply #5)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:31 PM
JI7 (87,638 posts)
46. not a cure, but they have been able to make it manageable
and people are able to live a very good life as long as they get the care .
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Response to JI7 (Reply #46)
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 07:28 PM
redruddyred (1,615 posts)
59. HIV is no longer a death sentence
not too bad considering the severity of the illness and the challenges of retroviral therapy.
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:23 PM
Iliyah (25,111 posts)
8. K & R
GOPers are to busy doing the bidding of their masters while the true Americans get less while "we" are paying the most in taxes. AIDs outbreak should have never went as far as it did. The negligent of higher ups ignored the potential devastation because in their eyes it dealt with "dark people" and "homosexuals". The monies still provides for research in AIDs which is important even to this date, same with Cancer.
The GOP house cut what Pres O requested monetary wise for Ebola, if the Senate Dems tried to request more, Senate GOPers would have blocked it and therefore the monies would have remained in limbo, because GOPers only care about self (1-2%ers) and no matter what, they have enough potential vaccines to save self and eff anyone else. |
Response to applegrove (Original post)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:26 PM
Kablooie (18,028 posts)
9. Don't worry. The private sector will take up the slack.
What do you mean they didn't do it?
... Well, of course they didn't because Benghazi! It's obvious. All you have to do is apply a little cigol. |
Response to Kablooie (Reply #9)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:40 PM
kairos12 (11,946 posts)
12. Bush's Thousand Points of Blights.
Response to Kablooie (Reply #9)
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:32 PM
DrBulldog (841 posts)
10. Some day in the future the historians will tally up all the lives ruined and destroyed ...
... - and all the myriad ways it was done - by the Republican Party of the United States, 1981-2017.
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:38 PM
kairos12 (11,946 posts)
11. Austerity Land is where we reside courtesy of Republi-cons.
They will wake up only when they realize ebola doesn't respect gated communities and private security.
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Response to kairos12 (Reply #11)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:30 PM
dflprincess (27,315 posts)
50. They'll find out that being the ruling class in a third world country - which is where they've been
trying to take us - isn't all they thought it would be.
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:46 PM
young_at_heart (3,661 posts)
13. If you have a heart and a conscience you won't vote for any Republican
They simply don't care about anything other than their own interests!
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Response to young_at_heart (Reply #13)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 09:07 PM
kairos12 (11,946 posts)
56. Agree 1000 percent.
Response to applegrove (Original post)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:49 PM
ReRe (10,597 posts)
14. But, but, but....
.... GWB's wars. Wars are more important than research for antibiotics and serums to treat such things as the super bug and mere ebola. USA! USA! USA!
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:03 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
15. Everyone forgets the sequester.
Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #15)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:04 AM
Hugin (31,217 posts)
22. Which is still in full effect... BTW.
Yep, the shutdown smokescreen worked perfectly.
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:16 AM
johnnyreb (915 posts)
18. Why should I pay fer mah neighbor's contagion!
(chaw, spit, twang!)
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:36 AM
Turbineguy (35,678 posts)
19. Diseases and Terrorists
the republican's best friends.
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:43 AM
goldent (1,582 posts)
20. I think he was wrong to say that.
Medical research has a spotty record at producing results.
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:02 AM
WillyT (72,631 posts)
21. K & R !!!
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 09:37 AM
Avalux (35,015 posts)
24. I hate that they have to use Ebola as an example - been a problem for a long time.
Infectious Diseases research in general has been grossly underfunded....depending on for profit big pharma to develop anti-infectives only leaves us at risk for falling behind to where we are unable to stop the tiny little organisms that invade and consume human bodies. However that's what's happened, and as a result we are way behind the curve.
It's been decades and decades since penicillin and vaccination discoveries....we should be better prepared. Ebola is the canary in the coal mine and we need to take heed. |
Response to Avalux (Reply #24)
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 07:27 PM
redruddyred (1,615 posts)
58. that's because SCOTUS thinks microbes are intellectual property
actually it's a trend which started in the 80s but we are seeing the effects of it now in epidemics such as lyme, ebola, drug-resistant tb.
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 09:52 AM
heaven05 (18,124 posts)
25. huh???
Last edited Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:56 PM - Edit history (1) what about the people that got infected(volunteers) and were flown back to america and were cured by some 'experimental' vaccine? I'm sure I read about that somewhere. Can't find it though. Been removed from search engines.
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Response to heaven05 (Reply #25)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:32 PM
HockeyMom (14,337 posts)
37. Yes, they do with something they don't want you to see
Internet isn't controlled? Seen that happen. I bookmarked an old typewriter typed report (photocopy) from a 60s study of mutated strain of measles. Went back to get it several times but got 404 Error Message.
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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #37)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:59 PM
heaven05 (18,124 posts)
39. Yeah, well I remember all the CT's
about HIV and I always knew that if you smell smoke, there is a fire somewhere. No matter how well hidden.
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Response to heaven05 (Reply #25)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:40 PM
applegrove (111,187 posts)
38. They only had limited amounts of that treatment.
Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:21 AM
TomCADem (17,258 posts)
26. Extreme Right Had Been Claiming Ebola Is A False Flag Operation...
...from several months ago, so that is their ready answer.
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:44 AM
randome (34,845 posts)
32. Keep hammering home the Sequester and the government shutdown. It's all on the GOP's hands.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:52 AM
blackspade (10,056 posts)
33. Thanks Rethuglicants!
Each American Ebola death is on you (as well as Africans who would have had access to the vaccine as well)!
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:52 AM
joeglow3 (6,228 posts)
34. Sorry, but I am skeptical
You know what they say: "Never let a good tragedy go to waste."
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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #34)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:13 PM
valerief (53,235 posts)
36. You stole that from "The Disruptors Handbook," didn't you? nt
Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:06 PM
valerief (53,235 posts)
35. "Yeah, but our guys let us have our guns!!!! Wahoo!!!!
"Ain't nothin' more important than having guns!!!!"
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 03:16 PM
B2G (9,766 posts)
42. Let's pretend they had double the budget
Ebola had only killed 1582 people in total until now...since 1976.
I have no reason to believe it would have been a priority for them. In fact it strains the imagination to believe it would have been. |
Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:06 PM
blkmusclmachine (16,149 posts)
43. Lay it right at the GOP's door. Right where it belongs.
Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:27 PM
Kingofalldems (36,812 posts)
44. Kick this for the GOP crew.
Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:30 PM
HereSince1628 (36,063 posts)
45. So it's grist for the political mill...meh!
AMONG AMERICANS with nothing to gain by politicizing but wanting control over a very frightening virus, who the fuck cares?
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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #45)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 07:56 PM
grahamhgreen (15,741 posts)
47. Disagree. This is exactly why we need to raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for programs that protect
us all.
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:18 PM
DrBulldog (841 posts)
48. Now it has turned out to be a race between the spreading of ebola and ...
... the widespread incompetence of the Texas hospital system.
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:37 PM
AllyCat (13,890 posts)
51. F$ckin' Republicans
Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:39 PM
BeyondGeography (38,518 posts)
52. Republicans are such miserable fucks at heart
eom
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:12 PM
Hekate (81,827 posts)
57. About damn time someone said this.
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Response to applegrove (Original post)
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 07:39 PM
kelliekat44 (7,759 posts)
61. I call a little BS on this too.
You have to look at where NIH and Pharmaceutical companies put their priorities. NIH has plenty of money but politics enters into the equation there also. The high visibility diseases...cancer, heart, get the bulk of the funding because that's what congress wants and pharmaceutical companies, ever mindful of their profit motive, cater their drug research to where they will get the most consumers. They have funds to perform the research for vaccines for Ebola...they just don't think enough people suffer from the disease to make a huge profit. And big Pharma wants the NIH to fund and fund the basic research and then they will step in, license the drugs, and charge the consumers an arm and a leg for something that essentially was mostly funded by taxpayer money in the first place. AND you better believe that many NIH officials and researchers have stocks in all those big Pharma companies. The system stinks from the top to the bottom...the bottom being your medical specialist who also has stock in the companies whose pills they push.
It's really complicated they way it works. But the way it SHOULD work is simple. |
Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #61)
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 07:44 PM
applegrove (111,187 posts)
62. Canada found a researcher in Europe who wanted to do great
work on ebola. They hired him. He moved to Winnipeg and ran the research at a government lab. They are now testing that vaccine on Americans.....no chance of getting ebola while you're on it. But that is how public health works. The market would never have tried for a vaccine for a virus that up to then had only affected a few thousand people in poor rural areas in Africa. It needed nonmarket thinking to come to pass.
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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #61)
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 07:53 PM
ctaylors6 (693 posts)