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(85,986 posts)
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 01:34 PM Apr 2012

Toni Morrison: "At some level, you know, it hurts. It really hurts."




____ When Barack Obama was elected, Toni Morrison says, it was the first time she felt truly American. "I felt very powerfully patriotic when I went to the inauguration of Barack Obama. I felt like a kid. The marines and the flag, which I never look at – all of a sudden it looked… nice. Worthy. It only lasted a couple of hours. But I was amazed, that music that I really don't like – God Bless America is a dumb song; I mean it's not beautiful. But I really felt that, for that little moment."

Now every other week from the stump Newt Gingrich refers to Obama as the "food-stamp president"; Mitt Romney accuses him of wanting to turn America into a "welfare state". Morrison does not take this language to be racially neutral. "Oh, that's very deliberate. Welfare, food stamps; gangs. They have a whole vocabulary of code. Some overt, come covert." She finds it "hateful", but beyond that embarrassing – "Really embarrassing for my country."

Look, she says: "I used to think there was a Republican attitude and language that, although I vehemently disagreed with it because I thought it was fraudulent, it wasn't dumb. It made some sort of sense. If you really and truly think that the United States is free, and capital is free – none of that's true, but if you really believe it – you can develop an argument that's not embarrassing. But they don't do that any more. They use coded words. Did you see that the other day – Rick Santorum said 'the man in the Whitehouse is a government nig – uh?"

Yes, he says he misspoke. Morrison bursts out laughing. "He said he didn't say that! They used to say 'government nigger' when black people got jobs in the post office, stuff like that. And that's what he was saying. And earlier he said, 'I don't want to take your money and give it to bla – people.' He catches himself right at the vowel. Man. I guess it was worse in South Africa before Mandela, but I can't do it any more." She sighs. "At some level, you know, it hurts. It really hurts."


read: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/apr/13/toni-morrison-home-son-love?newsfeed=true


Morrison in 1985. Photograph: Corbis
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Toni Morrison: "At some level, you know, it hurts. It really hurts." (Original Post) bigtree Apr 2012 OP
And Ms. Morrison couldn't be more right cali Apr 2012 #1
Dog whistles? They don't even try to hide it anymore. Bake Apr 2012 #8
Thats the point. They hope America is listening too. Solomon Apr 2012 #15
I truly hope and believe America is better than that. Bake Apr 2012 #19
I am Toni Morrison. Gregorian Apr 2012 #2
You didn't feel American until there was a black man as President? doh1 Apr 2012 #6
I have never felt American, and I have lived here all my life. ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #9
what kept you from feeling American? doh1 Apr 2012 #10
I don't know. Maybe because I did not choose to be American. ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #12
So you have no problem with outsourcing jobs, right? (nt) SATIRical Apr 2012 #14
Not in the slightest, unless the working standards are below by exceptions. ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #16
That's decent SATIRical Apr 2012 #22
Conservatives and some liberals will act like the GOP Southern Strategy means very little or uponit7771 Apr 2012 #3
Ms. Morrison, it hurts a lot of us white people, also. loudsue Apr 2012 #4
angel marshall gaines Apr 2012 #18
Of course it hurts. Of our two parties, one has become a hate group. EFerrari Apr 2012 #5
I agree - things with them have become way out of control. Initech Apr 2012 #7
they can't stop. What else have they got to draw people into the tent? yurbud Apr 2012 #11
Nobody is fooled Aerows Apr 2012 #13
i missed that marshall gaines Apr 2012 #17
Leave it to Toni. Kencorburn Apr 2012 #20
I work with Marines...and I would love to see some dumbass call one a Government N****r Burma Jones Apr 2012 #21

Bake

(21,977 posts)
8. Dog whistles? They don't even try to hide it anymore.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:53 PM
Apr 2012

They just come right out with it. I hope America is paying attention: they're showing their true colors.

Bake

Bake

(21,977 posts)
19. I truly hope and believe America is better than that.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:46 PM
Apr 2012

Better than that racist sh*t the demagogues spew.

Maybe not. We'll see.

Bake

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
2. I am Toni Morrison.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:06 PM
Apr 2012

I may be a white man, but I see and feel just the same as she.

I am most thankful that she speaks. There is sanity. There is truth. Maybe there will be beauty.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
9. I have never felt American, and I have lived here all my life.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:00 PM
Apr 2012

The feeling was worse when I was a kid, because I lived in a deeply Catholic community, in a Catholic family, but I did not believe in God. I felt misplaced.

Of course, that is a completely different experience than what black people have been going through in this country.

 

doh1

(23 posts)
10. what kept you from feeling American?
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:03 PM
Apr 2012

do you not want to be American?

Maybe you need to live around people who think and feel the same as you?

Maybe the U.S. is not the place for you? Do you think you would fit in elsewhere?

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
12. I don't know. Maybe because I did not choose to be American.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:20 PM
Apr 2012

I feel a connection to many humans. I feel like a DUer. I feel a small connection to my university. I feel a powerful connection to my wife and kids.

I just feel no connection to flags or borders. Burning the American flag and saluting the American flag are the same to me.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
16. Not in the slightest, unless the working standards are below by exceptions.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:35 PM
Apr 2012

When jobs I consider decent are exchanged for jobs I consider to be indecent (sweatshops, child labor, etc.), then I am unhappy about that.

Non-Americans need jobs too.

 

SATIRical

(261 posts)
22. That's decent
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 08:33 PM
Apr 2012

At least you are consistent. I've seen several on here who are not.

Granted, it helps that I share your position on the issue!

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
3. Conservatives and some liberals will act like the GOP Southern Strategy means very little or
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:09 PM
Apr 2012

...doesn't have a tangible effect on people.

The US media sure acts like this and it's beyond disgusting

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
4. Ms. Morrison, it hurts a lot of us white people, also.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:24 PM
Apr 2012

It's beyond embarrassing. It's revolting to many of us that these people (rightwingers) think bigotry, stupidity, sexism, greed, selfishness, and hatefulness are somehow cool or strong or acceptable. Those things are NOT cool, and it wrenches my guts every time I watch or hear the leadership of the "conservatives" spew that shit. It insults me, personally, to hear people refer to Obama as a n.... And I hear it where I live in the south more than I care to admit. You're damn right it hurts. It hurts decent people everywhere.

Initech

(100,062 posts)
7. I agree - things with them have become way out of control.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:50 PM
Apr 2012

If they would stop using Koch / Heritage Foundation bullshit as their campaign platform we might be a bit mor civil in these debates. But the GOP has really shown their true lunacy lately and I think we're witnessing the end. Good. Fuck 'em.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
11. they can't stop. What else have they got to draw people into the tent?
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:18 PM
Apr 2012

Make your masters richer in case you win the lottery some day and join them?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
13. Nobody is fooled
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:23 PM
Apr 2012

white people included, with the attack on public workers. We all know why there is such spite for them actually getting a *shock* pension after they work their asses off for decades.

I'm white, and it hasn't fooled me for a minute, just like the Republicans attacking women's reproductive rights and health care hasn't fooled me for a minute.

 

marshall gaines

(347 posts)
17. i missed that
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:40 PM
Apr 2012

Santorum actually said what a lot of people think, an honest politician. I'm not impressed with his honesty based in ancient racial hate. A true patriotic american.

Kencorburn

(74 posts)
20. Leave it to Toni.
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 03:49 PM
Apr 2012

It’s true. As a black man, I did not feel American until we had a black president. Even though I can trace my family back to 1790, we not considered “American”. Before the civil rights movement, a white immigrant could come to this country and be instantly American, that person didn’t have to march for his rights. Although it may sound offensive for some, I think we should take that statement as a reason to be proud. That we as a nation have overcome our past sins and evolved to the point that we are closer to meeting those high the Declaration of Independence.

Burma Jones

(11,760 posts)
21. I work with Marines...and I would love to see some dumbass call one a Government N****r
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 04:00 PM
Apr 2012

Fuck these fuck fucks, just fuck 'em........

Of course, growing up a WASP guy in the 60's from a family one generation removed from po' white trash, I was taught the difference between respectable black folk and just plain n****rs......and other racist shuckin' and jivin' from my family. Fortunately, I got "above my raising"

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