Best way not to get raped by cops is to ‘follow the law’

[marble falls]

OK trooper tells local news: Best way not to get raped by cops is to ‘follow the law’
David Edwards
23 Sep 2014

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/ok-trooper-tells-local-news-best-way-not-to-get-raped-by-cops-is-to-follow-the-law/



An Oklahoma Highway Patrol official reportedly told women that the best way not to get raped by an officer was to “follow the law.”

In recent months, an Oklahoma Highway Patrol officer and an Oklahoma City Police officer have been accused of repeatedly raping women, often during traffic stops.

After a Tulsa County sheriff’s deputy was arrested last week for sexually assaulting a woman while responding to a 911 call, Tulsa NBC News affiliate KJRH decided to ask the Oklahoma Highway Patrol how to stay safe during a traffic stop.

The department noted that troopers should always be in uniform, and that women were allowed to keep their car door locked, and to speak with officers through a cracked window. A trooper should rarely ask a person to come back to the patrol car, OHP advised.

“There are certain situations where we do that,” Capt. George Brown told KJRH. “If someone doesn’t have a driver’s license on their person. We asked for an ID or driver’s licence, if they can’t provide it, rather than stand outside the car writing [a ticket], which puts us in a bad location, we may ask a female back to the car so we can get her information.”

The KJRH anchor said that Brown concluded with this advice: “The captain says anything that happens inside a troopers car is videotaped, and he says that supervisors do review those tapes.”

“He says the best tip that he can give is to follow the law in the first place so you don’t get pulled over,” the anchor added.

Brown told KWTV that OHP was working to regain the public’s trust.

“There are entirely more good officers than there are the few bad apples that exist out there, and we want people to know that,” he explained. “We have a lot of good troopers, a lot of good officers out there doing a lot of good things daily, and we want to continue that and have the public continue their trust in us.”

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. I'm actually thinking that's the worst way to do it.

The 'best' way to do it would be to vet your cops better, and not hire sociopaths and rapists.

Saying it's only safe to talk to Oklahoma police through a cracked window is pretty damn sad. And what do you do when the cop asks you to step outside? If you refuse, suddenly they've got 'grounds' (or at least will say they do) to drag you out and cuff you, and maybe even arrest you.

You're not going to 'regain the public's trust' by telling them the best way to 'stay safe' from police assault is simply not to interact with police.

[rock]

2. Perhaps the best way

would be to require that the cops be castrated. I'm pretty sure that would work.

[hlthe2b]

4. I would dearly love to have been present to hear someone suggest that to the moron head Trooper.

[rock]

16. Yes, and as I think about it I realize there's an additional merit

To the idea: how convenient it would be for the women. Perhaps the GOP would like to adopt it to show how they do support women's issues!

[MrScorpio]

3. They need to find a better substitute for brains in their state troopers...

What they're using for brains now needs to be flushed down the nearest toilet.

[Rex]

5. What an insult to all the women that have been raped by cops!

I swear there has to be SMART cops somewhere on this planet...just not anywhere near America it seems.

[unblock]

6. "we may ask a female back to the car"... but not a male?

interesting choice of words.

[msongs]

7. cops know the 'bad apples' and protect them with help from their "union" nt

[TeamPooka]

8. Fuck OK cops. nt

[Feral Child]

9. 'Cause a rapist-cop

won't stop a potential victim if she's obeying the law.


So, is he saying that rapist-cops are just displaying "tough-love" on law-breaking women?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

10. how about don't hire rapist cops.

what part of serve and protect does he not understand?

[Logical]

25. Or bully cops. Nt

[Ilsa]

46. And fire and incarcerate the ones that rape? nt

[malthaussen]

11. What a brilliant solution! Why didn't I think of that?

You know, I bet that idiot has no idea he just uttered one of the most fatuous remarks in the history of mankind.

I also like the "bad apples" part, standard apologetics 101. Somehow, I think abusing power to rape women is more than just a "bad apple" activity. And even if we stipulate it is so, why are you not doing something to excise those bad apples?

-- Mal

[CrispyQ]

12. What a piece of shit.

This is no different than telling women, don't wear provocative clothing, don't go out alone at night, don't talk to strangers, don't drive over the speed limit. If you do any of these things and get raped, then it's your fault.



I'm sick of rape culture & I'm sick to death of our definition of masculinity.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

13. I'm afraid this is a complete non-scandal.

This is not "wicked cop implies being raped is victim's fault if they were breaking law", it's "Cop is asked for advice on best way to behave during traffic stop, and trots out boilerplate response, part of which is slightly unfortunate in context".

If he didn't belong to a profession that a significant number of leftwingers love to hate, this wouldn't even get noticed.

He did not, of course, "tell women that the best way not to get raped by an officer was to “follow the law.” ". What he said was "The best way to stay safe is to follow the law so that you don't get pulled over in the first place" - which is undeniably a slightly regrettable thing to say in that context, but in general is sound advice.

[Rex]

21. Nice CYA post.

Thanks for making your thoughts known on leftwingers.

[Logical]

24. Why would I ever not be safe when getting pulled over? Shouldn't I always....

Feel safe in the presence of a police officer? You are making no sense at all!

[Donald Ian Rankin]

31. Not if you've been breaking the law. That's rather the point of pulling people over... N.T.

[Paulie]

35. Funny. Even in custody you should feel safe

Bring near a cop does NOT mean open season on civilians.

[Logical]

37. Wow, so a routine traffic stop should put fear in the minds of the average citizen? You sound like..

a real piece of work to me.

[nomorenomore08]

44. They meant "safe" from physical harm. Not necessarily from arrest. n/t

[stranger81]

47. I don't know how they do things in your country,

but here in the U.S., the police are charged with enforcing the law, not inflicting punishment on perceived lawbreakers. The latter, at least theoretically, is what our judicial system is for.

[prayin4rain]

26. The best way for women to stay safe around police officers

is to make sure they are never around police officers. That makes sense to you?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

32. None whatsoever. N.T.

[prayin4rain]

38. And you realize he was being asked about safety tips

for women in relation to police officers?

[jeff47]

27. So rape is the appropriate response to a traffic violation?

What he said was "The best way to stay safe is to follow the law so that you don't get pulled over in the first place" - which is undeniably a slightly regrettable thing to say in that context, but in general is sound advice.

This is saying that it is up to the woman to prevent being raped - if she only hadn't broken traffic laws, she wouldn't have been raped by a police officer.

As if a police officer that has decided to rape a woman would only do so if she broke a traffic law. He'd rape her, but he won't pull her over on a false pretext.

If he didn't belong to a profession that a significant number of leftwingers love to hate, this wouldn't even get noticed.

Damn those leftwingers for thinking that "protect and serve" isn't just a mindless slogan!

[Donald Ian Rankin]

33. No. N.T.

[kcr]

30. It isn't sound advice. It doesn't even make sense.

A rapist isn't going to wait until his victim breaks the law. If he's a rapist he isn't going to be concerned about that, is he?

[Luminous Animal]

34. As if a rapist cop wouldn't pull over a woman he wanted to rape whether she was following the law

or not.

[nomorenomore08]

45. +1000

[gollygee]

43. Yeah well we all know nobody every gets pulled over who isn't following the law. /sarcasm n/t

[Taitertots]

14. ACAB in action. The silence of his co-workers is deafening

[Egnever]

15. So sick of bullshit headlines

Yay for Bullshit!

[tularetom]

17. It would be a lot easier to remember that there are far more good cops than bad ones

If the good ones had the balls to get rid of the bad ones.

Until there is an effort to weed the rotten apples out of police departments, they will all be judged by the behavior of the most corrupt and brutal among them.

This guy doesn't seem to get that.

And BTW, it isn't just cops, no profession does an adequate job of self policing. Doctors, lawyers, you name it, even teachers are overly protective of the few that give them a bad name. I guess it's "there but for the grace of god go I" or something, but it's pervasive and it's wrong.

[lpbk2713]

18. "Submit to intimidation and bullying."

The frightening thing is he doesn't see anything wrong with this statement.

[Brigid]

19. So a traffic violation is punishable by rape?

[Rex]

22. No no no...just us leftwingers hate cops so much that we put a negative spin on everything

read it here in this thread! As sad and pathetic as that is.

[DustyJoe]

20. Statistics

Are there any hard numbers of the unfortunate traffic violating men that have been raped by female or male troopers ?

[damnedifIknow]

23. What?

What's to stop a deranged cop from following a woman until she commits the tiniest infraction and then hitting the red lights? Stop hiring psychos is a grand idea in my opinion.

[prayin4rain]

28. And a cop who would rape another human being would NEVER

pull someone over without proper justification. Never. Wouldn't happen.

[jeff47]

29. Why does he need an infraction?

He can turn the lights on at any time.

If he's decided to rape her, I don't think he'd be too concerned about false arrest.

[damnedifIknow]

36. Maybe I'm just still naive enough to believe in some type of right

I hope so anyway.

[Blue_In_AK]

39. Cops can pull you over for any reason they want to.

Several years ago I was working overtime in the law office late at night on a big project that was due. I headed home about 2:00 a.m. to my then home in Eagle River about 10 miles out. Out on the highway, I noticed a car following me closely for some distance, which kind of freaked me out. Finally, he flipped on his lights and pulled me over. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, which he admitted. He said he was just wondering what I was doing out so late - as if it was any of his business. I explained I was coming home from work, and he let me go without incident, but it still kind of pissed me off. If I had been driving erratically or something and he wanted to see if I was inebriated, fine, but I was following the speed limit, driving straight and there was NO reason for him to stop me.

We did have a highly decorated cop here who was busted for rape a few years ago for sexually assaulting women right at the station. Sick...

[mythology]

40. I love how the article headline is designed to give an inaccurate impression of what he said

He said the best way to avoid being pulled over was to follow the law. Not that the best way to avoid being raped was to follow the law.

This is a bullshit headline designed to gin up outrage rather than actually report news accurately.

[marble falls]

42. Outrage!!!!!!

[chrisa]

41. Idiot. Does he really think they're pulling people over for legitimate reasons?

Oh, I'm a rapist, but I can't pull that person over because they did nothing wrong!

[LeftyMom]

48. Cops here were raping women and girls for walking in poor neighborhoods.

They started out coercing sex workers on a particular street and eventually were abducting women and girls all over the surrounding (poor) neighborhood because walking=hooker=fairgame.

It went on for years.

Some of the victims were barely teenage.