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Tue Sep 23, 2014, 11:58 AM

If you were president how would you respond to the threat from ISIS?

Thank you in advance for your responses.

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Reply If you were president how would you respond to the threat from ISIS? (Original post)
DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2014 OP
1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #1
samsingh Sep 2014 #2
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #3
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #7
stevenleser Sep 2014 #52
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KansDem Sep 2014 #17
leftstreet Sep 2014 #21
stevenleser Sep 2014 #54
nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #97
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flamingdem Sep 2014 #6
grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #15
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flamingdem Sep 2014 #23
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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:03 PM

1. Ignore it ...

 

while reserving the right to be outraged when something bad happens.

Oh ... You asked what I would do as President ... not an anonymous person typing on an anonymous message board.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:03 PM

2. initiative all our forces and intelligence services to dismantle it

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:04 PM

3. Supply non-military aid to all of the surrounding countries

to allow them to focus their own resources on ISIS. Build hospitals, schools, roads, utilities.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:06 PM

4. Um, ISIS would blow up every school that allowed women in.

They would probably blow up every hospital that treated people indiscriminately.

There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.

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Response to randome (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:07 PM

7. Which makes them more enemies without making us more enemies.

Or you can try arming people, who then simply abandon those arms for ISIS to take and use.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:12 PM

52. That's not the way things work in that part of the world.

The people who kill and blow things up are able to cow the local populace into accepting them as the defacto order.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #52)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:33 PM

65. Because brown people are different than us?

I'd say humans are humans, no matter what part of the world they're in. They're about as easily cowed in 'that' part of the world as we are in 'this' part of the world. When you proclaim 'them' as 'different' and requiring violent solutions to problems you just make excuses for the war machine.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #65)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:43 PM

90. Nope. Different cultures are different. I'm brown skinned. nt

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Response to randome (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 02:08 PM

70. So why did we create this mess in the first place? Was there ANYONE who didn't

predict this, democratic voters I mean, back when there was a chance to stop it?

So, the solution is to do more of what created this in the first place?

I also would warn those Arab Dictatorships that are being touted as 'allies' to stop funding these terrorists groups as they have been doing for eons. But then we would have to NOT WANT excuses for more and forever war.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #70)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:56 PM

106. We can't wave a magic wand and make all those dictatorships go away.

No one 'created' the mess other than the usual haters of women and minorities. Sure, maybe the CIA had a hand in making stupid decisions that led to ISIS. But 'we' did not create them.

Not even hypnotism can make you behead a stranger or rape your wife unless you already want to do so for your own reasons.

A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.

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Response to randome (Reply #106)

Wed Sep 24, 2014, 02:22 AM

109. Yes, we did create them. Going back decades. Western Imperialism has a long history

in the ME. Greed, power, money and OIL is why we are there. Before us it was the OLD EMPIRE, now it's the NEW EMPIRE with the old one tagging along. Or who knows, maybe it's the old one using the power of the new empire to continue their centuries long policies.

So the CIA made a few errors? Lol!

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:06 PM

5. Pull 100% of our troops, ships, and planes out of Iraq, Iran, and the mid-east....

cut the military budget in half - spend the money on developing new energy in the US.

At that point, Isis wouldn't care about us.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #5)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:27 PM

17. I agree with your answers

I might go one step further and give them the Fab Four to do with what they please --



Oh, and I'd tell the Sauds to **** themselves. And I'd release the 28 pages!

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Response to Sancho (Reply #5)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:35 PM

21. ^^This^^

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Response to Sancho (Reply #5)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:14 PM

54. And you will end up with ISIS as a rich superpower fueled by trillions in petroresources

and able to buy or develop any kinds of weapons including nuclear who will then attack Europe, Asia and eventually the US.

Yeah, that's not a good plan.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #54)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 07:07 PM

97. Meet the New Domino Theory

it's kinda like the old domino theory, only New and Improved®

The domino theory was a theory prominent from the 1950s to the 1980s, that speculated that if one state in a region came under the influence of communism, then the surrounding countries would follow in a domino effect. The domino theory was used by successive United States administrations during the Cold War to justify the need for American intervention around the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_theory


"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results." Rita Mae Brown

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Response to nationalize the fed (Reply #97)

Wed Sep 24, 2014, 09:27 AM

111. Nope. ISIS is actually taking over countries. This isn't theoretical, it's actual. nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:07 PM

6. Obama is shouldering this entire event and is the leader at this point

and his legacy is on the line.

He accomplished the big goal of creating a coalition including many Arab nations.

Meanwhile the Republicans can only respond with - he should have done it sooner and other stupidities.

I believe that some Repukes would rather see an attack on US soil than work to prevent it.

While we don't know how this will end up it was necessary to weaken Isis, no doubt about it, and apparently the Korasan Group that is/was a more advanced group as far as US attacks.

So far so good. Obama is the clean up guy for the repulsive legacy of the Bush admin and CIA doings regarding Saudi Arabia etc.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:24 PM

15. Obama may simply be their patsy.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:26 PM

16. I doubt they're that crafty

but there's always room for a twist ending.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:35 PM

20. and i keep telling them not to underestimate that man...

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:37 PM

23. Agree. I don't see another player with his capacity

and let's face it - the resources and intel of the US.

A competent leader was needed to bring any sanity to the situation and on top of that Obama's actions might lead to at least temporary peace - Iran meeting with Britain, Iran meeting with Saudi Arabia. This is under Obama's wing and flows out of his strategies.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:05 PM

44. What role do these nations have other than saying "I support it" and sitting idly by with their


hands folded watching the US go it alone?

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #44)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:07 PM

47. They all have air forces and are all flying sorties. eom

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:13 PM

8. I would start by cutting off / blocking their fear us propaganda.

 

They get attention from their videos and messages ...while we can't even see the US military coffins being offloaded.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:14 PM

9. How about start by cutting of their heads! Have you seen the pics? I will not post them!

 

Heads are cut off and propped up ALL OVER THE CITY.

If I'm asked to prove it, and it's allowed I will. I have the pics.

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Response to TheNutcracker (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:16 PM

10. There are photos of mass beheadings? /NT

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Response to TheNutcracker (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:16 PM

11. You've made my point.

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:19 PM

12. I would do what he is doing.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:21 PM

13. Good intell and police work to keep them from entering the US

 

or attacking us here. Disengagement in Iraq and Syria.

If the regional nations are concerned, have them deal with it. We could provide humanitarian relief to refugees and cut off funding to the extent possible. Sanction nations who by oil form IS, work with the regional nations to block access to funds and resources. Facilitate discussions of the regional nations to address and solve what is their problem.

US bombs are not the answer.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:21 PM

14. First off, I WOULD NEVER HAVE SUPPORTED THEM IN THEIR BID TO OVERTHROW ASSAD, next FOLLOW THE MONE

 

money.

Next, after all those people are on jail, I would seize all of their assets and anyone doing business with ISIL.

Next, make SA, Iran, Syria, and Israel get together to deal with it.

Oh yeah, prosecute those who got us into Iraq in the first place.

Sorry for shouting but it's so loud with all those bombs

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:28 PM

18. On CNN someone said that the US will be getting $ from other nations

for this war during the UN meeting period.

We can't afford it alone and some of those countries owe big time.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:25 PM

63. As they say, show us the money!

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:38 PM

24. yea we control everyone doing business with them

 

Easy peasy right?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:44 PM

26. Can we agree a priority should be prosecuting those funding and doing business with ISIL?

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #26)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:46 PM

29. they have oil wells and money they steal

 

From thier conquests.....who you gonna prosecute?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:55 PM

36. The people who touch the money. Money, especially large quantities, leaves a trail. Who buys

 

30,000 barrels of oil per day?

Who is sending oil well repair equipment? Who does the payroll for the oil workers? Maintenance on their military equipment? Who sells them bullets?

A million dollars doesn't do you any good without someone who is willing to launder the cash.

Also, have we bombed the oil resources where they are making their money? Why not?




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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #36)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:20 PM

59. ever heard of black markets?

 

I knew you had...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #59)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 02:26 PM

74. Ever heard of convictions for money laundering and illicit trade?

 

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That's what we should be doing.

But hey, hope you guys are right.

Although history has proven this tact to fail time and time again.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #74)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:41 PM

89. ever heard of someone getting away with dark money?

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #89)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:19 PM

91. I've heard of people getting away with murder, and torture, then being called patriots:)

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #91)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 06:40 PM

96. and HOW do you track black market money

 

So ISIS aren't perpetrators of murder and torture in your book?

Should we have intervened with Hitler in YOUR book? And by the way Arab Nations are ALSO bombing ISIS....along with other nations supporting this....I hear it is 50 of them....but YOU....disagree!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #96)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:32 PM

99. Should we have intervened with Hitler? Did Japan attack us and Hitler declare war on the US?

 

Oh gosh yes!

As far as tracking black market money, that would involve arresting banksters. In my view, it's cheaper and easier than another 3 trillion dollar war.


Bank of America, Western Union, and JP Morgan, are among the institutions allegedly involved in the drug trade. Meanwhile, HSBC has admitted its laundering role, and evaded criminal prosecution by paying a fine of almost $2 billion. The lack of imprisonment of any bankers involved is indicative of the hypocritical nature of the drug war; an individual selling a few grams of drugs can face decades in prison, while a group of people that tacitly allow -- and profit from -- the trade of tons, escape incarceration.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/avinash-tharoor/banks-cartel-money-laundering_b_4619464.html

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #99)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:48 PM

100. And what does the banks have to do with it?

 

we are talking oil.....Black gold....Texas tea.....

What you don't think there is lots and lots and lots of money changing hands for nefarious shit?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:45 PM

27. Can we further agree the attempt to overthrow Assad was as big of a failure as the war in Iraq?

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #27)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:47 PM

31. i dont accept your first premise

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #31)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:57 PM

39. But, we can agree Bush's Iraq war was a failure, yes????

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #27)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:50 PM

33. can we further agree that you just dont like

 

Obama and dislike everydamn thing he does?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #33)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:56 PM

38. No, I like the fact that he is reducing the amount that companies make from inversion.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #27)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:59 PM

41. The Syrian people attempted to overthrow Assad.

Thousands of Syrians gathered in 2011 in nationwide demonstrations for political reforms, an end to secret police kidnappings and massive corruption, and an end to the 40 year rule of the Assad family. Assad responded to the protests with lethal violence.

So, whose attempt to overthrow Assad are we talking about? The Syrian people's, or the modest support the US provided to them?

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #41)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:06 PM

45. Our getting involved left them with ISIL, IMHO. People asked for reforms, not dead children and

 

chaos. We just had 400,000 march in NYC..... should Assad now arm the craziest of those people and goad them into military action?

How bout Ferguson?

What would be the result?

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #45)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:17 PM

56. exactly ..

 

Your opinion..so what is your opinion on that Black guy in the White House . ...since you are offering your opinions and all .

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #56)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:00 PM

75. Obama? The R's will impeach him over some issue with the war.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #75)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:53 PM

103. and he still does what he thinks is right....he is deliberative and at least he organized

 

a real coalition.....and he might be preventing a huge massacre of Kurds....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #103)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:54 PM

104. I would like to see any info you have about coalition forces involved in combat...

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #104)

Wed Sep 24, 2014, 11:14 AM

112. already shown you...

 

It was all over tv. They flew in the second and largest wave....and so did the French

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #45)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:21 PM

60. ISIL emerged when we left Iraq.

Our getting involved happened in 2003. Our getting uninvolved happened in 2011.

"...should Assad now arm the craziest of those people and goad them into military action? "
No, Assad should not arm the craziest.

"How bout Ferguson" Racist cop shot and killed an unarmed teenager.

"What would be the result"
???

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Response to cheapdate (Reply #60)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 02:24 PM

73. Before we left, we arrived. Had we not arrived, there would be no ISIL, agreed?

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:32 PM

19. Complain bitterly (and anonymously) on an internet message board.

 

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Response to LordGlenconner (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:37 PM

22. ...spot on

 

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Response to LordGlenconner (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:09 PM

49. vs. mindless, partisan support for war.

 

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Response to cali (Reply #49)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:21 PM

81. Where did I write that I supported war?

 

I guess you must have deduced that because I object to the bile you post about the president here on a daily basis.

It's cute that you believe you are somehow above the fray.

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Response to LordGlenconner (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:09 PM

50. Or troll and get paid for it.

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #50)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:18 PM

58. you making an accusation here?

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #58)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:22 PM

62. Not to anyone specifically. I'm just saying DU is a popular visit for those who are compensated for


their commentary.

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #62)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:20 PM

80. I share your suspicions

 

Of folks who start dozens of threads on DU with negative posts about Democrats, and especially the president, week in and week out.



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Response to LordGlenconner (Reply #80)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:53 PM

84. Gotta agree. n/t

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Response to LordGlenconner (Reply #80)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:56 PM

105. You have a point there....one would think that they would soon tire of the game....

 

yet on and on and on they go....coming here to do NOTHING else but complain about any and all things Democratic both person and policy....and YET proclaim that "they" are Democrats....there has GOT to be some other reason...

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:40 PM

25. I don't know,

which is one big reason why I never ever want to be a president. There doesn't seem to be any easy options in this situation.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:46 PM

28. They are no threat to the US

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:47 PM

30. Probably finally use it as an impetus for infrastructure spending.

1 - The attacks we received are attacks of opportunity, meaning that they can only do things as they see it. They can't really attack using long planned methods. So, the best thing to do, is to fix things so that there are less opportunities to exploit.

2 - Improve roads, public spaces, medical centers (particularly by expanding health care). Couch it as improving security, and planning for disasters. If we as a society plan for natural disasters, which are capable of creating damage that far exceeds any terrorist threat.
So, triage centers, access to hospitals, fire departments and police improvements are key to this.

Basically, improve construction here, and utilize existing talent within the US to improve health, security and infrastructure to reduce threat, while benefiting society as a whole.

This is far better than piddling our funds to a place that is for all intents and purposes is just a money drain hole.

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Response to Xyzse (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:54 PM

35. How do you plan to do that?

knowing the whole region has become unstable by using the bombing tactics.

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #35)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:55 PM

37. What do you mean? I am pretty much ignoring them there and won't start bombing.

I would rather use that "fear" to do something, as a means of improving infrastructure within the US.

Not there.

Change the idea of "attack out of fear" to "build and defend".

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Response to Xyzse (Reply #37)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:00 PM

42. Yes, but the question is

how to respond to the threat, agreed that our infrastructure needs improving everyone knows that, but you take action by taking the war to them. You don't ignore it because doing so allows for escalation of threats.

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #42)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:07 PM

46. Well the thing is, I don't think they are much of a threat.

Use the public's fear instead to something more productive in regards to fixing things here instead.

So, change the conversation from "attacking a group outside of the US" taking a side on an area we don't know much about in regards to variables, as most of them hate us for our interventionist approach any how. Attacking now merely creates more enemies. I don't really like that idea, and if they escalate further, which I sincerely doubt they can... Then, we have already started preparing ourselves within the country first.

What have they done to us other than small things that happens monthly from the last Administration in greater numbers?

I feel like we're only attacking because of a public outcry of people who don't know enough about the situation to begin with.
Until they themselves reach a state of equilibrium, we can't help them any how other than killing a group or multiple groups giving one ascendancy for probably a year or two before it devolves again.

Besides, fixing things here is a direct response to a threat. A response does not always mean attacking.

I did mention infrastructure, and included fire department and policing. I think that is more important than a military response.

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Response to Xyzse (Reply #46)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:45 PM

66. The danger I see here is the threart of ISIS

will affect the US economy either directly or indirectly if the Obama administration sits back and do nothing. In taking the war to them you ( should also mention that I'm not in favor of bombing as it solves nothing) succeed by isolating the troublemakers in the region, find the culprits responsible for such inane actions which we've seen from them and help with the stability of the region, all this should be done with the help of our allies in the region.

On the issue of

What have they done to us other than small things that happens monthly from the last Administration in greater numbers?


The answer to this question will be based on ones perspective, the issue of terror is not for one to wait till it falls on our doorstep before taking action, you address terror by taking actions on the small things that you mentioned they have done to prevent them from becoming major threat in the future.

I feel like we're only attacking because of a public outcry of people who don't know enough about the situation to begin with.
Until they themselves reach a state of equilibrium, we can't help them any how other than killing a group or multiple groups giving one ascendancy for probably a year or two before it devolves again.


Yes it is a possibility that the administration is taking action based on public out cry, obviously the reason behind this out cry came from the beheading of two Americans in Syria. What this shows however, is that this terrorist group is operating from the same rules applied by Al-Qaeda which tells me that the players in the dark alley are the same guys who orchestrated and supported Al-Qaeda. On the issue of help, no one wants another 911 to occur therefore you take actions to prevent another disaster.

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #66)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 02:10 PM

71. Yes, though I consider improving infrastructure as a better means to prevent and mitigate disaster.

I mean, mentioning the unsexy things like improved roads, and flow of traffic to be able to get out of disaster areas.
Fixing bridges so that they don't collapse when disaster strikes.
Hospitals and triage beds, when disaster actually happens.
Fire Fighters and Policing improvements particularly in regards to intelligence gathering would be a better means of preventing disaster.

Striking people through bombing and doing that type of strikes to me merely increases the threat to the US. Generally due to the ones involved in the collateral damage and what is seen as American over-handed and heartless intervention.

If I had to do it, I would, but this tends to hit a larger group rather than actually getting the problem.
Like I said, taking actions to prevent another disaster does not mean a military option or an attack.

Still, I take your point in helping allies in the area and finding stability.
Problem is, I am not convinced that those we are helping are indeed the allies that we should be fostering.
In certain ways, like I mentioned earlier, till the area finds a state of equilibrium and a solid group that can stabilize the area (does not matter their policies), I would foster a relationship with them first, before influencing their policies. Those can come later.

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Response to Xyzse (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:08 PM

48. Because the GOP lead House is going to definitely go along with that!

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #48)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:13 PM

53. Of course not.

However, the question was, what I would do if I were President.

It assumes that I am not Obama, but myself.

Obama is doing what he is doing, as he is himself. I seem to be to the left of him, and I would make the attempt to change the conversation rather than go along with this.
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Change the question to, "If You were Obama" what would you do? Then, I'd probably do the same thing, as he may have painted himself to a corner.
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My answer was, what I would like to see, not what is being done. So it is colored by what I think is most important.

On Edit, I'd probably do what Obama is doing, but still try to change the conversation to include doing things here.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:49 PM

32. Focus on law enforcement methods to prevent ISIL from entering the United States

 

or sabotaging U.S. installations.

Provided funding and assistance for refugee management.

Attack ISIL's sources of funding, which right now is black market oil sales primarily through Turkey.

Non-military funding for regional efforts to oppose ISIL.

The bottom line is that U.S. military intervention in the Middle East has never solved the problem. There is no reason to think that it will work this time.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:51 PM

34. If I was the President

I will first tell the WAR HAWKS to fuck off and die, then will visit NSA and get them to monitor every electronic devices in the region. Focuses on the use of satellite and drones images in the area while monitoring movement between Russia and Syria at the same time utilizing our special forces to carry out rescues of Americans or British that might have been captured.

Using bombs has just put all captives in greater risk from being saved.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 12:58 PM

40. Depends. What's my objective?

What our objective in a region is is kind of the most important question that we never address.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:00 PM

43. Diplomatically pressure surrounding countries to intervene. Provide non-military and humanaterian

aid, where needed.

Send a "singing telegram" to PNAC telling them to fuck off.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:10 PM

51. I would go to the CIA, DIA and US State Dept and request...

 

all records on any agents or employees who are directly or indirectly funding, training, arming and supporting ISIS rebels in any way, declassify those materials and turn the papers over to the department of justice for prosecution, I would also send a second copy of said materials to the Hague.

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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #51)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:52 PM

67. I support declassification too

but don't bet on it. Everything is so convoluted that you get lost in translation in trying to fin d answers.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:16 PM

55. Also, don't do what Bush did with al-Qaeda.

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:17 PM

57. Do whatever it takes to install brutal nonsecular dictators in these countries to subdue the

populace. Like the good old days.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:21 PM

61. I would ask myself...

...why ISIS deserves more attention than the murderous drug cartels of Mexico.

Close to 100,000 people have been murdered by gangs in Mexico since 2007. Most of those murders involved beheading.

Mexico has a common border with the United States, whereas ISIS would have to charter a plane or a boat to get here.

Tens of thousands of beheadings in Mexico...

TYY

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:27 PM

64. Has there ever been a united Arab front on anything except Israel..?

 

ISIS is just another fringe group, and the other fringe groups fear them. Why not encourage all that fear and distrust between the nutball groups?

A few weapons, a little money, a lot of propaganda, a LOT of opposition research and black intel.... "Hey...do you know what they said about your mom?" "Are you gonna let them talk about the Sunni/Shia/Wahabi/ that way?" "Let's you and him fight!"

Add a few well-placed and anonymously delivered bombs to sow more confusion....

I think ISIS is a small powerless group with a great PR campaign of "fear us" going. And most Americans have fallen for it.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #64)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:56 PM

85. not even on israel

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 01:56 PM

68. I would focus on

world hunger, mosquito nets for malaria infested countries, increasing world literacy rates, and things like that. I would try to be force for what I consider to be good, which would save significantly more lives than dealing with ISIS.

I feel like people are more concerned with punishing people than saving people.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 02:07 PM

69. Call up the Saudi king, tell him he has a problem he needs to take care of

 

Remind the king of all those American weapons that equip the Saudi military. Tell the king in no uncertain terms that America will do absolutely nothing if the Saudi-created Frankenstein creature attacks Saudi Arabia. So they had better take ISIS out before they get to the Saudi border.

Hold a press conference outlining all the military equipment sold by the US to Saudi Arabia, point out how they have the capacity to solve the problem they created, and we expect them to do so. Announce that this is a great opportunity for the real Muslims of Saudi Arabia to show the world their compassion and concern for all humans by taking out ISIS before they kill anyone else, Muslim or non-Muslim.

In short, I'd like to see Obama use the bully pulpit of the presidency to shame the Saudis into doing the right thing for once.

(this question was asked and answered extensively in this thread; I cut and pasted my previous response here. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025520067#post80 )

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Response to Dems to Win (Reply #69)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:21 PM

93. Point out that SA has the 4th largest military in the world right next door to ISIL

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 02:13 PM

72. Drive them into Syria

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:01 PM

76. Let the Middle Eastern nations handle it. Our presence gives aid and comfort to the enemy.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:03 PM

77. That's a question for Miss America, not me.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:17 PM

78. After you armed them?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:20 PM

79. Not much

The regional players have plenty of incentive and resources to do something about them. I'd wish them luck and offer what ever support they may need short of military aid beyond what we have already provided.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:24 PM

82. I wouldn't have created them

To start with. I'd probably also be assassinated pretty quickly for not playing ball with the MIC.

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Response to TBF (Reply #82)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:04 PM

87. We didn't create them, except in your imagination.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:49 PM

83. Propaganda war. Get coalition - surround them. Use tech advantage. Hit their finances.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 03:58 PM

86. stop feeding it

 

and ignore it until and unless it actually becomes our problem instead of that of some dubiously-designated "ally"

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 04:11 PM

88. I guess it depends on how you perceive that threat

Since I believe the ISIS threat is being hyped and manufactured to provide an opportunity for unstated policy objectives, I would not respond like the president.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:21 PM

92. Well, first of all, I would not have made a public announcement from the White House.

All that did was telegraph our intentions to bomb ISIL out of existence.
Instead, I would have started the bombing campaign at night, when most Americans are asleep.

I would have made my announcement that the US had started bombing ISIL in Syria from a golf course, even though the news media outlets had already been talking about it for the last 8 hours on tv.
Hopefully, I could get an early tee time from one of those exclusive golf clubs in New York City to use as my backdrop for this awesome announcement so as to shock and awe everyone that they actually let me on their freakin' golf course.
At the golf course I would be wearing a plaid pair of pants just like Payne Stewart used to wear, to show my support for Scotland recently holding an election to become independent, and to also poke a stick in Queen Elizabeth's eye that kingdoms like hers are outdated now that I am the President of the United States.

At this announcement I would also have my vice president, Joe Biden, in my foursome, and he would be seen standing behind me, sort of doing some low growling while I talked slow and deliberate into the microphones, while practicing my swing like Johnny Carson used to do on his tv show.
Joe wouldn't be real loud, mind you, just loud enough as to be audible to the careful listener.
I would make sure that Joe would also have a Shasta Strawberry pop with him that morning.
So he could let some red foam dribble from out of his mouth every once in awhile, you know, to make it look like he has rabies and is stark raving mad, sort of how Cheney used to do it.
Then, after I made 3 or 4 short contradictory statements about how short the bombing campaign of ISIL will be, I would say something deep and historic like, "Now, watch this drive" and let the media pundits do their thing for the rest of the morning.

Then early that same afternoon, I would put on my tan suit and announce that I am going on the road to help more Democrats get elected to Congress.
And I would be sure to call ALL Republicans, not just those that had disagreed with my ISIL bombing campaign, weak and unpatriotic and make hints that their parents may have not been legally married at the time of their conception.
I would also make obtuse, outlandish, audacious comments that the entire Republican party is not able to keep America safe, even at the state level.
I would constantly refer to my new ISIL bombing campaign as proof of my ability to keep America safe, at the same time.

Then, after approximately 5 grueling days on the road, crisscrossing about a quarter of the country for the 2014 mid-term elections, I would take a much well-deserved vacation until Thanksgiving.

And then, on the day before Thanksgiving, I would return to the White House, still wearing the same tan suit, but instead of participating in the annual pardoning of a turkey, I would chop the turkey's head off -- live on tv -- and then look straight in to the camera and say "See, I can chop off heads, too!!"

Then, 2 days after Thanksgiving, I would make an unannounced trip to Hawaii to announce that I am increasing the ISIL bombing campaign, just in time for Christmas, by 400%, so that the Republicans will know just who is really large and in charge here!!
And to announce that I am going on vacation until January 15th because it is too damned cold to stay in Washington in December.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:24 PM

94. Nothing

Action has no inherent strategic advantage over inaction. Let the various groups who oppose ISIS fight them.

If we had done what I wanted, ISIS would not exist in the first place.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:33 PM

95. Amazing

 

Some people are so naive we don't want to bomb them not because we want to it's because we have to aid education and bombs to prevent genocide

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 07:38 PM

98. Same as Jemaah Islamiyah.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:50 PM

101. I'd say, "Iran

those nukes you've been working on, well, you might just need them."

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:51 PM

102. I'd send ninjas!

You better believe it!

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 08:59 PM

107. Send in the Cat Missles!


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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 09:23 PM

108. I would have..

Arrested the Bush administration and handed them over to them in return for the hostages.









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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed Sep 24, 2014, 02:32 AM

110. what threat?

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