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SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:04 AM Sep 2014

What do you say to a person that says "I voted for raygun in 1980"?

Last edited Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:49 AM - Edit history (1)

His record was clear. His intent was clear. I find it difficult to take someone seriously once they admit it to me.

EDIT --- Bad question --

I needed to include the following information. I am curious about people that profess to support the Democratic ideas but still discuss economics issues in ways that support the rights agenda.

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What do you say to a person that says "I voted for raygun in 1980"? (Original Post) SoLeftIAmRight Sep 2014 OP
I.say,'Why?' elleng Sep 2014 #1
I know few who didn't vote for Reagan yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #11
I had a similar experience when I was the same age in 1972 betsuni Sep 2014 #30
34 years is a long time. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2014 #2
what if they were 18 OriginalGeek Sep 2014 #3
I would say "I hope you learned your lesson" nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #4
Check to see if you can take him seriously ripcord Sep 2014 #5
I forgive you. Quantess Sep 2014 #6
"I'll pray for you" gratuitous Sep 2014 #14
"How did you vote since then?" flvegan Sep 2014 #7
I assume they were drunk or are currently drunk. Half-Century Man Sep 2014 #8
i have a tough time respecting any who still calls themselves a republican these days. unblock Sep 2014 #9
Same here! Anyone tells me they're republican and all the red flags go up! Aways RKP5637 Sep 2014 #41
Wow, you don't look old enough to have voted in 1980? Kalidurga Sep 2014 #10
I am sure Elizabeth Warren voted for him twice yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #12
Nice point - but... SoLeftIAmRight Sep 2014 #13
I am not so sure about that. Laelth Sep 2014 #32
I have a problem with it wilt the stilt Sep 2014 #53
He was a former union organizer endorsed by many unions Recursion Sep 2014 #15
a lot of labor did, and they paid a heavy price for it. They were upset with Carter's deregulation still_one Sep 2014 #16
PATCO endorsed Reagan in '80 Recursion Sep 2014 #25
and it bit them. Of course we all ended up getting bit still_one Sep 2014 #37
I (We) said: From 1983..Rock Against Reagan...Los Angeles... GReedDiamond Sep 2014 #17
i would ask why and who they voted for in later years(and previous years) JI7 Sep 2014 #18
voted for Reagan in 84 MFM008 Sep 2014 #19
Depends on the rest of the conversation.... JHB Sep 2014 #20
First thing I would tell them is that it is spelled "Reagan" Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #21
Well aren't you a shallow person. whistler162 Sep 2014 #22
What do you say to a person who had a DUI accident in 1982? Savannahmann Sep 2014 #23
Let the purity tests continue Blue_Adept Sep 2014 #24
I ask them JustAnotherGen Sep 2014 #26
I say "Yeah, I was silly and uninformed in 1980, too." Orrex Sep 2014 #27
What do you say to a President who says MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #28
I would say I cast my first ballot against Reagan in '84 (too young to vote in '80) deutsey Sep 2014 #29
If that same person still goes around repeating how poor corporations are unfairly taxed. I'd say Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2014 #31
It depends. LWolf Sep 2014 #33
I honestly think this OP is a swipe against Liz Warren..... djean111 Sep 2014 #38
It's all your fault... Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2014 #34
"Hi Dad! How are you today?" nt ScreamingMeemie Sep 2014 #35
My Parents didn't vote for Reagan mainly because (they told me)..."Most actors that worked ... BlueJazz Sep 2014 #36
Are you Blue-ish? Iggo Sep 2014 #39
Naked Raygun? johnp3907 Sep 2014 #40
People make mistakes. It would not matter to me unless they are still ardent believers in RKP5637 Sep 2014 #42
I voted for Reagan, so I'm that person rock Sep 2014 #43
I voted for Reagan in 1980. And 1984. Archae Sep 2014 #44
You don't "regret" voting for REAGAN?? I'm sorry, but a person of 24 isn't a kid. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #48
In Wisconsin, someone is a "kid" until they hit 30. Archae Sep 2014 #49
'We all make mistakes. Hopefully we learn from them.' nt Live and Learn Sep 2014 #45
We should offer assistance to all of Reagan's victims. n/t Orsino Sep 2014 #46
I would expect the next sentence would be their apology and a declaration they now vote Democratic. WinkyDink Sep 2014 #47
I would say, bravenak Sep 2014 #50
Hi Dad SalviaBlue Sep 2014 #51
Thanks for bringing us Al From and the 3rd way. nt adirondacker Sep 2014 #52
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
11. I know few who didn't vote for Reagan
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:27 AM
Sep 2014

Over the age of 50 and these are Democratic Party types who just didn't like President Carter much at all. I was only 11 when President Reagan became President. We had a mock election in school. I had no idea about politics, but voted for President Carter because a girl I liked voted for him. Majority of the class voted for Reagan. Go figure even 6th graders were very brainwashed.

betsuni

(25,456 posts)
30. I had a similar experience when I was the same age in 1972
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 07:46 AM
Sep 2014

Mock election between Nixon and McGovern. The teacher asked us to choose and stand on opposite sides of the room. The Nixon side was crowded. I was the only white kid on the lightly populated McGovern side. I wonder how I even knew to choose a Democrat because my mother later insisted that she and my father had always voted Republican and was insulted that I ever thought they were liberals. I wasn't a very bright child, but I guess I was stupid in a good way because I resisted being brainwashed.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
2. 34 years is a long time.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:09 AM
Sep 2014

And if someone was young and relatively politically naïve and cast their first vote ever for Reagan I probably wouldn't hold it against them. If they're still voting Republican today, that's something else.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
3. what if they were 18
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:09 AM
Sep 2014

it was their first election and they had been indoctrinated in a right-wing fundamentalist home?

And then they got out on their own and got better and have voted Dem ever since?

Because if that were the case I would say "Hey, glad you got over that brainwashing"

unblock

(52,188 posts)
9. i have a tough time respecting any who still calls themselves a republican these days.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:17 AM
Sep 2014

their they clearly lack the ability to look at the results and come to a remotely rational conclusion.

whatever your standards and criteria are, the reality is that democrats are better.

want a balanced budget? clinton and obama, great! shrub, horrible!

want a great stock market? clinton and obama, fantastic! shrub, *the worst ever*!

want smaller government? again, shrub is the worst offender of the last 3 presidents.

want the world to respect us? look what damage shrub did and how they love clinton and obama.


anyone who believes in republican issues and priorities should vote for the democrat!

RKP5637

(67,102 posts)
41. Same here! Anyone tells me they're republican and all the red flags go up! Aways
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 08:42 AM
Sep 2014

back they could be excused for just not knowing what their party had turned into ... but to remain republican today, one has to be true to the horrific ideals of today's republican party and/or incredibly naive and stupid.

And many republicans are simply robots. They don't bother to understand the issues and do not engage their brain when they vote. And, the new republican party has managed to engage many of the haters in society under one tent.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
10. Wow, you don't look old enough to have voted in 1980?
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:25 AM
Sep 2014

Unless they do, then quick change the subject. I have no interest in talking to people who are still Republicans after the last 3 decades. However, if they have changed since then even recently I would like to have a long conversation with them. Like the Little Green Footballs guy he has a lot of thoughtful reasons for switching parties.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
12. I am sure Elizabeth Warren voted for him twice
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 12:31 AM
Sep 2014

Since she was a Republican until 1996. I don't have a problem taking her seriously. Do you?

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
32. I am not so sure about that.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 07:56 AM
Sep 2014

On social issues, she was always liberal, but she claims she voted for Republicans on economic issues. When she claimed to see the light--that Republican economic policy is disastrous for most people--she switched. On foreign policy, a lot of Democrats remain hawkish, but other than that, I think you'll be hard-pressed to find a subject upon which Elizabeth Warren and most Democrats disagree.

-Laelth

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. He was a former union organizer endorsed by many unions
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:06 AM
Sep 2014

Including, ironically, PATCO. He had been governor of a fairly liberal state and been able to deal with the legislature there. He opposed an incumbent who, while a very good man, was a notorious micro-manager who had failed to solve several of the problems people were concerned about (inflation, a rising crime rate, decline of American prestige abroad, the decline of industrial employment -- not my issues, that not being my generation, but things people were very concerned about). His supporters included people like Jim Webb, Elizabeth Warren, and Carolyn McCarthy, all of whom I think are pretty decent people.

still_one

(92,118 posts)
16. a lot of labor did, and they paid a heavy price for it. They were upset with Carter's deregulation
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 01:31 AM
Sep 2014

of the airline industry

GReedDiamond

(5,311 posts)
17. I (We) said: From 1983..Rock Against Reagan...Los Angeles...
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 02:34 AM
Sep 2014


I made the flyer with Brad Frost, and our band - The Hundredth Monkey - played at this very interesting event.

We were way ahead of our time or something.

MFM008

(19,804 posts)
19. voted for Reagan in 84
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 06:09 AM
Sep 2014

never voted again for a Republican.

First time able to vote and didn't pay much attention to the difference between Republican and Democrat.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
20. Depends on the rest of the conversation....
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 06:25 AM
Sep 2014

Are they proud of it?

Do they regret it?

Do they say they regret it but are still squarely behind neoliberal economics and neocon foreign policy?

Context does make a difference.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
21. First thing I would tell them is that it is spelled "Reagan"
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 06:30 AM
Sep 2014

Second, meh. Let it go. It was 34 years ago. Shit, I think Neil Young may have voted for Reagan in '80, IIRC.

Hell, my dad voted for Nixon .... 3 times!

You gotta let it go.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
22. Well aren't you a shallow person.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 06:54 AM
Sep 2014

by the way that isn't the answer to your question that is a statement of fact.

Seriously are you that shallow you sum up a persons opinion on one or two votes 34 years ago!

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
23. What do you say to a person who had a DUI accident in 1982?
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 07:22 AM
Sep 2014

Is there a statute of limitations for mistakes, or poor judgement in your world? Would you denounce anyone who voted a certain way in the past, instead of encouraging them to vote in the future? Your comment shows a serious lack of consideration. Many people have done things with good intentions, or even with bad intentions, and either learned from them, or changed their minds on the wisdom.

Look at the election of 1980 again. Not from what Reagan did, but from the issues facing the people. On one hand, you have President Carter who many will tell you has been spoken of me in the highest terms possible on this very board. I admired his personal integrity, and his willingness to put himself on the line at Three Mile Island. His honesty led him to tell us about the Malaise that he saw gripping the nation. There was, we needed to have faith, and strive for a better future. Unfortunately, his honesty did not play well compared to Reagan's pie in the sky everything will be grand if you elect me speeches.

Reagan offered plans, which were asinine, but they were plans for the future that the public wanted to see, a better nation, a stronger nation. President Carter was more realistic, and that was not the image people wanted especially with the idea that America could be great again, if only we wanted to, and all that had to be done was elect Reagan. The US Hockey Team had touched this desire to beat the Soviets earlier in the Year.

So as an oversimplification, which is what many people tend to do with things, they saw Carter as more suffering, more pain, and more shortages. They saw Reagan as hope, and abundance, and strength. Then in 1984, Reagan's brilliant (I have no idea who came up with the line, but it was bloody brilliant) line about refusing to use his opponents youth and inexperience as an issue won the election. It really did. Because it defined the election in a way that no other single thing did.

So what do you do? Do you blame someone for falling for the hype about the superiority of a product? If it was me, and some how the subject of the President more than thirty years came up, I'd turn the subject to the topic of the next election, and tell them the superiority of the Democratic Candidate.

But you can keep fighting the election of 1980 if you want to. Lot's of people do that sort of thing. Civil War re-enactors for example, love to fight battles from one hundred and fifty years ago. In another decade, folks who want to refight the battles of 1980 may dress up the same way, in period costumes, and speak in arcane ways as they pretend like they are actually there. Let me know when you want to fight the battles of the Iowa Caucus. I probably won't show up, but I'd like to know anyway.

Blue_Adept

(6,397 posts)
24. Let the purity tests continue
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 07:27 AM
Sep 2014

More and more, the way a lot of Democrats seem to be acting remind me of the purity tests and absolutism that we saw on Free Republic years ago when I first got on DU and we shook our collective heads about that.

Hell, I used to vote for a fair number of Republicans when I was younger - and some of those I would vote for today as well because they were classic New England Republicans and are MORE liberal than a lot of people being elected as Democrats these days.

FFS.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
26. I ask them
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 07:33 AM
Sep 2014

Did you vote for him in 1984 again? Then I start giving them the side eye if they tell me . . . "oh I was a Republican up until the 2008 election".

I always think - How could you? How could you vote for those people even in 1994 when they rode into Washington on a platform of otherism and hatred.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
29. I would say I cast my first ballot against Reagan in '84 (too young to vote in '80)
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 07:46 AM
Sep 2014

I didn't regret my vote. I'd ask if they regretted theirs.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
31. If that same person still goes around repeating how poor corporations are unfairly taxed. I'd say
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 07:50 AM
Sep 2014

they're a troll.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
33. It depends.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 08:09 AM
Sep 2014

Am I in the middle of a civilized political discussion with this person? If so, I'd point out why I didn't, and the long-term damage he did to the nation.

If not, if the person is trying to start a politicial conversation I don't want to have, or just trying to push buttons, I'd say, "I'm so sorry." And walk away.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
38. I honestly think this OP is a swipe against Liz Warren.....
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 08:27 AM
Sep 2014

won't work, 34 years ago, etc. And voting for Reagan 34 years ago pales against enthusiastically pushing for the TTP, TTIP, and other "trade" agreements. Talk about not trusting someone, start with the TPP. For me.
Looks like, amidst the sanctimonious cries of "this is still 2014!!!", the vetting has begun for 2016.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
36. My Parents didn't vote for Reagan mainly because (they told me)..."Most actors that worked ...
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 08:11 AM
Sep 2014

...with the man thought he was an idiot and very shallow"

Like Bette Davis>>
"We didn’t think he was terribly bright. For instance, in Dark Victory he is playing a gay man and he never really understood that….He did love to talk, though. He would go on and on and would eventually bore everyone to death. He actually thought he was pretty smart. Jane Wyman divorced him not because she didn't love him but because he was such a damn bore!”

Commenting on his presidential performance, she used a dramatic pause to deliver another wallop: “He’s certainly turning out to be a better actor than any of us ever thought he was.”

OUCH!

RKP5637

(67,102 posts)
42. People make mistakes. It would not matter to me unless they are still ardent believers in
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 08:47 AM
Sep 2014

Reagan today and/or the republican party of today.

rock

(13,218 posts)
43. I voted for Reagan, so I'm that person
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 09:59 AM
Sep 2014

I'd like to tell you why that was my choice. At that time I was not much into politics. The real reason I voted for him was because the democrats picked the poorest strategy they could for convincing me to vote them: they attacked Reagan for being a ex-movie star! Let me restate their logic-drenched argument : "you should vote for the me because my opponent is an ex-movie star." Nothing about what they had done or would do for me and my country but because of the opponent's former profession. I don't feel too bad about my choice based on what the democrats were selling.

Archae

(46,314 posts)
44. I voted for Reagan in 1980. And 1984.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 10:09 AM
Sep 2014

I was 20, and 24 at the time, young, and stupid.

Do I regret it? No.

I'd regret voting for Bush younger, seeing how corrupt and lazy he was.

But I was a different person 30 years ago.

Just an example, my main source of news back then was our local paper and the Reader's Digest.

Mostly, I voted against Carter and Mondale because they seemed so incompetent.

Archae

(46,314 posts)
49. In Wisconsin, someone is a "kid" until they hit 30.
Wed Sep 17, 2014, 11:25 AM
Sep 2014

Seriously, I have heard guys 28, or 29, referred to as "kids."

And what good is feeling regret over a vote?

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