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His record was clear. His intent was clear. I find it difficult to take someone seriously once they admit it to me.
EDIT --- Bad question --
I needed to include the following information. I am curious about people that profess to support the Democratic ideas but still discuss economics issues in ways that support the rights agenda.
elleng
(130,861 posts)and.maybe.have.a.conversation,calm.and.with;facts.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Over the age of 50 and these are Democratic Party types who just didn't like President Carter much at all. I was only 11 when President Reagan became President. We had a mock election in school. I had no idea about politics, but voted for President Carter because a girl I liked voted for him. Majority of the class voted for Reagan. Go figure even 6th graders were very brainwashed.
betsuni
(25,456 posts)Mock election between Nixon and McGovern. The teacher asked us to choose and stand on opposite sides of the room. The Nixon side was crowded. I was the only white kid on the lightly populated McGovern side. I wonder how I even knew to choose a Democrat because my mother later insisted that she and my father had always voted Republican and was insulted that I ever thought they were liberals. I wasn't a very bright child, but I guess I was stupid in a good way because I resisted being brainwashed.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)And if someone was young and relatively politically naïve and cast their first vote ever for Reagan I probably wouldn't hold it against them. If they're still voting Republican today, that's something else.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)it was their first election and they had been indoctrinated in a right-wing fundamentalist home?
And then they got out on their own and got better and have voted Dem ever since?
Because if that were the case I would say "Hey, glad you got over that brainwashing"
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)ripcord
(5,327 posts)find out if he voted for him in 84.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Everybody makes mistakes sometimes.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)You know, just to turn their smarmy sanctimony back on them.
flvegan
(64,407 posts)Or even better, "why can't you spell?"
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)I talk to them as though they were children.
unblock
(52,188 posts)their they clearly lack the ability to look at the results and come to a remotely rational conclusion.
whatever your standards and criteria are, the reality is that democrats are better.
want a balanced budget? clinton and obama, great! shrub, horrible!
want a great stock market? clinton and obama, fantastic! shrub, *the worst ever*!
want smaller government? again, shrub is the worst offender of the last 3 presidents.
want the world to respect us? look what damage shrub did and how they love clinton and obama.
anyone who believes in republican issues and priorities should vote for the democrat!
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)back they could be excused for just not knowing what their party had turned into ... but to remain republican today, one has to be true to the horrific ideals of today's republican party and/or incredibly naive and stupid.
And many republicans are simply robots. They don't bother to understand the issues and do not engage their brain when they vote. And, the new republican party has managed to engage many of the haters in society under one tent.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Unless they do, then quick change the subject. I have no interest in talking to people who are still Republicans after the last 3 decades. However, if they have changed since then even recently I would like to have a long conversation with them. Like the Little Green Footballs guy he has a lot of thoughtful reasons for switching parties.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Since she was a Republican until 1996. I don't have a problem taking her seriously. Do you?
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)I am sure that we will find that she still hold some views that will disturb...
Laelth
(32,017 posts)On social issues, she was always liberal, but she claims she voted for Republicans on economic issues. When she claimed to see the light--that Republican economic policy is disastrous for most people--she switched. On foreign policy, a lot of Democrats remain hawkish, but other than that, I think you'll be hard-pressed to find a subject upon which Elizabeth Warren and most Democrats disagree.
-Laelth
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)I don't trust warren
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Including, ironically, PATCO. He had been governor of a fairly liberal state and been able to deal with the legislature there. He opposed an incumbent who, while a very good man, was a notorious micro-manager who had failed to solve several of the problems people were concerned about (inflation, a rising crime rate, decline of American prestige abroad, the decline of industrial employment -- not my issues, that not being my generation, but things people were very concerned about). His supporters included people like Jim Webb, Elizabeth Warren, and Carolyn McCarthy, all of whom I think are pretty decent people.
still_one
(92,118 posts)of the airline industry
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I keep coming back to that.
still_one
(92,118 posts)GReedDiamond
(5,311 posts)I made the flyer with Brad Frost, and our band - The Hundredth Monkey - played at this very interesting event.
We were way ahead of our time or something.
JI7
(89,244 posts)MFM008
(19,804 posts)never voted again for a Republican.
First time able to vote and didn't pay much attention to the difference between Republican and Democrat.
JHB
(37,158 posts)Are they proud of it?
Do they regret it?
Do they say they regret it but are still squarely behind neoliberal economics and neocon foreign policy?
Context does make a difference.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Second, meh. Let it go. It was 34 years ago. Shit, I think Neil Young may have voted for Reagan in '80, IIRC.
Hell, my dad voted for Nixon .... 3 times!
You gotta let it go.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)by the way that isn't the answer to your question that is a statement of fact.
Seriously are you that shallow you sum up a persons opinion on one or two votes 34 years ago!
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Is there a statute of limitations for mistakes, or poor judgement in your world? Would you denounce anyone who voted a certain way in the past, instead of encouraging them to vote in the future? Your comment shows a serious lack of consideration. Many people have done things with good intentions, or even with bad intentions, and either learned from them, or changed their minds on the wisdom.
Look at the election of 1980 again. Not from what Reagan did, but from the issues facing the people. On one hand, you have President Carter who many will tell you has been spoken of me in the highest terms possible on this very board. I admired his personal integrity, and his willingness to put himself on the line at Three Mile Island. His honesty led him to tell us about the Malaise that he saw gripping the nation. There was, we needed to have faith, and strive for a better future. Unfortunately, his honesty did not play well compared to Reagan's pie in the sky everything will be grand if you elect me speeches.
Reagan offered plans, which were asinine, but they were plans for the future that the public wanted to see, a better nation, a stronger nation. President Carter was more realistic, and that was not the image people wanted especially with the idea that America could be great again, if only we wanted to, and all that had to be done was elect Reagan. The US Hockey Team had touched this desire to beat the Soviets earlier in the Year.
So as an oversimplification, which is what many people tend to do with things, they saw Carter as more suffering, more pain, and more shortages. They saw Reagan as hope, and abundance, and strength. Then in 1984, Reagan's brilliant (I have no idea who came up with the line, but it was bloody brilliant) line about refusing to use his opponents youth and inexperience as an issue won the election. It really did. Because it defined the election in a way that no other single thing did.
So what do you do? Do you blame someone for falling for the hype about the superiority of a product? If it was me, and some how the subject of the President more than thirty years came up, I'd turn the subject to the topic of the next election, and tell them the superiority of the Democratic Candidate.
But you can keep fighting the election of 1980 if you want to. Lot's of people do that sort of thing. Civil War re-enactors for example, love to fight battles from one hundred and fifty years ago. In another decade, folks who want to refight the battles of 1980 may dress up the same way, in period costumes, and speak in arcane ways as they pretend like they are actually there. Let me know when you want to fight the battles of the Iowa Caucus. I probably won't show up, but I'd like to know anyway.
Blue_Adept
(6,397 posts)More and more, the way a lot of Democrats seem to be acting remind me of the purity tests and absolutism that we saw on Free Republic years ago when I first got on DU and we shook our collective heads about that.
Hell, I used to vote for a fair number of Republicans when I was younger - and some of those I would vote for today as well because they were classic New England Republicans and are MORE liberal than a lot of people being elected as Democrats these days.
FFS.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Did you vote for him in 1984 again? Then I start giving them the side eye if they tell me . . . "oh I was a Republican up until the 2008 election".
I always think - How could you? How could you vote for those people even in 1994 when they rode into Washington on a platform of otherism and hatred.
Orrex
(63,199 posts)Of course, I was in 3rd grade, but still.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)He's a moderate 1980's Republican... even today!
deutsey
(20,166 posts)I didn't regret my vote. I'd ask if they regretted theirs.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)they're a troll.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Am I in the middle of a civilized political discussion with this person? If so, I'd point out why I didn't, and the long-term damage he did to the nation.
If not, if the person is trying to start a politicial conversation I don't want to have, or just trying to push buttons, I'd say, "I'm so sorry." And walk away.
djean111
(14,255 posts)won't work, 34 years ago, etc. And voting for Reagan 34 years ago pales against enthusiastically pushing for the TTP, TTIP, and other "trade" agreements. Talk about not trusting someone, start with the TPP. For me.
Looks like, amidst the sanctimonious cries of "this is still 2014!!!", the vetting has begun for 2016.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,563 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...with the man thought he was an idiot and very shallow"
Like Bette Davis>>
"We didnt think he was terribly bright. For instance, in Dark Victory he is playing a gay man and he never really understood that
.He did love to talk, though. He would go on and on and would eventually bore everyone to death. He actually thought he was pretty smart. Jane Wyman divorced him not because she didn't love him but because he was such a damn bore!
Commenting on his presidential performance, she used a dramatic pause to deliver another wallop: Hes certainly turning out to be a better actor than any of us ever thought he was.
OUCH!
Iggo
(47,547 posts)johnp3907
(3,730 posts)They rock!
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)Reagan today and/or the republican party of today.
rock
(13,218 posts)I'd like to tell you why that was my choice. At that time I was not much into politics. The real reason I voted for him was because the democrats picked the poorest strategy they could for convincing me to vote them: they attacked Reagan for being a ex-movie star! Let me restate their logic-drenched argument : "you should vote for the me because my opponent is an ex-movie star." Nothing about what they had done or would do for me and my country but because of the opponent's former profession. I don't feel too bad about my choice based on what the democrats were selling.
Archae
(46,314 posts)I was 20, and 24 at the time, young, and stupid.
Do I regret it? No.
I'd regret voting for Bush younger, seeing how corrupt and lazy he was.
But I was a different person 30 years ago.
Just an example, my main source of news back then was our local paper and the Reader's Digest.
Mostly, I voted against Carter and Mondale because they seemed so incompetent.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Archae
(46,314 posts)Seriously, I have heard guys 28, or 29, referred to as "kids."
And what good is feeling regret over a vote?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)"Stop beating yourself up!"