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kentuck

(111,052 posts)
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:47 PM Sep 2014

Alison Grimes shows Democrats how to expose hypocrisy.

The truth of the matter is that Mitch McConnell doesn't know how to shoot a gun. He could give a shit about the coal miners of Eastern Kentucky. But he will say he is if that will get their support.

Alison Grimes is a good Democratic candidate. Look at the issues she is running on. Don't be confused by the "counter" issues she is running to expose the hypocrisy of Mitch McConnell.

Not only has Bill Clinton campaigned for her but so has Elizabeth Warren. Her issues are raising the minimum wage, womens issues - including equal pay for equal work, preserving Social Security and Medicare, and stopping corporations from shipping jobs overseas. That is what she is running on.

But she is a political realist. She knows that Barack Obama is not popular in most of the state of Kentucky. She understands the power of the coal lobby in the state and the way they have been able to badmouth the EPA. Mitch McConnell wants to ride these issues to another victory. He could care less. He knows how powerful the NRA is in the state. He is not even from the state of Kentucky. He is from Alabama. He has had thirty years in the Senate to help coal miners and to help the state of Kentucky. He has done neither.

If this is what Alison Grimes has to do to expose this fraud, then more power to her.

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Alison Grimes shows Democrats how to expose hypocrisy. (Original Post) kentuck Sep 2014 OP
Big K and R. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #1
k/r Dawson Leery Sep 2014 #2
I need to send at least ten dollars more. Stuart G Sep 2014 #3
She seems to be kicking him where it hurts him the most. arcane1 Sep 2014 #4
WTF!! Pro-gun and pro-coal does not make you a good Democratic candidate. Dawgs Sep 2014 #5
It doesn't mean... kentuck Sep 2014 #6
It does if you're running in Kentucky justiceischeap Sep 2014 #7
"Pro-coal" is usually "pro-jobs"... kentuck Sep 2014 #8
I totally agree with you kentuck justiceischeap Sep 2014 #11
Anti-gun is anti-Democrat aikoaiko Sep 2014 #9
Dangerous ground... kentuck Sep 2014 #10
I agree kentuck. I was just counterbalancing. aikoaiko Sep 2014 #13
I really like Alison. kentuck Sep 2014 #16
HaHa! BrotherIvan Sep 2014 #18
Maybe not, but in Kentucky it makes you an electable one jmowreader Sep 2014 #14
You are delusional if you think an anti-coal, anti-gun Democrat can win in Kentucky. phleshdef Sep 2014 #15
This is her worst ad A Little Weird Sep 2014 #12
I think she may be paying too much attention to the polls... kentuck Sep 2014 #17
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Big K and R.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 03:53 PM
Sep 2014

Someone posted this video earlier today with a completely different take.

Probably has never been to Kentucky, which has some of the nicest people I've met.

Thank you for posting an intelligent and sane commentary to go with the video.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
5. WTF!! Pro-gun and pro-coal does not make you a good Democratic candidate.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:01 PM
Sep 2014

If Democrats can't win without doing shit like this then I want no part of them.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
6. It doesn't mean...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:38 PM
Sep 2014

...that she supports assault weapons or that she is "pro-pollution". Or that she is anti-Obama. She is more progressive than most Democrats on most of the issues. But the reality is that McConnell and the Repubs have distorted the issues to hoodwink the voters in the state. She is setting the record straight.

Anyway, if she were in the Senate, she would have only one vote. There is no evidence that she could persuade the rest of the Senate to vote against the EPA or for gun control or the issues that you are most concerned about. But she could vote to raise the minimum wage and to give equal pay to women. She could vote to stop sending jobs overseas and, instead, send them to Eastern Kentucky.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
7. It does if you're running in Kentucky
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:42 PM
Sep 2014

or West Virginia... there's this thing called reality and the reality is, if a Democratic candidate wants a bit of a chance to win in some states, then he or she must support some things progressive Democrats don't support like being pro-coal or pro-gun.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
8. "Pro-coal" is usually "pro-jobs"...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:45 PM
Sep 2014

in states that have very few jobs. It is important if that is how you put food on the table. And "pro-gun" doesn't mean you support assault weapons or no restrictions on guns whatsoever. There is a lot of gray area on these issues.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
11. I totally agree with you kentuck
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:54 PM
Sep 2014

For some reason it gets under my skin when some Democrat from some other state declares, "They're not MY kinda Democrat!" Too many progressives (of which I consider myself to be a part of) don't understand what it takes to win in some states.

I lived in Missouri until I was twelve and kept up on politics there for some time. You will not get a Democrat elected in that state (on a National level) unless they are a Blue Dog...just isn't going to happen because even if there are Democrats in rural areas, you better believe they are Conservative Democrats.

Grimes not only has to win over Democrats to be successful in Kentucky but she has to pull from a pool of Independents and moderate Republicans and a progressive anti-coal, anti-gun Democrat is not going to do that in Kentucky.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
10. Dangerous ground...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 05:53 PM
Sep 2014

whenever we make a list of issues that disqualify a person from the Party.

What other issues can you think of that would be "anti-Democrat"?

Is there any way that someone might be right on nine out of ten but still not be eligible to be in the Party?

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
16. I really like Alison.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:19 PM
Sep 2014

I don't think she has hurt herself with the voters of Kentucky, especially the women.

jmowreader

(50,530 posts)
14. Maybe not, but in Kentucky it makes you an electable one
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 09:48 PM
Sep 2014

Mitch McConnell seems to be running on a "Alison Grimes is going to take away your guns and destroy your jobs." Alison's response: "Wrong, mother fucker!"

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
15. You are delusional if you think an anti-coal, anti-gun Democrat can win in Kentucky.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 09:53 PM
Sep 2014

This is reality.

Join another party, that's great. At the end of the day, you will NEVER find a party that can actually win majorities, actually obtain enough power to govern AND has pure progressive candidates that agree with every element of the typical liberal platform... or in other words, you will never vote for anyone of consequence.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
12. This is her worst ad
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 09:43 PM
Sep 2014

She is allowing him to define her rather than attacking his lack of accomplishment over 30 years in office. Her ads have been good up until now so I hope this is just a hiccup.


kentuck

(111,052 posts)
17. I think she may be paying too much attention to the polls...
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 11:23 PM
Sep 2014

that show Mitch up by 6-8 points. Personally, I don't think the polls are correct. There are more Democrats in KY than Repubs and Alison has traveled all over the state and she is stirring up a lot of support. I think the pollsters are missing a large. silent majority. I actually believe she is ahead but the only poll that will count will be on election day.

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