Would You Kill and Eat a Dog? Would You Embrace Someone Who Did? C'mon Mitt !!

[K Gardner]

Just wondering, because I saw this on FB and over in Politics, and thought it was a joke. It's not. This Malek guy evidently doesn't like the Jewish people any better than he likes dogs. What is wrong with Mitt Romney? I don't care HOW many years ago this happened. Is he nuts??

http://www.politicker.com/2012/04/12/romney-dog-cookout/

Mr. Malek is hosting a fundraiser for the Romney campaign on Monday in honor of Ann Romney’s birthday. Dogs Against Romney, the stealth PAC backed group dedicated to dogging Mr. Romney about the 1983 incident where he put his Irish Setter on the roof of his car, sent a press release this morning pointing out Mr. Romney’s upcoming fundraiser is hosted by “fellow animal abuser Fred Malek.”

Mr. Malek, who was 22-years-old at the time, was one of five men arrested in August 1959 after police in Peoria, Illinois found them around a grisly scene in a public park where a dog had been skinned, disemboweled and barbecued on a spit. Charges against Mr. Malek were eventually dismissed after one of his companions testified they were solely responsible for killing the animal and attempting to cook it. In 2006, Mr. Malek told Washington Post columnist Colbert King he and the other men arrested at the site of the canine cookout were “drunk out of their minds at the time” and that he merely watched the proceedings and was in no position to stop them.

Mr. Malek, who worked with Presidents Richard Nixon and George H.W. Bush and served as National Finance Committee co-chair of John McCain’s 2008 White House bid, is also no stranger to controversy. During his time in the Nixon administration, Mr. Malek compiled a list of “ethnics,” specifically Jews, in the federal government. In recordings released in 2010, President Nixon was taped instructing Malek “to particularly check the Jews throughout the administration … and see what we can do about them.” In 1988, Mr. Malek resigned from the Republican National Committee over questions about his role in President Nixon’s push to oust Jews from the federal government. Mr. Malek apologized for his involvement, but denied playing a substantial role in the scheme.

[snooper2]

1. What does dog taste like?

[zoechen]

2. What does dog taste like?

Tasty wheat?

[pinboy3niner]

23. Some of the little ones taste like Taco Bell

[Auggie]

3. No and no

I'm aware other cultures do. I couldn't.

[meow2u3]

4. They're two of a kind

One straps dogs on the roof of a car; the other eats your pets.

[K Gardner]

5. I'm so thoroughly disgusted I'm beyond words. He needs to CANCEL this little shindig..

I'm afraid this story might have "legs", horrible pun intended.

[RevStPatrick]

6. If I was hungry enough, sure.

Fortunately, I've never been that hungry.

[Xyzse]

7. ...

Some cultures do eat dog, and China still does. Although there has been some progress made in that sense, to some there, dogs are just like free range cattle.

Be reminded that in other countries dogs go around free range and some are wild. Not every country can have a pound or shelter, where dogs can be looked on as more of a nuisance than a pet.

I had a pet dog once in a different country who, when I was on vacation was eaten instead. No, I can't eat dog as I have had pets but others have different values. Still, can you imagine being the parent of someone who has to tell their 7 year old that his dog was used as a beer accompaniment? I never did completely forgive the guy.

Edit-- In regards to killing a dog, that I have done. I was 11 riding my bike and I got chased by a rabid dog. I am pretty sure it was a stray, no collar or anything, but then again a lot of the dogs there didn't have such things. One thing led to another and yeah, I took it out, I didn't want to get bitten.

[ZombieHorde]

8. What is the difference between killing and eating a dog

and killing and eating a pig?

[LanternWaste]

13. Social and cultural mores.

"What is the difference between killing and eating a dog and killing and eating a pig...?"


In the context of the US, I would hazard the critical difference are our social and cultural mores.

[Schema Thing]

17. yep. Excellent reason not to be judgmental wrt dog munchers.

[LanternWaste]

19. I think we're often judgmental re: cultural mores of both our and other societies

I think we're often judgmental re: cultural mores of both our and other societies-- the debasement and/or virtual slavery of women in many countries being only one of many obvious and valid targets of judgement; or in our own culture, an extremely large family (e.g., the Duggars) appears to often be a legitimate target for judgement.

So I'm not quite convinced that Cultural Mores are, in and of themselves, an excellent reason to avoid either judgement or critique.

[Schema Thing]

28. Not sure being judgemental, per se, is helpful even in those instances.

One can be observant and have a "there but for the grace of The Age of Reason go I" attitude w/o being judgmental about other cultures. It would be one thing if there was some formula for forcing other cultures into a more moral framework within a relatively short amount of time, but so far it hasn't been found. And judging the individuals in those cultures by the standards of your own culture is, well, stupid and republican-ish.


Of course, the Duggars aren't another culture, they are just freaks. Even within the culture that they use to justify their choices, they are freaks. But it's their (bad) choice and there are plenty of people with a responsible quantity of children who do a much less responsible job of raising said children.

[Kalidurga]

9. I can't wrap my mind around how incredibly stupid this is...

this is even beyond tea bagger stupid. It is so epically stupid that it will take me days to overcome the stun effect of this stupidity. My mind is literally derp derp, can't think stupid from just reading about this incredibly stupid move.

Rmoney has two choices to mitagate the damage this move will do to him and it will be damaging. If this was October it would be a surprise. One, he can cancel the event and say he had no idea this guy may have killed and eaten a dog. This is still a bad move, because it can highlight Rmoney's own problem with abusing his dog. Or he can ignore this and pretend later he didn't know what this guy did, this is worse because it will show that he doesn't vet (errrr) people that fund raise for him and he has no curiousity about people that support him and we know people are judged by the company they keep. In this case it is a double whammy shows Rmoney's incompetence and again it highlights the fact that Rmoney had abused his dog. This is so not good. Rmoney's only hope is that this incident doesn't get wide spread coverage. I hope it goes viral on face book and twitter.

[K Gardner]

14. Well, you need to make an OP out of this. I couldn't even put into words MY

derpitude after reading this. You did, and very eloquently at that. Thank you !!

From what I can see on FB from "Dogs Against Romney", it's had 186 "likes" and 250 "shares".

coming soon to a Wall near you...

[Johnny Rico]

10. If I had reason to...sure, why not?

I'm contemplating a trip to China at some point in the future, and there certainly are restaurants there that serve dog. I wouldn't go out of my way to eat such a dish, but I wouldn't say no to it.

[Xyzse]

12. To me that depends

If it is served in a restaurant, I have no problem saying no.
If it is served by someone I am visiting, I'll probably have to take a bite to be polite. (Just before excusing myself to the bathroom or something or another.)

Different cultures allow different things. Sure I don't like it because I do consider dogs as pets, but I can't really fault someone who would eat dog as it is part of their culture. What I do have a problem with however, is killing an animal for the sake of killing and not eating it.

[K Gardner]

16. All of you have good points. And in some cultures, eating dog is part of the societal norm. HOWEVER,

to filet and disembowel one and try to BBQ it while drunk, is another "animal" entirely.

[Xyzse]

18. That is why I mentioned what I don't consider acceptable.

That is, to kill for the sake of cruelty or idiocy, especially if they don't eat it.

[Brother Buzz]

11. Malek graduated West Point and was Army Special Forces as an airborne ranger at the time

Methinks this was a pseudo rite of passage conjured up early, early on before deploying to mysterious Vietnam as a military adviser.

[K Gardner]

15. Ewwww !!! Who thinks up this stuff? ! n/t

[Brother Buzz]

20. Bunch of young scared macho men?

[tabbycat31]

21. Well someone has a problem with dogs

First the roof and now this! Unbelievable. Now all he needs to do is embrace Rick Santorum and add the phrase "man on dog" to his vocabulary.

[KamaAina]

22. This SOB was close to buying the Washington Nationals

Major League Baseball, which owned the then-Montreal Expos, wisely chose a rival group. Otherwise, "hot dogs" at the concession stands wouldn't come on a bun...

[sinkingfeeling]

24. Yikes! How come nothing from past ever haunts a GOP'er, but associations

the President had decades ago make 24/7 news headlines?

[RebelOne]

25. Not even if I was on the brink of starvation.

I am a vegetarian and do not eat any animals.

[Poll_Blind]

26. Narrowly speaking, yes, I would kill and eat a dog and embrace someone who did.

I indirectly pay people all the time to kill pigs, cows & chickens for me so I can eat them. If I had to, I'd kill those to eat them. Dogs are no different. You can make friends with pigs, cows and chickens too. Just because their companionship is nonstandard doesn't mean that people can't have the same sorts of meaningful relationships as they do with dogs or cats.

If I had to, I'd kill and eat rats. Shit, I've been trying to figure out how I can eat ants but I can't find a way to do that safely.

As a meat eater I recognize that meat eating is a nasty business. Go look at some footage of even a koser/halal butchering if you think differently. If you're a meat eater, somebody's gotta die so you can have that meat.

I hate it but I don't hate it so much that I don't do it.

So pigs, chickens, dogs, cats, rabbits, cows, horses...all those guys. I'd eat those if I had to. I'd hate killing a dog, I'm not going to bullshit a bit about that. But if it came down to death or eating something like that, especially to feed my family, that's just the way it would roll.

There are some dogs that would eat me, too, if they were hungry enough. That's just how it is.

I've been slowly explaining this to my youngest son (he just turned 10) so he never mistakes the meat on the table for something that grows on a tree or magically comes out of a box. I'm never overly explicit about it (he is, after all, just a kid) but I make it clear that an animal had to give its life so that we could (in this instance) have this rack of pork ribs that papa's cooking.

I think more people should understand this connection between meat and where it comes from. It's just....yea...there's really no way around it if you're a carnivore.

OH! And BTW, this dude Malek sounds like a sick fuck (and a racist one) and his friends sound like sick fucks too. Oh...And Romney is also a sick fuck for doing that to his dog on the trip. I wouldn't embrace any of them, physically or metaphorically, for a whole host of other reasons.

IMO, all those things in the paragraph above are a given response to anyone who read the OP here which is why I focused on the OP's title for the most part. I noticed a couple of other people also seemed to respond to the title too, basically as a separate issue.

PB

[Zalatix]

29. In India isn't it true that you've committed a sacrilege if you eat beef?

In Islam, eating pork is a hell of a sin.

I keep rubbing my hands with glee at the prospects of hanging Romney over his associations with a dog eater, but I'm not sure if that's really logical...

[SATIRical]

27. How about eating human flesh?

Obviously not killing them to eat. But if it is a Donner Pass type situation where they have already died, could you eat human meat?

I'm pretty sure I could. After the body has died, I guess I just see the body as any other flesh. I'm not sure I understand why we treat it like it is so special.

If you don't believe in an afterlife, it should be no issue.

If you do believe in an afterlife, I wouldn't think it would be an issue in most religions because they also believe the spirit leaves the body.

Am I just...odd?