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Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:10 AM

 

Meet the New War, Same as the Old War



President Barack Obama departs after delivering
a televised address to the nation on his plans for military
action against the Islamic State, from the Cross Hall of
the White House in Washington, Sept. 10, 2014.
(Photo: Saul Loeb / Pool via The New York Times)


Meet the New War, Same as the Old War
By William Rivers Pitt
Truthout | Op-Ed

Thursday 11 September 2014

On the night before the thirteenth anniversary of the September 11 attacks, President Obama delivered a prime-time press conference to discuss the new war in Iraq, which is really the old war, as it never actually ended. It dropped from the headlines here in the US a few years ago, except for an occasional heinous act that got brief ink - a marketplace massacre that killed 150, or a mosque bombing that killed 80 would get some ink and then fade - but people have been dying in Iraq every single day since we stuck our booted toe into their sand eighteen months after the Towers came down.

(snip)

So maybe I'm wrong, and the Wednesday night words of the president will prove prescient, and everything will work out fine...except, by my calculations, every time we drop bombs on a problem that was caused by us dropping bombs, we wind up dropping more bombs to try and solve it, and nothing ever gets fixed, but some people get paid, so the impetus to drop more bombs on the bombs we already dropped increases by order of magnitude, especially when we get the ratings-happy "news" media involved in the show.

There is some controversy over who actually said this, but the line is generally attributed to Albert Einstein. "The definition of insanity," goes the quote, "is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result." Whoever actually said it should be awarded the Nobel Prize, just like the president.

It has been thirteen years since the attacks of September 11, and this nation has spent every one of the 4,745 days between that morning and today in the grips of a media and politics and money-driven high panic. Millions upon millions have been killed, maimed, displaced or bankrupted in the process. ISISISILIS are bad guys, and no mistake, but there are a pile of nations on this planet besides us with standing armies, many of them with a far more vested personal interest in eradicating these lunatics than us. Their militaries are not exhausted like ours is.

"Our endless blessings bestow an enduring burden," said President Obama on Wednesday night, "but as Americans, we welcome our responsibility to lead."

Who is this "we," sir? You got a mouse in your pocket? I can only imagine the comforts that come with living in the White House, but for an enormous swath of the country you lead, the "blessings" you speak of turned to ashes in our mouths a long time ago. The money we are going to spend bombing the problems we caused by bombing the problems we bombed can be better spent creating jobs, repairing infrastructure, and educating our children to know better when a politician comes calling with platitudes about the excellence of the United States before announcing his intention to blow more stuff up.

We were excellent, I suppose. We certainly can be. It has been twenty-four years of this, with the twenty-five years of Vietnam still receding in the rear-view. Imagine if we had those 50 years back, and then imagine what we could do with 50 years unencumbered by profiteering warfare.

Maybe I'm wrong. Enjoy your new war, which is the old war. I'm sure it will all work out just fine.

The rest: http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/26113-william-rivers-pitt-meet-the-new-war-same-as-the-old-war

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:11 AM

1. k&r

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Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:25 AM

2. K&R

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Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:33 AM

3. K&R

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:33 AM

4. It's deja vu all over again. -- Yogi Berra

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:34 AM

5. Yes. Below is a vicious, murderous Nazi explaining how easy it is to get stupid people to go to war.

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY.""

--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

Please, end teh stupid.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:45 AM

44. Zorra, I agree, vicious cycles need to be broken.

Hero worship, people to lazy or uniformed unable to form their own ideas? Critical thinking was one of the pillars for educators from my generation.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:20 AM

123. Great Quote. Thanks. NT

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #123)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:24 AM

128. Weird

Both the candidates in your tag line are nobility, ie, scions of political fathers.

That's how it's done in this great democracy. Just like the aristocracy we fled from...England.


Good candidates both, in any case.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:38 AM

6. To the Greatest Page.

Thank you for cutting through the bullshit and the propaganda clearly and powerfully,

...as many times as necessary.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:00 PM

100. ...

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:43 AM

7. k/r


Except now it has enthusiastic DU boosters!


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Response to marmar (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 03:14 PM

86. There seem to be a number of people for whom objection to wars of choice

 

is not a principled stand, but simply a convenient tool to use against one's political opponents. Thus, when the opponents are not in the White House wars of choice are perfectly acceptable.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:44 AM

8. "We can bomb the world to pieces But we can't bomb it into peace"

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Response to suffragette (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:11 PM

106. Tell that to the Preace Prize Prez!

 

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #106)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 09:25 PM

118. It seems we keep saying it, but those in power

Still won't listen.
Had hoped for more change than we got.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:45 AM

9. Sounds like William didn't get his pony

 

and doesn't keep The List in his pocket.

rec

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:48 AM

10. that piece wrenched at my heart and made my stomach knot

 

history is pointless.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:48 AM

11. It's called "partnering" now

which means we help other people fight wars and sell them weapons.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:59 AM

23. The Revised Marketing Plan....

Agreed upon by the Appropriate Corporate Interests: the the recently revealed "Foreign Funded" U.S. Think Tanks, the MIC, Wall Street, Israel and the Oil and Mineral Rights Conglomerates seeking access.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:08 AM

29. Hillary called them 'proxy wars', like in Libya where we actually did have 'boots' on the ground

but maybe not the feet in the boots, which it was said, were from other 'allied' nations, like Qatar. Some of us spotted those feet among the 'protesters' and began to doubt the 'humanitarian' bombing which killed untold numbers of innocents. The country is now a failed state, like Iraq and Afghanistan, with brutality a way of life for millions of innocents who used to live in a pretty decent place.

Someone else once said that 'money is the root of all evil'.

I wonder if there is any way to make Peace profitable?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #29)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:20 AM

36. I think it probably is possible

to make peace profitable.

It's a big world out there with plenty of potential consumers.

It's more about control and keeping other countries down and keeping the middle class down.

If you remember the Clinton era, it was relatively peaceful and prosperous.

But the neocons don't want that.

They don't want the middle class to feel comfortable and enjoy freedom.

They might become morally shallow and start to think for themselves.

(These thoughts are somewhat influenced by the documentary "The Power of Nightmares".

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #29)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:22 AM

37. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/hr400


If we could rid ourselves of corporate thinking and corporate definitions. Peace is infinitely more profitable to human beings than war, in the most important senses of the word.

We live in a sick corporate Matrix now.


H.R. 400 (110th): War Profiteering Prevention Act of 2007

Introduced:
Jan 11, 2007 (110th Congress, 2007–2009)
Status:
Died (Passed House) in a previous session of Congress

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #37)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:01 PM

72. Didn't know about that. War should NEVER be profitable financially for anyone. I often wondered

why there were no laws preventing profiteering from war.

Maybe it's time to introduce it again, and again and again until it passes.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #72)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:24 PM

80. If there was no profiteering, there would be no war.

Since ancient times war has been about getting someone else's land, water and gold. All that nationalism rhetoric is to convince the foot soldiers and other cannon fodder to give up their lives for God, Country and King so the upper classes can enjoy a luxurious life style.

Maybe that should be our next effort. Pass laws making it a crime to profit from war. If the penalties to pay are very stiff and dire, you might find a sudden big lack of interest from the MIC to engage in any but the most necessary of wars of defense.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #80)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:13 PM

108. War = Death = Profit

 

= $$$

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:20 AM

35. Probably both sides

 

sell them weapons.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:42 PM

96. who will then turn into enemies that we can fight all over again!

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:50 AM

12. We can't be honest and say we fucked up with Iraq ...but we're not going back to fix it.

 

Can't bring Saddam back. For that matter we can't undo what the UK did to the region. To say we fucked up is to lose face ...like a Mafia don would say.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:52 AM

13. This is nonsense....

 

... what could possibly go wrong?

All our military adventures since WWII have ended up with clear-cut victories over evil. We've spread democracy, freedom, and justice. Our spotless record of defending human rights throughout the world has earned us the praise of everyone. What could possibly go wrong with a bombing campaign against a few extremists? It can't possibly draw us into a larger war. It can't possibly earn us the enmity of anybody. We can bomb our way to peace, just as we have in the past.

Do I even need to add the icon..?

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:44 AM

43. "If you want peace

you gotta have war."
(George W. Bush)

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #13)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:16 PM

121. Sadly, yes you do have to use the sacasm thingy...

... because we have a hoard of DUers who sound just like that right now.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:52 AM

14. I think you ARE wrong.

My insight on this subject can be found HERE.

-Laelth

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Response to Laelth (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:24 AM

124. And Sadly, I think you are misguided

I did respond to your thoughts on that post, BTW.

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Response to hueymahl (Reply #124)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 08:10 AM

129. Thanks for the response. Bonus kick for your thread. n/t

-Laelth

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:53 AM

15. I'd point out that Shrubya was rightly castigated for doing nothing until after 9/11.

Criticizing PBO for not acting like Bush seems specious, to say the very least.

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Response to riqster (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:55 AM

18. I don't see that Will is criticizing PBO for "not acting like Bush".

 

but continue with your rah rah war and bombs and money line.

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Response to riqster (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:56 AM

20. Please find the word "Bush" in my article.

 

I'll wait.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:59 AM

21. You advocate a similar course of action. The name is not required.

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Response to riqster (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:10 AM

30. When was Bush castigated for NOT going to war before 9/11?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #30)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:27 AM

39. He was castigated for ignoring the threat and doing nothing.

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Response to riqster (Reply #39)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:04 PM

53. Yes, and what does that have to do with THIS. There was NO NEED for bombs IF he had paid attention

the Intel Warnings. I just read that we are NOT in any danger from ISIS, from two members of this administration. So why are we going back to war again??

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #53)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:26 PM

58. American assets overseas are at risk.

Which those administration members also said.

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Response to riqster (Reply #58)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:37 PM

66. American assets?? Exactly what right does America have to other people's stuff?

You said that, and I'm sure so did they, with a straight face.

And who benefits from those 'assets'? I don't recall meeting a single person who benefited from any of our wars, quite the contrary actually.

So, what are these assets a few people will profit from? And did you mean to be sarcastic?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #53)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:28 AM

132. There was no need for bombs anyway.

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Response to riqster (Reply #39)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:13 PM

55. Of course he was criticized for not taking the threat seriously and

 

taking actions. But those actions were not declaring war. There was a lot of actions that would have prevented the disaster short of war.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #55)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:27 PM

59. The point is: action now can cut down on the overall amount of action required.

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Response to riqster (Reply #59)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:30 PM

61. That's always the rationalization for preemptive war. nm

 

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Response to riqster (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:13 AM

33. Your logic is flawed

Bush was President for 6 months pre-911 to your point castigation of Bill Clinton on the issue would have been more appropriate. However, for those of us that were truly against war for wars sake, I say Obama is channeling his inner Cheney at the moment, I believe in his speech he even used a "with us or against us" type of line.... Oh Well, sign the petition to demand Obama return the Nobel Peace Prize or the idea behind the prize is worthless...

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Response to humbled_opinion (Reply #33)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:28 AM

40. Incorrect. Read the 9/11 commission report.

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Response to riqster (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:11 PM

75. Obama is NOT being criticized here for "not acting like Bush"

For what lack of action do you think we have castigated Bush for "doing nothing until after 9/11"?

Your conflation with criticism of PBO is built on the assumption the action Bush failed to take before 9/11 involved bombing other countries.

Totally specious on your part.

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Response to riqster (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:43 PM

98. In this case, ISIL did not threaten us til after we started bombing them.

 

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Response to riqster (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:01 PM

101. and furthermore how can it possibly be the same

the WMD lie was what functioned them.

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Response to riqster (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:05 PM

105. People are never satisfied with the President

 

Or the government in general.

Welcome to America.

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Response to riqster (Reply #15)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 08:14 AM

130. This is basic. Bush didn't act on a specific threat.

 

There was no question about what OBL's goals were.

Here, IS is not a threat to the US, Obama told us they are not planning to hit us. Try are a regional group.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:53 AM

16. You wrote this before he spoke, come on, come clean

 

We know you did!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:54 AM

17. Thanks for a great post

If only we were as excellent at leading toward peace as we are at starting or continuing wars. We could truly be an exceptional nation.

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Response to locks (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:03 AM

25. +1000 nt

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Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:04 AM

26. So now being against interventionist military misadventures is Obama Derangement Syndrome?


Jesus, Mary & Joseph. ...... The shark has been jumped. Along with the whale and the elephant seal.


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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:14 AM

34. When did you start reading anything he's posted?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #34)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:53 PM

91. I wish

 

the admins would stop letting repeats back on this site, they just say the same old boring crap and eventually get PPRd for the same old trolling crap.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:59 AM

22. Tom Toles thinks the same way

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Response to n2doc (Reply #22)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:02 AM

24. Love that Toles!

Captures our personal reaction to watching the Speech last night....

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Response to n2doc (Reply #22)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:51 AM

46. it's the shock doctrine on steroids

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:08 AM

28. K&R

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:11 AM

31. I hope we are wrong, but I fear we are not.

War is our new normal.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #31)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:04 PM

54. War is the HUMAN normal...we simply refuse to evolve away from it.

We are a pathetic species on whole - capable of the sublime, mired in the ridiculous. There has NEVER been a truly time of "peace" in recorded history, and in fact nearly non-stop warfare has raged since the earliest recorded history.

If you simply start with the Greeks (or take the Egyptians if you wish...as an arbitrary starting point, because the same is true throughout history), civilization has been sustained by and supported warfare in general.

There is an unbroken chain of violence and wickedness that stretches from before Alexander the Great all the way to beyond George the Lesser. Invasions, civil wars, wars of independence, crusades, kings fighting against kings using the children of surfs to nations fighting against nations using the children of the poor and the economically destitute. Wars for "freedom" (War of Independence) and wars for slavery (US Civil War). Wars for revenge. Wars for oil. Wars on drugs. Wars for drugs. Lip service wars on poverty. Wars for diamonds. Wars for coffee, tea and cocoa. Wars for land. Wars for water. Wars as games. Star Wars. War footing. War drums. Marches to war.

Over and over and over and over again...

War IS humanity.
We are incapable of NOT having it going at all times.
If there were two humans left on the planet, they would fight and after killing the other, the winner would start looking askew at his own relflections.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #54)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:19 PM

56. Very well crafted post.

Succinct, accurate.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #54)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:51 PM

71. sadly, you are correct!

We humans are base and petty creatures that know no other state than that of conflict! Eloquently stated and, sadly, true.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #31)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:00 PM

94. War has been our normal for decades now, maybe even a half century.

 

The PTB pretend like THIS is war and is special, yet we are always fighting in some war around the globe. America is the War Nation, anyone blind to that doesn't really pay any attention at all to modern American history.

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Response to Rex (Reply #94)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:03 PM

95. You got that right Rex. America is the war nation.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:19 AM

122. Not so new...

... people just can't get used to life in an EMPIRE.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:11 AM

32. President Obama needs to fire his entire team of

advisors, war mongers and those who have been bought and sold so many times before. I cringe every time anyone blurts out the claim of American exceptionalism. We are at the mercy of used car salesmen. There is nothing exceptional about buying that piece of junk.

"Our endless blessings bestow an enduring burden," said President Obama on Wednesday night, "but as Americans, we welcome our responsibility to lead."

Who is this "we," sir? You got a mouse in your pocket? I can only imagine the comforts that come with living in the White House, but for an enormous swath of the country you lead, the "blessings" you speak of turned to ashes in our mouths a long time ago. The money we are going to spend bombing the problems we caused by bombing the problems we bombed can be better spent creating jobs, repairing infrastructure, and educating our children to know better when a politician comes calling with platitudes about the excellence of the United States before announcing his intention to blow more stuff up.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:52 AM

47. "Our endless blessings bestow an enduring burden,"

Ah, good old paternalistic 'White man's burden', used by Britain and the US to justify colonialism and neocolonialism for centuries. It doesn't sound any better now than it ever did.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #47)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:35 PM

62. Right you are Nurse Erich, thank you, well said n/t

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:21 PM

78. And instead he should do........?

Nothing? Well, ISIS is ethnically cleansing the areas it is conquering. Doing nothing means they keep slaughtering.

This is a situation where there is no good solution. This situation is the primary reason Cheney and his team of morons should not have invaded Iraq. But they did.

We're left with the mess they created. We can ignore it, and many thousands die. Or we can try to help clean it up....and fewer thousands die.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #78)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:32 PM

84. Perhaps we can do at least one thing...

and that is to stop arming those we eventually bomb.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #78)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:22 PM

88. "fewer thousands die" ??

Many, many more thousands died from our intervention in Iraq,
and Libya looks to be following the same pattern.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:16 PM

109. He's been getting bad advice from somewhere.

 

How about just talking to those Dems who did not vote for the Iraq War Resolution?

How about everyone who did not want to bomb Syria a year ago?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:26 AM

38. You'd think that our military would occasionaly win one of these uneccesary wars.

 

Of course, we are assured that this time will be different.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:40 AM

41. Remember when a president from Texas

who took office under unusual circumstances got us into a war predicated on lies?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:40 AM

42. "Our endless blessings" if he worked as hard at doing an end run around Congress to restore this as

he has on running his drone assassination program, letting Wall Street pick their regulators, and prosecuting whistleblowers, he would be at LEAST as good a president as LBJ.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:49 AM

45. If we think about this logically for a moment, and put emotions and politics aside, it seems

pretty obvious that this is exactly what ISIS wanted us to do (not to mention the Neo-cons). Thom Hartman read an excerpt from Osama Bin Laden last week that said something to the effect of, "all we have to do is send someone to the farthest corner of the Earth and have him wave an Al Queada flag, and the US will send thousands of troops and billions of dollars to go get him."

Of course we can't allow these assholes to go around executing Americans for the sake of making videos, but playing this game of cat and mouse on their terms is foolish. I am sure we can all suggest better strategies of dealing with this, but I am afraid that once again, Obama has caved to pressure from the right to "just bomb somebody already!"

He sells us, as well as himself, short by doing this. Obama does his best when he actually thinks for himself.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:52 AM

48. If bush used the anniversary of 9/11 to sell us another war, this place would be livid

But Obama is doing it, so it must be needed. So lets hear it for another open ended war with a vague mission statement and no real measurable objectives. Hoo fuckin ray

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #48)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:37 PM

65. But a lot of us are livid about it this time too.

I know I am. But at the same time I blame shrub for getting us into this mess in the first place. But having said that, I voted for Obama because I thought he would get us out of Bush's mess, not contribute to it.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:52 AM

49. Very lazy and superficial thinking. Saddam had not killed US citizens and was not threatening anyone

 

I wouldn't mind if you simply said you disagreed with the reasons for going to war and here (x, y, z) are the reasons why.

But saying this is the same as the 2003 Iraq war is so obviously wrong and the implications so nasty (Obama making same decisions as G.W. Bush) that it needs to be pointed out.

Iraq in 2003 was a state that was not threatening anyone and was complying with every request from the US and international community.

Comparing that with ISIS and saying "oh, they're the same" is the kind of sorry, pathetic analysis I would expect from a Sarah Palin or Michele Bachmann.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #49)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:36 PM

64. Perhaps you are missing the solutions to the problem as the blogger has clearly presented them?

Its in there somewhere between "another viet nam" "I told you so" and, 'going back in time and changing the course of history.'

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Response to GusBob (Reply #64)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:49 PM

68. LMAO, yes. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #49)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:02 PM

102. +1

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:53 AM

50. K&R....

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 11:54 AM

51. It is the old war, in fact, Obama admitted ISIL is al Qeada.

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:02 PM

52. ...

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:20 PM

57. K&R

Nothing to add, you've said it all.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:29 PM

60. We need to get over our PTSD from Bush, Junior's time.

 

Obama is not the same as Bush. His policies are not the same as Bush's. Going after ISIS is not the same as invading a peaceful country.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:35 PM

63. This would be a good time for our ally Israel to get on board

With this coalition "We're" forming. We will need boots on the ground and their boots are pretty close to the enemy. Their proximity to Syria should be a motivating factor.
They've been in fighting mode lately so BHO should get his buddy Bebe on the horn and get something for our $!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:46 PM

67. the best national security strategy is

kindness. If we really want to win hearts and minds, we should help people help themselves. When people have some level of prosperity, they have hope. Where there is hope, militants become irrelevant.

I agree that we need to fix the terrible problems at home. But I think that a good chunk of the defense department budget could also be used helping impoverished countries.

People are weary of war. They WILL respond to kindness, peace, and hope. They will respond to a better future for their children.


I guess many will find my words naive and silly. But that's what I want for us all. Peace. Kindness. Good health. I want a world where we can rise above what's worst of humanity and become what makes us wonderful.

Nice OP, Mr. Pitt. Thank you.

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Response to shireen (Reply #67)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:36 PM

112. That's one thing I really admire about John F. Kennedy

He tried the kindness approach by establishing the Peace Corps and the Alliance for Progress.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:50 PM

69. K&R

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 12:50 PM

70. It's like an alien invasion..

It will take the best minds in the world to fix this. Thank God our President is one of them. As for enemies; maybe we should consider this like an 'alien invasion'. Forget being former enemies... we have to get together and stop them!

I think it's much worse than we are led to believe. The President is doing everything he can to let us 'not panic'. The world is too intertwined, what happens over there, affects us HERE...oil, economies, WMD's. They don't HAVE to come here to hurt us.

Has anyone realized that they are getting very close to Israel? And we know what they think of them. THAT would be a worldwide catastrophe. THAT would be Total WAR!

This ISIS group is made up of mostly Sunni's (who WERE the majority in Iraq before the war) ..millions of which were pushed out of their country. The 200,000'collateral damage -killed, probably making each one of these ISIS people, relatives of theirs...Mothers, children, wives. How callus we were. If these people were blonde, named "Johnny" and wearing Nike's.. we'd be out of our minds with RAGE. (The same with the Palestinians. Our shame.) And we gave the country to the extremely revengeful Shi'ites. What did we think would happen. Turmoil in Syria, weapons available - there you go. And these people don't mind dying. They're promised immediate access to heaven.

Lord knows what weapons they now have in their possesion, including missiles. They have Generals and military from the former Iraq Army leading them. The thing is - they have nothing to lose. They've already lost it.

The good news - we have weapons that no one knows about, not just drones and surveillance. If President Obama can fix this (and he's the only one who possibly could)i in 20 years he'll be the ALL TIME HERO of the world. I know, we don't trust anyone anymore, constant feed from our idiot media and Republicans, but -- we don't have a choice.

Just have to sit out here in our computer chairs..kabitzing about - what WE"d do.

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Response to Docross (Reply #70)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 12:32 AM

125. The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

Oh lord, the Sky is falling!

Fool me once (or ten times, more like it), shame on you. Won't be fooled again.

Sorry, but your post is strait out of the Neocon playbook.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:04 PM

73. "...our responsibility to lead"? When was this decided then? The rest of us must have missed that.

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:07 PM

74. This is Insane

 

And the Middle Eastern images in the video are positively eerie.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:13 PM

76. Thank you Will.

You put my thoughts onto paper much better than I could. I totally agree with every word you said, except the part about this coming out fine. We both know we are just creating new bombing situations. The world is not with us at all, they know this is just more American adverturism and as you elegantly stated profit opportunities.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:16 PM

77. Did you do any research on 'smart bombs' ?

From the entire article...
but here's a pro tip: "smart" bombs are not smart. They require troops on the ground to lase the intended targets, so the guidance systems on the bombs can find them. President Obama himself said on Wednesday night that some 150 airstrikes had been carried out against ISIS, ISIL or IS, whatever you want to call them. One assumes the US Special Forces troops hiding in a bush with the laser guidance apparatus wore boots while they augured the munitions in.


I'm not a weapons expert or anything close, but I believe what you're referring to is old technology.

"The preeminent smart-bomb technology of the day is Boeing's JDAM, which stands for Joint Direct Attack Munition... The JDAM "tail kit" includes adjustable tail fins, a control computer, an inertial guidance system and a GPS receiver. Both the GPS receiver and the inertial guidance system allow the bomb to locate itself in space. The GPS receiver figures out its position by interpreting GPS satellite signals while the inertial guidance system monitors the bomb's movements, tracking its path from its launch position...

This system works fine even in bad weather, because the JDAM gets all its information from satellite signals, which aren't blocked by cloud cover or obstacles. The bomb doesn't have to see anything at all to find its way to the target.
"

http://science.howstuffworks.com/smart-bomb2.htm

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Response to delete_bush (Reply #77)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:36 PM

85. I did.

 

And:

“I know there are already American boots on the ground where I am now,” Engel told MSNBC, adding, “They are troops who are staying away from reporters, they are embedded with local fighters trying to guide in air strikes, gathering intelligence — the kind of thing you would have thought the Green Berets would have done many years ago, and which are now being done by Navy SEALS and Delta Force and other Special Operations Forces.”

Right there on live TV last night.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:21 PM

79. knr

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:30 PM

81. Like water on a rock...

Even the hardest stone is soon wore down.

With the media and the politicians and the MIC constantly pushing for war, it was just a matter of time before the President wore down and agreed that war was the only solution.

No doubt they are a threat to Americans that are in Iraq and Syria. Whether they are a threat to Americans living in America is still open to question?

It seems to me that we lose if we win.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 01:32 PM

82. Some odd things I'm seeing

Not your post which is good as usual but odd back drops or subliminals in the photos of this speech.

1. the microphones.......look like tiny darth vader type entities...



2. the back drop, who picked that?
I've only seen pictures and so far
some weird shit. Almost like it gives him a head ornament.




3. I'm weird and I know it. but perpetual war is not my thing.





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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 02:00 PM

83. Blood begets blood endlessly.

 

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Response to JEB (Reply #83)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 03:20 PM

87. Just a little Elizabethan English grammar note:

You have incorrectly used and misspelled the past tense third person singular conjugation of the verb "to beget." Present tense third person singular is "begets."

Your post title should read, "Blood begets blood endlessly."

It's a common error, since we don't use that verb much anymore. Just thought you'd like to know, so you could correct your error on edit.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #87)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 08:08 PM

116. Oopsy. Thanks for the correction.

 

As you say not a verb I use very often.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:44 PM

89. I hope everyone reads this!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:46 PM

90. We won't get fooled again!

 

Or will we?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:54 PM

92. K&R

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 04:59 PM

93. K&R

nt

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 05:43 PM

97. Regarding Obama's new war -- Most tremendously awful quote regarding life in modern times:

[h2][font color=red]

This time it will all be different.

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I forget who first said this, but it is applicable to this week's events.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 06:03 PM

99. your consistent

 

I respect that part of you

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:04 PM

103. It's almost like George W. Bush never left.

 

Really, though: Who runs Washington DC? I know there's the figure-head President, but really, what organizations are running this nation and pulling all the strings???

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:04 PM

104. junior must be getting his jollies up big-time!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:17 PM

110. Can I get an AMEN?!

K&R
and tweet
and email
and anything else I can do


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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:18 PM

111. yup nt

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:38 PM

113. K&R

Against the Viet Nam War. Against the Iraq Wars. Against the Afghanistan War. Against War.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 07:42 PM

114. Photo in OP...stark view of Obama Turning his Back on the Podium..and the Mikes......

Symbolic in some way. I think he's HAD ENOUGH...

Don't know how that will work out going forward. But, if I was in his "shoes" ....might have done the same thing.

"GIVE 'EM WHAT THEY WANT".....and cut out....let it go and then figure the next step.

It's hard to know yet what to think of him and his Presidency....but, I have much empathy for him....seeing this photo.

It's BEYOND PRESIDENCY........it's at the ROOT of our AMERICAN CONSTITUTION...and the RW who Wants to Destroy it and the Enablers on the Left who try to hold it...but get caught up in the Theatrics while failing to build their OWN STRONG COUNTER CULTURE to DEFEND.

No PRESIDENT can deal with it these days after the whole thing was given away by "well meaning but influenced by Think Tank/Wallstreet/MSM/MIC beholden.....preceding Presidents in a long line of giving away the Peoples Rights vs. the Corporations and Other Interests.

WALK AWAY..........

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 08:08 PM

115. I have your first book.

I still agree.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 08:48 PM

117. We'll, so much for not doing stupid shit

He's fully stepping into it.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 09:33 PM

119. Our Motherland, Oceania, has joined forces with Eurasia to defeat Eastasia, victory shall be ours.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Sep 11, 2014, 10:03 PM

120. America Fuck Yeah!




Thank you, Will, for saying what needs to be said...

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 01:13 AM

126. K&R

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 02:19 AM

127. I think Obama's full of shit on this.

I don't think I will be able to forgive him. Worse, I don't think he'll be able to forgive himself.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Sep 12, 2014, 08:51 AM

131. "Enjoy your new war, which is the old war. I'm sure it will all work out just fine."

 

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Well and bravely said. Thank you for your principled stand on this frightful situation.

Regarding the new/old war, somehow I doubt many here will actually "enjoy" it that much.

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