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big_dog

(4,144 posts)
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:37 PM Sep 2014

Jennifer Lawrence, Kate Upton Nude Photos To Be Shown In Florida Art Exhibit (lifesized--on canvas)

In a shocking turn of events, hacked nude photos that are causing such a legal frenzy in Hollywood, will now go ON DISPLAY at an art exhibit! The recently leaked private images of Jennifer Lawrence and Kate Upton will be featured at a St. Petersburg gallery as a part of Los Angeles artist XVALA's 'Fear Google' campaign Oct. 30 Jennifer Lawrence and Kate Upton's recent viral private photos are heading to an art exhibit.

St. Petersburg, Fla., gallery Cory Allen Contemporary Art announced that the leaked nude images of the Hollywood stars would "be the latest additions to (Los Angeles) artist XVALA's 'Fear Google' campaign and will be on display to the public," according to a press release. The pictures will be "printed on canvas, life-size and unaltered" in CACA's upcoming show, titled "No Delete." The artist has a seven-year collection of "images found on Google of celebrities in their most vulnerable and private moments, that were comprised by either hackers or the paparazzi," the release continued.


"XVALA appropriating celebrity compromised images and the overall 'Fear Google' campaign has helped strengthen the ongoing debate over privacy in the digital era," the gallery's Cory Allen said. Leaked images of Kate Upton and other celebs will be 'printed on canvas, life-size and unaltered' when displayed in the art exhibit.

"The commentary behind this show is a reflection of who we are today," Allen said. "We all become 'users' and in the end, we become 'used.'" "In today's culture, everybody wants to know everything about everybody. An individual's privacy has become everyone else's business," XVALA said. Leaked images of Kate Upton and other celebs will be 'printed on canvas, life-size and unaltered' when displayed in the art exhibit.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/jennifer-lawrence-kate-upton-leaked-photos-shown-exhibit-article-1.1927689

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Jennifer Lawrence, Kate Upton Nude Photos To Be Shown In Florida Art Exhibit (lifesized--on canvas) (Original Post) big_dog Sep 2014 OP
As part of the "Fear Google" lapfog_1 Sep 2014 #1
That stuff is not in the public domain. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #4
not if J-Law's ex boyfriend claims owernship of the pictures big_dog Sep 2014 #6
You don't understand IP law, do you? The photos were stolen. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #8
Yes, I understand that. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #11
Yes, it was equivalent. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #17
Copyright issues and invasion of privacy issues hifiguy Sep 2014 #31
no, they aren't. lapfog_1 Sep 2014 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author big_dog Sep 2014 #20
TMI lapfog_1 Sep 2014 #23
the problem is that the context of the photos are totally missing in this story big_dog Sep 2014 #26
What the fuck? NuclearDem Sep 2014 #48
Pretty sure the "facial" pics Dr Hobbitstein Sep 2014 #54
The stars still own the copyright to their own pictures -- so no, it is not public domain pnwmom Sep 2014 #42
No. They're not. That's not how public domain works. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #51
I shouldn't have used a legalistic term. I just meant they were out in the public. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #52
I think public pressure might get that exhibit shut down Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #2
one phone call from Detroit Tiger hurler Justin Verlander would shut down 1/2 the exhibit big_dog Sep 2014 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Laelth Sep 2014 #27
No, it's not. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #5
Yeah, it is. eom MohRokTah Sep 2014 #7
Yes, it is. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #49
We'll see Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #55
check your raincoat at the door policy big_dog Sep 2014 #61
Oh so WE weren't supposed to see them underpants Sep 2014 #9
their Facebook page if you care to comment Beaverhausen Sep 2014 #10
this will be global world wide news by the weekend big_dog Sep 2014 #14
Just to let everyone know, I don't care a flying fig Quantess Sep 2014 #13
i think J-Law wishes it was just about the boobies big_dog Sep 2014 #21
Sigh... My fault for posting at all. Quantess Sep 2014 #32
I know, right? cwydro Sep 2014 #47
ZOMG BOOBIES! nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #56
indeed. Marlene Dietrich once said hifiguy Sep 2014 #58
That is excellent. nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #60
Unless permission is granted from the victims. They are committing a crime still_one Sep 2014 #15
Surely they can get a court order to stop this? BainsBane Sep 2014 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Laelth Sep 2014 #29
It is shameful that these photos are in the public AngryAmish Sep 2014 #35
there are films too apparently from what TMZ said big_dog Sep 2014 #57
I sincerely wish some artist would secretly follow "XVALA" and get the most revealing, unflattering KittyWampus Sep 2014 #18
Someone is angling for 15 minutes of fame. Or infamy. Whatever. -eom- HuckleB Sep 2014 #19
the problem is that this is bordering on infamy for J-Law too big_dog Sep 2014 #22
Ethics matter. So, exactly. HuckleB Sep 2014 #25
Infamy? AngryAmish Sep 2014 #37
New Laws Needed sub.theory Sep 2014 #24
CA's new "revenge porn" law is a start anyway. n/t nomorenomore08 Sep 2014 #59
That artist doesn't have the copyright on the photos. tammywammy Sep 2014 #28
There are loopholes for artistic expression flamingdem Sep 2014 #34
Indeed there are. hifiguy Sep 2014 #36
Those loopholes don't allow a whole image to be appropriated. pnwmom Sep 2014 #43
Crazy thing is that if there's a lawsuit the artist flamingdem Sep 2014 #45
Yeah, I know what you mean. Artists suck. Hissyspit Sep 2014 #50
Artists don't suck flamingdem Sep 2014 #53
Googleheim is the new Guggenheim Blue Owl Sep 2014 #30
Copyright and stolen property issues aside, cemaphonic Sep 2014 #33
If there is a legal remedy hifiguy Sep 2014 #38
That's a few blocks from where I work...I wonder if people will see it? Sancho Sep 2014 #39
Will the exhibit be considered a "sex crime" phil89 Sep 2014 #40
While the law may be an ass hifiguy Sep 2014 #44
will not. they know it. C&D order = no prints. elehhhhna Sep 2014 #41
This is so much more than about Google or the failures of the cloud. alarimer Sep 2014 #46

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
1. As part of the "Fear Google"
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:41 PM
Sep 2014

exhibit, would the artist also post their credit card information, PIN codes, and other personal data?

 

big_dog

(4,144 posts)
6. not if J-Law's ex boyfriend claims owernship of the pictures
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:50 PM
Sep 2014

because more than likely the pics were taken way before she was dating Chris Matin of Coldplay

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
31. Copyright issues and invasion of privacy issues
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:43 PM
Sep 2014

are two entirely different things that people are conflating in this discussion.

To prove damages in copyright you have to prove that the infringer cost you money by reason of its infringement - i.e., someone who sells bootleg DVDs who is damaging the copyright owner's work by selling bootlegs and depriving the holder of profits to which they are legally entitled. This does not necessarily involve copyright unless the photographer wants to pursue such a (dubious, on the face of it) claim. If the photographer had no intention of making money off the pictures, there are no damages, and where there are no damages, a case may be summarily dismissed under Rule 12 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and its analogs which exist in every state in the union. At least that is what I was taught in law school.

An invasion of privacy claim - which is a purely civil tort action, not a criminal one - stands on different grounds entirely, but in all likelihood could only be brought against whoever hacked and uploaded the pix in the first place. And if it is a teenage hacker he is almost certainly judgment proof (a/k/a stone broke); the plaintiff in such cases is, to use a term i have heard a few judges and lawyers use, shit out of luck, damages-wise.

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
12. no, they aren't.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:03 PM
Sep 2014

Stolen information is not "public domain" even if it posted on public websites.

But why private images (unless some sort of shaming or titillation is involved)?

Why are images taken in private, stored with the expectation of privacy... any different than medical records or financial data.

Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #12)

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
23. TMI
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:36 PM
Sep 2014

but the issue is that this private information, because it is nude photographs, is somehow different than credit card numbers or medical files. I don't think it is. People have a right to photograph or video themselves in private moments, nude or not, covered in DNA or not, whatever... and they have a right to expect that this information remains private, even when stored on public computer networks, if said storage and networks make a claim of privacy (and they ALL say "SECURE" someplace in the advertisement).

That someone stole them does not somehow make them public domain.

 

big_dog

(4,144 posts)
26. the problem is that the context of the photos are totally missing in this story
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:39 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:35 PM - Edit history (2)

i realized that cultural norms are changeable and hard to define, but an exhibit of hard porn should have certain limitations (like 1,000 feet from a school) and most likely is not covered under the first amendment

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
42. The stars still own the copyright to their own pictures -- so no, it is not public domain
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:44 PM
Sep 2014

just because some hacker stole the photos and put them on the internet.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
51. No. They're not. That's not how public domain works.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:39 PM
Sep 2014

Works enter the public domain a certain period of time after the author's death.

That's why places like ISOHunt have been shut down.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
52. I shouldn't have used a legalistic term. I just meant they were out in the public.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:48 PM
Sep 2014

As I pointed out in another post, the point is that their demand that the artist release personal financial information is not an effective accusation of hypocrisy, because those things are not in the public.

Whatever legal recourse the celebrities have against the use of the images in art or satire or news, it is not equivalent to the point that poster was making.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
2. I think public pressure might get that exhibit shut down
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:42 PM
Sep 2014

it's pure publicity whoring at it's most shameless and cynical...

 

big_dog

(4,144 posts)
3. one phone call from Detroit Tiger hurler Justin Verlander would shut down 1/2 the exhibit
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 04:46 PM
Sep 2014

via copyright laws used so far in this case

Response to big_dog (Reply #3)

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
55. We'll see
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:17 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Thu Sep 4, 2014, 09:43 PM - Edit history (1)

This whole "Come see celebrity nips! And while you're here, check out our other art!" campaign just to bump up attendance will leave a sour taste in some people's mouths...

Not to mention they might attract a totally different "art crowd" than the one they normally get...

 

big_dog

(4,144 posts)
14. this will be global world wide news by the weekend
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:03 PM
Sep 2014

because of the first amendment issues and privacy questions it raises

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
13. Just to let everyone know, I don't care a flying fig
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:03 PM
Sep 2014

about boobs. If women were in charge of things, this would not be a big issue.

 

big_dog

(4,144 posts)
21. i think J-Law wishes it was just about the boobies
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:23 PM
Sep 2014

this goes way past playful selfies with a college boyfriend

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
32. Sigh... My fault for posting at all.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:45 PM
Sep 2014

I really don't give a shit, at all. I don't give a flying fig.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
56. ZOMG BOOBIES!
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:29 PM
Sep 2014

Y'know, I appreciate the female form as much as any heterosexual man, but the adolescent slobbering (and/or shock and horror) over certain body parts makes me think that we, as a culture, need to grow the fuck up.

(Note that my comment has nothing to do with invasion of anyone's privacy, which is wrong. Period.)

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
58. indeed. Marlene Dietrich once said
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:36 PM
Sep 2014

"Sex: In America an obsession. In other parts of the world a fact."

Response to BainsBane (Reply #16)

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
35. It is shameful that these photos are in the public
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:05 PM
Sep 2014

As a pure intellectual matter, what if the artists changed the photos in some way. Did Campbell's have a case against Warhol for copywrite or trademark infringement?

And does ejaculate create the transformation?

I don't know enough about copywrite.

 

big_dog

(4,144 posts)
57. there are films too apparently from what TMZ said
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 08:33 PM
Sep 2014

so this a-hole can play the videos too at this art 'exhibit'

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
18. I sincerely wish some artist would secretly follow "XVALA" and get the most revealing, unflattering
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:15 PM
Sep 2014

and personal photos possible and then print them on canvas as part of a show.

As for the gallery owner- same thing.

 

big_dog

(4,144 posts)
22. the problem is that this is bordering on infamy for J-Law too
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:25 PM
Sep 2014

private, very graphic initmate selfies with a boyfriend are not suitable for a blown up canvas public exhibition. hopefully the people will judge this as something they will be repulsed by (even if it is legal under the 1st amendment)

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
37. Infamy?
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:11 PM
Sep 2014

She did something that lots of people do. She did not send them to anyone. She just had her privacy violated.

She is very young and foolish. I was young and foolish. Not so young now, still foolish.

I don't think I have seen her in any shows. But I don't think these pics will stop anyone from watching her shows.

sub.theory

(652 posts)
24. New Laws Needed
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:37 PM
Sep 2014

This is outrageous. Everyone should have the right to control who is allowed to see their naked body. This is where copyright law isn't remotely enough. This is a gross violation of these women, and it's an outrage that it is being allowed.

New laws are needed that ensure everyone has complete and permanent rights to control nude images of themselves, and the laws need to have teeth. This really is bordering on sex crime. It's despicable.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
36. Indeed there are.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:10 PM
Sep 2014

And this SCOTUS case describes one of them at length: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell_v._Acuff-Rose_Music,_Inc.

Linked to wikipedia summary because it accurately summarizes the holding.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
43. Those loopholes don't allow a whole image to be appropriated.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:47 PM
Sep 2014

They don't allow photos to be stolen and subsequently used.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
45. Crazy thing is that if there's a lawsuit the artist
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:51 PM
Sep 2014

gets great promotion. Win Win kind of.

They'll find some way to sound like they're contributing to society too.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
53. Artists don't suck
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 07:50 PM
Sep 2014

but exploitative people do suck. Especially if their work is based on privacy invasion and doesn't add much to the dialog. That remains to be seen. Maybe this artist is fabulous, it could happen.

This just seems like more celebrity obsession all the way around, not interesting.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
33. Copyright and stolen property issues aside,
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 05:59 PM
Sep 2014

wouldn't this fall afoul of the branch of IP law designed to allow celebrities to control their publicity and image? Even if you own the copyright to a picture of someone famous, you can't just slap it on a t-shirt and start selling them.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
44. While the law may be an ass
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:47 PM
Sep 2014

(in the donkey sense of the word, garbageheads , as noted by one C. Dickens, it is not ass enough to come to that exceedingly bent conclusion.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
41. will not. they know it. C&D order = no prints.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:36 PM
Sep 2014

WAKE UP AMERICA. The "news" you get consists of PRESS RELEASES that are outright marketing and in subtler form, spinning. WTF do you think the media can produce with NO REPORTERS? Remember when newspapers and etc. had reporters? Investigative reporters? They're gone.

These jackwits print & broadcast whatever press releases they fancy. They just farm their goddam email inbox.

I challenge you to watch your local morning news. Fire, press release about apple, murder, press release about another big brand, etc. repeat repeat repeat.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
46. This is so much more than about Google or the failures of the cloud.
Thu Sep 4, 2014, 06:51 PM
Sep 2014

It's about how women (celebrities or otherwise) are STILL perceived as public property.

Notice how photos of men are almost never leaked or stolen?

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