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no_hypocrisy

(46,088 posts)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:05 PM Apr 2012

Glenn Grothman, Wisconsin state senator: Women make less because ‘Money is more important for men’

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He argued to the Daily Beast that whatever wage gap exists is because women are more focused on raising children.

“Take a hypothetical husband and wife who are both lawyers,” Grothman told the website. “But the husband is working 50 or 60 hours a week, going all out, making 200 grand a year. The woman takes time off, raises kids, is not go, go, go. Now they're 50 years old. The husband is making 200 grand a year, the woman is making 40 grand a year. It wasn’t discrimination. There was a different sense of urgency in each person.”

He then argued wage differences did not result from discrimination but because men care more about money.

“You could argue that money is more important for men,” he said. “I think a guy in their first job, maybe because they expect to be a breadwinner someday, may be a little more money-conscious. To attribute everything to a so-called bias in the workplace is just not true.”

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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/glenn-grothman-wisconsin-state-senator-women-money-important-men-article-1.1059872#ixzz1rlCKYaRl

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Glenn Grothman, Wisconsin state senator: Women make less because ‘Money is more important for men’ (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Apr 2012 OP
I've heard he still lives with his mom. atreides1 Apr 2012 #1
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #3
Excuse me but that is an insult to me as a gay man.... Swede Atlanta Apr 2012 #8
Sorry, should have clarified: Gay Republican, in the closet and saying shit for money.. DCKit Apr 2012 #13
Yes, of course, as a single mother, I had much less need sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #2
As a single mother myself I think we have even more concern because we often have less than the jwirr Apr 2012 #6
Entitlement whore! How dare you? DCKit Apr 2012 #16
How old is this guy? Yes, when my mother stayed at home and the ONLY money coming into the jwirr Apr 2012 #4
The lows to which these dipshits will sink never ceases to amaze me. Initech Apr 2012 #5
Got one "better": Ronald Reagan blamed the high rate of unemployment on working women no_hypocrisy Apr 2012 #7
It might be more accurate to say that men value money more than women mathematic Apr 2012 #9
"Men value money more than women"? WTF?? Really?? riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #12
Well then why the heck are they working more hours? mathematic Apr 2012 #14
Women work more hours than men! riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #15
The BLS data confirms my statement about work hours mathematic Apr 2012 #17
Even if we go with your study, that's a discrepancy of 2.5 - 5 hours/week difference. riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #19
This kind of stoopid equals hifiguy Apr 2012 #10
FUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU Grothman... tallahasseedem Apr 2012 #11
Does it cost more to bribe a Male GOP Politician? ThoughtCriminal Apr 2012 #18

atreides1

(16,076 posts)
1. I've heard he still lives with his mom.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:07 PM
Apr 2012

56 years old, never married, no children, and still living with his mother...where are those profilers when you really need them?

Response to atreides1 (Reply #1)

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
8. Excuse me but that is an insult to me as a gay man....
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:25 PM
Apr 2012

what exactly are you insinuating from his comments that lead you to believe he is gay?

sinkingfeeling

(51,448 posts)
2. Yes, of course, as a single mother, I had much less need
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:08 PM
Apr 2012

for money to pay for the house, insurance, food, gas, utilities, and child care than any man with a stay-at-home wife.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
6. As a single mother myself I think we have even more concern because we often have less than the
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:13 PM
Apr 2012

two earner household. We often worry about having enough to even feed our children. This idiot is way out of the loop.

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
16. Entitlement whore! How dare you?
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 04:20 PM
Apr 2012

We had plenty, until Mom broke the agreement, and lied to us.

There was fault on both sides, but Dad is still alive, and I need to clear this up. Sisters are still blaming him for everything, and he was just an observer.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
4. How old is this guy? Yes, when my mother stayed at home and the ONLY money coming into the
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:11 PM
Apr 2012

house was from my father then he was very concerned about money but today it takes two wage earners to make a good living wage so what it he talking about? Even my mother had to go to work outside the home way back in the 40s so even then it was not just a man's world.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
9. It might be more accurate to say that men value money more than women
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:36 PM
Apr 2012

Or the flipside, that men value their leisure (defined as not-employed) time less than women.

I mean, it IS a fact that more men work and working men work more hours than working women. So what's the controversy here? That a republican said it? Or that he used it to try to explain the entire income gap? All the good studies control for the things he specifically mentions (work hours and experience). Does anybody here believe pay should not depend on work hours or experience?

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
14. Well then why the heck are they working more hours?
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 04:10 PM
Apr 2012

Like I said, it's that or the flipside: they value their free-time less.

You know, it's ok to place different values on things. Personally I put a great deal more value on my free time than the average person (man or woman).

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
15. Women work more hours than men!
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 04:16 PM
Apr 2012
http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/03/27/report-women-work-longer-hours-more-honest-on-the-job-infogra/

For less pay as well.

Its not okay for women to be stereotyped in ways that perpetuate destructive financial myths. Please do some basic research before you too buy into that crap.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
17. The BLS data confirms my statement about work hours
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 04:54 PM
Apr 2012

Pretty much a given for me... when you see me write about any kind of work related statistics, I'm using BLS data.

Here's the data on this issue.
http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat22.htm

Among full time workers (35 hours or more per week):
Men: 43.4 hours
Women: 40.7 hours

Among all workers:
Men: 40.6 hours
Women: 35.6 hours

Note that it is impossible for the survey you linked to satisfy all three
1) Accurate
2) Using a representative sample
3) Be consistent with the US government data

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
19. Even if we go with your study, that's a discrepancy of 2.5 - 5 hours/week difference.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:51 PM
Apr 2012

hardly enough to justify a despicable position that men simply value money more than women (and probably more an indicator of workplace discrimination against women than anything).

ALL people need and deserve to be paid adequately for their work. Women work just as hard (if not harder) than men and value money equally. Its sexist on the face of it (and beyond) to assume differently for any reason.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
11. FUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU Grothman...
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 03:45 PM
Apr 2012

As a professional career and family woman, I am completely and utterly offended at this bullshit.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
18. Does it cost more to bribe a Male GOP Politician?
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 05:19 PM
Apr 2012

I'm not too sure, Sarah Palin sure seems to put money pretty high on her priorities.

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