Dr. Michael Baden Autopsy Evidence on why Thomas Jackson Must Go, Darren Wilson Must Be Arrested..

[LovingA2andMI]

(Dr. Michael Baden)

"Baden, who also spoke at the news conference, said Brown, 18, was shot at least six times, including twice in the head. None of the bullets entered from the back, and three were recovered from Brown's body, he said.

Brown could have survived all of his wounds except for the shot to the top of his head, Baden said. That shot was probably sustained last, hitting Brown as he was bending over, and exited through his right eye, he said.

Baden said Brown was shot from at least one foot away but the distance could have been as far as 30 feet. Baden said six bullets entered Brown's body and at least two bullets ricocheted and traveled back through his body. Bullet wounds to Brown's arms could have been sustained by putting his hands up or crossing his arms."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/17/justice-department-autopsy-brown-ferguson/14196559/

"One bullet entered the top of his head and another entered directly above his right eyebrow. Mr Brown was 6ft 4in (1.9m) tall.

"All of the gunshot wounds could have been survivable, except the one at the top of the head," Dr Baden said."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28839522

"Dr Baden said there were no signs of a struggle, as abrasions around the teenager's face were likely from falling to the pavement after being shot.

He also believed Mr Wilson did not shoot him at close range as there was no gunpowder residue on his body, suggesting the officer was at least 2ft away."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28839522

All wounds were SURVIVABLE except the ones to the head. In other words, Michael Brown could have survived if a SHOOT to STOP instead of SHOOT to KILL strategy was deployed by Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson, who is still running free.

Furthermore, Dr. Michael Baden statements prove that Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson LIED in his presser last week (the first one) where he stated Wilson "struggled" with Brown.

With such, THOMAS JACKSON MUST GO and killer Ferguson Police Officer DARREN WILSON MUST BE ARRESTED NOW for the Murder of Michael Brown. Our original post on DU calling for Chief Jackson's immediate resignation is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025390516#post24

[BlueCaliDem]

1. Reading these analyses, I'm just heartbroken.

Barely a man with a bright future that he worked so hard to achieve, by fighting to get his HS diploma...now dead. Reading that Mike Brown could have survived his first shots had it been the officer's intent just to stop him (which I still don't condone since Michael was unarmed) makes it doubly painful to know. It's just heartbreaking. Even being as heartbroken as I am today for the wasteful death of such a promising teenager, I can't imagine what his parents and family are going through.

[badtoworse]

2. I don't see how that tranlsates to a murder charge

There is nothing that describes a chain of events, IOW, what actually happened. AFAIK, Baden had no opinion on how the wounds were sustained.

[LovingA2andMI]

4. Are you serious?

Seeking attention, likely. Either way, your questions does not take away in ANY FORM the EVIDENCE presented after Dr. Michael Baden's report.

@CharlesMBlow "No Evidence of a Struggle," Says Dr. Michael Baden should renew calls NOW for #THOMASJACKSONMUSTGO http://j.mp/JacksonMustGo1 --- @IUNewsTalk|

In other words, in Dr. Baden opinion, no evidence of a struggle existed. The Shoot to Stop strategy at BEST was all that could be used, in light of this EVIDENCE. The fact -- 6 bullets was shot at a UNARMED INDIVIDUAL who did not present a STRUGGLE to Officer Darren Wilson, proves a MURDER or Shoot to Kill strategy was unnecessary force! In other words MURDER in the First Degree, Murder in the Second Degree or Manslaughter Charge --- or a combination of all three, must be CHARGED on DARREN WILSON NOW!

[badtoworse]

6. I don't think there's a chance in hell of getting an arrest warrant based solely on Baden's report.

Baden didn't say there was no struggle, only that he didn't see any evidence of it on Brown. What about Wilson? Did he have any injuries or evidence of a struggle? If I'm not mistaken, some witnesses have said there was a struggle. I'll wait until all the facts are in before making up my own mind. There is a lot of conflicting information from what I've seen.

[LovingA2andMI]

8. Maybe instead of OBJECTING OPINION into this case....

You should've listened to the Press Conference. First, with a STRUGGLE -- normally two different individuals must participate in the STRUGGLE. The definition of STRUGGLE is:

"to make strenuous or violent efforts in the face of difficulties or opposition"

So unless Officer Wilson was struggling with himself, Dr. Baden EVIDENCE, not opinion --- EVIDENCE as a well resourced and sought after Forensic Pathologist proves the following:

@CharlesMBlow "No Evidence of a Struggle," Says Dr. Michael Baden should renew calls NOW for #THOMASJACKSONMUSTGO http://j.mp/JacksonMustGo1 --- @IUNewsTalk|

If you still have trouble with understanding the definition of STRUGGLE and in the murder case of Michael Brown, it would take TWO PEOPLE involved in the struggle -- then....sorry, your opinion is ill-informed.

[badtoworse]

10. "...your opinion is ill-informed."

Sorry, but I haven't formed one yet. Just because there was a struggle, doesn't mean that either person was injured.

[Lonusca]

17. You sure that's not

"INJECTING OPINION"?

[cleduc]

27. It's not an opinion on this case

because he has not concluded one way or the other.

And I think he's right. No physical evidence of a struggle doesn't mean there was no struggle because there could have been a struggle where one party (Brown in this case above) did not receive injuries observable and conclusively attributable to a struggle by the coroner.

There have been reports the officer suffered a facial injury as result of the altercation at the cruiser and eventually went to the hospital for treatment. Since I haven't seen actual evidence of that, I can't be absolutely sure the officer got injured due to a struggle with Brown. I would concede it's probable based upon all that I've heard but I'll reserve judgement on that until we get more facts.

[jeff47]

11. Yes, shooting unarmed people who are not fighting you is really no big deal.

[badtoworse]

12. How do you come up with that?

[jeff47]

13. I can read.

-No signs of struggle means he was not physically fighting the officer. Even punching the cop would have caused injuries.
-No gunshot residue on the body means every single gunshot was from more than 2 feet away. The damage indicates they may have been as far as 30 feet.

IOW, all the witness statements that he was surrendering are consistent with these results. The statements from the police claiming that he assaulted the police officer are not consistent with these results. While the coroner can not legally declare the police liars, the police would have to come up with an explanation as to how a physical assault managed to happen from greater than 2 feet away, and left no injuries on the body.

Yet you're here claiming this doesn't rise to a murder charge.

[badtoworse]

14. I said Baden's report does not justify a murder charge

Baden didn't conclusively state what Brown was doing when he was shot and that's critical. I believe Baden said the head wounds could have happened in two ways. What about Brown's clothes? The police have those and have not said whether there was GSR on them. Unless I'm mistaken, there is not agreement among witnesses as to what actually happened. The police version of what happened will carry weight in a courtroom regardless of what you think about it. Given that, I doubt you would get an arrest warrant for murder, much less a conviction.

I don't know enough to say what, if anything, Wilson should be charged with and I'm going to wait until the investigation is concluded before I form an opinion.

[jeff47]

16. You're mistaken.

Baden didn't conclusively state what Brown was doing when he was shot and that's critical.

Only when you're trying to make excuses.

What about Brown's clothes? The police have those and have not said whether there was GSR on them.

Clothes are not magic filters that prevent GSR from depositing on skin.

Unless I'm mistaken, there is not agreement among witnesses as to what actually happened.

You're mistaken. The only differences are minor details. All the witnesses say the cop shot him while he was standing away from the cop, with his hands in the air.

The police version of what happened will carry weight in a courtroom regardless of what you think about it.

Except when the police version runs into the minor problem of not fitting the evidence at all.

[badtoworse]

19. Thanks, but I'll still wait for the facts.

[jeff47]

20. Sure, the police are assembling them right now.

and they're very pleased you aren't willing to consider the ones they've already disseminated.

[LanternWaste]

24. It seems somewhat odd for someone who is so invested in waiting for the facts

It seems somewhat odd for someone who is so invested in waiting for the facts, and denies themselves an opinion weighs in with both numerous opinions and various hypotheticals. Indeed, involves themselves in an informal conversation regarding the topic in the first place.

[badtoworse]

25. I can speculate as well as the next guy.

That's not the same as taking a hard position as many here have. Some of the things we heard so far seem reasonable; some do not - I don't any problem with commenting on those. In any case, I don't recall taking a position on anyone's guilt or innocence - I really don't have one yet.

[LovingA2andMI]

29. Thank you!!!!

Much appreciated!

[nomorenomore08]

42. You always nail it. Thank you.

[msanthrope]

28. Familiarize yourself with Tennessee v. Garner. This is murder. nt

[badtoworse]

31. Based on Baden's report, Tennessee vs. Garner seems unlikely to apply.

That case addresses the circumstances under which the police can shoot a fleeing suspect. Baden stated that Brown was shot from the front. If he was fleeing, I would expect that the shots would have hit him from behind. Doesn't mean Wilson is innocent, but it does mean that Brown was most likely not running away when he was shot.

[msanthrope]

32. Why not read the whole case, and not the summary? nt

[badtoworse]

33. I read the summary of the case on Wiki. If there is more to it,...

...why not share the pertinent points with everyone or post a good link that non-lawyers can understand.

[msanthrope]

36. Indeed. Let me see if I have this correctly. You want me to

do your homework for you?

Every wiki page on SCOTUS decisions has a link to justia.com.

The full decision is there for you to read. Let me know when you've done that and are able to discuss the case you dismissed after reading Wikipedia.

[badtoworse]

38. I actually asked you to share your knowledge with everyone, but whatever.

[msanthrope]

39. No...see...I will share my knowledge when you've actually read the case

on point.

Here's the thing.....you don't realize that your claims contradict settled American law. So it isn't up to me to teach you...it's up to you to know what the frig you are talking about.

[badtoworse]

40. I've read the SCOTUS ruling and it doesn't change my opinion.

Normally, I wouldn't put up condecension such as yours, but you piqued my interest. It was interesting, but not relevant.

[msanthrope]

44. Indeed....the numerous threads today about Brown being shot at while

fleeing....the SCOTUS precedent-setting decision on the use of police force....sure....if you think Tennessee v. Garner isn't relevant, you just keep insisting that while the rest of us discuss the law.

[Avalux]

3. K&R. Wilson must be arrested. n/t

[LovingA2andMI]

5. Thank you!!!

#DARRENWILSONMUSTBEARRESTEDNOW #THOMASJACKSONMUSTGO!

[NCTraveler]

7. First link.

"Baden said his results could be consistent with police or witness accounts of how Brown died."

[LovingA2andMI]

9. Really Now?

@CharlesMBlow "No Evidence of a Struggle," Says Dr. Michael Baden should renew calls NOW for #THOMASJACKSONMUSTGO http://j.mp/JacksonMustGo1 --- @IUNewsTalk|


The "Struggle" theory is ONLY the Police Account and NOT the Account of Dr. Michael Baden or witinesses to the Michael Brown killing in Ferguson, MO:

(Per the Washington Post)

{i] "The account offered by police described a physical confrontation between Brown and Wilson that involved a struggle over the officer’s gun. But the version described by Johnson has Wilson confronting Brown before shooting him as he tried to surrender. The witness said Brown did not reach for Wilson’s weapon."

Read More Factual Accounts, Not Opinion Here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/15/ferguson-police-releasing-name-of-officer-who-shot-michael-brown/

[NCTraveler]

22. Really now what?

It is very clear in the articles that Dr. Baden did not say what the subject line says. Shouldn't give the appearance of attributing something to an expert that they didn't say. Kind of a slight of hand thing. Even the quote you brought in here doesn't make the claim you are attempting to bestow upon the expert. It is damning enough without the card trick.

[LovingA2andMI]

23. REALLY NOW....

You are blocked and deleted....

[mythology]

15. Baden's own report doesn't draw the conclusions you do

It's intellectually dishonest of you to misrepresent his work.

[LovingA2andMI]

30. WHAT

"intellectually dishonest"? Did you look "intellectually" word up in a dictionary or thesaurus?

The article was OPINION based on what Michael Baden SAID in the PRESS CONFERENCE, which has been CONFIRMED by MULTIPLE NEWS SOURCES.

So put down the thesaurus as YOU have no idea what you're talking or typing about. #SMH...

[valerief]

18. Yeah, Ferguson doesn't need another Colin Powell. nt

[pipoman]

21. So many who haven't a clue how criminal prosecution

Works...just be ready to be disappointed when your fantasies don't hold up...

[BaggersRDumb]

26. Sigh...if Brown was white, a rich kid high school student who was accused of jaywalking

in BEVERLY HILLS


and the cop that slaughtered him was Black, the entire country of the united states would be on fire if the cop wasnt arrested instantly

the white community would not want to hear about struggles or anything else, trust me on this

[BaggersRDumb]

35. SIGH

[MohRokTah]

37. So the proper penalty for ALLEGEDLY stealing cigars (tape shows him paying)

is now death?

That's pretty fucked up right there.

[herding cats]

41. No, they'd be diagnosed with affluenza and get a mild reprimand.

Affluenza can even get you rehab instead of prison time if you kill 4 people while drunk driving after all. It's the curse of being white and rich. You just don't know right from wrong and it's all the fault of your wealthy upbringing.

[nomorenomore08]

43. And how does any of that justify shooting someone 6 times?

Excessive force to say the least.