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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe primary job of US police is to lie.
Particularly they must lie in a way that assures that they have authority. If police were trained to be honest, trained in the law, and not to exert their authority, like basically every police officer outside of the US is trained to do, then we wouldn't have such an excess of authority and repression in this country.
Watching VICE tonight two reporters were constantly being harassed by police, for doing their job, reporting. They were lied to repeatedly, about what they could or could not do or where they could or could not go. A free press should be able to go anywhere, this is a basic, unalienable right. But because police must keep their perception of authority they must lie in order to do so.
This is how a Canadian officer handles an unruly person who is actively resisting:
There are other issues at play, of course. As BanesBane points out, the gun culture probably contributes to an extent, at least my perspective is that the gun culture creates an air of paranoia, reducing normal people into these rabid, scared, authority figures. We saw this with regards to reporters tonight, simply filming. One officer claiming he'd shoot a reporter if they kept filming because the "light was on their camera." As if that was making them a target to hidden gun villains who wanted blood or something.
But that cops can straight up lie to people is completely counterintuitive and does not do a service to civil society. This very valuable video explains exactly why and how cops lie in their investigations:
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)How can we trust people that are paid by us to lie to us?
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)I mean, OK, you can't film the staging area, that is sensitive information if someone wanted to do something bad. But why put the staging area next to the damn freaking reporter staging area? OK, you want transparency, then allow people to film and take the risk of secure intel being released. One should not have to sacrifice liberty for a sense (a sense, mind you) of security!
The ladies got permission from the bus arrested people to film, any sort of "you can't film these people for privacy concerns" is gone. They got permission. No act of civil rights violation was happening. Forcefully escorted back to the reporter area, forcefully told to keep the camera down, without reason, without logic.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)those on the bus. Funny how the cops never ask if it is okay to give their names to the press when they are arrested and yet do. Their worries about privacy go right out the window unless it might involve one of their own.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... That second one is worth it's weight in gold.
Pholus
(4,062 posts)routinely recited their beliefs that when their fantasies were answered and they got to use their aspirational ornaments on a real person the goal was to make sure that there was only one version of events in the courtroom.
I don't have a problem making the small leap to claim that they got these ideas due to some law enforcement buddies.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Going against the 5th amendment.
Pholus
(4,062 posts)After all, one cannot possibly fabricate an equivalent "reality" without knowing a desired conclusion.
Yet we're supposed to believe that this lying without judicial oversight only serves a greater good and will never be abused.
So, yes I agree. Lies are becoming near and dear to our law enforcement and it is a deadly problem.
Boom Sound 416
(4,185 posts)You ever need need a cop?
Or walk a mile in one's shoes
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Encountered several dozen over the years.
Rex
(65,616 posts)When they say, "would you mind stepping out of your car for just a minute." What they really mean is, "Get out of the car so I can arrest you or at least detain you."
countryjake
(8,554 posts)I totally agree.