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bigtree

(85,915 posts)
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:25 AM Aug 2014

Cpt. Johnson is on the scene right now in Ferguson talking it out with some very stubborn youth

Last edited Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:29 PM - Edit history (6)

. . . rain is coming down and there are a lot of youth just waiting around to see what happens when the curfew starts.

There are some very defiant, and others doing their very best to convince folks to go home.

What is interesting enough for me to post now is that Cpt. Ron Johnson is on the scene . . . also, there is a huge police presence, many of them lining the businesses on both sides of the street.

These folks with their camera phone are giving as much of a narration of events as anyone and they are giving a pretty real and direct account.

They intend to stay until curfew and beyond - determined to stay and record events.

They've gotten themselves over to a roped off area that seems to be reserved for press. it's a safe zone, as long as there isn't incoming violence because many of the police are lined up behind them.

Many folks are leaving . . .it may be the rain.

About 40 min. until curfew is in effect . . .no one really knows what will happen, but there are still youth who are talking defiantly and there's a good indication they are armed. As some already know, it is legal there to carry open guns.

There does seem to be an exodus going on . . .

I love these youth . . . all of them, and i hope for the best . . .

please tune in to one of the live feeds and provide more eyes and ears to keep the actual account true and propaganda free.

everyone focus all the positive energy you can manage toward this town . . .


pm to me this morning:

People who use infowars links need to check their privilege. From SPLC, your man Alex . . .


. . .definitely a case of my own ignorance and, in a part, my defensiveness at the time of the complaints about the links on this thread. I apologize for any hurt and offense I caused by posting the links and thank the posters who objected and dialogued with me on this subject for their input and information provided.
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Cpt. Johnson is on the scene right now in Ferguson talking it out with some very stubborn youth (Original Post) bigtree Aug 2014 OP
Yes,, but where is Obama and why isnt he doing something? JaydenD Aug 2014 #1
I don't have to tell you how irresponsible you're being right now bigtree Aug 2014 #3
Don't. bravenak Aug 2014 #10
I cannot make common cause with Infowars. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #2
check one of the other feeds then bigtree Aug 2014 #4
Tainted, IMO. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #6
go to another live feed and ignore this thread . . . bigtree Aug 2014 #7
So you think the infowars feed is fake? MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #9
This topic is about something extremely serious. sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #63
CT woo taints everything associated with it. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #74
As I said, your personal choices of reading material I'm sure, are important to you. Btw, do you sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2014 #80
At that point, it was all I could find. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #83
see the op bigtree Aug 2014 #85
i'd prefer DU not give credibility to sites like Infowars. alp227 Aug 2014 #32
go away - there are other feeds listed here bigtree Aug 2014 #48
aw, ignoring is the easy way out snooper2 Aug 2014 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2014 #98
Please feel free to choose your own reading material. Thank you for letting us know what you would sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #65
Why are you defending Alex Jones? alp227 Aug 2014 #87
Why are you promoting the lying Corporate Media that collaborated with Cheney/Bush to lie sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #89
So are conspiracy theorists more reliable than corporate media? alp227 Aug 2014 #90
That is a question that requires a far longer response sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #92
agreed!! tulsakatz Aug 2014 #51
The Corporate Media is covering the story now as if Ferguson was a war zone. That sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #76
that one group they attacked was very vocal, chanting and one woman with a mic bigtree Aug 2014 #78
I'm watching the Gov right now avoiding questions and using weasel words to sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #79
the curfew was definitely the most threatening provocation bigtree Aug 2014 #81
Thanks for the SamKnause Aug 2014 #5
good deal, Sam bigtree Aug 2014 #8
it used to be called a "cloud of witnesses" grasswire Aug 2014 #12
you got it, grasswire bigtree Aug 2014 #13
Looks like mostly just press and police now, at least in this target zone bigtree Aug 2014 #11
Nothing happening, basically... shaayecanaan Aug 2014 #15
ha! bigtree Aug 2014 #16
Spoke too soon! Police moving in now shaayecanaan Aug 2014 #25
much restraint there bigtree Aug 2014 #14
here is another live feed I'm watching rollin74 Aug 2014 #17
Better feed: Twitter from onsite HuffPo reporter Dems to Win Aug 2014 #18
some chanting in the distance from the camera feeds bigtree Aug 2014 #19
Cars have moved into position to form barricade... JimDandy Aug 2014 #20
some protesters trying to block a street with vehicles rollin74 Aug 2014 #21
damn, I see that now bigtree Aug 2014 #24
A few feeds listed here gvstn Aug 2014 #22
cops moving in to confront crowd blocking the street rollin74 Aug 2014 #23
I see that bigtree Aug 2014 #27
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #26
... bigtree Aug 2014 #28
peace-keepers trying to keep protesters from advancing towards police rollin74 Aug 2014 #29
shit's going down rollin74 Aug 2014 #30
Military crap is back! nt Live and Learn Aug 2014 #31
looks like a fucking war zone bigtree Aug 2014 #35
Officers have gas masks on. nt Live and Learn Aug 2014 #33
St. Louis radio stations KTRS and KMOX have live coverage. alp227 Aug 2014 #34
Hah, they gassed them against the wind. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #36
tear gas being fired at protest crowd rollin74 Aug 2014 #37
Let's be very clear here - this is a direct result of the curfew order, not the people's fault bigtree Aug 2014 #38
If they had mortars, they'd probably be using them. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #40
Yep, nothing but peaceful tonight until police started in. nt Live and Learn Aug 2014 #42
fire burning at a store rollin74 Aug 2014 #39
steady gas canisters firing at crowd - police advancing bigtree Aug 2014 #41
repeated gunfire now bigtree Aug 2014 #43
Tim Pool cowering on ground says he heard several gunshots come from the protest crowd rollin74 Aug 2014 #44
Another live feed, via St. Louis Fox station KTVI alp227 Aug 2014 #45
Doesn't appear to be any arrests yet Live and Learn Aug 2014 #46
yelling at press to get back into the zone they set up to corral them in bigtree Aug 2014 #47
SWAT vehicle pulled up and dispersed most of remaining crowd rollin74 Aug 2014 #49
sound/sonic cannons in effect, intermittently blasting deafening sound bigtree Aug 2014 #50
CNN live reporting says same--cops may have used LRAD acoustic weapon. nt pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #52
still hearing canisters fired bigtree Aug 2014 #53
Total fokkin' bullshit that the pigs are doing this. WTF? So much for trying to calm things down. kath Aug 2014 #56
Police told CNN they used smoke cannisters to disperse crowd, not tear gas pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #57
thanks for the info, pinboy3niner bigtree Aug 2014 #60
CNN now reports police initially used smoke then later used tear gas pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #68
Agree that they should never have let the regular police back in. kath Aug 2014 #59
One person in cuffs placed into police van; smoke rising in distance pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #54
quiet now, except for the rain bigtree Aug 2014 #55
Per reporters on Live Stream, 2 people arrested. nt Live and Learn Aug 2014 #58
Where's Captain Johnson at? wheniwasincongress Aug 2014 #61
thank you for bearing witness, Bigtree. grasswire Aug 2014 #62
I'm going to end my participation in this thread now bigtree Aug 2014 #64
Well said bigtree. icymist Aug 2014 #66
I'm late bigtree in thanking you for the links you gave us... nenagh Aug 2014 #75
Love this graphic... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #67
Thanks for the informative thread bigtree. cui bono Aug 2014 #69
Thank you, bigtree. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #70
Cpt. Johnson gave details at press conference between 3:30 and 4am Eastern: pinboy3niner Aug 2014 #71
Thanks! (nt) Inkfreak Aug 2014 #72
"stubborn," "defiant," "defiantly," "indication they are armed...."? WinkyDink Aug 2014 #73
armed is a consequence of their law that allows open-carry bigtree Aug 2014 #82
Racial code words.... BronxBoy Aug 2014 #84
kick for viz bigtree Aug 2014 #86
Sometimes a source that has someone writing that has a Neanderthal mentality on some things Autumn Aug 2014 #88
I'll stand by what I wrote and included in the op bigtree Aug 2014 #91
I watched it and I found it to be free of bias, more so than the MSM. Autumn Aug 2014 #93
I think what's being objected to are links to the sites themselves bigtree Aug 2014 #94
There are individuals on those site that are nut job wacko writers Autumn Aug 2014 #95
if you ever feel that I can provide something for you that I don't seem willing to post here, Autumn bigtree Aug 2014 #96
. bigtree Aug 2014 #99

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
3. I don't have to tell you how irresponsible you're being right now
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:32 AM
Aug 2014

I'm going to put you permanently on ignore and I hope you'll find some where else to agitate other than this thread.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
7. go to another live feed and ignore this thread . . .
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:37 AM
Aug 2014

. . . put some eyes and ears on the situation, instead of just getting it second-hand and incomplete from the networks

thanks for your consideration.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
63. This topic is about something extremely serious.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:51 AM
Aug 2014

Not sure why you thought it was so important, more so than the topic of the OP, to let us know your choice of reading material.

Now back to the important issue which is the topic of this thread. The Gov of Missouri should be ashamed of himself. He's supposedly a Dem, like the Dems who were responsible for ordering the Millitary clad goons to beat up peaceful protesters nearly killing several of them, including two Iraq War Vets and an elderly Holocaust survivor during the peaceful OWS protests.

I believe now that it was all a setup. I didn't trust him from day one. He didn't show up for five days and ONLY showed his face AFTER the media began to finally start asking questions about the militarization of the police in this country.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
74. CT woo taints everything associated with it.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 07:09 AM
Aug 2014

For example, prior to this thread, I would generally consider anything the OP had to say or any stories posted. From now on, nothing the OP posts has any credibility whatsoever for me.

If one chooses to post links to CT woo sites, one must accept the consequences of doing so.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
77. As I said, your personal choices of reading material I'm sure, are important to you. Btw, do you
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:06 AM
Aug 2014

use the Corporate Media, badly tainted with Woo, as a source for anything? Anyone who relies on the Lying, Corporate Controlled Media has zero credibility for most Dems. Infowars eg, did not lead this country into over a decade and still ongoing, illegal invasion based on LIES. They tainted themselves forever and nothing they have to say unless corroborated by other credible sources, should ever be taken seriously.

In fact the Corporate Media makes Alex Jones look like a pulitzer prize winning for journalism.

However, this isn't the thread for people to expound on their personal, and frankly completely irrelevant choices of reading material.

We now have a Gov painting a picture of people who have managed to peacefully protest over the past week, who were attacked by the Military Clad Goons sent in by those who are supposed to protect them, they are being painted right now on the Corporate Media with the help of the usual suspects, as 'dangerous'.

I will now go to see if Infowars is presenting the people of Ferguson as 'dangerous'. If so, then they go into the same category as our Corporate Media. Totally compromised and untrustworthy. If not, that puts them streets ahead of what passes for news media in this country.

Response to MohRokTah (Reply #74)

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
83. At that point, it was all I could find.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:04 AM
Aug 2014

I would not click on a single link you provided. By including infowars, you have lost every bit of credibility you ever had with me (and I used to take your posts into account and would consider what you had to say prior to this one post). I cannot believe or trust anything you ever post again, so I am now removing any possibility of ever seeing anything you ever post again.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
85. see the op
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 10:10 AM
Aug 2014

Last edited Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:28 PM - Edit history (1)

I wish you'd done more than just complain with generalities - I would definitely have made more of an effort to accommodate your view

I apologize for the harsh way that I dismissed your complaint and I can only offer now to make myself more accessible to your views in the future.

thank you for your input and consideration in opening this dialogue with me.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
97. aw, ignoring is the easy way out
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:59 PM
Aug 2014

Let us convince you, Alex Jones is a fucking grifter as great as Sarah Failin!


Response to snooper2 (Reply #97)

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
65. Please feel free to choose your own reading material. Thank you for letting us know what you would
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:06 AM
Aug 2014

'prefer' the rest of us read, but we can assure you, we are all relatively intelligent adults here, most of whom have not received, nor would we accept orders from anyone regarding what WE choose to read since we under the care of our parents.

As I said to the other person who decided to use this thread to inform us of what s/he apparently views as more important than the topic of the OP, HIS/HER reading preferences, I'm sure this is of great interest to someone, somewhere, but this topic isn't about people's choices of reading material.

Frankly, being perfectly honest with you, I could not care less what ANY adult chooses to read or watch and I am constantly amazed that here, on a supposedly Liberal forum, we have so many who think they ought to be the arbiters of our reading material. Ban the books, that way our minds, feeble as they are, will not be contaminated. Do you understand how unacceptable your derailment of this thread is simply to try to influence, ban reading material YOU do not like?

This needs to be another topic, and perhaps it's time we had an open discussion about the constant nagging by a few here as to what the rest of us are reading. It is INSULTING to intelligent people to be constantly harassed this way. It's making DU look bad, in fact I know that people have left here because of it.

This comment hopefully will help kick this very important thread.

The Gov. of Missouri is a moron, as are is the Police Chief. They appear to be trying to paint a picture of African Americans as violent, angry and dangerous. Either that, or they actually believe that the people of Ferguson need to be told what to do. It is SHAMEFUl that this Gov is in cahoots with bad guys in all of this, being that he claims to be a Democrat.

We cannot let this happen.

alp227

(31,960 posts)
87. Why are you defending Alex Jones?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:07 PM
Aug 2014

I get concerned about adults influenced by crackpots and charlatans like Jones.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
89. Why are you promoting the lying Corporate Media that collaborated with Cheney/Bush to lie
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:21 PM
Aug 2014

this country into war?

I get very concerned about adults who are influenced by paid propagandists like The Rendon Group and their
puppets in the Corporate Media.

Lol, you must think that DUers are new to that old, worn out, lame tactic you just resorted to.

I get a kick out of it though, and the thread that apparently is a target for derailment, gets another kick.

There is always a silver lining behind even the darkest cloud. I use comments such as yours whenever I see them to kick threads that imo are important.

alp227

(31,960 posts)
90. So are conspiracy theorists more reliable than corporate media?
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:30 PM
Aug 2014

Just because the corporate media sucks doesn't make Jones credible.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
92. That is a question that requires a far longer response
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:56 PM
Aug 2014

than should be given here as this thread is about something else.

So, if you start a thread asking that question, I think it would be a very interesting thread and I would certainly participate and respond to the question there.

tulsakatz

(3,122 posts)
51. agreed!!
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:11 AM
Aug 2014

I won't click on anything related to the nut Alex Jones!!

Plus MSNBC & Vice news are also covering the live scene...

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
76. The Corporate Media is covering the story now as if Ferguson was a war zone. That
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 08:57 AM
Aug 2014

is a lie, as we saw over the two previous nights. Apparently we are back to the collusion between the Corporate media and those who are responsble for what happened in Ferguson.

I would believe ANYONE over our Corporate Controlled Media.

But if you find them credible, that is your choice.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
78. that one group they attacked was very vocal, chanting and one woman with a mic
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:08 AM
Aug 2014

. . .doing little more than loudly asserting what she was saying was her right to assemble - maybe she didn't have a legal right to be part of a group in the street, or out side her home during the curfew, but she and the others who were bombed by the police were not 'warring,' the police were - against this relatively sparse group of mostly peaceful demonstrators.

No effort appeared to be made to arrest more than a few of them and that sounds more like a police assault (however one might justify it) than two warring factions there.

Before the police violence, it appeared that most of the people who had been doing little more than milling around the area, had left the scene completely - all except a group which, from the distance of the images we could see on the live feed, looked to be no more than a couple folks deep and a street width wide.

here's another mnm account from @WSJ: One shot, seven arrested in Ferguson protests http://on.wsj.com/1AnxBFb


Johnson tried to justify the use of smoke bombs by asserting that the crowd wouldn't disperse . . . so the fuck what? that's no reason to gas and smoke bomb demonstrators. It's the exact thing he said he wouldn't be resorted to. he talks of responding to a disturbance which looks to be mostly unrelated to the group and the police who moved en masse toward the group didn't go any where, but right at these demonstrators who were gathered in the middle of a street, not at the building he described.

The gunshot at(?) a police vehicle he described doesn't appear to have been proven to have come from this group.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
79. I'm watching the Gov right now avoiding questions and using weasel words to
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:19 AM
Aug 2014

justify the latest decision to portray the people there as violent. The very action of imposing a curfew was a calculated tactic to do that. Eg, he calls the decades long issue of police abuse of minorities 'challenges'. He defended the Prosecutor there when asked if he might not be the right person to handle this case. 'Well, this is his chance to step up'. He refers to the justifiable anger of the population there repeatedly as 'angst'.

I hope this guy is up for reelection soon, he needs to go.

I'm beginning to think this was a set up. After the bad press the military goons were getting finally, he finally appeared after five days of hiding. He appointed a GOOD COP to take over. The next night all was peaceful and the following night when some morons decided to loot (do we know who they were yet or who if anyone, organized them?) the community stepped up and took control of the situation themselves.

THAT gave those in power an excuse to 'demonstrate' how necessary it is to bring in the 'military' to control the people there.

I have lost complete faith in this country frankly. Softball questions for the Gov gave him an opportunity to get his points across. IF we had an actual media, it would have been pointed out that the people were themselves controlling the situation with just a few criminals who THEY went after themselves, however that didn't happen. So now the public who depend on the media are of the opinion again, that it is another minority community out of control.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
81. the curfew was definitely the most threatening provocation
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:26 AM
Aug 2014

. . .the citizens we witnessed in the several live feeds were peaceful and thoughtful - some were visibly angry, but that's never been a justification for violence against an individual or group.

We all saw folks just milling around, most complied with the curfew order, at least in that section of town. The ones who didn't were standing in the middle of one part of a street. Couldn't have been a hundred of them - looked from the distance the press were made to stand and the camera feeds we were watching to be about half of that number.

wsj:

Police also spotted an armed man in the middle of West Florissant Avenue, but he wasn't apprehended, Capt. Johnson said. A police vehicle was targeted by gunfire, but it is unclear whether it was hit, he said.


That's some sketchy justification for gassing them - incredibly denying gassing them at first, then admitting it when offered evidence in the form of spent canisters.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
8. good deal, Sam
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:40 AM
Aug 2014

. . .thanks for looking in

I hope I have a feed here that you can bear watching.

I think our eyes and ears are our most valuable resource at this distance.

Thanks again.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
13. you got it, grasswire
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:02 AM
Aug 2014

. . . I'm more optimistic than I was just 15 min ago, but we're going to see what happens in this one hot spot, at least.

Most of the vehicles that were circling are gone, no more horns can be heard. I don't think the police will just jump at midnight, but we'll see. I have faith in them, and care for them, as well.

Fellow on the feed reporting that there's only media and police out here at the moment. Hope so . . .

Thanks for looking in.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
11. Looks like mostly just press and police now, at least in this target zone
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:55 AM
Aug 2014

. . .there has been a definite exodus in the last few minutes.

Just a few vocal citizens still on the scene . . . some driving by, one woman yelling, angry at the police presence

No organized protest or confrontation . . .really no indication there's going to even be one.

Rain is intensifying and the thunder just boomed in concert with the tension.

The lessened and mostly vacated crowd is a really hopeful sign at this moment . . .

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
15. Nothing happening, basically...
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:11 AM
Aug 2014

people look pretty bored, checking their phones. They probably better get home before their phones get wet.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
14. much restraint there
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:11 AM
Aug 2014

. . . curfew has passed, and nothing is happening. That's the outcome we all wished for, at least at this location, one of the hot spots of earlier incidents.

This is, so far, the best of outcomes and I'm sure there's more relief in that around than just in this home of mine.

peaceful solution, some praying . . .

Rain coming down like a holy waterfall.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
18. Better feed: Twitter from onsite HuffPo reporter
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:16 AM
Aug 2014
https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly

Includes powerful videos of Captain Johnson talking with masked protester

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
19. some chanting in the distance from the camera feeds
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:19 AM
Aug 2014

on this feed: http://revolution-news.com/live-video-fergusons-justice-mike-brown-protests/

a line of vocal people facing off against some officers

Quite a large group of demonstrators . . .

Police are moving around the buildings to, presumably to flank them . . .

very vocal crowd, still not really in complete view of the feed.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
20. Cars have moved into position to form barricade...
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:20 AM
Aug 2014

Last edited Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:18 AM - Edit history (5)

Looks like a bus in the background--for carting away soon to be arrested protesters?

Now Police are moving in opposite direction from protesters...

The police regrouped and it looks like they are going to act any minute against the protesters...

Swat vehicles now on the move...

Police now giving orders to protesters to move immediately...

The crowd is not dispersing and some have started to put their hands up...

Protesters on their knees with hands up...Police donning gas masks...neither side giving in

Keep safe everyone....Here they come with the gas

Multiple police cars with sirens blaring drove quickly up to the crowd line...

Can't see what's happening due to smoke bombs being lobbed by swat...

Police currently allowing protesters to disperse without arresting them...

No protesters in sight once smoke cleared...

Piercing sonic sound went off...protesters hiding behind building appeared...

1:16 in the morning and it's pretty quiet on Florissant...

1:20 - raining heavily again...

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
27. I see that
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:33 AM
Aug 2014

crowd is mostly still holding in place, shifted a little

Police are definitely moving toward them. Radio says they're sending them around the building, flanking the crowd.

rollin74

(1,952 posts)
29. peace-keepers trying to keep protesters from advancing towards police
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:37 AM
Aug 2014

police are said to be "gearing up"

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
35. looks like a fucking war zone
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:47 AM
Aug 2014

police in all sorts of armor and gear

warnings being broadcast in repetition as they move in steadily

As many police as I've ever seen

Gas masks ordered . . .

gas, gas, gas . . . came the call from the police side just now

What happened to the press conference promise that they wouldn't be used??

alp227

(31,960 posts)
34. St. Louis radio stations KTRS and KMOX have live coverage.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:47 AM
Aug 2014

KMOX, the 50 kW blowtorch on AM 1120 (I think you can hear that station at night as far away as the Great Lakes and Gulf Coast)

http://player.radio.com/listen/station/newsradio-1120-kmox

KTRS 550, whose 5 kW signal should blanket all of Missouri and maybe neighboring states at night:

http://www.ktrs.com/ktrs-streaming/

Both stations are also available via the Tunein app.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
38. Let's be very clear here - this is a direct result of the curfew order, not the people's fault
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:50 AM
Aug 2014

. . .the curfew order and the lack of police restraint is to blame\

tear gas fired into the crowd . . . you can hear it firing like mortars

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
41. steady gas canisters firing at crowd - police advancing
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:52 AM
Aug 2014

still firing - sounds like a war zone

yelling into a mike from crowd - no justice no curfew!

smoke drifting back into press

Gunfire now - definite gunfire more than a few shots

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
47. yelling at press to get back into the zone they set up to corral them in
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:00 AM
Aug 2014

. . . peaceful demonstrators fired on

some reported being allowed to disperse without arrest . . .

1:00 am

quieting now . . .

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
50. sound/sonic cannons in effect, intermittently blasting deafening sound
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:09 AM
Aug 2014

. . . in the direction of fleeing demonstrators who appear to have scattered behind nearby buildings to the right.

more smoke fired w/ crowd of officers following in that direction

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
53. still hearing canisters fired
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:16 AM
Aug 2014

. . . no sign of demonstrators from press area

They should NEVER have let the regular police back in.
WTF happened? Last night was much better than this, even with the looting

That was just PROPERTY damaged

THESE are peaceful CITIZENS

PEOPLE being fired on

kath

(10,565 posts)
56. Total fokkin' bullshit that the pigs are doing this. WTF? So much for trying to calm things down.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:24 AM
Aug 2014

Tear gas illegal under the Geneva Conventions
And the sound cannons can cause hearing loss. What. the. Fuck.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
57. Police told CNN they used smoke cannisters to disperse crowd, not tear gas
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:25 AM
Aug 2014

Cops say social medial reports about using tear gas are incorrect.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
68. CNN now reports police initially used smoke then later used tear gas
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 03:13 AM
Aug 2014

That information is from KMOV-TV, St. Louis.

kath

(10,565 posts)
59. Agree that they should never have let the regular police back in.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:29 AM
Aug 2014

All those fuckers should have totally been removed from the situation. what a clusterfuck.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
54. One person in cuffs placed into police van; smoke rising in distance
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:19 AM
Aug 2014

The smoke appears to be a distance away, in the area of the burned out QT gas station.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
55. quiet now, except for the rain
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:22 AM
Aug 2014

. . .rain coming down like a holy waterfall

two very large explosions just now

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
64. I'm going to end my participation in this thread now
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:51 AM
Aug 2014

. . . clearly we have several reports and accounts ongoing or ending, as well.

There will be detailed accounts emerging in the morning and I hope to find some here for DUers to take their own account of.

I did note the complaints about a certain live feed and I mostly sympathize with anyone who couldn't bear them - although, I really couldn't bear the interruption to debate those and I certainly didn't see the need to remove those links. Perhaps we can debate that at a later date. I will take those individuals off of ignore later and I hope we can have a dialogue together about them.

This evening started out with great tension on my part - became momentarily hopeful, as my posts show - and then devolved into tragedy, as far as I'm concerned.

I feel that ALL of the violence I was witness to in these live feeds was a DIRECT result of the actions and decisions of the people who decided to invoke the curfew, as well as those tasked with enforcing it.

The protestors appeared mostly peaceful, and I think accounts will bear that out. There was some firebombing reported from the area of the demonstrating crowd which, apparently started a fire with whatever it came in contact with. It was, in the character of earlier protests, reported to have been immediately extinguished by demonstrators themselves who, no doubt care deeply about their town.

I have great love for all of the humanity involved in this orchestrated crisis tonight. As I turn from this thread, I'll be looking to find another view of the outcome and will be projecting every ounce of goodwill, wishes, and hope for the safety of ALL involved; demonstrators, citizens of Ferguson, and the police, as well.

I want to thank the thoughtful and caring folks who joined me on this thread. I think your concern and participation in witnessing events in Ferguson tonight and speaking out here at DU represents the very best I have ever seen on this board in the years since I came here in 2003.

I can't thank you enough for sharing these hurtful and anguishing moments with me. Best of luck to us all, and the very best regards.

Ron.

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
75. I'm late bigtree in thanking you for the links you gave us...
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 07:41 AM
Aug 2014

it was so very helpful... especially as one of the non professional reporters was told by a policeman, that smoke, not tear gas, was being used.

(While other professional media outlets were reporting tear gas)

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
71. Cpt. Johnson gave details at press conference between 3:30 and 4am Eastern:
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 04:31 AM
Aug 2014

The initial police movement, use of tactical unit, and use of tear gas were not to enforce the curfew but were in response to an operational mission due to reports of an emergency at Red's BBQ Restaurant near the Quick-E Mart.

Intruders were reported inside the restaurant and on the roof, and there also was a gunshot victim in the vicinity. Police used smoke and tear gas to move the crowd back in an effort to get through the crowd to respond to the restaurant and the gunshot victim.

A man was seen in the street with a handgun, but he fled before he could be apprehended. A police car was also shot at, and it retreated.

Before police could reach the gunshot victim, the victim was transported to the hospital in critical condition by private car.

Police made a total of 7 arrests for failure to disperse.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
82. armed is a consequence of their law that allows open-carry
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 09:32 AM
Aug 2014

. . .not viewed by their law as provocation under most other circumstances - at least not viewed by their law as threatening, in and of itself.

"Stubborn" and "defiant" shouldn't be cause to gas such a sparse and obviously demonstrating group doing little more than standing in the street.

Apparently, jaywalking is akin to a capital offense in that town, actionable against with severe force by police.

Autumn

(44,748 posts)
88. Sometimes a source that has someone writing that has a Neanderthal mentality on some things
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:19 PM
Aug 2014

is correct on others. It's ridiculous that people who don't like some source don't just use ignore or keep at it to get those sites banned from the site. And it always the same people who serve on MIRT or host often. I bet the alerts are still being sent in on the source even if the referenced story is true. I base that on my experience as a host.

What saddens me is the driving powerful need that they have to keep this site "pure" not everyone has the time or the inclination to go to a site and find everything on it that they don't like or anything that they consider to be crazy.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
91. I'll stand by what I wrote and included in the op
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 12:35 PM
Aug 2014

. . .that said, I found the coverage to be free of bias and basically nothing more or less than a view into that section of town with two young men describing what we could all see for ourselves through their lens.

I think that most of what we saw and heard has been backed up by many independent accounts -- much has been distorted and unconfirmed in many major news accounts of what the press was not allowed (ordered into a 'zone' and threatened with arrest if they went outside of it) to get close enough to see.

Autumn

(44,748 posts)
93. I watched it and I found it to be free of bias, more so than the MSM.
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:00 PM
Aug 2014

I see no harm in looking at different sources.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
94. I think what's being objected to are links to the sites themselves
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 01:04 PM
Aug 2014

. . .which contain much promotion of a group of individuals who have allegedly engaged in objectionable practices or statements.

I find that a credible concern for a board which tries to keep our sourcing above a level of conservative or bigoted promotion.

Looking? No harm, I suppose . . . Posting links to their sites? Not something I want to participate in, knowingly.

Autumn

(44,748 posts)
95. There are individuals on those site that are nut job wacko writers
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:37 PM
Aug 2014

but on this I want every scrap of information and videos I can find to look at. I don't trust our media on this as far as I can throw it, I well remember the media during Katrina showing pic and video of Black people "looting" and white people "gathering supplies" I would never post a link to them knowingly either but some people really don't know. I'm not too keen on any type of censorship. Most people can process the crazy from the logical.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
96. if you ever feel that I can provide something for you that I don't seem willing to post here, Autumn
Sun Aug 17, 2014, 02:47 PM
Aug 2014

. . . please, please shoot me a personal email. I will be more than willing to provide that, if I'm able.

I want everyone to be as informed as possible, as well. Thanks for making such good points and I'm extremely grateful to you for your passion and commitment to these issues we discuss here. -Ron


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