How do we know there are 1,726 Palestinians killed?

[kentuck]

I know...I know....we heard it on the TV.

But, to look at the rubble from the bombings, there could be that many people buried under it?

And how do we know that 80% of them are civilians?

[Dreamer Tatum]

1. Because they said so, duh.

Don't go questioning them, you muslim-hater.

[hrmjustin]

2. Do you doubt the count?

[Dreamer Tatum]

8. I believe Hamas as much as I believe Israel

it amuses me that people who reflexively call bullshit on anything that even smells like
self-interest are willing to believe whatever Hamas says.

[hrmjustin]

9. I think that it is healthy to question but it is clear that there was massive loss of life.

[Dreamer Tatum]

11. I'm sure there is massive loss of life, and I'm sure that Israel has not been very careful at times

...but this bullshit about them killing as many people as possible is exactly that, bullshit.

If they wanted to kill everyone, everyone would be dead.

[hrmjustin]

12. They certainly killed a lot.

[Dreamer Tatum]

14. Since I consider more than one person "a lot," I agree utterly.

War is nasty business. If Hamas wouldn't hide behind the skirts of Palestinian women, it might be less nasty.

[hrmjustin]

15. Hamas is guilty of war crimes and so is Israel.

I think Israel could have restrained itself.

[Dreamer Tatum]

16. I think they are restraining themselves but not always well.

It's a terrible situation, made worse by Hamas' fascination with launching rockets any and every chance they get.

[hrmjustin]

19. I disagree they are restraining themselves. I think the pictures show thwt.

[Dreamer Tatum]

22. I don't think we have a good idea of what "restraint" would look like

other than "no civilian casualties."

Israel may be acting badly at times, but in no way will I believe they're trying to maximize death.

No easy outcome. We both know the rockets will resume as soon as Israel leaves.

[hrmjustin]

26. Israel has iron dome so they could have been more restrained.

The Palestinians don't have that protection. Israel has a right to defend itself but this is vengeance.

[Dreamer Tatum]

28. Then what would have been appropriate? nt

[hrmjustin]

29. Remove the tunnels at their end. Not killing kids.

[Dreamer Tatum]

31. The tunnels were evidently not finished on their end.

So they were impossible to detect.

[hrmjustin]

32. They could have limited their incursions.

Bombing UN schools was a complete crime.

[Dreamer Tatum]

34. "limited theior incursions"

Somehow I suspect that would have been regarded as a war crime, too.

[hrmjustin]

36. Well whether it wax or not it is clear they have comitted them now.

[Dreamer Tatum]

37. The logic I've seen so far tells me that Israel shouldn't even fight with sticks

"They have the Iron Dome, so they should be able to tolerate rockets."

Good gravy. I have an immune system, but should I be injected by the flu virus whenever someone feels like it?

[hrmjustin]

38. So bombing un schools will solve the problems?

[2naSalit]

17. Give 'em time

they are working on it while trying to maintain the victimhood stance... it's not easy to make it appear that way while annihilating an entire population with impunity... these appearances take time (and our money).

[Dreamer Tatum]

23. If they were doing what you think they are

there'd be no need for a ground invasion. They'd just rocket them forever, because their rockets work.

[2naSalit]

24. IMHO...

the ground invasion is for show, and a few personnel loses to stir the sh*tpot.

But that's my opinion. They have learned, long ago, how powerful imagery is... and they use it well.

[Dreamer Tatum]

35. If you've learned the power of imagery

then your regard for Hamas and its PR must be substantial.

[2naSalit]

41. And that

is your opinion regardless of whether it is true (and it's not true).



Propaganda is a dangerous thing, those with the most resources usually gain the upper hand in the contest of imagery. I offer Fuxnooz and the four wealthiest wannabes in the US as well known examples.

[hrmjustin]

3. There are likely hundreds buried under the rubble.

[Rex]

4. How many did we kill when we flattened the homes of countless Iraqis?

You can be guaranteed of one thing, nobody in that area is going to look like liberators or have rose pedals thrown down at their feet. Looks like war to me. Supposedly war is something humans pretend they like to avoid to stay civilized, but I think humans are drawn to war like a moth to a flame.

[WinkyDink]

5. Because only Israelis lie.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Gandhi

[LittleBlue]

7. They're all made up

Israel has the most moral artillery in the world.

[notadmblnd]

10. Yep, and here's an example of their morality tweeted for all to see

[Dreamer Tatum]

13. looks fake to me. nt

[4b5f940728b232b034e4]

39. citation please

[Dreamer Tatum]

44. journal of my fucking eyeballs, vol. 1, Aug. 2014, p.1 nt

[notadmblnd]

49. It's really not so hard to believe. Especially when reading items such as this

JABALIYA, Gaza Strip —An examination of an Israeli barrage that put a line of at least 10 shells through a United Nations school sheltering displaced Palestinians here last week suggests that Israeli troops paid little heed to warnings to safeguard such sites and may have unleashed weapons inappropriate for urban areas despite rising alarm over civilian deaths

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/04/world/middleeast/international-scrutiny-after-israeli-barrage-strike-in-jabaliya-where-united-nations-school-shelters-palestinians-in-gaza.html?_r=1

[Spider Jerusalem]

18. Gaza has a population density of over 13000 people per square mile.

Gaza City has a population density of around 25000 people per square mile. Considering the levels of devastation wrought by Israeli artillery? The casualty figures are entirely credible.

[onecaliberal]

30. Probably a lot more

dead in that rubble.

[politicman]

20. and this thread is exactly how the U.S media is complicit in Israels crimes...

because the U.N backs up that number. The U.N has people on the ground and they verified that number.

This is why America is always what I call the 'bitch' of Israel, the media is so corrupt in the U.S that they neglect to give you the information that the rest of the world knows about, and instead all you hear is the same tired crap of 'always believe anything Israel say, no matter how outrageous", and 'questions everything else that anyone in the world says, even the U.N'.

Shame.

[NV Whino]

21. Maybe, unlike the Iraq war dead, someone actually counted.

[hack89]

25. Hamas did the counting. Nt

[NV Whino]

27. I have no doubt they did

We seem to lack counting skills.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

33. So what's the count according to Israelis? nt

[hack89]

42. Beats me

6 months from now we might get accurate figure s.

[Orrex]

43. 1,726 armed Hamas soldiers, no doubt.

[notadmblnd]

46. Funny how you never see any pictures of Hamas' soldiers though

isn't it? One would think that Israel would have all sorts of video documentation of Hamas committing crimes against Israel. Yet, I've not seen one photo.

[justiceischeap]

47. To be fair, and I do not support the bombing of Gaza

you wouldn't see a Hamas soldier. They can't afford uniforms, let alone a "proper" military. They are mostly men and boys who live within the West Bank. I was trying to find a video I saw made by VICE but couldn't find the exact one. However, here's the link to videos on VICE about the conflict.

http://www.vice.com/tag/palestine

[CBGLuthier]

40. "Just Saying" should be added to the weasel words' hall of shame.

Ya know, Just Saying.

[kentuck]

48. edited for you.

[Iggo]

45. You're right. That seems low.