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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:23 AM Jul 2014

America's Poorest Shoppers Are Putting Discount Stores Out Of Business

http://www.businessinsider.com/americas-poorest-shoppers-challenged-2014-7



Discount stores are slowly dying.

Yesterday, Dollar Tree announced it would buy Family Dollar, a chain that is in the process of closing hundreds of stores and firing workers.

Other discount stores have been struggling as well, writes Heidi Moore at The Guardian. Fashion discounter Loehmann's filed for bankruptcy, while Wal-Mart's sales have declined for the past five quarters.

"There’s just not enough money deployed by American families to keep all the discount chains in business," Moore writes.



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America's Poorest Shoppers Are Putting Discount Stores Out Of Business (Original Post) xchrom Jul 2014 OP
Are they "dying" or were there just too many of them in the first place? MADem Jul 2014 #1
I think there might just be too many of them. We have many of them Arkansas Granny Jul 2014 #2
In my town, pop. 6,000 dixiegrrrrl Jul 2014 #8
I live in a town of 87,650. Within a 25 mile radius of my zip code there are Arkansas Granny Jul 2014 #10
Starbucks phenomenon. I don't shop at any of 'em... Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #32
too many of them in the first place! Peacetrain Jul 2014 #5
Yes, exactly--a card, a buck's worth of cheap wrapping paper, a pack of pens to MADem Jul 2014 #7
Sometimes there is good stuff spinbaby Jul 2014 #27
Too Many RobinA Jul 2014 #19
The town I live near Worried senior Jul 2014 #26
Nothing there that folks need Mopar151 Jul 2014 #3
cleaning supplies and paper products eShirl Jul 2014 #9
They are building a "Super Dollar General" in our town, complete with a grocery store. It's about a Ghost in the Machine Jul 2014 #17
One of these days Mopar151 Jul 2014 #18
We still have IGAs around here, too. I shop there quite often. They have some really good deals Ghost in the Machine Jul 2014 #28
It's still around. DemocraticWing Jul 2014 #29
There are probably several factors.... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #4
After the Dollar Tree/Family Dollar Stores merger, I expect store closings. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #6
LOL - here let me fix that for you, BI KG Jul 2014 #11
Too many vultures on the carcass . . . hatrack Jul 2014 #12
Well we can be certain it is not the very rich. Rex Jul 2014 #13
You can only suck so many $1.00's from people... Historic NY Jul 2014 #14
But we are told the economy grew by 4% in the 2nd quarter. former9thward Jul 2014 #15
Not feeling sorry for Family Dollar MissNostalgia Jul 2014 #16
There’s just not enough money deployed by American families... justiceischeap Jul 2014 #20
I'm not sure they're dying, I think liberalhistorian Jul 2014 #21
There's not enough money to keep all those corporations making those precious billions. Initech Jul 2014 #22
Wealthiest nation in human history. Octafish Jul 2014 #23
The aristos are back! Orsino Jul 2014 #24
And the sophistos want so to be like them. Octafish Jul 2014 #25
For some things (detergent, dryer sheets, toiletries) there is no better place to shop TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #30
I totally disagree with this article... CoffeeCat Jul 2014 #31

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. Are they "dying" or were there just too many of them in the first place?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:30 AM
Jul 2014

How much plastic shit from China does anyone need?

Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
2. I think there might just be too many of them. We have many of them
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:48 AM
Jul 2014

where I live and more are being opened in small towns around here, as well. Some of them carry groceries, including refrigerated and frozen foods. I suspect that there are too many stores for the population they serve.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
8. In my town, pop. 6,000
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:00 AM
Jul 2014

and the county seat for a pop. of 23,000

there are 5 dollar stores, 2 are Dollar General and seem to be very busy.
The Family Dollar store has an empty parking lot most of the time.

Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
10. I live in a town of 87,650. Within a 25 mile radius of my zip code there are
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:15 AM
Jul 2014

7 Family Dollars, 19 Dollar Generals and 2 Dollar Trees. That's not to mention a few smaller stores that have the same format.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
32. Starbucks phenomenon. I don't shop at any of 'em...
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 02:10 AM
Jul 2014

Austin has several used goods places which are crowded with thousands of people getting killed on housing cost. This SS recipient uses them, and local indie restaurants.

Peacetrain

(22,875 posts)
5. too many of them in the first place!
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:23 AM
Jul 2014

We have them all over the place around here..and no one goes to any of them, ( I usually go to get birthday cards, but that is about it) the stuff is so poorly made, no one wants it.. that is just a fact..

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. Yes, exactly--a card, a buck's worth of cheap wrapping paper, a pack of pens to
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:27 AM
Jul 2014

write the card out with! That kind of thing...

I brought an elderly lady to one a few months back--there isn't much "good" stuff in those joints, though they are very neatly laid out (at least the one I was in was...).

spinbaby

(15,088 posts)
27. Sometimes there is good stuff
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jul 2014

You have to check regularly but every once in a while you can turn up something good. My last good find was Pears soap--a favorite of mine. I bought out the joint and now we have enough to last us for years.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
19. Too Many
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:43 PM
Jul 2014

In my area they have cropped up like weeds. There are way more than there used to be. Lots of people shop there because they like getting things cheap. Personally, I hate them and don't shop there. WalMart is as low as I go. Used to love the 5&10, but those Dollar Stores et al. just creep me out.

Worried senior

(1,328 posts)
26. The town I live near
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 03:12 PM
Jul 2014

has less than 1000 people, there is a Family Dollar and Dollar General. Walmart is 30 miles away and since they supersized it's got less than the older original store did.

Don't shop at Wally anymore than we have to but our Part D prescription company made them the preferred pharmacy so really have no choice but to buy our meds there.

Only get diet coke at the $ stores for the most part, once in a while I'll get some vitamins or over counter drugs as long as I know they are safe.

Mopar151

(9,981 posts)
3. Nothing there that folks need
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:25 AM
Jul 2014

Basic foodstuffs not all that cheap, compared to a GOOD grocery, no fresh food, alll the cheapest crap that most folks just don't want.

In New England, they have proliferated alongside thousands of "drugstores", who also sell similar "groceries" at prices higher than supermarkets by "a lot%". They serve our "food deserts".

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
17. They are building a "Super Dollar General" in our town, complete with a grocery store. It's about a
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:45 AM
Jul 2014

quarter mile from the current Dollar General. We have 2 more dollar Generals in the County. 1 in the North end, the one in downtown (where they are building the new one now) and one in the South end of the County. We also have a Family Dollar within a block of each Dollar General. Our County is laid out weird... it follows the Tennessee River, and the whole County is 7 miles wide and 35 miles long. Many people depend on these stores, as their only other option is to drive 15 to 40 miles one way to another town to shop.... taking much needed tax dollars out of our coffers.

Peace,

Ghost

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
28. We still have IGAs around here, too. I shop there quite often. They have some really good deals
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 04:14 PM
Jul 2014

on a lot of products. It's the only place I can find the big 1/4 lb. hotdogs that I like.... and like I said above, great prices on many products.

I'm a very frugal shopper and know how to stretch my budget, whether it be groceries, clothing or whatever else I need.

Peace,

Ghost

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
29. It's still around.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:12 PM
Jul 2014

There are quite a few in Kentucky, most of which used to be a local chain called Houchens. It seems to be expanding too.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
4. There are probably several factors....
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:58 AM
Jul 2014

I think many of them expanded too rapidly over the past 15 years. The "housing-boom" driven growth of the first decade of this century turned homes into cash machines. Sales and profits were soaring.

But those people have lost their cash machines. Many of them have lost their jobs and the jobs they have are either minimum wage or much lower paying than jobs they had before.

Against that backdrop there are too many stores as in actual number of physical stores as well as too many discounters.

I had an uncle who would go to Wal Mart and if something was on sale he would be 5 of them just because they were on sale. I got the most bizarre Christmas gifts from he and his second wife. They were well meaning but the day I opened the gifts I asked myself if ANYONE could find use for the gift and the answer was always NO. If there had been any conceivable use I would have given it to Goodwill or another charity. But as it was "junk" from China, I would take it apart very carefully and recycle anything could be recycled (most of it was plastic so the answer was yes) and the rest went to the trash.

We do not need all this crap from China (and elsewhere).

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
6. After the Dollar Tree/Family Dollar Stores merger, I expect store closings.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:26 AM
Jul 2014

I imagine somewhere around 3000 stores will be closed due to redundancy of location.

KG

(28,751 posts)
11. LOL - here let me fix that for you, BI
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:21 AM
Jul 2014

'There’s just not enough money deployed by American families to keep all the discount chains in business,'

There’s just not enough money deployed by American BUSINESS to keep all the discount chains in business,"

hatrack

(59,584 posts)
12. Too many vultures on the carcass . . .
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:23 AM
Jul 2014

It's down to mostly bones now, and not everyone gets to flap away with a full crop.

Sorry, birdies!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
13. Well we can be certain it is not the very rich.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:23 AM
Jul 2014

America's poorest shoppers sometimes have to live off the dollar menu at Mc Donalds. But yeah...let's worry about some corporation going out of business. Those poor CEOs.

MissNostalgia

(159 posts)
16. Not feeling sorry for Family Dollar
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:33 AM
Jul 2014

I took a week long temp job with Family Dollar in McCormick SC to assist in the opening of a new store. It was hard manual labor, I really wasn't prepared for it physically. Nevertheless I stuck to it, and the following week I was to be paid, I wasn't. The entire group of new hires I worked with weren't paid, we all had to to call corporate to get help, and eventually did get our pay.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
20. There’s just not enough money deployed by American families...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jul 2014

Deployed, really? Why not just say American families don't have enough of that money to "deploy" in the first place? I don't think it's that American's aren't spending their hard earned dollars, I think they don't have the dollars to spend and when they do, they're spending it wiser or more likely, using food banks.

liberalhistorian

(20,816 posts)
21. I'm not sure they're dying, I think
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:55 PM
Jul 2014

it's more likely that there's a glut of them. The only reason the Family Dollar here in town is still in business is because it's a rural town on a remote Indian reservation, there is no other place to go within ninety miles, and people don't have cars and gas money for the trip. In the other town we recently lived in, the Family Dollar was struggling because there was an Alco's right across the street.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
30. For some things (detergent, dryer sheets, toiletries) there is no better place to shop
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:40 PM
Jul 2014

For other things like clothes (on occasion better and cheaper than Walmart) but more groceries there may be no place worse.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
31. I totally disagree with this article...
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 01:39 AM
Jul 2014

Yes, Family Dollar is tanking--but it's always been the weakest of the small-discount stores.

Dollar Tree is growing and doing well, and The Dollar Store's stock has surged since 2008. I wanted to punch Jim Cramer (CNBC) in the face for urging his viewers to invest in The Dollar Store and cash in on the middle class's misfortune. But Cramer was right.

2008 changed everything. The middle class suffered a great deal and people were looking for ways to save money. We discovered that cleaning products and batteries were $1 at these discount stores. Many items, such as make-up, pet supplies, health and beauty products and paper goods are cheaper. The middle class has continued to shop in these places. Who is going to pay $3.50 for Windex when you can't get the dollar-store brand for $1? I can buy helium balloons, gift bags, dishwashing soap, party supplies, glassware, etc.--all kinds of things, for $1 at Dollar Tree.

These discount stores changed our family's shopping forever. These stores will continue to thrive as the middle class continues to suffer and wages stagnate. We're paying so much more for groceries--don't even get me started. Gas is expensive. Healthcare costs are so much higher. College costs are crazy. We're looking for ways to save money as our salaries are stuck.

Also--Walmart is in decline because that company is hated with a passion. It's not because the poor aren't shopping there anymore. It's because people at every socioeconomic level are shopping there less. I avoid that place like the plague and I used to shop at Walmart weekly. I wouldn't even lump Walmart in with these discounters. Walmart's prices are NOT that great. Certainly not as low as the dollar stores, and they are tanking because of public hatred of their brand.

I think these dollar stores (Dollar Store, Dollar Tree) will do well and continue to do well.

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