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Santorum's little girl has been taken to the hospital. (Original Post) CTyankee Apr 2012 OP
I'm so sorry to hear this. RandySF Apr 2012 #1
I pray for her speedy recovery uponit7771 Apr 2012 #2
Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #3
Do you have proof of that? RegieRocker Apr 2012 #4
it doesn't matter ProdigalJunkMail Apr 2012 #8
Here you go. Lionessa Apr 2012 #21
I agree that the post should not had been hidden. LiberalFighter Apr 2012 #39
it is typical in a way that a comment about religion should co-opt a thread about a little roguevalley Apr 2012 #66
Poor little thing. I hope she pulls through. She's got a tough life ahead, though. calimary Apr 2012 #76
thanks. Its hard to overlook her dad but the little girl is beautiful and ailing. Nothing is worse. roguevalley Apr 2012 #77
Here Harvard says it may actual hurt one's chances. Lionessa Apr 2012 #25
If they wanted to have a truly proper scientific study... LiberalFighter Apr 2012 #42
Unless each group had a specified surgeon and there was no overlap, Lionessa Apr 2012 #43
Maybe not atreides1 Apr 2012 #6
Prayers work, if you believe in them. If you do not belive.... wandy Apr 2012 #30
I won't even argue with you about whether they work or not BUT one things for sure, Ecumenist Apr 2012 #13
And actually, even placebos work Generic Other Apr 2012 #24
Generic, I KNOW it works, I shouldn't be here typing this...was diagnosed with Ecumenist Apr 2012 #26
glad you are here noiretextatique Apr 2012 #33
Thank you Noir and I'm tickled that you won your battle. I'm sorry to learn that you dear sister Ecumenist Apr 2012 #35
praying for you, sis noiretextatique Apr 2012 #41
I'm glad you survived! Arugula Latte Apr 2012 #40
Can't explain everything. I know my own experience and the DISMAY of my doctors Ecumenist Apr 2012 #46
I'm not going to attempt to explain your recovery one way or the other, Ecumenist. lpbk2713 Apr 2012 #48
Thanks Lpbk2713! I just like to talk to people and I don't understand why I'm still here vs Ecumenist Apr 2012 #59
This is what I believe as based on a life with a personal near death experience. roguevalley Apr 2012 #69
Prayer cured you? No medical assistance at all? WOW! Lionessa Apr 2012 #44
That's not what I said, Lionessa. I said that medicine can only do so much...EVEN Ecumenist Apr 2012 #45
So were you just more worthy than the sister Lionessa Apr 2012 #49
Don't where you're going with your "line" of thought. Never said I was more deserving...Get help Ecumenist Apr 2012 #52
Just trying to understand the rationale behind your being helped and others' not. Lionessa Apr 2012 #53
You know what Lionessa, I NEVER IMPLIED or said anything about being helped vs others Ecumenist Apr 2012 #55
You may not say it but it appears to be true according to your claim of prayer help Lionessa Apr 2012 #60
You know what Lionessa, I have no problems with Athiests that I have met but there seems to be a Ecumenist Apr 2012 #61
A simple question is now an attack? Still no answer. Lionessa Apr 2012 #64
because some don't make it and some do. That is why. Perhaps it was because in their roguevalley Apr 2012 #70
for me, prayers are a meditation on a person that they have health, etc. I feel the energy of roguevalley Apr 2012 #68
The mind is a higher power Generic Other Apr 2012 #73
Thank you and Happy Easter, Passover, Sunday and first day of the week! Ecumenist Apr 2012 #75
+a million. roguevalley Apr 2012 #67
I hope she's okay. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2012 #5
Hope she gets better nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #7
Thanks!! nt gateley Apr 2012 #20
best thoughts bigtree Apr 2012 #9
Trisomy 18 usually is fatal. 90% of children with this genetic disorder sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #10
Life is fatal. undeterred Apr 2012 #11
Wow. kmla Apr 2012 #18
It's a little different when it's fatal to a child as opposed to sufrommich Apr 2012 #54
Amen Sufronmich....I hope and pray she's able to defy the medical prognosis Ecumenist Apr 2012 #62
Sending vibes. sakabatou Apr 2012 #12
This explains why he is taking a break from the campaign and at the same time it will give him jwirr Apr 2012 #14
if he had any decency, he would drop out but... CTyankee Apr 2012 #19
I hope things turn out well for her. Arkansas Granny Apr 2012 #15
Best wishes for the Santorum family N/T Cirque du So-What Apr 2012 #16
Hoping she will be ok. WI_DEM Apr 2012 #17
The poor little thing. Sending love her way. nt gateley Apr 2012 #22
Best wishes for recovery - and I'm glad to see so much humanity here aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2012 #23
Poor thing. MinneapolisMatt Apr 2012 #27
(((sending thoughts))) handmade34 Apr 2012 #28
I was hoping the same thing... CTyankee Apr 2012 #31
Those are my thoughts too. KitSileya Apr 2012 #32
best wishes to this family dealing with the stress of a long-term condition RainDog Apr 2012 #29
Of course I wish Bella well but cali Apr 2012 #34
I like to think that sometimes this kind of experience can change people. CTyankee Apr 2012 #36
wait a minute. that there is a sick child here does NOT mean other sick children don't matter at cali Apr 2012 #38
Oh, I agree with you. It should be there for ALL children. I would hope his heart would open to that CTyankee Apr 2012 #57
He's been there twice, Ms. Toad Apr 2012 #56
please forget politics for a moment!!! handmade34 Apr 2012 #37
what a sweet picture demtenjeep Apr 2012 #71
so sad, wishing her Bluerthanblue Apr 2012 #47
Best wishes to her LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #50
That photo takes my heart away...and makes Santorum more human cr8tvlde Apr 2012 #51
I hope she gets better soon ! nt steve2470 Apr 2012 #58
Very sad. I hope she recovers. Chorophyll Apr 2012 #63
Poor Little One. Best wishes for her recovery. nolabear Apr 2012 #65
I pray that she gets well. nt TeamsterDem Apr 2012 #72
Poor lamb. ColesCountyDem Apr 2012 #74

Response to uponit7771 (Reply #2)

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
8. it doesn't matter
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:03 PM
Apr 2012

some people cannot wait to piss on any expression of faith...it is like siren-song to them; they cannot resist it.

sP

LiberalFighter

(50,496 posts)
39. I agree that the post should not had been hidden.
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:04 PM
Apr 2012

They don't work. There is no factual support. If they did a simple prayer by those close to the individual should be more than enough.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
66. it is typical in a way that a comment about religion should co-opt a thread about a little
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:06 AM
Apr 2012

girl at death's door. Sad. I hope she recovers and if not, then I hope for peace for the ones who love her.

calimary

(80,693 posts)
76. Poor little thing. I hope she pulls through. She's got a tough life ahead, though.
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 06:38 PM
Apr 2012

I too hope for peace for the ones who love her. Nicely said, roguevalley.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
25. Here Harvard says it may actual hurt one's chances.
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:37 PM
Apr 2012
http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/html/3_31STEP.html


".....Some patients were told they may or may not receive intercessory prayer: complications occurred in 52 percent of those who received prayer (Group 1) versus 51 percent of those who did not receive prayer (Group 2). Complications occurred in 59 percent of patients who were told they would receive prayer (Group 3) versus 52 percent, who also received prayer, but were uncertain of receiving it (Group 1). Major complications and thirty-day mortality were similar across the three groups......"

LiberalFighter

(50,496 posts)
42. If they wanted to have a truly proper scientific study...
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:09 PM
Apr 2012

they would compare the results of those needing surgery and receiving it and those relying solely on prayer.


But if they were using the study they conducted shouldn't it require patients have the same surgeon. Ability of a surgeon could be enough to be the difference.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
43. Unless each group had a specified surgeon and there was no overlap,
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:12 PM
Apr 2012

I think probably that would not be an underlying issue. But who knows. It is also darn close to a reasonable margin of error being only 7% higher in those that knew they were being prayed over, so I'm more likely to remember it as being nearly a draw, but that even shows that it doesn't help which is all that the poster requested proof of.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
30. Prayers work, if you believe in them. If you do not belive....
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:02 PM
Apr 2012

me for example, you do something else.
Each to their own.
My hopes for the child. All I can give.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
13. I won't even argue with you about whether they work or not BUT one things for sure,
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:08 PM
Apr 2012

there's nothing to lose by sending good thoughts and prayers.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
24. And actually, even placebos work
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:35 PM
Apr 2012

that's scientific fact. So I am not willing to dismiss the potential power of prayer.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
26. Generic, I KNOW it works, I shouldn't be here typing this...was diagnosed with
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:40 PM
Apr 2012

stage 4 cancer and INTERNAL GANGRENE last year. I KNOW IT WORKS!

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
33. glad you are here
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:24 PM
Apr 2012

cancer survivor myself...almost 5 years now. i have the utmost respect for people who battle that beast. mine was stage 2 breast cancer, and treatment was minimal. but my little sister died from inflammatory breast cancer in 2006...18 months before i was diagnosed. she was so incredibly brave and fought it to the end. kudos to you, my friend.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
35. Thank you Noir and I'm tickled that you won your battle. I'm sorry to learn that you dear sister
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:35 PM
Apr 2012

passed over from IBC, now that's a beast and a half. I'n not out of the woods completely but as I tell people, I can see the meadow. I know prayer works and I will never believe anything other than that. If prayer brought me through, ( as we all know, medicine can only do so much), I KNOW prayer can work wonders. Thanks again, Noitextatique!

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
40. I'm glad you survived!
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:06 PM
Apr 2012

However, lots and lots of people with stage 4 cancer pray and have people praying for them, and they don't live. So it doesn't work for them.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
46. Can't explain everything. I know my own experience and the DISMAY of my doctors
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:40 PM
Apr 2012

I had stage 4 cancer AND gangrene INTERNALLY. So, don't know what to tell you. Perhaps, (God forbid that you EVER have to go through anything like I have had, I would wish it only on the most vile and murderous evil in the history of Humanity), then you'd understand. I know that there are people who had cancer that was nowhere near as serious as mine was and they're gone and I'm still here.

EVERY ONE OF THE DOCTORS on my team said that's the only thing that explains it. That I shouldn't be here and it appears at this point, that my cancer has just "stopped" hasn't grown at all since a scan that was done right after i got out og hospital...LAST FEBRUARY!

lpbk2713

(42,696 posts)
48. I'm not going to attempt to explain your recovery one way or the other, Ecumenist.
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:45 PM
Apr 2012



I'm just glad that you did indeed bounce back.

I always read your posts whenever I see them. I consider you a valuable contributor to DU.





Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
59. Thanks Lpbk2713! I just like to talk to people and I don't understand why I'm still here vs
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:40 PM
Apr 2012

others who had less disease that I had. It hasn't been easy but I know that even according to my doctors, there no medical reason for me to be here in the condition that I am and the only thing that can explain it is for whatever reason. Prayer was the thing that got me over the hump. It's not something I would wish on my worst enemy. Well, maybe my worst enemy thanks again

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
69. This is what I believe as based on a life with a personal near death experience.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:10 AM
Apr 2012

we come here with our time laid out. We live our life, learn and then the time comes and we go. some can hang on and change their time. They have things to do and they survive. It could also be that they were supposed to survive whatever because that is part of the learning on their card. You don't die without agreement. Even prayers can't change that. But they can comfort your path ahead. I don't believe prayers sincerely offered are ever wrong. Belief be damned, for me. The universe is so vast and amazing that anything is possible. I will offer prayers to all on this list that have suffered. A meditation on love for you is never wrong.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
45. That's not what I said, Lionessa. I said that medicine can only do so much...EVEN
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:33 PM
Apr 2012

MY DOCTORS and I had a load of them told my husband that they DID NOT EXPECT ME TO LEAVE HOSPITAL!! At most, I was only supposed to survive to LAST MARCH!! Don't care what you say. I KNOW prayer helped me. My doctors are still shaking their heads.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
49. So were you just more worthy than the sister
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:47 PM
Apr 2012

mentioned in the above post to which you responded your sympathy for that poster's loss?

Just curious how you rationalize it helped you and perhaps her, but not her sister? Did more people pray for you, were you more deserving, did God love you better for saving your life or her better because he brought her to heaven.

Please explain, I don't understand the ego behind thinking prayer helped you but didn't help someone else.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
52. Don't where you're going with your "line" of thought. Never said I was more deserving...Get help
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:55 PM
Apr 2012

NEVER IMPLIED ANY SUPERIORITY. Just expressing my sadness. I'm still fighting this disease, good grief..WHAT THE FUCK DOES EGO HAVE TO DO WITH IT? Did you even read what I was speaking to NOIRTEXATIQUE about.....Wow, You're way out of line..!!!

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
53. Just trying to understand the rationale behind your being helped and others' not.
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:56 PM
Apr 2012

I'm sorry the concept makes you defensive and uncomfortable. Rational thought often feels that way, though.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
55. You know what Lionessa, I NEVER IMPLIED or said anything about being helped vs others
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:03 PM
Apr 2012

Hopefully, YOU will never have to fight this beast. It's not fun or theoretical. It's not a matter of ego. DO YOU REALLY THINK I WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS? REALLY??!! I was pointing out something to SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOU who understands and NEVER, ONCE SAID ANYTHING THAT WOULD CAUSE ANYONE TO THINK SOMEHOW I WAS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE.

I get pissed when I'm accused of something I haven't done and it's especially uncomfortable when it's coming from someone I neither know nor was addressing. Believe and think what you want to. I can only speak for myself.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
60. You may not say it but it appears to be true according to your claim of prayer help
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 09:24 PM
Apr 2012

while clearly being aware that others didn't respond to prayer help.

Again, terribly sorry being asked analytically critical questions about your belief in prayer and it's supposed help. It helped you, you claim, why didn't it help others'? Why didn't help Santorum's daughter from being cursed with this disease in the first place, I have no doubt they prayed for a healthy child.

So I continue to ask, why does prayer supposedly help you, but not others? Why some but not others? You claim to believe, so please explain this confusing issue? Instead you continue to simply scream about being asked to think and reply. Go figure, and then we wonder why so many atheists feel intellectually superior to believers.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
61. You know what Lionessa, I have no problems with Athiests that I have met but there seems to be a
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 10:22 PM
Apr 2012

sort of atheist here that seem to delight in being disgustingly obtuse. WHY WOULD YOU ASK ME WHAT I BELIEVE IS GOD's CHOICE? If you don't believe, knock yourself out but I have no obligation to prove anything to you. I know what I've gone through and experienced. Asking me why Isabella Santorum is ill has got to be the most assinine thing I have ever been asked. Why the fuck is what my experience , WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, supposed to be able to give me information about a child I DON'T know and have no contact with in any way.

You know, SOME of the Atheists here on DU whine about being hated and I just wonder if some of the disdain has to do with the way you attack people who aren't saying anything to you. The atheists I have met DO NOT GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to be offensive and disrespectful of others objective and subjective experiences. I honestly DON'T care what you think. I know what I feel and believe and you might find yourself in my shoes someday and find that you will have to rethink your position. What's the saying? There's no atheists in a foxhole.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
64. A simple question is now an attack? Still no answer.
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 11:00 PM
Apr 2012

Just more anger and hatred from you. Interesting, and I'm the atheist, go figure.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
70. because some don't make it and some do. That is why. Perhaps it was because in their
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:15 AM
Apr 2012

life they were supposed to live and learn something about survival, life and death and other concepts and others weren't. Sometimes its that simple.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
68. for me, prayers are a meditation on a person that they have health, etc. I feel the energy of
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 12:07 AM
Apr 2012

love that I send into the universe matters and helps. Good for you, Ecumenist. I cannot imagine your pain but you have my prayers. I personally know they work. To each his own. When we pass on we will all know the truth.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
73. The mind is a higher power
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 03:51 PM
Apr 2012

It is the power of suggestion that works in prayer, magic, hypnosis and psychology. I don't know why anyone would deny it.

Glad to hear it worked for you.

sinkingfeeling

(51,276 posts)
10. Trisomy 18 usually is fatal. 90% of children with this genetic disorder
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:04 PM
Apr 2012

die before or during birth. Bella Santorum has beaten the odds so far. If she survives to be a teenager, it will be a miracle.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
54. It's a little different when it's fatal to a child as opposed to
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:00 PM
Apr 2012

an aged adult who's lived a full life though, isn't it? Most humans who are capable of empathy understand that.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
14. This explains why he is taking a break from the campaign and at the same time it will give him
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:08 PM
Apr 2012

a way out. I respect his dedication to that little girl. Hopefully she will make it through this newest crisis.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
23. Best wishes for recovery - and I'm glad to see so much humanity here
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:33 PM
Apr 2012

We're not barbarians here unlike other other unnamed political websites where the children of political figures are attacked whether they are sick or not.

handmade34

(22,755 posts)
28. (((sending thoughts)))
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:50 PM
Apr 2012

no parents should ever have to see their children suffer I hope she is not in pain!

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
32. Those are my thoughts too.
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:19 PM
Apr 2012

This must be an agonizing time for her and her family, and I hope she will be well again soon, and if that is not possible, that she suffer as little as possible.

Regardless of how much we want everyone to have the same access to health care as the Santorums and their ilk, I cannot be anything but happy that she will be given all possible care. Every child deserves that, no matter their circumstances.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
29. best wishes to this family dealing with the stress of a long-term condition
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 04:56 PM
Apr 2012

these situations can be really difficult. He's fortunate that he's able to have a private nurse and hospital equipment in their home, but, as we see, even that is not always enough.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
34. Of course I wish Bella well but
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:29 PM
Apr 2012

I can't help but think of all the families who don't have the resources that the Santorums have and that Santorum himself could care less about those families with ill children and lack of resources.

CTyankee

(63,769 posts)
36. I like to think that sometimes this kind of experience can change people.
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:53 PM
Apr 2012

That maybe his stone heart will be moved and he will become a more caring person for those in need of health care, and less caring for people who just want to make money.

But my political motives are irrelevant. There is a sick child here. That right now is all that really matters or should matter.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
38. wait a minute. that there is a sick child here does NOT mean other sick children don't matter at
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:01 PM
Apr 2012

this moment in time. I can't believe you meant that. And it is not about politics. It's about human suffering. As I said, I wish Bella well, but she is not the only child suffering. I'm glad she has such excellent care. I only wish so many other children who need such care had it.

CTyankee

(63,769 posts)
57. Oh, I agree with you. It should be there for ALL children. I would hope his heart would open to that
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:31 PM
Apr 2012

but it seems to me that is just now comes down to caring for Bella. I care for her. I really do. It doesn't mean I don't care for any other child with her condition...

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
56. He's been there twice,
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 07:07 PM
Apr 2012

and his views have not changed.

He lost a son to a bladder condition, and Bella was born (and has been living all her life) with a condition which is nearly always fatal. I do bereavement photography as a volunteer, and we are routinely called in advance to be present for the birth of children with this condition because (if born alive) they are not generally expected to live more than a few hours.

After living with both monumental challenge to the health of his children - with Bella for more than three years, he still seems not to understand that he is one of the lucky ones who has access to both interventional and palliative care.

I would have hoped it would change him politically - but I think that is (at this point) a vain hope.

I do hope for whatever is gentlest for his little Bella.

handmade34

(22,755 posts)
37. please forget politics for a moment!!!
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 05:55 PM
Apr 2012

I wish only the best for this little girl!!

we are a much better society when we can transend some things for a time... this picture is so precious

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
71. what a sweet picture
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 03:18 AM
Apr 2012

This little girl has had such a hard life in her 3 short years. I pray she doesn't suffer.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
51. That photo takes my heart away...and makes Santorum more human
Fri Apr 6, 2012, 06:54 PM
Apr 2012

as his love shines out ... even though I abhor his politics.

This is only an opinion, but running for president in an off year with a minority (referring to percentages of voters) political viewpoint, puts immense pressure on the family, his wife, his other children and the little girl, as well. Why? But then I thought, perhaps he needs the campaign money which can, I think, legally pay his home expenses? Maybe it positions him better for a local political job that can pay what it must cost for his family?

Still, very sad and wish them the best.

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