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Wed Jul 16, 2014, 07:52 PM

Watching Stephen Colbert....Al Gore DID invent the internet!!!!!

Just watched my taped version of Stephen Colbert from last night...... and Vintage Serf said so.

http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/guests/vint-cerf

Good show.... Anyone see it????

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Reply Watching Stephen Colbert....Al Gore DID invent the internet!!!!! (Original post)
a kennedy Jul 2014 OP
WhiteTara Jul 2014 #1
dsc Jul 2014 #3
WhiteTara Jul 2014 #6
lame54 Jul 2014 #7
dsc Jul 2014 #9
lame54 Jul 2014 #16
dsc Jul 2014 #21
deutsey Jul 2014 #22
unblock Jul 2014 #26
Beaverhausen Jul 2014 #8
Jenoch Jul 2014 #12
bullwinkle428 Jul 2014 #18
Jenoch Jul 2014 #19
Aristus Jul 2014 #23
msanthrope Jul 2014 #17
valerief Jul 2014 #2
Retrograde Jul 2014 #4
Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #10
edhopper Jul 2014 #5
Samantha Jul 2014 #11
Jenoch Jul 2014 #13
Ghost in the Machine Jul 2014 #14
Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #15
edhopper Jul 2014 #20
ieoeja Jul 2014 #25
ieoeja Jul 2014 #24
unblock Jul 2014 #27

Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 07:58 PM

1. And Love Story was a movie about him.

It just sounds so fantastic that it was easy to make it a lie, even though it was truth.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 09:33 PM

3. and sadly people here still tell us that Gore ran a lousy campaign

because they believe the same stone cold liars that called Gore a liar.

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Response to dsc (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 09:58 PM

6. KKKarl Rove is a master of deceit and manipulation.

He is evil incarnate.

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Response to dsc (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 10:00 PM

7. He did run a lousy campaign...

that doesn't mean they didn't lie about them

both things happened

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Response to lame54 (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 10:03 PM

9. really if it was so lousy

why did he out perform Truman, Kennedy, Clinton twice plus all our losers. Also why did it gain 17 points in a year and a half. How many lousy campaigns do that.

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Response to dsc (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 07:51 AM

16. I was there in real time...

and that was my impression

he snubbed a popular Bill Clinton and picked Lieberman as his running mate

That's worth at least 537 votes



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Response to lame54 (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:36 AM

21. Lieberman gained votes in Florida by increasing Jewish turn out

and he was a much different man in 1999 than in 2003

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Response to lame54 (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 09:54 AM

22. That was my impression at the time, too, unfortunately.

I still voted for him, though, as did the majority of Americans.

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Response to lame54 (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 10:48 AM

26. good grief, you seriously don't think your "impression" was influenced by a slanted media?

pretty telling that you come up with something highly manipulable, such as an "impression", rather than anything concrete.

note also that the impression of a lousy campaign is *heavily* influenced by who ends up getting the win. had the gore been properly seated in the white house, no one would be going around saying he ran a lousy campaign.

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Response to dsc (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 10:02 PM

8. People also forget that he WON the popular vote

I know...I know...

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Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 01:09 AM

12. We don't elect our president and vice-president based on the popular vote.

 

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:05 AM

18. The more important thing was, he won Florida.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:11 AM

19. If he won Tennessee, Florida would have been irrelevant.

 

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 10:17 AM

23. People who shake their heads and wonder why Al Gore lost his home state,

seem to forget that he's Al Gore; a local boy who got himself an education and got out of there. He left the bumpkins behind and decided to do good things for the world. No Tennessean is going to vote for someone like that...

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Response to dsc (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 07:54 AM

17. He did run a lousy campaign. I was there. nt

 

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 09:30 PM

2. That segment with Cerf was great. nt

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 09:33 PM

4. Sort of, kinda

While Al Gore had little to no technical influence on how DARPAnet and today's internet developed, he was instrumental in getting Congress to fund the research that went into it. So I'll give him credit for being one of several parents.

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Response to Retrograde (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 10:40 PM

10. That's all Al Gore was talking about, his legislative achievements while in the Congress in opening

up the Internet to the people, but the corporate media couldn't bring themselves to give the man credit.

They saw the Internet as a growing threat against their monopoly on the distribution and dissemination of information and a resultant loss of propaganda power and treasure.

The last thing the corporate media wanted was the the preeminent political champion of the Internet in the White House which would've made it much more difficult for them to attack and weaken the Information Superhighway.

That's what the continuous slander and libel of "Al Gore claimed to have invented the Internet" along with a host of other lies attacking his substantial credibility was all about.

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Wed Jul 16, 2014, 09:42 PM

5. He said he took the initiative

in Congress to create it. that means funding and policy to anyone with an ounce of intelligence.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 12:22 AM

11. He wrote the legislation

No one else in Congress was even interested. It was at the end of the Cold War, and the military had no more use for the -- I believe it was called Arpanet, something like that. The idea had come up to just ditch it when it was suggested it be given to the people. Al Gore saw the potential benefits that could be derived from doing just that and jumped in to make it happen.

Sam

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Response to edhopper (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 01:12 AM

13. To create it? It was already 'created'.

 

Computers were sending packets of data over a network in the 60s.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 01:49 AM

14. I think it's more like he put it the public domain instead of just Govt & Educational Institutes

using it at the time...

Congressional work and Gore Bill[edit]
Gore had been involved with computers since the 1970s, first as a Congressman and later as Senator and Vice President, where he was a "genuine nerd, with a geek reputation running back to his days as a futurist Atari Democrat in the House. Before computers were comprehensible [...] Gore struggled to explain artificial intelligence and fiber-optic networks to sleepy colleagues."[1] According to Campbell-Kelly and Aspray (Computer: A History of the Information Machine), up until the early 1990s public usage of the Internet was limited and the "problem of giving ordinary Americans network access had excited Senator Al Gore since the late 1970s."[2]

Of Gore's involvement in the then-developing Internet while in Congress, Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn have also noted that,

As far back as the 1970s Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high-speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship [...] the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1993. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises.[3]

24 Jun 1986: Albert Gore introduced S 2594 Supercomputer Network Study Act of 1986[4]

As a Senator, Gore began to craft the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 (commonly referred to as "The Gore Bill"[5]) after hearing the 1988 report Toward a National Research Network[6] submitted to Congress by a group chaired by UCLA professor of computer science, Leonard Kleinrock, one of the central creators of the ARPANET (the ARPANET, first deployed by Kleinrock and others in 1969, is the predecessor of the Internet).[7]

Indeed, Kleinrock would later credit both Gore and the Gore Bill as a critical moment in Internet history:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore_and_information_technology#Congressional_work_and_Gore_Bill


Just my 2 cents worth.....

Peace

Ghost

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 01:53 AM

15. Not as it is today, to all the people, and that's what Gore was talking about.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_gore

Gore was one of the Atari Democrats who were given this name due to their "passion for technological issues, from biomedical research and genetic engineering to the environmental impact of the "greenhouse effect."[32] On March 19, 1979 he became the first member of Congress to appear on C-SPAN.[50] During this time, Gore co-chaired the Congressional Clearinghouse on the Future with Newt Gingrich.[51] In addition, he has been described as having been a "genuine nerd, with a geek reputation running back to his days as a futurist Atari Democrat in the House. Before computers were comprehensible, let alone sexy, the poker-faced Gore struggled to explain artificial intelligence and fiber-optic networks to sleepy colleagues."[32][52] Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn noted that,

"as far back as the 1970s, Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship [...] the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication."[53]

Gore introduced the Supercomputer Network Study Act of 1986.[54] He also sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises."[53]

As a Senator, Gore began to craft the High Performance Computing Act of 1991 (commonly referred to as "The Gore Bill" after hearing the 1988 report Toward a National Research Network submitted to Congress by a group chaired by UCLA professor of computer science, Leonard Kleinrock, one of the central creators of the ARPANET (the ARPANET, first deployed by Kleinrock and others in 1969, is the predecessor of the Internet).[55][56][57] The bill was passed on December 9, 1991 and led to the National Information Infrastructure (NII) which Gore referred to as the "information superhighway."[58]


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Response to Jenoch (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 08:42 AM

20. Yes,

but he was talking about the public internet. He never claimed to have created the technology.
Eisenhower did not create the highway, but he created the interstate highway system.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 10:40 AM

25. I worked on a global computer network that had absolutely fuck all to do with the INTERNET.

 


Not every computer network is the INTERNET. The network I managed didn't even use TCP/IP.

DARPANET was not the INTERNET. ARAPNET was not the INTERNET. Those two networks were built using TCP/IP language. But they were not the INTERNET.

Though I believe ARAPNET was rolled into the INTERNET after it came into being.

The INTERNET could not come into being until the NSA gave up their patent on TCP/IP. And that did not happen until Al Gore was Vice-President.

Another important figure in this was Newt Gingrich. He supported Al Gore in the effort to get the NSA to give up their patent. The NSA isn't going to do shit for Democrats. But they will listen to Republicans.

Which is why, during the 2000 election, Al Gore's claims were not just backed by Vinton Cerf, they were also backed by Newt Gingrich.

It's pretty sad when Newt Gingrich supports Al Gore more than DUers.


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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 10:29 AM

24. FYI: ARAPNET users "cerfed", not "surfed", the net because of Vinton Cerf. n/t

 

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Response to a kennedy (Original post)

Thu Jul 17, 2014, 11:01 AM

27. beyond the parsing of words and the lies about his, politicians always take credit

for things that happen while they're in office, especially if they can point to an official act that supported it.

al gore did nothing remotely controversial or unusual in taking credit for making the internet what it became.

virtually everything we heard about it was a direct result of a smear campaign. 99.44% was about whether or not he actually engineered the damn thing, and 0.56%, probably even less, was about the *fact* that the internet owes al gore many huge debts of gratitude for everything he did for it.

reagan took credit for a booming economy, but he didn't sell a single product and personally hired zero new private sector employees (ok, maybe his campaign hired a few). no one ever twists claims like that around, oooh, reagan, how arrogant and laughable, he's claiming he personally sold trillions and hired millions out of his own pocket, what a liar.

because everyone knows that that's what politicians mean when they take credit for something, they're referring to their official acts and leadership and so on, never to the technical accomplishments more directly attributable to others.

only in al gore's case did they gin up a major scandal out of it.

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