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doxydad

(1,363 posts)
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 06:33 AM Jul 2014

Open Carry Texas Schedules New Date For Armed March Through Black Neighborhood

CJ Grisham, the founder of Open Carry Texas, decided to address the criticism his group has encountered regarding this planned march. When the march was first scheduled, Grisham and the group came under intense criticism for a variety of reasons. Even after OCT postponed the march, the group was under fire due to the appearance of racial insensitivity. OCT posted the following late Monday evening on the group’s website:

“We are not going to be marching through 5th Ward,” said OCT Founder CJ Grisham, “we’re going to hopefully be marching with 5th Ward.”

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/07/15/open-carry-texas-schedules-date-armed-march-black-neighborhood.html

Let me break out the old crystal ball here: This ain't gonna end well...

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Open Carry Texas Schedules New Date For Armed March Through Black Neighborhood (Original Post) doxydad Jul 2014 OP
for some strange reason onethatcares Jul 2014 #1
The idiots are getting bolder and bolder, aren't they? SoCalDem Jul 2014 #2
Reminds me of the idiots spewing black smoke from their trucks... polichick Jul 2014 #5
only if onethatcares Jul 2014 #23
They are exactly the same people Warpy Jul 2014 #27
There is going to be problems Gothmog Jul 2014 #3
I recall reading that the Oakland Ca armed police had second thoughts about brutality Hoppy Jul 2014 #4
As soon as it was leftist Black people were arming themselves and carrying openly, Ikonoklast Jul 2014 #21
Whites engaged in genocide in Tulsa, OK in the 1920s RainDog Jul 2014 #6
Thanks for the history. postulater Jul 2014 #8
My family came from France, via Canada RainDog Jul 2014 #10
Beautiful point made with this note in history JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #19
thanks RainDog Jul 2014 #24
what a bunch of racist that they say... open carry march, find a black neighborhood. shows what seabeyond Jul 2014 #7
Aaaah! The Oklahoma Orange Order! postulater Jul 2014 #9
First thing that came to my mind... Wounded Bear Jul 2014 #17
Brandenburg v. Ohio overturned the shouting fire legal premise in 1969. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #25
Remind me, how are the different from the klan? Iggo Jul 2014 #11
The klan wore uniforms and had official titles TheCowsCameHome Jul 2014 #12
Ah, of course. The dunce caps! Iggo Jul 2014 #22
Boy, they sure picked the wrong community to attempt an armed march through! ananda Jul 2014 #13
not much different than burning a cross on their lawns. KittyWampus Jul 2014 #14
Yep. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #30
Guns, legal weapons of terror used by terrorists to terrorize the peaceful PowerToThePeople Jul 2014 #15
Idiots. nt hack89 Jul 2014 #16
I'm waiting for the armed black man march through a white neighborhood KinMd Jul 2014 #18
They probably wouldn't have any. NutmegYankee Jul 2014 #26
Westboro Baptist instructs their people NOT to break any laws, or confront counter-protesters KinMd Jul 2014 #32
March in the OC marchers neighborhoods.... Historic NY Jul 2014 #28
Check your calendars, Open Carry dimwits. Paladin Jul 2014 #20
Lots of racist gun fanciers will support them. Hoyt Jul 2014 #29
Here's what I would love to see. HeiressofBickworth Jul 2014 #31
Now most doors lock automatically KinMd Jul 2014 #33

onethatcares

(16,130 posts)
1. for some strange reason
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 06:35 AM
Jul 2014

I don't think they'd feel well about the 5th Ward showing up in their neighborhoods to march "with" them.

but hey, what do I know?

polichick

(37,152 posts)
5. Reminds me of the idiots spewing black smoke from their trucks...
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 07:21 AM
Jul 2014

It's in your face in a big ugly way.

They can't wait for an excuse to start shooting people all over the place.

onethatcares

(16,130 posts)
23. only if
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 04:56 PM
Jul 2014

they feel threatened in any way.

"But officer, the guy told me I was an asshole for blowing black smoke in his 45K car and I felt threatened by his language. I had to shoot him"

"But officer, he came out of the house carrying an AR15 clone and I wasn't sure if he was going to join us or fire on us, so I opened up first. What's a guy to do?"

Yes, it's getting uglier..

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
27. They are exactly the same people
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 11:08 PM
Jul 2014

The south is especially good at producing these goobers, although you can find them in all 50 states. Other states have managed to shame some manners into them most of the time. The south seems to want to fight another Civil War. The joke would be on them if we let them go.

Gothmog

(143,998 posts)
3. There is going to be problems
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 06:49 AM
Jul 2014

These idiots want to provoke a confrontation where somebody is going to get hurt

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
4. I recall reading that the Oakland Ca armed police had second thoughts about brutality
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 07:11 AM
Jul 2014

when Black Panthers began using open carry to follow police while carrying shotguns.


I can envision the yahoos marching through the 5th., with a line of residents in formation, on the curb holding rifles.

Like another poster said, Autta end well.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
21. As soon as it was leftist Black people were arming themselves and carrying openly,
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 09:51 AM
Jul 2014

scared White people peed their pants and the California legislature quickly passed the Mulford Act in 1967 banning open carry in California, signed by Governor Ronald Reagan with the full support of the NRA.

Seems Republican saint Ronald Reagan loved him some gun control, right along with the NRA, when it was people they didn't like having guns exercising their rights.


THAT'S RIGHT, THE NRA WAS ALL FOR GUN CONTROL WHEN IT WAS BLACK PEOPLE CARRYING THE GUNS.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
6. Whites engaged in genocide in Tulsa, OK in the 1920s
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 07:36 AM
Jul 2014

If this group plans to make this march, the national guard should be called out to surround them as they march because whites have demonstrated a willingness to kill, plunder, and destroy African Americans and their neighborhoods.

This history needs to be known far and wide - the greatest threat to Americans on American soil are white racists. This has been the case since this nation's founding. Apparently the group didn't ask anyone in the neighborhood association if they wanted a massive showing of armed whites walking down the street.

but they did recruit one black guy so they could claim - hey, we're not trying to intimidate African Americans. The guy they recruited has a conviction and cannot carry a weapon anyway - and the guy, the one black guy, the one black guy who has signed on to this, wants a race war, so the link in the OP notes (at Liberaland, with a capture of the guy's statement.)

The Tulsa race riot started by white people began because a woman elevator operator claimed rape when a shoeshine man, who had to use the elevator to get to the rest room facilities he was allowed to use, was jostled by the elevator's sudden stop. The (black) shoeshine man touched the white elevator operator.

The Mayor of the town colluded with white citizens who called for the lynching of Dick Rowland, the shoeshine man. Whites gathered at the jail. Tulsa had a very successful black middle class district - it was called "Black Wall Street." The people who lived there had built their own businesses, homes, and some of them were more successful than whites in Tulsa - many of the white people were KKK members in good standing, and upstanding in their city.

About 70 men from the African American neighborhood went to the jail, with guns, to offer support to the sheriff. He refused. A white man told one of the black men to put down his gun. The black man refused. Shots were exchanged - then more shots. The African American men retrenched in their neighborhood because they had no support from the local law enforcement or governing authorities. Once the shots were fired, the entire incident then became a "negro uprising." ---Because 70 brave men stood against a lynching of an innocent man.

The national guard was called in and used bombers from WWI to BOMB THE AFRICAN AMERICAN NEIGHBORHOOD. Whites looted property in the neighborhood, destroyed more than a thousand buildings... one man, on record, who was a child at the time said he and his siblings hid from the looters in his house by hiding under a bed. One of them stepped on his toe and his sister put her hand over his mouth to keep him from crying out. They ran away after the looters set their house on fire. Other women and children tried to run away and were followed by white men in cars who shot at them as they ran down the streets.

Only two churches in the city opened their doors to African Americans fleeing for their lives. Their church was burned to the ground.

So, yeah, if you see white men with guns headed for an African American neighborhood, it's time to call out the national guard to protect citizens of this nation from the insane white people who live here.

postulater

(5,075 posts)
8. Thanks for the history.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 08:10 AM
Jul 2014

Growing up in a small Wisconsin town in the 50s I always wondered what the racism thing was about.

What helped me understand it more was learning about the history of the Irish in America. I had family that came to the US in the 1840s and know a little bit about their story.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
10. My family came from France, via Canada
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 08:20 AM
Jul 2014

French people who stayed in Nova Scotia were deported back to France by the British after their war - the French didn't want them, either, so those folks ended up settling in Louisiana - but other French settlers didn't stay in Canada and made their way down the rivers - which is why so many towns along the Mississippi and Ohio rivers, etc. have French-cognate names.

Anyway, yeah, white people aren't told about their history of abuse of people.

But we should know because, imo, we see the same sort of thing happening now - this is always the case when economic messes hit the middle and working classes - they turn on each other more often than not.

And, you know, the Irish became "white" because they showed they could be as racist as an English or French person.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
7. what a bunch of racist that they say... open carry march, find a black neighborhood. shows what
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 07:38 AM
Jul 2014

the coward the racists are that when armed and in gang, they immediately look to go to a black neighborhood. fuck if that is not in your face, blatant bigotry. just put on the white robes.

Wounded Bear

(58,436 posts)
17. First thing that came to my mind...
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 09:29 AM
Jul 2014

Demostrations openly designed to be in your face and confrontational have no business being defended under the 1st Amendment. This is not "shouting fire in a crowded theater," this is walking into one with incendiaries.

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
25. Brandenburg v. Ohio overturned the shouting fire legal premise in 1969.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 11:01 PM
Jul 2014

I though would compare this case to National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie.

ananda

(28,781 posts)
13. Boy, they sure picked the wrong community to attempt an armed march through!
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 09:18 AM
Jul 2014

I mean, Fifth Ward Houston?

The people in that area are politically aware and active, very strong,
and do not have a custom of tolerating racism and nonsense.

My thinking: this march will never happen there. It's just a lot
of guff and posturing by a seriously deranged hate group. That
in itself is bad enough, of course.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
15. Guns, legal weapons of terror used by terrorists to terrorize the peaceful
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 09:21 AM
Jul 2014

citizens of this country.

They need to be banned and destroyed.

KinMd

(966 posts)
18. I'm waiting for the armed black man march through a white neighborhood
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 09:35 AM
Jul 2014

..legally armed of course, shouldn't be any problems there

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
26. They probably wouldn't have any.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 11:07 PM
Jul 2014

That the Fred Phelps clan managed to survive their protests makes it highly unlikely anything violent would occur. Police would be very hesitant to act against the law (with cameras rolling) in what would surely result in a major civil rights case against them.

KinMd

(966 posts)
32. Westboro Baptist instructs their people NOT to break any laws, or confront counter-protesters
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 01:49 PM
Jul 2014

that why the SOB's have won lawsuits before

Paladin

(28,202 posts)
20. Check your calendars, Open Carry dimwits.
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 09:48 AM
Jul 2014

It's a little late for attempts at overt, armed racial intimidation. Which is exactly what your little soiree in the Fifth Ward will be.

Find a new venue to show off your assault rifles, facial hair, and shitty clothing. Better yet, stay at home.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
31. Here's what I would love to see.
Thu Jul 17, 2014, 12:34 AM
Jul 2014

As the white men with guns march down the street of a black neighborhood, I'd love to see all of the residents on their front porches pointing and laughing out loud.

It reminds me of an incident from my childhood. One evening, my parents drove us to downtown Seattle (from the suburbs) to go shopping (before malls). In those days, we had to pass through a minority area. As we were stopped at a light, my mother took one look around at the black people, reached behind her and locked her door. The people on the street pointed and laughed at her. I never did know how she felt about that, but even at my young age, I thought it was funny.

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