So are progressives really turning from Obama to embrace Warren? Well...

[Cali_Democrat]

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There's a Washington Post article claiming that progressives are turning from Obama to embrace Warren:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025242021

What empirical evidence does the Washington Post offer in order to support their assertion?

None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

The author offers absolutely no evidence that progressives are turning away from Obama. The fact remains that the base of the party strongly supports both Warren and Obama. They embrace both Warren and Obama.

The MSM is seeking to divide the party in order to benefit the GOP.

Obama's approval rating among liberals and liberal dems has remained consistent throughout his presidency (around 80%) http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx.

Obama actually has a lower approval rating among conservative dems than he does among more liberal members of the Democratic party.

In other words, the base still likes Obama and always has.

The Washington Post article is a little something I like to call ratfucking 101. Write an article claiming there are divisions among dems and leading Democratic politicians. Spread it around prior to the 2014 mid terms and hope some people take the bait. The goal is to get more GOPers in Congress so they can obstruct even more and even block Supreme Court nominees if they get the Senate.

Divide and conquer.

Ratfucking 101.

The MSM is laughing.

Edit:

Also, the author is a known conservative who wrote for the GOP publication NRO.

[mcar]

1. I wonder why the Post thinks we have to choose

I like them both. That article is nothing more than crap. Typical "dems in disarray" garbage.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. Yup...

Divide and conquer...

[Cha]

16. Pure unadultered crap that's meant to stir shit. "Ratfucking 101". They worried about the Midterm

Elections? Carrying water for their precious party of NO?

[blkmusclmachine]

2. Obama is quite likable. It's his policies that tend to really suck.

[NYC Liberal]

5. Liberals support his policies. n/t

[Puzzledtraveller]

9. What you said!

[99Forever]

3. meh.

[Cha]

12. Haha!

[msanthrope]

6. You are damn straight it is ratfucking 101. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

11. Yes

And the author who wrote the article is a conservative who used to write for NRO!!!

Ratfucking 101.

[Nye Bevan]

7. Obviously all of the media would prefer a spirited primary battle to an uncontested coronation.

I think it's more about increasing newspaper sales and viewing figures (or wishful thinking to that end) than attempting to interfere in the political process.

[babylonsister]

18. Corporations have a very vested interest in interfering

in the political process.

[Mass]

8. Consider the author

Robert Costa, a former NRO writer and a conservative.

There are a lot of effort among Gop people to divide Democrats.

Costa is a decent writer, but it is important to understand people's perspective.

[Fearless]

10. Because he can't be elected again?? I felt that was pretty self-explanatory.

So we need to look to the future... but not look to the future. Plan for 2016... But not before we're allowed to. Give me a break. We can support both. Granted I much prefer Elizabeth Warren's anti-corporate stances versus Obama's and Clinton's pro-corporate stances on the TPP for instance. But I digress. No one is allowed to express an opinion contrary to the established politicians or else be shouted down for fear that we'll lose something. Utter nonsense. If you like the former, then support the former. If you like the latter, then support the latter. IF YOU LIKE BOTH THEN SUPPORT BOTH! This is not a real issue here.

[ljm2002]

13. Agreed, it is an obvious framing...

...meant to erode support for the President by implying that the President's support is eroding.

Since President Obama will not be running for re-election, it is not an either/or situation anyway. We can still back Obama while looking forward to consider who the next Democratic candidate will be. It is not disloyal and it does not indicate a lack of support for the current office holder.

[Cha]

14. The WaPo Shit Stirs and they reel 'em in! Nothing in the article about anyone turning

away from Obama .. just their flamebaiting divisive title.

Elizabeth Warren stumped for Alison L Grimes who is to the right of President Obama.. and it's all good.. and the WaPO comes along and states they're turning away from Obama(which is bullshit.. the Wapo would never acknowledge those people who come out for the President).

Elizabeth Warren is an intelligent woman who doesn't go in for division in her Democratic Party.. too bad about some of her fans.

Thank you, Cali!

[Cali_Democrat]

20. Exactly!

[Cha]

21. More ratfucking from the WaPo..

This chart shows why President Obama is going to be a drag on Democrats this fall

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/07/15/this-chart-shows-why-president-obama-is-going-to-be-a-drag-on-democrats-this-fall/

"The fix" is in. They wish.

[Cali_Democrat]

29. Yep. This is wishful thinking

The media is just hoping and wishing that the GOPers do well this fall.

Could they be any more obvious?

[Cha]

35. SOS with them.. nothing changes.

[uponit7771]

31. +1

[jillan]

15. They've been shoving 2016 down our throats since November 2012.

That's all this is.

Yes we love Elizabeth Warren and hope she changes her mind about running for President (or even VP) BUT
that does not take away from our support of President Obama.

The msm can't grasp that. That requires critical thinking and they are too lazy to actually think.

[one_voice]

17. I'm not turning away from Obama...

I still support him. But that doesn't mean I haven't started looking ahead to our possibilities.

I'm thinking you're right on the divide & conquer.

[wyldwolf]

19. empirical evidence is neither needed nor wanted here.

Be gone with your fact checking.

[conservaphobe]

22. Yep. The author, as well as those who share it, are shit stirrers.

Plain and simple.

Don't fall prey to attempts at dividing us.

[treestar]

23. And they know to take advantage of it

It's easy apparently to ratfuck with Democrats. They keep falling for it.

[krawhitham]

24. I embrace Warren but I did not turn away from Obama

I turned away from Hillary

[KittyWampus]

25. Noticed that too. And MoDo slamming Chelsea while jumping on the "Hillary's wealth"

bullsh*t bandwagon has me thinking a lot of this is orchestrated.

Maureen Dowd is just too stupid to realize she's a tool.

[Peacetrain]

26. Oh for the love of Mike..do they think we all just fell off the turnip truck

The republican party is finding themselves in a horrific shambles.. and as the usual MO..they try and push off on our side their failings..

[Half-Century Man]

27. The republican leadership thinks (feels weird linking those words together) that

the the base of the democratic party is a stupid as the base of the republican party.
If we were that stupid, we would be republicans.

[Peacetrain]

32. Amen to that..

[Bobbie Jo]

33. What I find amazing

are those (presumably on our side) who fall all over themselves to help them in this effort.

[Peacetrain]

34. Oh I have seen that happen before

many times..

[Warren Stupidity]

28. the whole concept is bullshit.

[NCTraveler]

30. The author of that article couldn't back up his own assertion.

Doesn't mean people won't fawn over it as if it had been proven by science.

[Hekate]

36. Kick, Rec, and keep up the good work Cali_Democrat.

I can't believe the gullibility of some here.

Hekate
No, my ballot for 2016 is not yet filled in

[lonestarnot]

37. They will stop at nothing.

[greatlaurel]

38. The divide and conquer efforts have been in use since they lost the last election.

We see it on this site regularly, it is really sad how some people fall for it. Divide and conquer and the voter suppression and vote machine hacking is all the GOP has. Their base is shrinking very quickly.

[spanone]

39. k&r...

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. I fear the media's divide & conquer strategy may actually work against EW.

I'm a Democrat, and I support the Democratic administration. Of course, Obama's been a Democrat his entire life, whereas some others.....