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Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:04 PM

Robert Reich on today's SC decision...

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Robert Reich

The five Republicans appointees to the Supreme Court extended their view that corporations are people in today’s the “Hobby Lobby” case, finding that family-owned companies have freedom of religion and so don’t have to comply with the Affordable Care Act’s requirement to include contraceptive services in employee health insurance. What about the rights of employees to receive these services? According to the Court’s majority, the federal government should just pay for these services directly. “The most straightforward way of doing this would be for the Government to assume the cost of providing the four contraceptives at issue to any women who are unable to obtain them under their health-insurance policies due to their employers’ religious objections.” In other words, the five Republican appointees to the Court suggest the government establish a single-payer plan for contraceptive services. Remarkable.

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Reply Robert Reich on today's SC decision... (Original post)
babylonsister Jun 2014 OP
Skittles Jun 2014 #1
rurallib Jun 2014 #7
Soylent Brice Jun 2014 #11
abelenkpe Jun 2014 #2
LoisB Jun 2014 #12
Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #3
jtuck004 Jun 2014 #4
azureblue Jun 2014 #6
jtuck004 Jun 2014 #14
Dirty Socialist Jun 2014 #16
jtuck004 Jul 2014 #17
rickyhall Jun 2014 #9
jtuck004 Jun 2014 #15
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2014 #22
YOHABLO Jun 2014 #5
Distant Quasar Jul 2014 #23
quadrature Jun 2014 #8
BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #10
Thor_MN Jun 2014 #13
freshwest Jul 2014 #18
freshwest Jul 2014 #19
lonestarnot Jul 2014 #20
IrishAyes Jul 2014 #21
7962 Jul 2014 #24

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:18 PM

1. I think those five misogynistic bastards may have just cooked themselves

Mr. Reich is indeed correct - they just affirmed WHY we need single-payer

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:07 PM

7. yep - and I hope this one backfires bigtime

99% of American women have used or are using birth control. I hope they understand what this means and vote accordingly

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:51 PM

11. *fingers crossed*

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:36 PM

2. We need to do away with employer based

Healthcare. Single payer would solve this and so many other problems.

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:59 PM

12. Indeed. Medicare for All.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:44 PM

3. All we have to do is retake the house, keep the senate, pass an amendment

 

eliminating all private funding of elections, pack the court with another 2 justices, pass another amendment clearly spelling out that corporations are NOT PEOPLE, and undo the last 34 years (or perhaps 38) of neoliberal idiocy.

Piece of fucking cake.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:49 PM

4. And we will still have 50 million people in poverty. n/t

 

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:01 PM

6. so when do propose we start fixing the mess the GOP made of this country

when it is convenient for you?

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Response to azureblue (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:01 PM

14. Fixing it is different from pandering to a bunch of stupid actions that won't

 

fix jack shit. Unless one's standards are incredibly low.

Because that doesn't do a fucking thing to fix the damage of the last 40 years, and as soon as all that is done, regardless of how good it is, not a fucking thing is going to change, regardless of how many self-important weak-brained smart-mouth jackasses think so.

We will still need an investment of over $50 trillion in pure factory upgrades, an upgrade to the now clearly insufficient education that tens of millions of adults have, and NONE of that does anything to bring back the lives or health of the 7 million FAMILIES who were foreclosed on, or the 9 million loans that are underwater, and it doesn't do a fucking thing to bring back the over 20 million decent jobs we are now short.

So do you have solutions or just useless snark?

Never mind - I'll just put you on ignore, doesn't look like you have much else to offer.



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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:10 PM

16. Turning Back The Neoliberal Crap Could

Lift many out of poverty. Funding education and infrastructure would help too.

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Response to Dirty Socialist (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:54 AM

17. Certainly. But that means HUGE investment, something I would bet this

 

county is too short-sighted to do like it did a hundred years ago. We are in such a deep fucking hole that we are paying out over a $trillion a year to banks just to try and keep the housing market from tanking. There are still likely trillions in phonied up money hidden by the actions of the federal reserve and banks, we have perhaps 10-15 million perfectly able yet permanently unemployed people who should be working and never will, and perhaps 100 million with jobs that cannot sustain any kind of normal life, with no hope of that ever changing. There are 9 million home loans on homes that are no longer worth what they loans are written for. And this administration will end with more people consigned to being working poor than any presidency in decades.

Assuming everything got change to perfect today, there is such serious, long-term systemic damage it would still take at least a decade, probably two, to even begin to make a noticeable dent in those numbers, unless one's standards and hopes have been beaten so low now that even 2 or 3 would seem like a fucking miracle, or unless they are one of the marketing or cheerleader types. They always seem to get a thrill no matter what.

The biggest challenge is that Americans have been taught by the last 4 generations of politicians that there is no good in the long term and that profits are more important than people. And with a whole country acting like that, like they do today, you might as well try pissing up a rope in a windstorm, because the more you try invest in the sizable numbers that will be needed, the more resistance you are likely to face from the very people who you "think" you are helping.

Remember Normandy? Thousands of men poured off boats knowing for a FACT they were about to die, and did so perhaps because they thought death was a better alternative than slavery. They KNEW the benefit was going to accrue, not to them, but to someone else, the ultimate sacrifice. That's what it takes to win any war.

We are at war with these bastards, but this side, the one with 300+ million people, is not only NOT storming the beach, we are watching cable. We show no sign of getting up, either, as long as we can have it.

And until we address that particular deficit it won't matter who is voted into where, we will at best just delay the end for a while longer.



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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:28 PM

9. Seems that's what Warren is saying. Reverse what the psychos have done.

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Response to rickyhall (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:07 PM

15. None of that reverses anything. All the scores of trillions of dollars lost in the past 4 decades

 

is not going to be made up by any of that stuff. All that does is set the stage, but it will be decades before you see the results, and that's assuming the next election doesn't change anything.

Wave your hand - pretend all of that is done today. Not a thing has changed, and you will need to write a government check for, say, $50 trillion, just to get started rebuilding what has been lost. That will take decades.

So what that it leaves us with is tens of millions of people going info their 50's and above with not jack shit for a future they can count on, and an increasing likelihood that they will live in poverty sometime during the rest of their lives, because nothing will be changed fast enough to prevent it.

That's assuming all the above came true. It won't.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:34 PM

22. I've read you postings in this sub-thread ...

 

and all I get from it is REVOLUTION!!! ... with no plan.

Help me ... what am I missing?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:57 PM

5. Employer based / insurance based is what is wrong. Single payer is the only way to go. Tell the

 

health insurance companies to go to hell.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:29 PM

23. Too bad the Dems went all out to preserve the employer-based system

Now we're stuck with it. This absurd situation is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:13 PM

8. why are employers the enemy?

 

simple solution to this.
just make BC free.

everybody wins.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:49 PM

10. Yes, a lot of progress has been happening thanks to the christofascists getting more extreme.

And no thanks to CorpoMediaMonkeys....

Thank you innertoobz!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:08 PM

13. Will corporations get bored with the First and start looking at the Second?

 

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 03:22 AM

18. That just blows me away:

According to the Court’s majority, the federal government should just pay for these services directly.

“The most straightforward way of doing this would be for the Government to assume the cost of providing the four contraceptives at issue to any women who are unable to obtain them under their health-insurance policies due to their employers’ religious objections.”

In other words, the five Republican appointees to the Court suggest the government establish a single-payer plan for contraceptive services. Remarkable.


Well, if they said that, I will put the pitchforks back in the barn. The torches, however, will stay lit for a while to expose the Kochroaches.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 03:23 AM

19. P. S. My blood pressure just went down. Thanks, babylonsister!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 11:58 AM

20. Idiots! Instead of single payer in the first fucking place!

 

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:50 PM

21. A journey of a thousand miles begins.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:28 PM

24. Off the rails I go!! Corporations ARE people.

 

You cannot have a corporation without people. A corporation can be punished. It can be fined. PEOPLE can be put in jail. A corporation has rights. They can make decisions. Etc Etc. ALL of this requires PEOPLE. I've never seen a faceless entity moving down the street that was a corporation. I have seen a Board of Directors and a CEO who were.
If you take away the people, there is no more corporation.
Except maybe in the Matrix.

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