Clinic Violence is Real

[redqueen]

https://www.prochoice.org

[Uncle Joe]

1. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, redqueen.

[warrant46]

15. New Opportunity --For Catlick Nut Jobs to attack women

Emboldened by a free shot by a Corrupt Supreme Court



Christendom College’s pro-life student group, Shield of Roses, held its largest pro-life prayer protest of the semester in front of the Planned Parenthood clinic located on 16th Street in Washington, D.C..

“Saturdays are big days for the abortion industry,” says Admissions Director Tom McFadden who traveled with the group for “Mega-Shield.” “I am always so proud of our students who travel the hour and a half every Saturday to prayerfully protest this crime against humanity, and especially pleased to see so many, over 25% of our on-campus student body, take part in the Shield of Roses ‘Mega-Shields’ each semester.”

Hundreds of screaming Taliborn again Catlicks shoving disgusting photos in the faces of women going to medical appointments.



The only thing missing are the hoods

http://christendom.edu/chronicler2012/latest/files/fedc236df5adf4cf67914f5d40dc19ca-75.php

[freshwest]

18. Running the gauntlet for healthcare like girls trying to go to school under the Taliban.

Exact same atmosphere, and they know it. Yet they complain about Sharia Law? Have they taken a look in the mirror lately?



Thanks for the visual evidence. On a more serious note, as if this isn't bad enough. Coming to all blue states soon with the expansion of the Hobby Lobby nationally, buying up schools, businesses, etc.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10823259

If people don't want to read the entire thread with its links, at least go and look at this:

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/27/hobby_lobbys_secret_agenda_how_its_secretly_funding_a_vast_right_wing_movement/

[sheshe2]

22. The votes from

Kagan Ginsburg and Sotomayor bother me. They both me a lot freshwest.

[iandhr]

2. All of the Democratic candidates for Governor of Mass...

have been extremely vocal to there opposition to the SCOTUS decision.

[joeybee12]

3. KNR...the 1% SCOTUS has spoken...because when one of their own

has an abortion, they'll go somewhere safe and secure...who cares about what "ordinary" people have to endure.

Oh, and by their own, I don't mean those 9...the ones within the 1% in this country who apparently bought and paid for the SCOTUS.

[littlemissmartypants]

4. Kicking. nt

[daleanime]

5. K&R....

[jeff47]

6. But justice Roberts assures us they only want to converse with their fellow citizens. (nt)

[ReRe]

7. K&R

It's legalized harassment, period. And since it is, I think a woman should be allowed a police escort to and from the clinic, if she feels threatened. She should wear sunglasses and earplugs.

[bullwinkle428]

8. When "respected journalists" say things like "Tiller the baby killer", what

could possibly be so difficult for people to comprehend when it comes to making provisions for the safety of clinic employees and their patients?

K&R.

[Grey]

9. K&R

[SoapBox]

10. K'd & R'd

[Stargazer09]

11. Agreed

I don't understand why women are not allowed their rights to freedom from harassment.

[redqueen]

16. It's kind of a pattern in societies all over the world.

Less so in Nordic countries, and improving in some others. Unfortunately in some (like here), things are getting worse.

[alp227]

12. I have an idea of how to get right wingers to back buffer zones.

Simple. When a Muslim bombs an abortion clinic, then the right wing freaks will suddenly realize that the pro-choicers were right all along.

[Cleita]

14. Why does it have to be a Muslim and not any miscreant bombing the clinic?

We need some law with teeth in them charging anyone who threatens and endangers any women and workers at these clinics. Lots of jail time, fines and felony charges might make many of these "protesters" think twice about doing harmful deeds.

[alp227]

17. Right wingers have no sympathy for the victims of abortion clinic terrorism,

especially since guys like Scott Roeder used conservative Christian ideology to justify their killings. Hell, South Dakota even proposed making it justifiable homicide to kill abortion doctors! But then, if a Muslim bombed an abortion clinic "in the name of life", see how much integrity those right wingers have.

[DonCoquixote]

35. Because (warning offensive but true)

Because in the eyes of the right wing, a problem is not really a problem until someone they like dies of it. Remember how AIDS was God's judgement? Remember how little was done about crack until white kids starting doing it? If something kills people the Right wing dislikes, they see it as a desirable goal and benefit. A DESIRABLE GOAL.

However, once someone else exploits this that could be a rival to their power, then they care. Remember how at first the GOP all acted like they cared about NYC? How long did it take for Ann Coulter to make her comment about "the only thing they did wrong was not bomb the New York Times?"

This is about aboprtion, but it is also about an even bigger issue. America, thanks to the fact it was founded by a bunch of people who interpreted John Calvin as saying "poor people deserve to suffer", Americans LOVE to see pain and suffering inflicted upon people they feel are rivals. For all the talk of Jesus, this is really pure Darwin, mixed in with some Ayn Rand. That is why protests against the right wing have to take on a coercive nature. They have to know that the days of appealing to them to see us a human beings with rights is over, they need to know that we will go for their wallet.

Note I did not say throat, because as appealing as violence is, it will only play right into their martyr mentality. The God of Abraham, whther in his Jaizuzz Kreist costume, or his "Allu Akhbar" costume, makes religious codes that encourage death and suffering, with a shiny reward in heaven. We do not want to make it easier for them to put on that "martyred saint" costume, because it will shut their eyes, ears, and make them immune to reason.

Religion is about inflating and preserving the EGO, and the only way to cut these folks down is to cut that ego down to size, which means to impoverish and humiliate! That is why we need to start making the people who keep feeding the till box humilated for feedign the priests and preachers. That is why we need to make our own chairties and our own private schools to compete with the religions. Yes, I would rather there be no charter schools at all, but until then, we need to make environments where children do not need to learn to kiss Christian ass to get an education. We need to actively SUE churches, and yes, even bring out the RICO statutes that brought the Mafia down low. Unless the Churches are actively discouraging violence, they are encouraging it, and need to be held accountable!

[me b zola]

13. K&R

[redqueen]

19. kick

[niyad]

20. k and r with great disgust that this continues to be an issue in the 21st century, and that the

woman-haters are getting more arrogant, more violent, not even attempting to hide their true agendas any more.

[Babel_17]

21. My question for The Supremes

Does this mean it's ok for "dirty hippies" to go up to disabled veterans, who fought in the Middle East, at their treatment centers, and question their service? Can they ask them to join in protests against the wars their comrades still fight?

Can a Scientologist now stake out the psychiatrist offices, and mental health clinics, that treat the disturbed and try to get them to give up their medication and treatment?

Different laws, or at least different applications of enforcement, for women seeking reproductive rights, is my guess.

There's the free speech of the public forum, and then there's stalking. And, imo, waiting in ambush is a form of stalking.

Free speech, imo, wasn't put into the Constitution for a rootless mob, with endless time, to harass individuals*. War criminals with money can float above it all and stay within their sphere of privilege; but women of limited means, they just have to suck it up.

Money isn't just speech, it's the ability to stay at a remove from the censure of others.

*And yeah, that works both ways. I'm not thrilled when right wingers get targeted by screaming hecklers who go beyond the bounds of a civil society.

[redqueen]

23. I suspect that, just like always,

it will take women being physically hurt or killed before anything is done.

[sufrommich]

25. Which is why buffer zones were legislated in the first place.

Round and round we go.

[DonCoquixote]

32. i'll see that and raise you one

Not only will it take that, but whoever is the first to be killed will be used as a shameless propaganmda tool by the right to intimidate, in the same vein/strain as "Don't be that girl."

"see how that bad girl Jenny got killed on the news, you do not want to be her, right? Just have the baby, especially since we at the church already have a nice bunch of church going parents ready to raise that lovely white baby of yours."

[etherealtruth]

34. I doubt women being physically hurt or killed will motivate them

Women have been assaulted; abortion providers have been killed .... yet no appreciable action

(just posting to give a K and R)

[forthemiddle]

29. "Does this mean it's ok for "dirty hippies" to go up to disabled veterans

who fought in the Middle East, at their treatment centers, and question their service? Can they ask them to join in protests against the wars their comrades still fight?"


The answer to the above is Yes. Just as that Kansas Church can protest military funerals, or like the Unions can protest in Madison, WI Act 10, and Walker, and all the other protests there are throughout the Country every year.

I know this is an emotional subject, and I know it sucks that the Supremes don't follow their own ruling with their "buffer zone", but on public property (sidewalks, State Capitals, roads outside Cemeteries, people do get to protest what they don't like, and they can't be held 35 feet away. I think the 10 foot, Colorado law is still allowable, as that was deemed as reasonable.

If protesters start touching, shoving, spitting, etc then the police can still be called.

[Babel_17]

36. Ok, but there's a difference, afaik

Protesting at a funeral is not the same as going up to a grieving family member. And Governor Walker is a government official, presumably on the clock, who is answerable to the public for his actions.

I get your point, and that's why I included "at their treatment centers".

That's not the public forum, getting treatment is a private thing, as I see it.

If women going into clinics have to be open to being bothered, if we must uphold some definition that The Supremes can see, then this is just a case of less rights for those with less means, power, and influence.

Our laws can be flexible, as The Supremes should know, given what's been allowed to government on their watch. Presumably the fabric of The Constitution that holds our nation together hasn't been destroyed.

[Squinch]

24. That's already happened to the doctors, and the little protection they had has been taken away.

[MoonRiver]

26. Now it will be 100%.

Thanks SCOTUS, NOT.

[CaptainTruth]

27. Pepper spray

Any woman who feels threatened should be able to defend herself. In my opinion, if protesting wacos get too close & too threatening they should get a face full of pepper spray.

[freebrew]

28. +1...nt

[BlancheSplanchnik]

30. nice in theory, but when women try to protect themselves,

They're usually the one to get in legal trouble. For assault, etc.

It would be good if the were local groups organizing counter protests like those protecting people against the Westboro Baptist Maniacs.

[DonCoquixote]

31. Hey Pope Francis!

Here is a time to earn some real lib cred. How about making an edicty that those who use violence against abortion providers and clients are guilty of mortal sin?

[Enthusiast]

33. Kicked and recommended!

[nomorenomore08]

37. Kick...

[Mc Mike]

38. Rec. Thanks, Red. Nt.