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Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:46 AM

 

New Statesman : Why Elizabeth Warren should take on Hillary Clinton and run for the US presidency

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/06/why-elizabeth-warren-should-take-hillary-clinton-and-run-us-presidency


Simply by running, Warren will drag the centrist Clinton to the left and put the causes she cares about financial reform, fairer taxes, income inequality at the centre of the 2016 presidential election.


I do really hope EW will change her mind, and try to show up onj next presidential primaries. Because, she's is JUST A REAL FIGHTER OF CORPORATION, unlike, Hillary and her husband, who had always allied with them when it suited their personal promotion and agenda.
I think Dems are majority hoping for Hillary because her candidacy remembers sweeter era when economy was growing and job were created. But please, wake up folks. The world has changed. And Hillary will just pursue a system which is deadly broken.

GO LIZ!!!!!

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Reply New Statesman : Why Elizabeth Warren should take on Hillary Clinton and run for the US presidency (Original post)
mylye2222 Jun 2014 OP
Schema Thing Jun 2014 #1
warrior1 Jun 2014 #2
mylye2222 Jun 2014 #4
Dawgs Jun 2014 #16
krawhitham Jun 2014 #48
kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #49
beachbum bob Jun 2014 #3
mylye2222 Jun 2014 #6
whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #9
totodeinhere Jun 2014 #28
beachbum bob Jun 2014 #33
Logical Jun 2014 #31
Marr Jun 2014 #36
Dragonfli Jun 2014 #45
grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #55
cantbeserious Jun 2014 #5
beachbum bob Jun 2014 #41
cantbeserious Jun 2014 #42
lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #7
cantbeserious Jun 2014 #43
lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #51
pscot Jun 2014 #8
Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #10
djean111 Jun 2014 #12
Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #14
mylye2222 Jun 2014 #17
Armstead Jun 2014 #67
truedelphi Jun 2014 #30
rhett o rick Jun 2014 #58
djean111 Jun 2014 #59
rhett o rick Jun 2014 #61
djean111 Jun 2014 #63
rhett o rick Jun 2014 #64
Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #11
bahrbearian Jun 2014 #13
PoliticAverse Jun 2014 #54
rickyhall Jun 2014 #15
djean111 Jun 2014 #18
truebluegreen Jun 2014 #20
rickyhall Jun 2014 #37
joshcryer Jun 2014 #19
FiggyJay Jun 2014 #21
MineralMan Jun 2014 #22
marble falls Jun 2014 #23
mulsh Jun 2014 #24
freebrew Jun 2014 #25
TheNutcracker Jun 2014 #26
freebrew Jun 2014 #34
KoKo Jun 2014 #27
truedelphi Jun 2014 #29
Walk away Jun 2014 #32
Enthusiast Jun 2014 #35
Dragonfli Jun 2014 #46
Enthusiast Jun 2014 #47
riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #38
Vincardog Jun 2014 #39
Overseas Jun 2014 #40
Kablooie Jun 2014 #44
freshwest Jun 2014 #50
WillyT Jun 2014 #52
RandySF Jun 2014 #53
Scuba Jun 2014 #56
Reter Jun 2014 #57
Mnpaul Jun 2014 #65
Reter Jun 2014 #66
Mnpaul Jun 2014 #69
KamaAina Jun 2014 #60
AzDar Jun 2014 #62
NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #68

Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:47 AM

1. my thoughts exactly

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:48 AM

2. Senator Elizabeth Warren has said more than once that she is not running.

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:50 AM

4. Yes, and Hillary said in a post-2008 interview,

 

that she wouldn't seek the WH again, too....

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:32 AM

16. And that's why people say that they hope she changes her mind.

 

Just because she said she isn't running doesn't mean we still can't wish for it. Or, doesn't mean we can't push her to change her mind.

Although, I guess if I was a Hillary supporter I sure would want people to shut up about it.

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:23 PM

48. So has Hillary

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:26 PM

49. I like her a lot but she let me see something during her interview with Chris Matthews.

 

He was rude and crude but she didn't do a good job of answering his questions and speaking to the larger issues. She is all about thwarting big banks and big financial issues especially as they relate to students and some middle income. She seems to be really light on foreign affairs, not inexperienced but just not interested. And some of her history with some social issues are not impressive to me as a democrat. I still thing she would be a great person to run the consumer protection agency but not President.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:49 AM

3. why do you want to hand the presidency to the GOP

 

get your head out of the fantasy....unless you really dont care if we have a repeat of the Bush/Cheney years

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:50 AM

6. I just care of not having a corporade Dem as president, who

 

will repeatedly give golden gifts to the RW.

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:59 AM

9. AFAICT those years aren't much different than these years

With the notable exception of the ACA.

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 01:28 PM

28. Any major Democrat including Warren should have no trouble beating

whatever Bozo the Republicans put up.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 02:41 PM

33. you are so wrong...warren and any democrat that can branded batshit crazy liberal will LOSE

 

quit thinking like a nader supporter....we know how that worked out for america don't we?

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 02:15 PM

31. I agree, Hillary is a terrible choice. She will lose badly! n-t

 

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 03:51 PM

36. Help me out here-- which of them has already lost a presidential primary? /nt

 

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Response to Marr (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:05 PM

45. After all her financial hardships, perhaps she will get the pity vote /nt

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 08:23 AM

55. Heard that about 2008

 

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:50 AM

5. Nominating HRC Would Be A Throwback To The 90s

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:13 PM

41. and the 90's was a pretty good decade for america

 

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #41)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:38 PM

42. And Planted Many Seeds Of Destruction Now Afflicting The 99%

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:56 AM

7. Warren isn't running, and she made very clear if Hillary runs she will support her. The only way

you can vote for Elizabeth Warren is if you live in Mass.

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Response to lostincalifornia (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:39 PM

43. Write In Ballot Still Exists In Many States

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #43)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:08 AM

51. Then go for it

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:57 AM

8. K&R

The Repukes offer a full menu of insanity, from far right to full-moon barking mad. Democrats hug the center right. That may be sound electoral strategy but it plays right into the hands of the One Percenters.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:04 AM

10. The National Debate between the two would be well worth it

for the nation

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:18 AM

12. The debate would be good, but any dragging of Hillary to the left would be just for show.

 

I believe this is why there seems to be a concerted effort to squash any primary - just anoint the one-percenter chosen one, so there won't be all those inconvenient YouTubes of Hillary pretending to be what used to be a Democrat.
Will there be a "Vote for Hillary - the Lesser of two Evils" bumper sticker? Because that seems to be the meme nowadays.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:23 AM

14. Today Salon has an article on Hillary's fake populism

Hillary Clinton forgets the 90s: Our latest gilded age and our latest phony populists
The gilded age Clinton now laments had its roots in the dark side of Bill's economic record. So why trust her now?

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/22/hillary_clinton_forgets_the_90s_our_latest_gilded_age_and_our_latest_phony_populists/

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:35 AM

17. +1000000000000000000000..................................

 

She is NOT TRUSTWORTHLY TO ME absolutely not!


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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:37 AM

67. You should post that as an OP -- It hits the nail right on the head

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 02:13 PM

30. That is it in a nutshell, djean111

Any dragging of Hillary to the left would be just for show.

We saw a 62 - to 64% turnout for one Barack Obama back in November 2008.

This happened because people felt like he would make a difference.

By 2012, the writing was on the wall, and only 54% of all eligible voters turned out.

From tabling here in Lake County Calif., believe me, the turnout in 2016 will be pathetic if we only get a choice between Corporatist from Party A or Corporatist from Party B.

i was not allowed to talk to people while I tabled. But people told me that the idea that voting for the "lesser of two evils" made them ill, and was permanently turning them off politics.

The meme might as well be "You peons can't make a difference, so just shut up and vote for the Dems as they smile more than the Republicans while they screw you over."

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Response to djean111 (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:44 AM

58. I think HRC has made her choice. She knows the left is lost to her. She has to try

 

to woo the disgruntled Republicans in the Lieberman/Goldman-Sachs-O-Money Wing of the Party. A primary fight with Sen Warren would be very difficult for HRC. To win the Lieberman/Goldman-Sachs Wing she must denounce the left.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #58)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 03:20 PM

59. How sad - someone running as a "Democrat" who concedes she has lost the Left.

 

Yeah, we need a third party, was was Democrat is now Republican, and what was Republican is now batshit crazy, mean, and greedy. The Dem party is just more polite.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #59)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 06:50 PM

61. I do not agree we need a third party. We need to take back control of our Democratic Party

 

from the big corporate control, like Goldman-Sachs.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #61)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 07:08 PM

63. I agree with you in spirit, but in practice, Wall Street owns the Democratic party,

 

and ain't giving it back any time soon.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #63)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 08:01 PM

64. But nothing would make the oligarchs happier than to splinter off the left into a third party.

 

If we can get our party back, we are lost.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:17 AM

11. Though I can appreciate supporting Democratic candidates in upcoming elections there is a time we

need to reflect on placing positive thoughts on all possible candidates and we do not need to continue to produce negative information on any of the candidates. It can have negative thoughts placed towards the candidate you may be trying to elevate.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:23 AM

13. Maybe it'll get Hillary to state she has some comfortable shoes.

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:11 AM

54. lol. n/t

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:27 AM

15. I read the same thing about Rand Paul

That if he gets the nomination it might drive the Dem. candidate to the left.

I have no link because I don't remember where I read it. Sorry.

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Response to rickyhall (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:45 AM

18. "it might drive the Dem. candidate to the left"

 

If the candidate is Hillary, it would just be temporary parking.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:07 PM

20. DUzy! for "temporary parking." nt

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 04:27 PM

37. Yup

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:53 AM

19. Warren, Sanders, Reich, they should all run.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:18 PM

21. Please reconsider Liz!

I don't think that anybody who was in favor of going to war with Iraq should be allowed to run for President. Also, anybody who is friends with Don Tyson, the chicken torturer, does not have my vote. I could go on and on......

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:26 PM

22. Shortly after the November, 2014 elections, people will

announce their candidacy. Until then, nobody will. Once candidates appear and announce, we'll be able to promote the ones we like.

GOTV 2014!

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:31 PM

23. She's got my vote and I haven't volunteered for a campaign since McGovern, but I am ready.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:37 PM

24. Ms. Warren is not running. I believe she's bright enough not to take this or any other bait.

Should she ever decide to run for President I would vote for her. I hope she makes that decision after at least one full term as a Senator. It would enable her to learn more fully how to negotiate the labyrinth that is Washington.

I think that like Ted Kennedy she can probably be more beneficial to more people as a senator than as a president. If she never runs for any higher office we will at least have the benefit of her senatorial career. Even people like me who don't live in her district. I also think she would make a fine president. I hope I get the chance to vote for her someday.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:39 PM

25. I really hope she doesn't.

She has a lifetime of good she can do as a senator.
As president, she may have 4 years, if she's lucky.
The RWNJs will not stand for a 'left-leaning' POTUS.

They(RWNJ) still have the power in government.
They control the CIA, NSA and Cheney's secret government.
You didn't think that went away w/Obama's election did you?

I would like Sen. Warren to have a long and useful position in government.
That will not happen if she runs for the presidency.

I honestly fear for her life if she does. Too much history to ignore.

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Response to freebrew (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:58 PM

26. She can lose and remain in the senate as John Kerry did. Running, we can have a real conversation.

 

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Response to TheNutcracker (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 03:02 PM

34. I can see that...

it would certainly start a conversation in the right direction.

I hope her the best whatever she decides.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 01:02 PM

27. Recommend!

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 02:07 PM

29. Applause from my household for your OP. n/t

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 02:31 PM

32. All republicans and 80% of DUers agree!

That's why I'm saving up my membership money for the general election so that I can donate it to who ever is the Democratic candidate.
I actually want to help my party win the presidency.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 03:42 PM

35. Elizabeth Warren should take on Hillary and pound the shit out of her.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #35)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:19 PM

46. Hillary runs dirty, she will attempt to savage Elizabeth Warren

It's a good thing she can take it! The good news is Hillary's supporters are all big time bankers and there are not many of them so it is a small voting block. She does have a lot of banking groupies among third way Dems however which will guarantee some really viscous attacks on Warren that will backfire just like the racist shit she pulled backfired last time big money ran her.

It would be the primary of Goldman Sachs vs those that hate big money crooks (the 99%). They have the money but that is all they have and $$$ does not translate into likability.

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #46)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:21 PM

47. Her dirty attacks against Obama are what really turned me against her.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 04:30 PM

38. Yup. And so should Bernie Sanders. We need more liberal progressive voices "out there" K&R

 

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 05:59 PM

39. I do not believe that "Dems are majority hoping for Hillary" I think the Majority of Dems

are having her forced down their throats as the "inevitable" candidate. We saw how that worked out last time. On the issues HRC is WAY to the corporate side against the majority
of American's wishes. The last thing we need is another Clinton pushing the same pro Corporate policies that have decimate the World economy for the last 30 years.

GO LIZ!!!!!

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:01 PM

40. K&R. Yes please!

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:49 PM

44. It would be better if she ran after Citizen's United was overturned.

While it's still in play, just about all corporate campaign money would be given to Warren's opponent no matter who it is.
She might have a difficult time building up a competing campaign budget.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:35 PM

50. I want Warren, Sanders, whoever, to run just as Clinton is running and DEBATE everything!

The primaries need to be open to all, and the debate forums need to be run by IMPARTIAL moderators, like the League of Women Voters. The Presidential Debate Corporation (or whoever it was) that decided who would be invited to debates is the worst idea ever!

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:09 AM

52. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

 




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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:01 AM

53. We're not going to stop beating this dead horse, are we?

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:38 AM

56. It's not good enough to just move Hillary's rhetoric to the left, only to have her govern ....

 

... from the right.

We need Elizabeth, or some other progressive in the White House, not another neo-con dressed as a Democrat.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:40 AM

57. Around 6 months ago, Warren endorsed Clinton for 2016

 

Clinton would use that against her in the primaries.

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Response to Reter (Reply #57)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:08 PM

65. That's funny

one month ago Warren said "she wasn't there yet" regarding an endorsement of Clinton.

I think you are seeing things that aren't really there.

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Response to Mnpaul (Reply #65)

Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:28 AM

66. She said otherwise in October

 

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Response to Reter (Reply #66)

Tue Jun 24, 2014, 01:54 PM

69. Urging Clinton to run

Is a far cry from endorsing her.

It is not hard to see why Warren is hesitant to endorse her campaign.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 03:23 PM

60. Replace "Warren" with "Sanders" and "she" with "he"

 

Simply by running, Sanders will drag the centrist Clinton to the left and put the causes he cares about financial reform, fairer taxes, income inequality at the centre of the 2016 presidential election.

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 07:01 PM

62. K & R

 

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Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

Tue Jun 24, 2014, 10:52 AM

68. I think she should stay in the Senate. We NEED Democrats in Congress.

Besides, if Hillary runs then I do not believe Warren will run. The two are not the mortal enemies DU likes to make them out to be.

At any rate, if she does run then I will be supporting Hillary.

GO HILLARY!!!!

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