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mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:46 AM Jun 2014

New Statesman : Why Elizabeth Warren should take on Hillary Clinton and run for the US presidency

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/06/why-elizabeth-warren-should-take-hillary-clinton-and-run-us-presidency


Simply by running, Warren will drag the centrist Clinton to the left and put the causes she cares about – financial reform, fairer taxes, income inequality – at the centre of the 2016 presidential election.


I do really hope EW will change her mind, and try to show up onj next presidential primaries. Because, she's is JUST A REAL FIGHTER OF CORPORATION, unlike, Hillary and her husband, who had always allied with them when it suited their personal promotion and agenda.
I think Dems are majority hoping for Hillary because her candidacy remembers sweeter era when economy was growing and job were created. But please, wake up folks. The world has changed. And Hillary will just pursue a system which is deadly broken.

GO LIZ!!!!!

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New Statesman : Why Elizabeth Warren should take on Hillary Clinton and run for the US presidency (Original Post) mylye2222 Jun 2014 OP
my thoughts exactly Schema Thing Jun 2014 #1
Senator Elizabeth Warren has said more than once that she is not running. warrior1 Jun 2014 #2
Yes, and Hillary said in a post-2008 interview, mylye2222 Jun 2014 #4
And that's why people say that they hope she changes her mind. Dawgs Jun 2014 #16
So has Hillary krawhitham Jun 2014 #48
I like her a lot but she let me see something during her interview with Chris Matthews. kelliekat44 Jun 2014 #49
why do you want to hand the presidency to the GOP beachbum bob Jun 2014 #3
I just care of not having a corporade Dem as president, who mylye2222 Jun 2014 #6
AFAICT those years aren't much different than these years whatchamacallit Jun 2014 #9
Any major Democrat including Warren should have no trouble beating totodeinhere Jun 2014 #28
you are so wrong...warren and any democrat that can branded batshit crazy liberal will LOSE beachbum bob Jun 2014 #33
I agree, Hillary is a terrible choice. She will lose badly! n-t Logical Jun 2014 #31
Help me out here-- which of them has already lost a presidential primary? /nt Marr Jun 2014 #36
After all her financial hardships, perhaps she will get the pity vote /nt Dragonfli Jun 2014 #45
Heard that about 2008 grahamhgreen Jun 2014 #55
Nominating HRC Would Be A Throwback To The 90s cantbeserious Jun 2014 #5
and the 90's was a pretty good decade for america beachbum bob Jun 2014 #41
And Planted Many Seeds Of Destruction Now Afflicting The 99% cantbeserious Jun 2014 #42
Warren isn't running, and she made very clear if Hillary runs she will support her. The only way lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #7
Write In Ballot Still Exists In Many States cantbeserious Jun 2014 #43
Then go for it lostincalifornia Jun 2014 #51
K&R pscot Jun 2014 #8
The National Debate between the two would be well worth it Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #10
The debate would be good, but any dragging of Hillary to the left would be just for show. djean111 Jun 2014 #12
Today Salon has an article on Hillary's fake populism Ichingcarpenter Jun 2014 #14
+1000000000000000000000.................................. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #17
You should post that as an OP -- It hits the nail right on the head Armstead Jun 2014 #67
That is it in a nutshell, djean111 truedelphi Jun 2014 #30
I think HRC has made her choice. She knows the left is lost to her. She has to try rhett o rick Jun 2014 #58
How sad - someone running as a "Democrat" who concedes she has lost the Left. djean111 Jun 2014 #59
I do not agree we need a third party. We need to take back control of our Democratic Party rhett o rick Jun 2014 #61
I agree with you in spirit, but in practice, Wall Street owns the Democratic party, djean111 Jun 2014 #63
But nothing would make the oligarchs happier than to splinter off the left into a third party. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #64
Though I can appreciate supporting Democratic candidates in upcoming elections there is a time we Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #11
Maybe it'll get Hillary to state she has some comfortable shoes. bahrbearian Jun 2014 #13
lol. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2014 #54
I read the same thing about Rand Paul rickyhall Jun 2014 #15
"it might drive the Dem. candidate to the left" djean111 Jun 2014 #18
DUzy! for "temporary parking." nt truebluegreen Jun 2014 #20
Yup rickyhall Jun 2014 #37
Warren, Sanders, Reich, they should all run. joshcryer Jun 2014 #19
Please reconsider Liz! FiggyJay Jun 2014 #21
Shortly after the November, 2014 elections, people will MineralMan Jun 2014 #22
She's got my vote and I haven't volunteered for a campaign since McGovern, but I am ready. marble falls Jun 2014 #23
Ms. Warren is not running. I believe she's bright enough not to take this or any other bait. mulsh Jun 2014 #24
I really hope she doesn't. freebrew Jun 2014 #25
She can lose and remain in the senate as John Kerry did. Running, we can have a real conversation. TheNutcracker Jun 2014 #26
I can see that... freebrew Jun 2014 #34
Recommend! KoKo Jun 2014 #27
Applause from my household for your OP. n/t truedelphi Jun 2014 #29
All republicans and 80% of DUers agree! Walk away Jun 2014 #32
Elizabeth Warren should take on Hillary and pound the shit out of her. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #35
Hillary runs dirty, she will attempt to savage Elizabeth Warren Dragonfli Jun 2014 #46
Her dirty attacks against Obama are what really turned me against her. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #47
Yup. And so should Bernie Sanders. We need more liberal progressive voices "out there" K&R riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #38
I do not believe that "Dems are majority hoping for Hillary" I think the Majority of Dems Vincardog Jun 2014 #39
K&R. Yes please! Overseas Jun 2014 #40
It would be better if she ran after Citizen's United was overturned. Kablooie Jun 2014 #44
I want Warren, Sanders, whoever, to run just as Clinton is running and DEBATE everything! freshwest Jun 2014 #50
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #52
We're not going to stop beating this dead horse, are we? RandySF Jun 2014 #53
It's not good enough to just move Hillary's rhetoric to the left, only to have her govern .... Scuba Jun 2014 #56
Around 6 months ago, Warren endorsed Clinton for 2016 Reter Jun 2014 #57
That's funny Mnpaul Jun 2014 #65
She said otherwise in October Reter Jun 2014 #66
Urging Clinton to run Mnpaul Jun 2014 #69
Replace "Warren" with "Sanders" and "she" with "he" KamaAina Jun 2014 #60
K & R AzDar Jun 2014 #62
I think she should stay in the Senate. We NEED Democrats in Congress. NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #68
 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
16. And that's why people say that they hope she changes her mind.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:32 AM
Jun 2014

Just because she said she isn't running doesn't mean we still can't wish for it. Or, doesn't mean we can't push her to change her mind.

Although, I guess if I was a Hillary supporter I sure would want people to shut up about it.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
49. I like her a lot but she let me see something during her interview with Chris Matthews.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:26 PM
Jun 2014

He was rude and crude but she didn't do a good job of answering his questions and speaking to the larger issues. She is all about thwarting big banks and big financial issues especially as they relate to students and some middle income. She seems to be really light on foreign affairs, not inexperienced but just not interested. And some of her history with some social issues are not impressive to me as a democrat. I still thing she would be a great person to run the consumer protection agency but not President.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
3. why do you want to hand the presidency to the GOP
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:49 AM
Jun 2014

get your head out of the fantasy....unless you really dont care if we have a repeat of the Bush/Cheney years

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
6. I just care of not having a corporade Dem as president, who
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:50 AM
Jun 2014

will repeatedly give golden gifts to the RW.

totodeinhere

(13,274 posts)
28. Any major Democrat including Warren should have no trouble beating
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:28 PM
Jun 2014

whatever Bozo the Republicans put up.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
33. you are so wrong...warren and any democrat that can branded batshit crazy liberal will LOSE
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 01:41 PM
Jun 2014

quit thinking like a nader supporter....we know how that worked out for america don't we?

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
7. Warren isn't running, and she made very clear if Hillary runs she will support her. The only way
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:56 AM
Jun 2014

you can vote for Elizabeth Warren is if you live in Mass.

pscot

(21,037 posts)
8. K&R
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:57 AM
Jun 2014

The Repukes offer a full menu of insanity, from far right to full-moon barking mad. Democrats hug the center right. That may be sound electoral strategy but it plays right into the hands of the One Percenters.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
12. The debate would be good, but any dragging of Hillary to the left would be just for show.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:18 AM
Jun 2014

I believe this is why there seems to be a concerted effort to squash any primary - just anoint the one-percenter chosen one, so there won't be all those inconvenient YouTubes of Hillary pretending to be what used to be a Democrat.
Will there be a "Vote for Hillary - the Lesser of two Evils" bumper sticker? Because that seems to be the meme nowadays.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
14. Today Salon has an article on Hillary's fake populism
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:23 AM
Jun 2014

Hillary Clinton forgets the ’90s: Our latest gilded age and our latest phony populists
The gilded age Clinton now laments had its roots in the dark side of Bill's economic record. So why trust her now?

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/22/hillary_clinton_forgets_the_90s_our_latest_gilded_age_and_our_latest_phony_populists/

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
17. +1000000000000000000000..................................
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:35 AM
Jun 2014

She is NOT TRUSTWORTHLY TO ME absolutely not!


truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
30. That is it in a nutshell, djean111
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 01:13 PM
Jun 2014

Any dragging of Hillary to the left would be just for show.

We saw a 62 - to 64% turnout for one Barack Obama back in November 2008.

This happened because people felt like he would make a difference.

By 2012, the writing was on the wall, and only 54% of all eligible voters turned out.

From tabling here in Lake County Calif., believe me, the turnout in 2016 will be pathetic if we only get a choice between Corporatist from Party A or Corporatist from Party B.

i was not allowed to talk to people while I tabled. But people told me that the idea that voting for the "lesser of two evils" made them ill, and was permanently turning them off politics.

The meme might as well be "You peons can't make a difference, so just shut up and vote for the Dems as they smile more than the Republicans while they screw you over."

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
58. I think HRC has made her choice. She knows the left is lost to her. She has to try
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 09:44 AM
Jun 2014

to woo the disgruntled Republicans in the Lieberman/Goldman-Sachs-O-Money Wing of the Party. A primary fight with Sen Warren would be very difficult for HRC. To win the Lieberman/Goldman-Sachs Wing she must denounce the left.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
59. How sad - someone running as a "Democrat" who concedes she has lost the Left.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:20 PM
Jun 2014

Yeah, we need a third party, was was Democrat is now Republican, and what was Republican is now batshit crazy, mean, and greedy. The Dem party is just more polite.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
61. I do not agree we need a third party. We need to take back control of our Democratic Party
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 05:50 PM
Jun 2014

from the big corporate control, like Goldman-Sachs.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
63. I agree with you in spirit, but in practice, Wall Street owns the Democratic party,
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jun 2014

and ain't giving it back any time soon.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
64. But nothing would make the oligarchs happier than to splinter off the left into a third party.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 07:01 PM
Jun 2014

If we can get our party back, we are lost.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
11. Though I can appreciate supporting Democratic candidates in upcoming elections there is a time we
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:17 AM
Jun 2014

need to reflect on placing positive thoughts on all possible candidates and we do not need to continue to produce negative information on any of the candidates. It can have negative thoughts placed towards the candidate you may be trying to elevate.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
15. I read the same thing about Rand Paul
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:27 AM
Jun 2014

That if he gets the nomination it might drive the Dem. candidate to the left.

I have no link because I don't remember where I read it. Sorry.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
18. "it might drive the Dem. candidate to the left"
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jun 2014

If the candidate is Hillary, it would just be temporary parking.

FiggyJay

(55 posts)
21. Please reconsider Liz!
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:18 AM
Jun 2014

I don't think that anybody who was in favor of going to war with Iraq should be allowed to run for President. Also, anybody who is friends with Don Tyson, the chicken torturer, does not have my vote. I could go on and on......

MineralMan

(147,463 posts)
22. Shortly after the November, 2014 elections, people will
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:26 AM
Jun 2014

announce their candidacy. Until then, nobody will. Once candidates appear and announce, we'll be able to promote the ones we like.

GOTV 2014!

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
24. Ms. Warren is not running. I believe she's bright enough not to take this or any other bait.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:37 AM
Jun 2014

Should she ever decide to run for President I would vote for her. I hope she makes that decision after at least one full term as a Senator. It would enable her to learn more fully how to negotiate the labyrinth that is Washington.

I think that like Ted Kennedy she can probably be more beneficial to more people as a senator than as a president. If she never runs for any higher office we will at least have the benefit of her senatorial career. Even people like me who don't live in her district. I also think she would make a fine president. I hope I get the chance to vote for her someday.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
25. I really hope she doesn't.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 11:39 AM
Jun 2014

She has a lifetime of good she can do as a senator.
As president, she may have 4 years, if she's lucky.
The RWNJs will not stand for a 'left-leaning' POTUS.

They(RWNJ) still have the power in government.
They control the CIA, NSA and Cheney's secret government.
You didn't think that went away w/Obama's election did you?

I would like Sen. Warren to have a long and useful position in government.
That will not happen if she runs for the presidency.

I honestly fear for her life if she does. Too much history to ignore.

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
34. I can see that...
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 02:02 PM
Jun 2014

it would certainly start a conversation in the right direction.

I hope her the best whatever she decides.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
32. All republicans and 80% of DUers agree!
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jun 2014

That's why I'm saving up my membership money for the general election so that I can donate it to who ever is the Democratic candidate.
I actually want to help my party win the presidency.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
46. Hillary runs dirty, she will attempt to savage Elizabeth Warren
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:19 PM
Jun 2014

It's a good thing she can take it! The good news is Hillary's supporters are all big time bankers and there are not many of them so it is a small voting block. She does have a lot of banking groupies among third way Dems however which will guarantee some really viscous attacks on Warren that will backfire just like the racist shit she pulled backfired last time big money ran her.

It would be the primary of Goldman Sachs vs those that hate big money crooks (the 99%). They have the money but that is all they have and $$$ does not translate into likability.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
39. I do not believe that "Dems are majority hoping for Hillary" I think the Majority of Dems
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 04:59 PM
Jun 2014

are having her forced down their throats as the "inevitable" candidate. We saw how that worked out last time. On the issues HRC is WAY to the corporate side against the majority
of American's wishes. The last thing we need is another Clinton pushing the same pro Corporate policies that have decimate the World economy for the last 30 years.

GO LIZ!!!!!

Kablooie

(18,755 posts)
44. It would be better if she ran after Citizen's United was overturned.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:49 PM
Jun 2014

While it's still in play, just about all corporate campaign money would be given to Warren's opponent no matter who it is.
She might have a difficult time building up a competing campaign budget.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
50. I want Warren, Sanders, whoever, to run just as Clinton is running and DEBATE everything!
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 10:35 PM
Jun 2014

The primaries need to be open to all, and the debate forums need to be run by IMPARTIAL moderators, like the League of Women Voters. The Presidential Debate Corporation (or whoever it was) that decided who would be invited to debates is the worst idea ever!

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
56. It's not good enough to just move Hillary's rhetoric to the left, only to have her govern ....
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 08:38 AM
Jun 2014

... from the right.

We need Elizabeth, or some other progressive in the White House, not another neo-con dressed as a Democrat.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
57. Around 6 months ago, Warren endorsed Clinton for 2016
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 08:40 AM
Jun 2014

Clinton would use that against her in the primaries.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
65. That's funny
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 08:08 PM
Jun 2014

one month ago Warren said "she wasn't there yet" regarding an endorsement of Clinton.

I think you are seeing things that aren't really there.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
69. Urging Clinton to run
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:54 PM
Jun 2014

Is a far cry from endorsing her.

It is not hard to see why Warren is hesitant to endorse her campaign.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
60. Replace "Warren" with "Sanders" and "she" with "he"
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:23 PM
Jun 2014
Simply by running, Sanders will drag the centrist Clinton to the left and put the causes he cares about – financial reform, fairer taxes, income inequality – at the centre of the 2016 presidential election.

NYC Liberal

(20,343 posts)
68. I think she should stay in the Senate. We NEED Democrats in Congress.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 09:52 AM
Jun 2014

Besides, if Hillary runs then I do not believe Warren will run. The two are not the mortal enemies DU likes to make them out to be.

At any rate, if she does run then I will be supporting Hillary.

GO HILLARY!!!!

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