Some are attempting to censor me!

[boston bean]

No not really...

But take a look at these:

On Thu Jun 19, 2014, 08:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

The Rude Pundit ought to just steer clear of sexist/homophobic
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025124066

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

If we can't say the C-word in other posts, you can't when complaining about it. Hypocrite

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jun 19, 2014, 08:42 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: this is a discussion about the rude pundit okay. the rude pundit did use that word among others. context is everything.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is just tit-for-tat. Don't really want to get into that game.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a word I don't ever use but alerting on a post quoting the Rude One is just silly.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

On Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:09 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Been meaning to ask this, since it appears
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025128206

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Another divisive thread meant to stoke call outs. Just what DU needs right now. The suckage factor was running low and needed a boost

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:21 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Couldn't tell if post was about a post that was locked or cartoon thread that was locked (without doing DU archaeology). This post alone doesn't seem beyond the pale to me. Maybe ATA is the place to pose the question but doesn't work me up in GD.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: You've got to be joking. DU has been bombarded with OPs which actually have resulted in dozens of nasty insults directed at anyone who isn't completely supportive of the Rude Pundit. If this alert was on one of those OPs, it would make sense. This isn't even close to those other threads. This OP is about double standards. So this alert makes no sense.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is absolutely nothing wrong with the post that was alerted on. People need to get a grip.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I'm big girl, I can handle it. I just want to know if those who are upset about alerts on other posts would feel the same way about attempts to hide my posts. I don't think that anything I wrote was disruptive, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. Do you?

FTR, for anyone who thinks I alert gobs of posts, I don't. I have never been one who is big on alerts. I do vote in juries though. Thanks to the jury for not hiding.

[Agschmid]

1. Ugh... More of this?

Here is an important topic...



Telling no?

[Agschmid]

2. Something else important...

The 1.8-million-member Presbyterian Church (USA) voted on Thursday in favor of same-sex marriages, a General Assembly decision that will now be voted on by 172 regional presbyteries.


Thursday's vote was the result of decades of gradual progress for gay rights groups in the church who have been lobbying for this moment.

http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/06/presbyterian_church_usa_vote_t.html

Very cool!

[maddezmom]

3. Very cool!

[Agschmid]

4. Or this... Get out and help Democrats win!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/06/04/primaries-mississippi-iowa-gop-senate/9976487/.

Scary stuff, should make us all want to go pound the pavement!

[Agschmid]

5. Heck even this, check out my representatives bill!

Last week with the introduction of the International Human Rights Defense Act (S. 2472), Sen. Edward Markey (D-Mass.) took a critical step toward ensuring the continued success of the United States landmark global AIDS response. The Act would establish an office within the Department of State responsible for coordinating efforts to defend the human rights of sexual minorities worldwide.

Over the last three decades we have seen the essential and inseparable role that human rights have played in prevention and treatment of HIV, the virus that leads to AIDS. In the 10 years since George W. Bush introduced the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, and the United States became the largest donor to the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria, this country has been the leader of those responses around the world.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/209950-markeys-bill-will-help-global-fight-against-aids#ixzz35HQVByTo
Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook

[Agschmid]

6. Then there is this injustice, in which a child lost their parent.

A Pennsylvania woman died in a jail cell over the weekend while serving a 48-hour sentence for her children’s unpaid school fines. Eileen DiNino was found dead on Saturday in a Berks County jail cell where she was midway through the sentence that would have eliminated around $2,000 in fines and related court fees related to her children’s attendance at school. Police have said her death is not considered suspicious, but the cause has yet to be determined. She was 55 years old and a mother to seven children.
“This lady didn’t need to be there,” District Judge Dean Patton — who said he was “reluctant” to sentence DiNino — told the Associated Press. ”We don’t do debtors prisons anymore. That went out 100 years ago.” More than 1,600 people have been jailed in Berks County alone — the majority of them women — because of similar fines.

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/12/woman_dies_in_jail_while_serving_sentence_for_her_kids_unpaid_school_fines/

[Dr Hobbitstein]

7. Roasted Pork Loin

Roasted Pork Loin, original recipe by Kathleen Burton
Serves 8.


Ingredients

3 cloves garlic, minced

1 tablespoon dried rosemary

salt and pepper to taste

2 pounds boneless pork loin roast

1/4 cup olive oil

1/2 cup white wine

Directions

Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C).
Crush garlic with rosemary, salt and pepper, making a paste. Pierce meat with a sharp knife in several places and press the garlic paste into the openings. Rub the meat with the remaining garlic mixture and olive oil.
Place pork loin into oven, turning and basting with pan liquids. Cook until the pork is no longer pink in the center, about 1 hour. An instant-read thermometer inserted into the center should read 145 degrees F (63 degrees C). Remove roast to a platter. Heat the wine in the pan and stir to loosen browned bits of food on the bottom. Serve with pan juices.

[Agschmid]

17. Ohh I am gonna make that!

I went to a BBQ fest last night, so good!

[Dr Hobbitstein]

37. Oh man, that looks incredible...

You're not by chance in Central FL, are you? Pretty sure we just had a BBQ fest last night...

[Agschmid]

42. Up in Boston, it's the season for BBQ!

[Mojorabbit]

44. Gosh that looks delicious! nt

[Bluenorthwest]

8. Here are examples of language I find to be offensive and filthy:

Section I. Title
This measure shall be known and may be cited as the "California Marriage Protection Act."

Section 2. Article I. Section 7.5 is added to the California Constitution, to read:
Sec. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.


Or

"“Let us not be naive: This is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy God’s plan," said the future pope. "It is not just a bill (a mere instrument) but a ‘move’ of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God. We remember what God said to his people in a moment of great anguish: ‘This war is not yours, but God’s’: defend us, then, in this war of God.”



The first is the text of Prop 8. The Second are words of a man who is constantly cited on DU as the example we should hold for our Party, an anti gay, anti choice cleric who says God is at war with LGBT. People on DU promote that guy. And that never seems to get your goat at all.

Stuff folks on DU say without any 'swear words or slurs':
"Gays have plenty of rights already"
"There is only one right gays don't have and they should be ashamed'
"Gay marriage is to me, unthinkable'

[quinnox]

9. Because as we know, everything on DU that happens is all about you

You are the center of the Du universe!

[BainsBane]

12. ...

[quinnox]

19. Ok, how could I forget. I mean, you are the center of the Du universe!

Actually, upon reflection, no fighting about this is needed.

You both are the center of the Du universe!

[BainsBane]

20. sigh

[aikoaiko]

10. I don't blame you, BB.

I think you know that as a host I vote to hide all GD OPs about jury results, host decisions, or admin decisions, but since GD hosts are leaving this type of OP for one side of the RP discussion I think it's fair that you post your side in OPs, too.

[boston bean]

49. Thank you for your sense of fairness.

[hobbit709]

11. You of course have never advocated censorship.

[boston bean]

15. Right, I never advocated "censorship". nt

[BainsBane]

13. I think just about every OP of mine is alerted on

The idea that alerters all come from a certain ideological perspective is pure BS.

[boston bean]

21. I'm fairly certain

my little gang of "prudes" (sarcasm) who want to "censor" (sarcasm) and control (sarcasm) what gets posted in GD (sarcasm) (as some would put it), who post in a group I host, were more than likely not the alerter. I get alerted on all the time.

[BainsBane]

26. I know I wasn't

I don't even read the Rude Pundit, and I had to look at it a long time before figuring out why it was hidden. Of course I missed the subject line, as is my tendency if I don't access a post through the main board.

[whatchamacallit]

14. Narcissistic much?

Just gotta be the center of the universe...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. lol. i hope you intended a sarcasm tag. otherwise your remarks are just so dumb. nt

[Tuesday Afternoon]

31. yes, but under the 1st amendment people have the right to talk as dumb as they can.

and to educate them is to censor them.

or some such shit.

fuck.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. whomever alerted on your first post is a petty little douche

i dont even understand the second alert.

[boston bean]

22. Do you know how many times an alert like that has actually succeeded.

MANY. Discussion explaining why it is a slur, and using the word in that context of discussion, many times gets a post hidden.

[BainsBane]

23. No, no BB

Alerts on them are censorship. Alerts on you and many of the rest of us are about civility. See how that works?

[Agschmid]

24. What about... You know... Political issues?

Too much to ask?

[dogknob]

25. The ones who scan for something that can be used to fish for a hide later...

...when they start to run out of steam in the discussion.

These are the same people who call security at work when someone says "no" to them.

[Agschmid]

27. Okay...

Since political issues seem to be moot, how about gay dance music?

[dogknob]

28. It might be possible that alert-as-debate-tactic is a political issue n/t

[Agschmid]

32. It might be but let's be honest...

It's not a pressing national issue. I get it this is a discussion board, we discuss... but heck I think we've discussed this topic enough.

I get it this is all IMO, and people can post whatever they want.

See gay dance video two...

Seasonally appropriate might I add!

[PeaceNikki]

34. Your obsessiveness with this OP is growing a bit disturbing. Especially as a GD host.

You guys have let it turn into Meta 2: Electric Boogaloo. Own it.

Way to make this forum a nice place to be!!

[Agschmid]

36. I posted political issues and gay dance videos...

And clearly I won't be voting on the alerts which have been sent on this thread. Pretty sure my hands are clean.

[PeaceNikki]

39. Yes, I see. Totally weird.

I missed the other 'off-topic' threads you posted several times in a matter of minutes to tell them the many other things about which they should be posting.

[Agschmid]

40. There is also some mouthwatering BBQ up thread, don't miss that.

[Luminous Animal]

50. Didn't know dance music had a gender. Learn something every day.

[Agschmid]

53. I think we like to pretend that straight folks should thank us for dance music.

Clearly I am speaking on behalf of all gays.

[pipi_k]

29. Well, I know

we've had a number of disagreements in the past, but that really was a shitty alert, and if I had been on the jury I would have left it alone also.

[boston bean]

30. Thank you. I just thought that everyone would benefit to see

the alerts. It might offer a different perspective than one they may have initially agreed with.

[dogknob]

35. Discussionist has been educational.

People with limited discussion skills exist across the entire political spectrum; when they get frustrated, they start looking for a way to silence the person who is frustrating them. The need to "win" the argument outweighs any benefit the discussion itself might provide.

[boston bean]

38. I can understand you have met them over there as well. Where they can be a bit more

open about their feelings. That place deserves about two clicks and perusing for me. I check it out to entertain myself with some of the stupidity. But the in your face bigotry turns my stomach.

[dogknob]

43. Gonna have to deal with them sooner or later; bubbles are unsustainable. n/t

[boston bean]

45. What bubble would that be? I'm not interested in entering into a friendly relationship

with anyone who spouts bigoted comments.

I may counter them, but their bubble is a very bitter place. One that is not accepting of that bigotry is much more accepting of all.

[dogknob]

48. Discussionist is not a bubble. DU is. FR is.

One does not have to accept bigotry to converse with bigots.

Let me put it this way: I live in San Clemente, CA. I have decided to work for Dave Peiser's campaign. Peiser is running against Darrell Issa and, as of the primary a couple weeks ago, trails Issa by about 30 points.

This is coastal Orange County. The manger where Nixon was born is not far from my house. Pounding the pavement in support of removing the richest man in Congress from Congress is going to bring me face-to-face with some very, very unpleasant people. I live a few miles from Camp Pendleton; there is a risk of bodily injury that I can't ignore.

So by your logic, I should not do it.

I must do it. None of the things we want are going to happen unless we are willing to get out there and deal with some pretty disgusting people in a civil manner.

[boston bean]

51. Well, yeah! You got to do what you got to do in that situation.

But discussionist is a pit hole of misogynistic and racist bullshit. As a place to be on the internet, Discussionist is not a place I choose to be.

[dogknob]

54. Actually, the misogynists and racists seem to get tombstoned on a daily basis.

Because they can't help themselves; their positions are indefensible, but they have to get their pathetic little words in. They don't last very long.

The intelligent racists and misogynists who have restraint, subtlety, and debate skills even vote to tombstone the Call-of-Grand-Theft-Auto-Duty bros.

Let me say that again: intelligent racists and misogynists who have restraint, subtlety, and debate skills.

THESE are the people who need to be engaged, their fallacy-dependent arguments exposed for what they are. And good people like you won't do it because a little old-school race-baiting-wimmen-hating makes you squeamish?

It is your choice. I see it as an opportunity.

[boston bean]

55. I do it enough here on DU.

And I am absolutely castigated for doing so. You think it would be better over there?

I'm not going to go over there and argue with the same person with a new name, who now feel a bit freer to spout the bs.

[tularetom]

33. Your posts aren't important enough for me to alert on

You're feeling all hurt because somebody out here doesn't like you. And maybe there are some who don't. But I'm not one of them, I really don't care. What you post doesn't offend me, in fact I rarely read them.

As far as I'm concerned you can post anything you want. And so can the Rude Pundit or any DUer posting on his behalf.

If you don't like Rude Pundit stuff just do what I do to your posts. Don't read them.

[BainsBane]

47. Yet here you are

Making a point of entering a thread to tell her how unimportant she is that you don't read her posts.

[tularetom]

57. I can't ignore 'em, they're everywhere

I got involved in this because I don't like what happened to the Rude Pundit here but I would never vote to hide a post unless it contained a personal attack on another DU'er.

She seemed a bit paranoid that people were out there just waiting to alert on her. If she cares, I wanted her to know that I wouldn't do so, and if I were on a jury deciding on one of her posts, I wouldn't vote to hide it. She is welcome to post whatever she wants, regardless of how she feels about someone else's right to do so.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

58. You don't owe anyone an explanation. Your opinions are as valid as anyone else's. nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

56. Somebody tried to censor you... I wonder who it was. nt

[grasswire]

41. whining meta

and someone used the word "douche" in your thread.

[Harmony Blue]

46. I don't alert threads that I disagree with

I rather they be kept up so we can have a discussion unless the community deems is extremely offensive.

[Generic Other]

52. I think I am also a big enough girl to read your posts

without needing smelling salts to revive me. I don't approve of the censorship of discussions on DU. I get the feeling that the individuals having the discussions are not the ones alerting which makes the alerters busybodies who should mind their own beeswax or actually participate in the discussion! Imagine that. DUers used to actually talk, argue, refute, rant to each other rather than simply become volunteer informants on each other.

[dilby]

59. Alerting is all the rage.

All the cool kids are doing it so why not.

[Warren Stupidity]

60. I think the 4of7 rule and the 5 hide ban rule have caused "alert stalking" as a sport.

The reward for alerting is now banishment. It is too great a reward to resist. The same exact problem exists on Discussionist.

[boston bean]

61. I think the 7 jury is fine, but the 5 hide 90 day time out does give people

reason to alert on folks they don't like to try and get off DU for a period of time.

I think admin should shorten the length of time for time out due to five hides.... FOR EVERYONE I mean, not just people I like who get time outs.

[bettyellen]

63. yep, I finally realized which posse is going after me after I got four alerts in one thread.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

64. Which one is it? Please be unspecific... nt

[bettyellen]

65. Ha ha, no. One hint- they ALWAYS try to trick people into calling out other DUers.

and get really angry when anyone has a problem with sexism, while they spend a lot of time in threads about sexism telling me how it ain't worth their time to discuss. Not too bright. So, that's going to narrow it down to about a dozen, right?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

67. Yes =) And, I don't know how the heck I left the word "unspecific" out of my post above, lol. nt

[Alex P Notkeaton]

66. Don't be paranoid

Censorship doesn't exist here. In fact, xxxxx xx xxx xxxxxxx x xxxx xx xxxxxx!

[doxydad]

68. Same deal here!

I would gladly sign up to be a moderator and stop some of these ignorant alerts ....for no good reason! I was alerted because I called the Fox Noise woman.. Kelly Something.. and that other one a 'blonde'. MY GAWD, you'de think that I was a blonde baby girl killer! That's just nuts. I'm agreeing with you, let's start the common sense revolution! If these alertists were to go on REDDIT for 10 minutes, their heads would explode.

[Comrade Grumpy]

69. Alert stalking sucks. But is seems like cliques on all sides are into it.

[boston bean]

70. I only control what happens regarding alerts for myself.

I very rarely make an alert. Others will have to decide for themselves. I want the accusations that are flung at me stopped.

[Comrade Grumpy]

71. Not blaming you, just noting that the alerts sure do seem to fly.

[boston bean]

72. I didn't mean that you were.

I was making a declarative statement.

[rock]

73. I do have to comment on "saying the C-word"

"Say" is a bit wide in application. The linguists like to distinguish "mention" and "use" to describe how we say a word. You are not a hypocrite if you mention the word when complaining about using it.