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Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:22 PM

Are you an 11% Democrat?

Someone posted a poll that said only 11% of Democrats want a candidate more "liberal" than Hillary Clinton and 83% were fine with Hillary or wanted someone more conservative.

I don't mean this as a criticism of Hillary in particular. She would have done roughly the same job Obama or any number of DLCers would have done.

However, I wonder if the results of that poll would be the same if you asked some specific questions:

Should corporations be held accountable for criminal actions, pay closer to full restitution and their executives sent to prison?

Should those very wealthy individuals who live primarily on investment income have a separate, lower tax rate than most middle and working class people?

Should workers get to keep a greater share of the wealth they create for their employers?

Should public education be privatized, turning our tax dollars and children's education over to the same Wall Street scammers who outsourced your job, gambled with your mortgage then foreclosed you, and got trillions in bailout dollars that they didn't use to help the economy?

Should we have trade deals that enrich transnational corporations but impoverish average Americans AND average people on the other end of the trade deals?

Should there be cuts to social programs in the name of balanced budgets while the budget for a military as big as that of the rest of the world combined is uncut and the many of the most profitable corporations in human history not only pay no taxes but GET subsidies from the federal and state governments? AND start more costly wars?

Should we continue overthrow foreign governments, by covert means or overt wars, when those governments are not compliant enough to oil companies, plantation and sweatshop corporations, and international bankers?

Should all policy decisions of our government be for sale to the highest bidder, and the role of average Americans be restricted to being sold on what has already been decided behind closed doors?

Should the differences between our major political parties be limited exclusively to abortion, gay rights, gun control, immigration, and the role of religion in public life?


If you asked questions like this, not only would most Democrats be progressives, but so would a lot of Republicans.

Taken in this light, do you want someone more progressive than Hillary, about like Hillary, or more conservative?
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More progressive
32 (91%)
Hillary or the equivalent
3 (9%)
More conservative
0 (0%)
WHO is Hillary?
0 (0%)
OTHER (please explain)
0 (0%)
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yurbud Jun 2014 OP
bowens43 Jun 2014 #1
Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #6
newthinking Jun 2014 #20
Exposethefrauds Jun 2014 #23
newthinking Jun 2014 #57
Johonny Jun 2014 #2
yurbud Jun 2014 #5
Aerows Jun 2014 #16
Johonny Jun 2014 #39
Bluenorthwest Jun 2014 #3
LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #4
yurbud Jun 2014 #7
LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #9
Armstead Jun 2014 #14
LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #17
frylock Jun 2014 #36
LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #61
frylock Jun 2014 #65
LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #66
newthinking Jun 2014 #58
LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #62
newthinking Jun 2014 #63
LostOne4Ever Jun 2014 #64
JI7 Jun 2014 #21
yurbud Jun 2014 #24
tblue37 Jun 2014 #8
yurbud Jun 2014 #25
tblue37 Jun 2014 #41
GusBob Jun 2014 #10
Old and In the Way Jun 2014 #11
yurbud Jun 2014 #27
Armstead Jun 2014 #12
hrmjustin Jun 2014 #13
Scootaloo Jun 2014 #30
hrmjustin Jun 2014 #31
Scootaloo Jun 2014 #32
tiredtoo Jun 2014 #15
yurbud Jun 2014 #19
Union Scribe Jun 2014 #18
newthinking Jun 2014 #59
Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #22
yurbud Jun 2014 #26
liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #56
randys1 Jun 2014 #28
newthinking Jun 2014 #60
Scootaloo Jun 2014 #29
Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #35
Scootaloo Jun 2014 #38
historylovr Jun 2014 #42
Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #46
Scootaloo Jun 2014 #48
Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #50
Scootaloo Jun 2014 #52
Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #53
AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #33
tech3149 Jun 2014 #34
yurbud Jun 2014 #37
baldguy Jun 2014 #40
Scootaloo Jun 2014 #49
historylovr Jun 2014 #43
BootinUp Jun 2014 #44
antiGOPin294 Jun 2014 #45
brooklynite Jun 2014 #47
NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #51
cantbeserious Jun 2014 #54
agentS Jun 2014 #55
LanternWaste Jun 2014 #67
yurbud Jun 2014 #68

Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:32 PM

1. the last 3 presidents have all been Hillary or the equivalent' we don't need another

 

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:39 PM

6. Might as well vote Republican if she runs on the Democratic Ticket

 

I guess I am just a malcontent and expect better from our leaders and representatives.

However not everyone has my high standards and will accept any dreck as long as they have a (D) after their name.





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Response to Exposethefrauds (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 04:22 PM

20. A lot of party members have become independent in the last 5 years - 25% left it during that time

Democratic party membership has been dropping, from a high in November 2008 of 39% down to 28% currently. Who are those that are now independents? A good number of disillusioned liberals who still likely tend to vote for Democrats.

So this kind of poll does not really represent a complete view.

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Response to newthinking (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 04:31 PM

23. I think it does the party is changing and not in a good way

 

I see that in the next few years the Democratic Party will be the new Conservative party

Things change.

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Response to Exposethefrauds (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:25 AM

57. It keeps doing the same strategy and it is discouraging their liberal base

They live in a bubble. They could easily shift gears and go progressive populist. It would take some convincing but the party would turn around.

The Republican party should have been almost completely destroyed by now. It was all "ours" to lose. It has been amazing the disconnect.

So instead of listening they try and battle the traditional left out of their core values. Sending foot soldiers out to all the sites to tell half the party they are full of shit. Just amazing.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:36 PM

2. I think most people see Congress and not Obama/Hillary are the body that needs to be more liberal

Start sticking progressive bills on their desk and if they veto them then I imagine that number would grow.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:38 PM

5. when Dems have the numbers in Congress to pass progressive legislation they suddenly become

more conservative.

In California, Dems have super-majorities in the legislature and a Democratic governor, but they have deviated very little from what they did when Republicans had the votes to filibuster everything.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 03:24 PM

16. Bingo

 

and that's what the problem is. They hide behind "we don't have the numbers", even when they do. It's a farce.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:44 PM

39. and the country's reaction was to... go more conservative

For the record in California they passed some pretty liberal stuff until they lost the super majority. Nancy Pelosi passed many a fine liberal policy. I merely state again what I said; make a liberal legislature and I have a feeling they will be more liberal. Obama's legislature had a lot of Dems yes, but hardly a super majority of liberal dems and we all know it. We hardly kept the pressure on leadership by wisking in Teaparty crap into congress.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:37 PM

3. I'm used to this Party being so much more conservtive than I am that leadership regularly slandered

 

my community in the name of their sky God. 'We Are Christians, They Are Sinners' is their constant chant. Hillary used to go on and on with claims that marriage has been, since the dawn of time, a commitment between one man and one woman. 'It must always be so'.
I'm used to it. They are all backward, stilted fakes who'd just as soon stab you in the back as wish you a good day.
Not once have I been able to vote for a National Candidate with no record of speaking venom against people like me. Not once. And I never expect to be able to do so. I see how DUers are, and most of them are so right wing I'm sure they are not Republicans because the red ties don't match their shoes and no other reason.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:37 PM

4. Its not what I want

Its about what I don't want.

I DON'T want anyone more conservative than Hillary...AND I DON'T WANT THE RETHUGS TO KEEP A HOLD ON THE SUPREME COURT!!!

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:41 PM

7. the lesser of two evils argument is getting thinner and thinner.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:51 PM

9. Keep telling yourself that

Maybe one day you will believe it

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 03:21 PM

14. It is possible to walk and chew gum at he same time

 

And it is possible for Democrats to fight for positive principles while combating the GOP.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 03:30 PM

17. Absolutely

And making sure we get the SCotUS out of the republican's hands is a large part of that!

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:09 PM

36. by continuing to tack to the right?

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Response to frylock (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:53 AM

61. By winning

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If that means tracking to the left, so be it. If that means sucking up to the middle so be it.

Getting as strong a hold on the SCotUS as the republicans have had for the last few decades will help immensely. No more Citizens united rulings, no more prayer rulings, no more backtracking on civil rights laws, and so on.

Otherwise everything we get passed will get struck down again and again.

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #61)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:14 PM

65. and next thing you know, there is no representation on the left..

then what have we won? you think a party that continues to chase the right is going to nominate an SCJ that is fair and represents the left when every decision made is done to not piss off the nutjobs on the right?

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Response to frylock (Reply #65)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:37 PM

66. If that happens

then the american people have rejected our platform entirely. This is still a democratic republic.

But that is not the way things are going:

http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/

Democratic party is moving more and more to the left.

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:34 AM

58. That 11% - Also represents the fall in Dem membership - 39% to 28% since 2008!

Keep telling yourself this is working.

The Republicans have trashed themselves and still we are losing membership. The disconnect is truly amazing.

It is unfortunate, because indeed the Republicans are worse, but the tactic is wearing people down and the party is bleeding members. That is plenty of evidence that the party needs to listen and change their direction.

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Response to newthinking (Reply #58)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:45 AM

62. Fractions don't work that way

11% of democrats does not equal 11% of the public. More like 3-4.3% of the public.

That said, independent identification with the democratic party is also on the rise.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx

And most americans want more compromise

http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/political-polarization-in-the-american-public/

I am all for going further to the left if it works (I would be ecstatic about that in fact), but I am results oriented; and you don't get any results you want if you don't win seats.

Bottom line for me:

NO MORE REPUBLICAN MORONS!!!!

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #62)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 04:54 AM

63. I don't disagree about independents

But if they were with the Democrats they would actually be democrats.

A reduction from 39% to 28% is more than 25% drop. In terms of the drop in the size of party membership.

I would say that is a pretty strong indication that the current tactic is not working. I would argue (respectfully) that we are not getting results from the current pattern, that it is an illusion.

Personally I wish we had a parliamentary system at this time. The fact is that over time parties tend to change, and people need a way to continue to be represented, and with a parliament there can be a better ebb and flow as collations can be kept together to maintain power through a fracture. We would be in much better shape if the party, which is severely divided (just look at progressive sites this year, they are in open rebellion), what would happen in that case is another party would form, then it would form a government together with the existing party and both liberal and more conservative voices would be franchised.

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Response to newthinking (Reply #63)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 05:21 AM

64. I would also like a parliamentary system

And if both parties keep on hemorrhaging members that might be possible some day.

I agree that the current tactics don't seem to be working. I am more than open to changes (and believing it or not I would jump for joy if it meant the party moving more left), I just want them to be effective. The republicans are just completely intolerable to me in every way.

I never said I didn't want someone MORE liberal than Hillary...I just don't want anyone more conservative than her and I want the supreme court back.

I am soooo sick of republicans and the tea party....

Anyways, thanks for the polite conversation!

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Response to yurbud (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 04:25 PM

21. I think it's bs. gore was not like Bush our even a

 

Lesser evil.

But I have said many times if I felt that way I would have left the party.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:32 PM

24. I like Gore, but he pushed NAFTA, government privatization, and

And even on global warming, he baled cap and trade instead of cap and punish.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:44 PM

8. I am super-liberal. I WISH we could have a Bernie Sanders type socialist in the WH, but I know

perfectly well (as does he) that Bernie could never get elected president. He plans to run only to shape the dialogue and to push the other candidates further left.

I think EW could possibly get elected, but I also think that we need her in the Senate, holding the money-jerks responsible and making big noise.

Our side (especially our voters, but our governors and legislative representatives, too) seems to think only the presidency matters, and that is one reason why even though we win the presidency, the Republicans are able to block progressive policies and appointments despite being the minority party.

We need strong progressive Dems in the House and Senate, not just in the WH. I think Hillary has a chance to be elected, and I also think that if we have strong progressive Dems in Congress, she could be forced leftward, just as she is being forced a bit leftward in her public pronouncements right now because it is clear that the American people are moving in that direction and getting fed up with the conservative policy preferences of so many of our Dem officials.

I want Bernie to run, to shape the conversation, but I also want him to stay in the House, where he fights the good fight and keeps the spotlight where it needs to be. I also like having EW in the Senate. Like Ted Kennedy, she can do great things there. Keep in mind that he didn't become the "lion of the Senate" until he stopped running for president and instead re-focused his attention on his legislative role.

Because Dems over-focus on the presidency and don't pay enough attention to local and state offices or to national legislative offices, we end up with too few strong candidates in the pipeline for our big national offices. The Republican Party knows that local city commissions and school boards, state legislatures, state boards of education, etc., are the offices that get candidates trained as effective politicians and that get them the sort of exposure that make them viable as national candidates in the long term.

Those local and state offices also allow candidates to network and to collect political debts from individuals and interest groups that they can then cash in as support when they run for bigger offices. And don't forget that they were able to gerrymander their dominance in the HOuse specifically because our side largely ignored the races for state legislatures.

Furthermore, it doesn't matter whom we nominate or elect if we don't back our candidate up with strong support in the House and Senate. Obama can't even get his nominees for the federal bench or for major appointed positions confirmed because of the Republicans in the Senate!

Besides the whole gerrymandering debacle, we also need to have state legislatures and governors in our column, because they can screw things up even if we do get stuff passed at the national level. Look at how the right wing governors and legislatures in Republican-controlled states screwed up the implementation of the ACA and prevented the expansion of Medicaid so that so many people who should be able to get subsidies have been excluded from coverage.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:33 PM

25. Some deem Governors work hard to enact corporate agenda

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Response to yurbud (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 08:38 PM

41. Then they've overlooked the damage Sam Brownback

has wrought here in Brownbackistan (Kansas).

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 02:55 PM

10. PushPolling much?

You should really work harder at getting the results you want

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Response to GusBob (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 03:18 PM

11. Yes, that's why I wouldn't answer it.

No option for "I'm progressive and I'd be happy to have a President Clinton in the WH again." I am so sick of this crap...as if any President can devine legislation into existance to be signed. Especially when we all know that this Republican majority is not going to offer up any legislation that would make progressives/liberals/Democrats happy.

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Response to GusBob (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:38 PM

27. The choices are worded almost identically to the pro-Hillary

Post celebrating that poll

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 03:19 PM

12. I Love this Post -- Nail on the head /nt

 

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 03:20 PM

13. I want Hillary and a primary. I hope a primary challenge would move hrr more to the left.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:47 PM

30. ...For the duration of the primary challenge

 

before she moves back towards the right to try to scoop up all those "undecided" voters.... Only to get in office and basically do whatever pops up in a given week.

Ahhh, American politics.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:49 PM

31. I hope not but I understand your cynicism.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:54 PM

32. it's not cynicism

 

When someone suddenly changes long-standing positions while on the campaign trail, it's not "personal evolution," it's vote-grabbing strategy.

If I had a dollar for every close-race personal epiphany achieved by American politicians, I would buy you a mansion with a nice pool.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 03:23 PM

15. i did not read any of the questions

just went to the poll and voted more progressive. We need more progressive people in ALL elected positions. But i like most will probably settle for the sorry choice of lesser of two evils.

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Response to tiredtoo (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 03:38 PM

19. we have to primary more of the crony capitalist Democrats

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 03:32 PM

18. Why on earth would people settle

for less progressive than we can get, unless they don't support more progressive policy stances?

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:39 AM

59. Because, the party has beaten fear into the membership that anyone other than the dlc candidate will

bring about a catastrophe.

Trouble is that is a circular argument. The party does not support a populist platform, which makes it hard for populists to win. But yet all the polls on both the left and right show that people want a populist. Just the fact that some Republicans have already told polls they would vote for warren is one indicator of what is going on out there.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 04:26 PM

22. I'm a Democrat who votes for/against policies & prinicples. Not politians or brand.

 

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:35 PM

26. That's why I added "or the equivalent". I like Hillary as a person in some ways

Bit not the policies she is likely to enact.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 12:42 AM

56. You mean you're an issues voter? How scandalous.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:40 PM

28. First, i saw that poll and thought it was bullshit, that ONLY 11% of DEMOCRATS

want someone more liberal than Hillary, bullshit, it is more than that.

Second, until we manage to ALL show the fuck up and

V O T E

WE wont be able to mobilize an actual liberal agenda...To think of simultaneously this November there will be millions of us who want to vote who will find it VERY Hard to do so and millions of others who can vote, and wont.

https://twitter.com/DidTheyLetUVote

We must get every single non rightwinger to the polls THIS NOVEMBER...or, we just might as well shut the fuck up because if we allow the right to get any power, they will take it and use it to destroy everything.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:42 AM

60. 1/4 of the party has moved independent in the last 4 years. Those are likely mostly liberals that

still tend to vote democratic.

We can no longer win without independents. The party is down to 28%. So polls like this, to be accurate, should include left leaning independents.
The party has become more conservative because liberals have been feeling unwelcome.
I mean how many times does one need the party and the President to insult half the party before we were to see this happening? Yet nary a word. Fingers in ears lalala and all that.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:45 PM

29. Well, remember, Americans are trained to hate the word "liberal"

 

From what i've seen this includes quite a number of DU'ers.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #29)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:02 PM

35. Can you provide some examples of DUers who are trained to hate the word" liberal"?

 

I'm not calling you a liar, but it would be nice to see some proof of this. I have never seen a DUer trained to hate the word "liberal".

You said quite a number of DUers are trained in this way.

Surely providing proof won't be too difficult since it's "quite a number".

Thank you in advance.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:40 PM

38. How many times have you seen this phrase:

 

"It's Democratic Underground.. not Progressive Underground"?

One example from a poster that we'll call, oh, ChocolateCantata to avoid a call-out, goes like "I dont think this forum is called Democratic Principles Underground is it?"

How many times have you seen liberal "purists" accused of getting Bush elected? or of wanting to get Rand Paul elected?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #38)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 09:19 PM

42. And how about the "You progressives" sneer

or "you far-leftists" or "far left fringe." Seen that quite a bit over the years here.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #38)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:28 PM

46. Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen that phrase before

 

So you see one member (out of thousands) saying this isn't Democratic Principles Underground and that's your evidence that there are quite a number of people here trained to hate the word liberal?

I'm sorry but that's not evidence of anything.

You're big on allegations, but short on evidence. The fact is that DU is left of center and vast majority here support liberal policies.

A few people out of thousands is not "quite a number". You're pretending as if there a hordes of conservatives here bashing liberal policies. That just isn't the case.

Sorry.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #46)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:47 PM

48. Sure you haven't

 

Of course if you had, you certainly wouldn't be saying so to me, either. Soooo... Consider yourself privilged to be blithely unaware of the goings-on around here.

You're right though. A few people out of thousands isn't statistically significant.

But try convincing them of this fact

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #48)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 12:01 AM

50. Well if this is so widespread as you claimed

 

surely you can provide evidence of that.

So far you have been unable to. You claimed there were a lot of people here trained to hate the word liberal, but you can't back up your claim.

If you're going to assert something like that, you should be able to back it up.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #50)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 12:05 AM

52. Well, we already covered that you've "never seen it"

 

Even when I cite an example from a thread you've participated in.

I'll keep you in the loop, though.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #52)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 12:21 AM

53. Which thread are you talking about?

 

I honestly have no idea what you're referring to.

Were loads of DUers engaged in liberal bashing in this thread you're referring to? I assume this is the thread where a bunch of people were trained to hate the word liberal?

You're being so cryptic.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 05:55 PM

33. Somewhat more, definitely. But I'd still vote for her. nt

 

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 06:11 PM

34. I would definitely consider myself part of that 11%

My problem is I don't think any particular candidate for any office can affect any major change in policy. Since the 60's I've had an understanding of the concept of "deep government". The cover for it is the whole "both parties are the same" BS.
Think about all those people who are in and around Washington who are always the go-to guys without regard to how often they have been wrong in the past.
I'm sure you can all think of a dozen or so who always have face time on TV or get column inches in the biggest fishwraps in the country.
For every one of those you can bet there are a thousand others flying under the radar doing the same thing in a smaller market.

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Response to tech3149 (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 07:38 PM

37. yep--that's the frustrating thing. The policies that need to change most are the most untouchable

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 08:35 PM

40. I am, as are *most* DUrs.

 

But some of the more vocal (loud & obnoxious) posters here believe the best way to get there is attack every major Democratic politician in the country, and to promote the RW Libertarian Party line.

I don't.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:49 PM

49. Can't help but notice Cali_Democrat isn't demanding you back that claim up.

 

So I'll do it for her. (him? Sorry, I don't know)

Got some links to posters promoting the Libertarian party on DU?

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 09:24 PM

43. Definitely in that 11%.

I want someone who will work for both social and economic justice.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 09:27 PM

44. I just want to win the f'in election with a candidate that has integrity (i.e.)

They will do everything they can to deliver on their campaign platform.

We can't afford another 2000.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:45 PM

45. I'm definitely part of the 11%.

 

Hilary is a good candidate, but she's still too conservative for my taste. After all, she voted for the Iraq War back in 2002.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:35 PM

47. You have evidence that Hillary Clinton holds those positions, right?

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 12:02 AM

51. Hell no. I think Hillary is a wonderful progressive Democrat.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 12:28 AM

54. More Progressive - We Can Start With This List Of Reforms

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 12:38 AM

55. I'm happy either way (Hillary or a more progressive candidate)

Hillary's not perfect and I wasn't a fan of hers during 08. I'm not expecting her to be a Kennedy- BUT if she wants to try and hit moon shots, then hey I'm down with it.

However, if she doesn't run for whatever reason, then I'm not worried. We have a MUCH deeper "bench" than the Repubs do right now. They have NO one that can match Hillary. Who do we have on our bench?
Warren
Sanders
Castro (Mayor of San Antonio, now head of Housing)
Sebillus (Was head of Health)
Biden
Patrick (Gov of Mass)
Booker
Schweitzer‎ (Gov of Montana)
Gillibrand (Sen of NY)
Wendy Davis (Texas)

We have a deeper bench with less baggage than the Repubs. Our guys are either well-known, can compete or carry big states, have big-money donors (or can get them), have records to run on (and not as much "from" and aren't hated by the base.
Who's on the Rethug bench?
Christie
Romney
Ryan
Bush
Paul
Carson (crazy surgeon)
Cruz
Walker
Rubio
Perry
Jindal
Huckabee

All of these guys will raise money, but money doesn't protect you from a bad record or controversies (Eric Cantor, anyone). Cruz, Rubio, and Carson are their minority big-hitters, but they're not going to match up well against Patrick, Booker, Castro or even Warren. Romney probably won't run again. Bush has to run against his brother and run against Clinton at the same time- its not a great position. Paul is the most difficult of the bunch because of his weird positions and libertarian appeal, whereas Ryan and the others are not well-known enough to beat him in a primary- unless he screws up royally. Against a liberal Dem or minority, Paul is their best shot. Against a less liberal Dem like H. Clinton, Ryan or Christie is their best shot. By best shot I mean "competitive" not "Win" or "Place".

Note: there are no women on their bench that can go toe-for-toe, or even compete with any of ours, that have expressed interest in running. Clinton or Warren vs Bachmann? Please! After 1 debate you could see the roadkill from space!

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 02:39 PM

67. I support the Democratic platform, and those candidates which also support it.

I support the Democratic platform, and those candidates which also support it.

To some idiots, that makes me a RW nazi; to some half-wits, that makes me a radical communist. However, as my votes are cast with the collective good of the nation in mind, I can only tell the half-wits and idiots, "bless your little hearts..."

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #67)

Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:05 PM

68. I look at politicians actions and donors. They take those platforms about as seriously as

most of us take the speed limit.

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