My concerns about Hillary and 2016

[Robbins]

Some want 2016 to basicly be a cornation for Hillary.I have serious concerns about her especilly with those things Obama can be legitimetly critized about

1:Corporate and wall street

Many believe Obama Is too corporate friendly and soft on Wall street abuses like what got us into the 2008 crisis. And do people really
think Hillary will be tougher on them than Obama? The Clintons are even more connected to wall Street than Obama.

The Clintons have never seen a free trade deal they didn't like.I belong to group who feel free trade deals are killing jobs In US.If you
opposse the TPP you want someone even more free trade? That's NAFTA on steroids and who signed nafta Into Law? Bill Clinton

As someone who opposes the keystone pipeline if It was up to Hillary why do I fear she would approve it

2:hawkish

let's put Iraq In past here.Hillary was one of most hawkish members of Obama's administration on Afghanstain.She supported more troops. If you are among those who want out of afghanstain do you really think she would be to Obama's left on Afghanstain.He's basicly comitted us to be there indefently and we should have beguin withdrawing after Bin laden was killed.

She supported strikes on Syria.

I am firm believer we need to stop getting involved In Middle east conflicts

3 ealing with republicans

many agree here that Obama Is too willing to work with republicans but have people forgotten the trianglution of the Clintons.Or
Hillary's comments critizing those who call Bi-partisan a dirty word.yeah that's what we need more bi-partisan crap that could
endanger things like SS,SSI,Medicaid,and medicare.Already in name of bi-partisan 8 billion have been cut from food stamps.There
are plenty of people out there that could use food stamps

4:Elections

The clintons never helped other Dems much. Even now a key super-pac aligned with them Is going to sit out 2014 and Bill Clinton
continues to only campagin for dems who supported hillary over obama In 2008

2014 may turn into a clobbing for Democrats and come January 2015 Obama will be fighting ivestigations ,Impeachment threats,and senate votes to repeal Obamacare.Not to mention republicans using budget to try to cut SS,Medicare,and medicaid.

We may need a democrat for 2016 who will lead charge against republicans In congress as well as the teapartyer who wins nomination. Can that trully be Hillary

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. right right right...yeah like a broken record....

we've heard it all before. YET she is polling at 69% among Democrats while the rest of the field including Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are in single digits (with the exception of Joe Biden who polls at 11%). As much as the Republican party hates that woman and has tried for over 20 yrs to smear her....nothing has worked...and you guys think YOU will be able to do it?

FAT chance!

[Robbins]

9. So your going to dismiss everything

Other democrats say about her.

Nobody Is trying to address concerns it's just anyone who doesn't embrace her Is trying to smear her?

And if people have critism about obama then do they really think She will be better than him.

[Voice for Peace]

29. I think they are all legitimate concerns but would not stop me voting for her if she gets the nom.

I think both Clintons have learned a great deal since they
were in the White House. I do not think they would take
us further backward. They can not, at this point, ignore
or overlook the gap between rich and poor, disappeared
middle class, unemployed, oily poisons, global warming,
Human rights especially rights of women..

I can't think of anybody else who has the cojones as well
as the capability to keep pushing forward in all these
areas. Hillary, I think, won't waste time on bipartisanship
with these idiots; she knows them well and has their
numbers, my opinion.

[VanillaRhapsody]

40. You mean the 7% of them?

[Michigander_Life]

17. She's a corporate, DINO hawk.

We need a progressive liberal democrat to run and win. I'll vote for Hillary over anyone with an R next to their name, but she sure as heck won't be my choice in the primaries.

If we elect anyone other than a progressive liberal democrat, it may be too late by the time we have the opportunity to do so again.

[MissDeeds]

26. Agreed

We do need a progressive, but prepare for the onslaught of howls that "a liberal or progressive can't be elected". They are wrong. Anything is possible - just look at our last two presidents.

[VanillaRhapsody]

41. according to you...but not to the 69% of other Democrats!

sorry Charlie....starkist only takes the best tuna!

[Michigander_Life]

45. How do the majority of democrats feel about the death penalty?

You really want to play that card?

I take it you're a HRC supporter? I don't blame you, no one is perfect.

[VanillaRhapsody]

47. Yeah I'll play....How do they?

And what does that have to do with the price of tuna Charlie?

Do you expect to agree with everything the candidate you support?

Oh yeah....I was a supporter of Hillary BEFORE Obama...BECAUSE she was to his Left...especially on Single Payer Universal.

Please proceed!

[Michigander_Life]

53. Happy to oblige

Half (or more) Democrats support the death penalty.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/14050/who-supports-death-penalty.aspx

I think single payer healthcare would be great.

Do you think HRC is the best person to lead the country?

[VanillaRhapsody]

56. So? What does that mean? And Yes I do....I thought she was better than Barack Obama

because she was Left of him and closer to Single Payer Universal than he....

Hillary Clinton


vs

Barack Obama




You be the judge with those images...

[Michigander_Life]

57. She's definitely far to the right of PBO

Do you support the death penalty?

[VanillaRhapsody]

59. proof please....and do not just use your pet issues...OVERALL

[Michigander_Life]

61. Do you deny that she is a corporatist hawk?

[VanillaRhapsody]

62. Yes I do...

Is Barack Obama one?

[Michigander_Life]

63. More so than I would like

Less so than HRC

[VanillaRhapsody]

64. WRONG.....you wish! Here is Hillary's record on Corporations

Click here for 22 full quotes on Corporations OR other political leaders on Corporations.
Take back $55B in Bush’s industry give-aways. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Pushed Wal-Mart for women managers & environment. (Jan 2008)
World Bank should impose rules on sovereign wealth funds. (Jan 2008)
Bush defanged the Consumer Product Safety Commission. (Dec 2007)
FactCheck: Yes, Bush shrunk CPSC; but it shrank before Bush. (Dec 2007)
Outraged at CEO compensation. (Oct 2007)
Stop bankruptcies to get rid of pension responsibilities. (Aug 2007)
Enough with corporate welfare; enough with golden parachutes. (Jun 2007)
Close lobbyists’ revolving door; end no-bid contracts. (Jun 2007)
1976 Rose Law: Fought for industry against electric rate cut. (Jun 2007)
Corporate lawyer at Rose Law while Bill was Attorney General. (Jun 2007)
Corporate elite treat working-class America as invisible. (Apr 2007)
Companies get rewarded with hard-working people left hanging. (Mar 2007)
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program. (Jun 2004)
1970s: Potential conflict of interest when GM sued Arkansas. (Nov 1997)
Businesses play social role in US; gov’t oversight required. (Sep 1996)
Family-friendly work policies are good for business. (Sep 1996)
Angry at unacceptable acquiescence to greed in the 1980s. (Jun 1994)
Serving on boards provides ties but requires defending too. (Aug 1993)
Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)
Rated 35% by the US COC, indicating a mixed business voting record. (Dec 2003)


and here is Barack Obama

Lower tax rate to 25% and incentivize investment at home. (Oct 2012)
End $4B tax break for shipping jobs overseas. (Oct 2012)
You can't build a business on your own; we're in it together. (Jul 2012)
End deduction for outsourcing jobs; tax outsourcing instead. (Jan 2012)
At a certain point, you've made enough money. (Dec 2011)
Michelle Obama: Work for community, not corporate America. (Dec 2011)
$4,000 tax credit for companies who hire unemployed workers. (Sep 2011)
Now business can write off the full cost of new investments. (Jan 2011)
Lower corporate tax rate; pay for it by closing loopholes. (Jan 2011)
OpEd: Overturn Court's campaign financing ruling in Congress. (Jan 2010)
American elections shouldn't be bankrolled by corporations. (Jan 2010)
FactCheck: Many steps until companies can bankroll elections. (Jan 2010)
Special interests dominate day-to-day legislative activity. (Nov 2009)
OpEd: Wall Street wealth comes from increasing gov't role. (Nov 2009)
No capital gains tax on earnings under $250K. (Oct 2008)
High corporate tax rate is offset by numerous loopholes. (Sep 2008)
We still need corporate ethics & vigilant government. (Jul 2008)
Enforce against insider trading & market manipulation. (Jul 2008)
Regulate institutions for what they do, not what they are. (Jul 2008)
Cap the farm subsidies for Fortune 500 companies. (Dec 2007)
End tax breaks for companies that send jobs overseas. (Aug 2007)
Hold corporations responsible for pensions & work conditions. (Aug 2007)
Tax incentives for corporate responsibility. (Jun 2004)
Close tax loopholes for US companies relocating abroad. (Jun 2004)
Corporate Bailout

Bailout deal: CAFE for trucks as well as cars. (Jan 2014)
If we had let GM go bankrupt, we'd be buying Chinese cars. (Oct 2012)
Letting Detroit go bankrupt the Romney way wouldn't work. (Oct 2012)
Toughest reforms on Wall Street since the 1930s. (Oct 2012)
End tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas. (Sep 2012)
We bailed out auto industry, but today they're back. (Jan 2012)
OpEd: Bailouts of GM & Wall Street are crony capitalism. (Nov 2010)
Better to force auto bankruptcy than force out of business. (May 2010)
Bank bonuses while receiving TARP were irresponsible. (May 2010)
OpEd: Establish power to seize companies "too big to fail". (Apr 2010)
Lend $30B in TARP repayments to small businesses. (Jan 2010)
We both cut taxes; but McCain offers $200B to corporations. (Oct 2008)
We need Wall Street responsibility BEFORE financial crises. (Sep 2008)
Voting Record

REAL USA Plan: Reward companies that create domestic jobs. (Jun 2004)
Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on reforming bankruptcy to include means-testing & restrictions. (Mar 2005)
Prevent money laundering by disclosing corporate owners. (May 2008)


Enough of this Bullshit meme now...

[Michigander_Life]

65. You're quick

She's still a DINO and she's still not getting elected. A lot of people thought she had 2008 in the bag, too. But she isn't capable of winning.

[VanillaRhapsody]

66. Nope...you damn skippy I am fast....I am tired of this bullshit....so i keep it handy

69% of Democrats beg to differ on her chances of winning!

[Michigander_Life]

74. Hmmmm

I remember HRC polling well ahead of President Barack Obama in 2006. When it comes down to it, the voters don't want her to be the President. She doesn't have what it takes.

[VanillaRhapsody]

75. that was then....THIS is now....Hillary's respect has grown as SoS!

Yes 69% of Democrats think she has what it takes....AND she knows how to handle the Republicans...unlike PBO who thought he was dealing with honest brokers at first! Hillary is seasoned on that regard

[Michigander_Life]

78. You're setting yourself up for disappointment

Hillary sounds better in the abstract. Just like she did in 2006, she seems strong... But when she actually has to stand next to other candidates, she loses her appeal.

She has the personality of a wet towel. She makes Al Gore seem engaging. She makes
W look like an accomplished orator. She is a Clinton. Simply put, she has too many flaws that will make her unelectable to the presidency (again).

Our best bet is to go all-in with a new, fresh, truly progressive candidate.

[VanillaRhapsody]

89. OH I Am!

that's rich.....and you are basing this assumption on WHAT evidence?

[Michigander_Life]

90. Logic and reality

[VanillaRhapsody]

91. that would require ACTUAL evidence...of which you have none!

I on the other hand have polls showing 69% of Democrats support her!...THAT is evidence...THAT is reality...THAT is logical.

You are being none of the above...

[Michigander_Life]

92. Hehe

The logic and reality is that Hillary is a terrible candidate. She was leading in 2006, too. Remember that?

But then people actually got to see her in debates and in the campaign and she sunk like a stone. Because she's a terrible candidate.

The only differences between 2006 and 2014 are Hillary is 8 years older and has 8 more years of baggage. Oh, and she's already a proven loser.

We need a NEW, FRESH and PROGRESSIVE democratic presidential candidate. Hillary is none of those things.

[JDPriestly]

88. Hillary has a lot of name recognition, but Elizabeth Warren has much greater

human appeal, is a lot more courageous when it comes to standing up for ordinary Americans and does not have all the Clinton baggage.

Did you ever, finally, read Elizabeth Warren's book, A Fighting Chance. If you do, you will understand what a strong, courageous woman she is. She did not marry her way into the White House. She does not have the support of Wall Street. She will have the support of Main Street if she runs.

Hillary wins the polls because she represents a past that Americans know and remember fondly.

But Elizabeth Warren represents the way to a future with new ideas. The two of them are the same age, but Elizabeth Warren has the great ideas.

Hillary is too much of a war hawk, owes to much to Wall Street and has a ton of luggage tied to her back.

The repeal of Glass-Steagall, the signing of NAFTA and the lost jobs that caused, and the list goes on and on. Hillary is polling well now, but if we get behind Elizabeth Warren (and unions for one are), she could win big in 2016. Elizabeth Warren is speaking to the issues and cares of the voting majority of our time. No other potential candidate is doing that with the credibility that Elizabeth Warren has.

[sulphurdunn]

25. The fact that HRC has such high poll numbers

and that progressive candidates don't, just indicates how successful the democrat's right turn has been since 1984. They have essentially become the moderate wing of the Republican Party.

[VanillaRhapsody]

42. Says you....because you think there are people further left than you are...

[sulphurdunn]

58. That makes no sense.

Maybe you could rephrase it for me. Thanks.

[VanillaRhapsody]

60. If there is no one to YOUR left.....then you are IT!

the edge.....get it? And that is where fewer people agree with you...it means you are in a minority.

[sulphurdunn]

70. There are plenty of people to my left.

Most of them will vote for the democrat as a default position. My claim was that the Democratic Party has been moving inexorably to the right, as has the Republican Party. If you assume that those who support HRC are rightists like she is, then you've got your work cut out for you if you mean to prove it rather than just assume it.

[VanillaRhapsody]

71. People MORE Left than you?

and lots of them?

Thats funny since 69% of Democrats support Hillary Clinton!

31% of Democrats and some Anarchists is not a majority!

[sulphurdunn]

84. Well, if only 2/3

of democrats support HRC, you better hope that the leftists and anarchist don't decide to sit out the next election, and so should she, which probably accounts for her recent populist rhetoric. She can't win the election without them, and the left is still smarting from having backed Obama. She's got a pitch to make that would daunt Ron Popeil. Maybe, the republicans will help her by running Jeb Bush. Who knows?

[VanillaRhapsody]

87. its more than 2/3...its damn near 70%...AND this is in a race with 6 or 7 other candidates...

so your math is a bit off...

Her "pitch" also beats ALL Republicans running.....we HAVE power here....

[hrmjustin]

2. The Clintons have gone all over this nation campaigning for democrats.

The Clintons never helped other dems much is completely wrong.

[VanillaRhapsody]

3. In fact not 3 days before the Election I got to see PBO and Bill Clinton speak and appear together

at an outdoor arena in Central Virginia! They were quite cordial and I have the pictures to prove it. The place was packed like sardines and it was like attending a rock concert....

[hrmjustin]

4. As my senator I saw here all the time.

I love her.

[Cooley Hurd]

6. I agree...

Big Dog came to Glens Falls to campaign for Kirsten Gillibrand during her first run for the House in 2006. Got to shake his hand, even!

[hrmjustin]

7. Yes they have been all over the state and country.

[Robbins]

10. Dems

They have been several reports that Bill Clinton only campagins for democrats who supported hillary over obama In 2008.

Of course he campagined for obama In 2012 but that appears to be exception to rule.

[hrmjustin]

11. The Clintons were on the trail for Democrats in 2012 and the cycles before it.

Do you have a name of a Democrat denied?

[VanillaRhapsody]

43. Its his wife....you expected him to campaign for her opponents?

[MineralMan]

55. I call bullshit on that statement.

Yes, I do, indeed.

[Beacool]

24. This..........

I'm beyond tired of the smearing of the Clintons from the Left. There are some issues that may be legitimate, even if I don't agree with all of them, but the treatment they receive from the Left is as bad as what we have come to expect from the Right.

[MineralMan]

5. My concerns are about the 2014 election.

Once that's over, I'll begin thinking about 2016. That seems to me to be the best approach. If we could gain a majority in the House and increase our Senate majority, things would change rather quickly, I think, and President Obama would be busy signing good bills.

Hillary? Well, she's very likely to run in 2016, I think, and it will be very difficult for any other candidate to get the Democratic nomination if she does. But, I'm going to think about that beginning the third week of November this year. There's an election to deal with.

GOTV 2014 and Beyond!

[Robbins]

12. 2014

It was said on ed show that a key dem super pac supporting her will sit out the 2014 election.

There have been reports of Bill Clinton only campagins for dems who supported Hillary In 2008.

Hillary may not do squart to help any Democrats In 2014 and more concerned with selling her book.

[MineralMan]

13. You know, I doubt that very much.

I expect to see both Bill and Hillary out on the campaign trail in 2014. You say no. We'll see who is right, OK? President Obama will also do his share of campaigning for Democratic candidates in 2014, even though he won't be running again.

I think you are incorrect, frankly.

[VanillaRhapsody]

48. And I do too....this guy thinks Bill should have campaigned for his wifes opponents in the primary!

[hrmjustin]

15. How do you know she will do nothing to help Democrats?

[Beacool]

30. All of it is not true.

Ready for Hillary will help out in 2014. The Pac that chose to sit it out was the one that has supported Obama since he ran in 2007, Priorities USA Action. Why blame the Clintons? They don't control either Pac.

Yes, Bill has campaigned in the past for Democrats who supported Hillary in 2008 because she, as SOS, couldn't do it herself. They both have said that they will help Democrats this year.

Your last point is hitting below the belt and only your opinion, not a fact.

[VanillaRhapsody]

44. You expected him to campaign for her opponents? GEEBUS....would YOU campaign against YOUR wife?

[Enthusiast]

8. K&R! I share your concerns.

[SoapBox]

18. Ditto to the K&R as well as the concerns.

[truedelphi]

14. Only problem I see with your concerns - they are not at all shared by the

Pro-Big Banking, Pro-Big War, Pro-Big Surveillance types who used to be known as the DLC.

The party is like that rotten fish.

Express any concerns about Hillary, at least here in Northern Calif., and you can kiss any ability to be part of the Democratic Party good bye.

And that sentiment was already out there in 2012!

[NorthCarolina]

20. The problem for her is that she really only appeals to. just. those. folks.

The right despises her to a fever pitch and will turn out in droves to defeat her, while ironically from a political/ideological standpoint they should like her. Conversely, the left dislikes her because they view her presidency as a third term of the Obama administration which operated far to the right of campaign positions. Given the realities of the day, her projected vote margins are quite over-hyped by the media IMO. She's part of the past, and I think America is on the brink of leaving the past behind.

[Beacool]

32. Yes, because the Right would vote for the darlings of the Left, Sanders and Warren.

Please, give me a break!!!

Besides, she's not the past. She's very up to date and far more qualified than almost anyone who would be in the running. Who else has been in the WH for 8 years, the Senate for another 8 and has served as SOS for 4?

[NorthCarolina]

82. "darlings of the Left, Sanders and Warren"?? 'Darlings'? Really?

LOL...ok, that despicable evil LEFT. Gotcha

[QuestForSense]

38. I think your post hits the nail squarely on the head.

I truly hope you are correct about America being on the brink of leaving the past behind. But I worry a little when I see how stubbornly some folks here cling to the past, how obstinately they defend even the smallest point, and especially how both of those behaviors are what they hate most about the right-wing!

[VanillaRhapsody]

49. ARE you saying that is 69% of Democrats?

because that is the numbers....All the other potentials put together do not equal that!

[VanillaRhapsody]

46. 69% of Democrats seem to disagree with you.....

you are in the minority....DU non withstanding. As I have often said...DU is not representative of the true Democratic electorate.

[NorthCarolina]

81. Time will tell who is in the minority...

and who is not. Maybe me, OR maybe you.

[VanillaRhapsody]

99. Don't need time...you ARE in the minority right now...

69% says so....

[truedelphi]

98. Please do your math a little more carefully, especially with regards to the

Actual inclinations of actual voters.

Pew Research Polling, Spring 2008:

Of all American voters, only 34 to 36% of the electorate actually considered themselves Democrats.

While a mere 22 to 24% considered themselves Republicans.

How do we evaluate this poll in terms of its accuracy? Well, because that following November, 62.5 % of this electorate went to t he polls, a twenty year HIGH of the voters' participation in an election. And because people who were not aligned with the Democrats, and because the Democratic voters themselves voted for Barack Obama, he won the presidency.

Fast forward to late Autumn 2013:

Different polling company (possibly Gallup.) BU Wait for it:

Same exact breakdown.

In other words, if only 69% of the 36% of the electorate want Hillary she can't win, unless most people stay home.

[VanillaRhapsody]

100. So you are counting on Republicans?

They would be the next largest group of the electorate....please check your math!

[truedelphi]

101. Have you considered taking a course in logic?

The stats quoted indicate the LARGEST GROUP is indeed those who are not cheerleaders for either party.

Thirty six percent plus twenty four percent equals sixty percent.

That means that forty percent of all American voters are not aligned with either party.

[VanillaRhapsody]

102. And how many Republican candidates are their right now? And did you consider that Clinton trounces

All of them.....And do you think they are all going to vote with you? None of them will break for the Republican when a woman any woman is on the Dem ticket? Is that what YOU think?

Logic is my bread and butter....

[msongs]

16. we really need another right wing conservative democrat don't we? nt

[DeSwiss]

19. Not hardly.

[VanillaRhapsody]

50. and we won't get one!

HRC 2016!

[NorthCarolina]

86. Crazy wisdom....

another oxymoron.

[SpankMe]

21. The Clintons never helped other Dems much.

...on Venus.

Here on Earth, they've done a lot of campaigning for Dem candidates and provided gobs of pro-Dem policy in their speeches that promote the values of the party.

[Beacool]

33. Exactly!!!

By the time she announced her presidential run in 2007, the Clintons had raise more than 100M for Democrats.

I don't expect every Democrat to support her, but I'm sick to death of the lies and innuendos from the Left. It's bad enough reading that kind of crap from the Right, but I expect better from Democrats.

[Trust Buster]

22. This is pretty silly.

Under our current campaign finance system, any Democratic nominee will have to raise $1 - $2 billion directly and another $1 - $2 billion in outside PAC money. The majority of which will have to come via corporations and wealthy corporation execs. Good luck with that meme.

[Welibs]

23. Hilary Clinton is one of the main architects of the TPP & she attended a Bilderberg meeting in 2008,

with Obama.

Hilary Clinton is another Margaret Thatcher.... but far worse!

[Beacool]

35. Really?

Stop and think what you wrote. Margaret thatcher?

[MineralMan]

51. Yeah, right. Another Margaret Thatcher?

What the heck? Good luck with all that, then...

[VanillaRhapsody]

52. Proof please! 69% of Democrats seem to disagree with you!

The Bilderbergs...seriously?

You do know that is CT right? Your underwear is showing!

[blkmusclmachine]

27. Hillary is associated w/the shadowy, rightwing Cult in DC known as "THE FAMILY," "THE FELLOWSHIP,"

the group that is strongly rumored to have helped author Uganda's genocide KILL THE GAYS bill from last year.

[Beacool]

34. She attended breakfast meetings as First Lady and as Senator,

but she was not a member of the Family. That's a LW smear as insidious as some of the stuff put out by the Right.

[VanillaRhapsody]

54. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Ask Rachel Maddow about that!

You guys I swear....You claim to be Democrats but latch on to any conspiracy theory!

[MissDeeds]

28. I have concerns about her, too

I want a Democrat in the White House, not a third way tool or a DINO, or a Trojan horse...an honest to god Democrat.

[VanillaRhapsody]

68. proof please.....

[MissDeeds]

72. Proof about what????

That I want a real Democrat? Okay, here's proof..."I WANT A REAL DEMOCRAT."

Signed, MissDeeds

WTH???

[VanillaRhapsody]

73. since 69% of ACTUAL Democrats support her as a REAL Democrat....perhaps YOUR definition is off!

[MissDeeds]

76. You need to chill the hell out

and stop attacking every poster on this thread that doesn't support your chosen candidate. We still have a long way to go and the primaries haven't happened yet. I will support any Democratic candidate I choose. If that is a problem for you, bite me. This is still a democracy.

[wolfie001]

31. My only concern now is......

.....she doesn't lambaste the Replug nominee by AT LEAST 20 points.

[lostincalifornia]

36. Most of what you say are valid, but the fact is no one else who might run even comes close to the

Poll numbers she has both in the primary and general elections

Also, she has started to talk about global warming, admitted her mistake about the IWR and other things that sound good

[tularetom]

37. My support for Hillary in 2016 depends on her support for Democrats in 2014

If she really has aspirations of being a successful president, she needs to be out there right friggin now making speeches in favor of Democratic senate and congressional candidates. She'll need a solidly Democratic congress if she wants to get jack shit done because the republicans hate her guts almost as bad as they hate Obama,

She shouldn't be spending her time plugging her book, defending her actions re Benghazi, or giving speeches at Goldman Sachs for $250k a pop. She should be on the campaign trail giving visible support to good Dems and convincing those of us who are skeptical that she isn't owned by the Pentagon and Wall Street.

It's only June and she has five months to get out there and show she has the party's interests at heart. She can do it if she really wants to.

Oh, not that she cares but the one thing she could do that would guarantee a contribution from me? Get a divorce. The idea of Bill Clinton wandering around the White House sticking his nose into everything that goes on there ought to scare the crap out of anybody.

[VanillaRhapsody]

69. WTF do you think she is going to do....campaign for Republicans?

You think she doesn't prefer a Democratic House and Senate to bolster her success? Do you think she is nuts too?

[tularetom]

80. We'll have to wait and see, won't we?

Of course I don't think she'll campaign for republicans. Where did I even suggest that. I'm talking about how vigorously she campaigns for Democrats.

Hopefully, she'll be out there busting her ass this summer to elect Democrats in November. Particularly in the Senate, where those elected this year will be in office for her entire term in office (or 1st term should she be re-elected in 2020).

And by Democrats, I'm talking all Democrats, not just turd way DINO types who worship bipartisanship. We've heard enough of that bullshit over the past five years.

[Thinkingabout]

77. If she is wanting a Democrat president whether she decides to run or not

Would mean very little without a Democratic Congress. So if you are basing your support on Hillary depending on the Clinton support in the 2014 elections then go ahead and declare for Hillary.

[Trajan]

39. As one who dislikes the knee jerk Obama sycophants in DU

I have to say that this notion, that 'some want a coronation' ... it's fucking malarkey ...

This who actually seek a 'coronation' is so minuscule a group ... such a scant few members ... it hardly warrants a thought, nevermind a serious thread in DU ...

More B.S. propagated as a serious 'concern' ....

Ptoooey !

[AgingAmerican]

67. Sounds personal

nt

[glinda]

79. My concerns are about the environment and so far my response is "no".

[Thinkingabout]

83. I see negative post about Hillary concerning Wall Street and have ask several

Who has the funds to step up and donate in order to by pass Wall Street and I am still waiting for those to step up and declare. There has to be big bucks to run for president.

Next, Hillary has fought long and hard for humane treatment of women, not only in the US but many other countries. It may come as a shock but Hillary and Bill spent some of their college days in the streets protesting so the protests of recent is not a new event.

Yes, she has been on Walmart board, might be because of her knowledge and ability. Am I happy WalMart pays their employees so little, no, but getting those of like mind of Hillary on all boards is how companies can change policies.

[Mike Nelson]

85. All true, but...

...imagine the damage done by another Republican in the White House.

[Jim Lane]

93. I'd prefer to see a progressive nominee but I'll offer one tiny bit of praise for Clinton.

In the quite plausible scenario that the field includes Clinton and an opponent to her left, I'll vote for that opponent in the primary. In the general election, I'll vote for the Democratic nominee.

The tiny bit of praise: Andrew Cuomo will run if and only if Clinton doesn't. A Clinton candidacy would at least keep Cuomo at bay, and he'd be an even worse President than she would.

[struggle4progress]

94. She won't run in 2016. She likes being a private citizen

[JoeyT]

95. The most concerning thing about her,

even if I'd never heard of her before, is the people defending her tells me it's something I want no part of.

[hrmjustin]

96. She said in her ABC interview she is going to help in the Mid-terms.

[tabbycat31]

97. Truth be told

Obama did not help other Dems much election wise (I was running field for a congressional in a swing state in 2012 and OFA would not play nicely with us despite my counterpart becoming a good friend of mine)

While in some districts the president had coattails, their campaign didn't identify for downticket races and didn't coordinate efforts with them.

[HooptieWagon]

103. DLC 2.0 = "Compassionate Corporatism"

[sellitman]

104. I never liked the way she attacked Obama

She was a nasty campaigner. Some of the time I thought she was overboard.

I'd love to see a Real Primary. I doubt that will happen but I can dream.

In the end if she is the pick she will have my support but until then phooee!