Forget about Zimmerman's head and the absence of blood there.

[pnwmom]

(Although I think that's a big problem for the defense.)

If he had a bloody nose and his head was being bashed against the concrete, then why didn't the police find any blood ON THE CONCRETE?

Some people here have said maybe the paramedics "cleaned him up" before the police brought him to the station. Did the paramedics clean up the sidewalk, too?

Where's the blood evidence on the concrete? Did the police bother to preserve the scene?

[CanonRay]

1. Did they launder his shirt too?

and get the bloodstains out? I've busted my nose twice, and there is blood on everything.

[summerschild]

16. And if Trayvon had him pinned down

when he pulled out the gun and shot him, why wasn't his shirt covered with blood from Trayvon's wound?
Doesn't a 9mm handgun create a pretty big wound to bleed?

[CanonRay]

31. Blood would just explode out of a 9mm chest wound, especially at close range.

I would think that anywhere under 5 feet, he'd had at least splatters, in not a lot of the victim's blood on him. I couldn't see any. Our first day on the range in law enforcemennt academy they had us shoot a gallon of water to simulate a human chest. It literally exploded and that was from 25 feet. Scares the crap out of you when you're handling a weapon, which is what it is supposed to do.

[summerschild]

35. I took a fall while walking the dog and broke my nose

two blocks from home. By the time I got home I was drenched with blood - all down the front even into my shoes. I guess some people can bleed more freely than others but still it's hard to imagine no visible blood on the shirt from a "broken" nose.

I've tried to visualize how Trayvon (a hundred pounds lighter) managed to land a punch that knocked Zimmerman completely down and straddle and hold him down while banging his head on the concrete as Zimmerman claimed.

If Zimmerman pulled the gun while that was going on and Trayvon began to retreat as a result (putting distance between the two) seems it would indicate Trayvon was again trying to get away from him, not threatening him.

[coeur_de_lion]

36. any injury to the head or face bleeds a lot

because the capillaries are so close to the skin. He wasn't hurt. Not bad enough to shoot someone.

If the kid punched him it was probably self defense and he had it coming.

[hexola]

2. It was raining that night...

So - perhaps hard to preserve...

[pnwmom]

4. Concrete is porous, so blood would stain it. I don't think some rain would wash it all away.

Besides, it's a police job to preserve the crime scene using photographs.

[hexola]

5. Is it? - I dont know Sanford PD crime scene policy...nor do I know how hard it was raining.

Yes its porous - but if it was raining - the concrete would already be saturated - so the blood would be more likely to wash away...

[brush]

18. Blood washed away?

If the blood was washed away, there still should have been bandages on zimmerman's head. And you don't get out of a police car unassisted, while handcuffed, without any visible signs of injury from having your head bashed against concrete. As a matter of fact, if your head is bashed repeatedly (zimmerman's claim) against concrete, you wouldn't get up at all unassisted. You'd most likely be knocked cold or even killed. Yet zimmerman didn't even bleed enough to have a bandage as he walked unassisted into the police station. Bull crap!

[HooptieWagon]

3. EMTs contaminated the crime scene, I read. Nt

[julian09]

7. Why don't they produce the EMTs

was there any blood in the police car?

[zbdent]

13. so why wasn't it the EMTs who "cleaned up" GZ?

Last I heard, the "police cleaned up GZ" ...

[hexola]

14. You heard wrong - read the report.

Zimm was secured, placed in a cruiser, and then treated when SFD arrived.

[janx]

19. Yes. According to the police report, there were no EMTs required.

The Sanford Fire Department treated superficial wounds.

[hexola]

20. I think SFD and EMT are the same here...

Im assuming they didnt send a fire truck...

[HooptieWagon]

22. Yes, it was SFD. I dont know if they are EMT or Paramedic. But yes, the ambulance call was cancalled

[hexola]

23. I think it was the SECOND ambulance that was cancelled.

The report about the arrival of SFD is pretty clear.

[janx]

25. From the police reports, there was no therapeutic activity re Zimmerman

other than the Fire Department. A little gauze, perhaps? A Q-tip with alcohol? Some glue?

[hexola]

26. So what is the distinction you are reaching for?

Not sure how using the word "therapeutic" adds any distinction?

[janx]

27. This guy wasn't taken to a hospital.

I question the severity of his injuries; that's all. We'll learn this if there is a trial, and if there is one...I'm just hoping for a reasonable jury.

[HooptieWagon]

30. I dont know how Sanford or Seminole Co emergency response is structured

I assume its pretty similar to here in Tampa Bay area. First response is FD, I dont know if they are EMTs or Paramedics... or even the difference. They stabilize at the scene, but dont transport. Transport to a hospital is by private ambulance. Since Trayvon was pronounced dead, and Zimmy did not require or refused transport to a hospital, ambulance transport not necessary. The first responders (SFD) probably didnt come by ambulance, probably a large fire rescue truck.

[hexola]

28. Its referred to as "SFD Rescue 38" - sounds like an ambulance to me...

And the report clearly says Rescue 38 tended to the "subject laying on the ground" - Trayvon...

[HiPointDem]

29. Sanford Fire Department Rescue #38 sounds like a fire dept aide vehicle. I don't think it's an

ambulance. Ambulances these days are either attached to a hospital or private. Nothing to do with the fire dept, I think.

He was given aide by SFD = by Sanford Fire Department.

[hexola]

32. Resuce 38 also tended to Trayvon

...And where I live in PA - Ambulances are part of the Fire Co...or are at least in the same building and dispatched from there.

[HiPointDem]

33. My understanding of an ambulance is that it's a vehicle that transports people to the hospital.

My understanding of a rescue unit is that it's emergency medical services -- basic services and/or stabilize people until they can be transported to a hospital.

Located in Seminole County, Florida, Sanford is the county seat. Over 22 square miles in size, with a population of over 50,000 The Sanford Fire Department operates 3 stations, 9 units consisting of 3 engines, one tower, 3 ALS rescues, one battalion and a dive/rescue.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/fire/


Advanced Life Support (ALS) is a set of life-saving protocols and skills that extend Basic Life Support to further support the circulation and provide an open airway and adequate ventilation (breathing).



An ALS Rescue Unit of Palm Beach County Fire-Rescue used for EMS in Palm Beach County, Florida.

[HooptieWagon]

34. Thanx for the picture

Im guessing SFD responded in a similar vehicle. Had transport to the hospital been needed for Trayvon or Zimmy, it most likely would have been by private ambulance service.

[jpgray]

6. While I've never had my head bashed into concrete

I find it very difficult to imagine how that would work outside of the movies. With somebody resisting, it would seem to be difficult if not impossible to repeatedly bash his head into the concrete. When I try to picture how it would occur, my brain just can't come up with much of anything convincing unless one person was utterly subdued and helpless.

[julian09]

10. Half hour after killing someone, he was at police station

no sign of trama, shirt tucked in, seemed undaunted that he just killed someone. He walked at fast pace from police car to station.

[easttexaslefty]

11. I've had my head bashed on concrete

by my ex, many years ago. The only way he could keep me down & continue the attack is because he was bigger & stronger. Still, I managed,somehow to wiggle away & get to the phone. I didn't talk to the dispatcher, he pulled the phone out of the wall before I did, but I did connect to 911 long enough for them to get an address.
My head didn't bleed but I did have a sizable lump on the back of my head & i did require a trip to the hospital.

[hexola]

12. Worth noting that Zimm has a very short crew cut...it would almost be skin on concrete.

Im sure a nice head of hair would make a good buffer from abrasions...but since Zimm has no hair - and no visible abrasions...well...

[pnwmom]

15. Exactly. Plus, he had a bloody nose, according to the police report. So where was the blood?

[Life Long Dem]

8. The father said George was shimmying away from the concrete to the grass lawn.

Here Trayvon let me use all my fighting energy to move to the lawn so you can smash my head there instead of on the concrete.

[rfranklin]

9. the father has no firsthand knowledge and cannot be cited for any evidence...

he knows his boy is guilty and is muddying the waters and influencing potential jurors.

[rustydog]

17. It was raining, blood would have been greatly diminished of not completely washed away

Head wounds bleed profusely (especially when one's head has been "bashed repeatedly" against concrete.)
the head is on top of the torso, blood should have flowed onto his shirt front, back of his jacket, on his neck, upper lip, bloody teeth.

Don't forget the head wound, it is VERY important.

[ecstatic]

21. Regardless of any of that, Zimmerman killed a boy within 2 minutes of being told

to stand down. None of the rest of it matters--the blood doesn't matter, the screams don't even matter. A boy was walking home, got stopped by Z, and is now dead.

[janx]

24. Yes, he was told to leave the kid alone. n/t