Thu May 29, 2014, 08:14 AM

Edward Snowden made a calm, compelling case for clemency last night. He's a patriot.

He was searing in his sincerity. He went through his own revelations - from 9/11, the bullshit of the Iraq War, seeing how the government spies on US - on EVERYONE. The kangaroo spy courts. The lies.

They can get into your phones? Why should the government be able to do that?

Quite a contrast to the wild-eyed, (botoxed) threatening John Kerry yesterday. Man up, really?

Or the admitted liar ("least untruthful"

James Clapper.

Edward Snowden made a case to come home. The government should hire him to work to put in controls. Do some community service. But guarantee his safety. And thank him.

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Edward Snowden made a calm, compelling case for clemency last night. He's a patriot. (Original post)	chimpymustgo	May 2014	OP
This is a rule of thumb I usually abide by.	randome	May 2014	#1
Brian William, a TV guy, has more inside info than the guy who actually did the work for NSA?	merrily	May 2014	#54
It's more like what Snowden did NOT provide: evidence.	randome	May 2014	#103
my post went to a dfifferent point. But, you think he owes someone proof of something? Why?	merrily	May 2014	#113
When you steal national security documents and run from the country...	randome	May 2014	#116
Did he disturb your comfortable denial bubble? You think the NSA is using their unlimited budget	rhett o rick	May 2014	#169
Snowden Did Well	liberalmike27	May 2014	#221
I have no idea what the 1% versus the 99% has to do with this.	randome	May 2014	#222
You polled "every country on the planet"? The authoritarian leaders all hate Snowden.	rhett o rick	May 2014	#226
I don't trust the NSA. I never said I did.	randome	May 2014	#227
Now we are getting down to it. You dont like Snowden for a number of reasons.	rhett o rick	May 2014	#230
I'm sorry to barge in on the conversation, but	War Horse	May 2014	#255
IOW, he owes no one any proof or even any explanation.	merrily	May 2014	#191
Sure, anyone can shoot off their mouth. I'll give Snowden that.	randome	May 2014	#220
IOW, Snowden has no obligation to prove anything to anyone.	merrily	May 2014	#245
He doesn't present the evidence because he did not take it with him to Russia.	JDPriestly	May 2014	#174
Seems that he doesnt have any evidence to take anywhere....nt	Cryptoad	May 2014	#199
+1	uponit7771	May 2014	#122
You make good points but there is no way to know what the	arthritisR_US	May 2014	#127
Fair point.	randome	May 2014	#135
at least in theory	ohheckyeah	May 2014	#173
If he found improprieties, why didn't he get evidence of it?	randome	May 2014	#223
I think the phone records metadata	ohheckyeah	May 2014	#242
Lol, the telecoms have admitted what they are doing for the Govt. Now that they have been exposed	sabrina 1	May 2014	#225
They have been 'exposed' since 2006 when we knew metadata storage was part of the NSA.	randome	May 2014	#229
But... but... Kerry said we should not like him! Obama did too! n/t	ReverendDeuce	May 2014	#2
Have a link to OP's or news articles directly quoting	DonViejo	May 2014	#26
Kerry said "he is a traitor"	muriel_volestrangler	May 2014	#50
Thanks for the link, much appreciated! eom	DonViejo	May 2014	#114
So they called him a traitor.	zeemike	May 2014	#63
Who are you addressing with this comment? eom	DonViejo	May 2014	#115
Your post #26 eom	zeemike	May 2014	#130
I asked a simple question...	DonViejo	May 2014	#136
I know you were just asking the question	zeemike	May 2014	#159
They called Thomas Drake a traitor too, which he wasn't. nt	arthritisR_US	May 2014	#137
Kerry said nothing like that.	treestar	May 2014	#66
This is the height of entertainment	ProSense	May 2014	#3
Snowden really helped his case. The interview is changing minds too - for people willing to think.	chimpymustgo	May 2014	#4
Brian Williams is not stupid	malaise	May 2014	#5
He and the other analysts tore Snowden apart after the interview. n/t	ProSense	May 2014	#12
Look he's a tool, a classic opportunist	malaise	May 2014	#16
Yet he got the interview. Greenwald	ProSense	May 2014	#47
Yes, he got the interview. Is that supposed to prove something?	merrily	May 2014	#59
Totally predictable. Media is notoriously pro-establishment--and chicken.	merrily	May 2014	#64
I didn't see that. Do you know if it was posted online? nt	arthritisR_US	May 2014	#132
You are so right. A whole bunch of people are going to look stupid - and traitorous.	chimpymustgo	May 2014	#55
Really?	ProSense	May 2014	#6
If you can't kill the message, kill the messenger.	JDPriestly	May 2014	#177
It's changing minds, all right.	MADem	May 2014	#182
They are just pulling crap from every orifice today. I'd like to see proof of "changing minds".	Tarheel_Dem	May 2014	#239
COMCAST/XFINITY are showcasing it in their ON DEMAND menu.	MADem	May 2014	#240
Thanks for that synopsis. I can't bear to watch him or GG, so I appreciate it. I think Bill Maher	Tarheel_Dem	May 2014	#243
how can you judge him if you won't even...	grasswire	May 2014	#249
You didn't watch it, yet you are passing judgment on his performance?	Squinch	May 2014	#253
"His performance"? Is that what it was? My mind was already made up.	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2014	#256
How very Republican.	Squinch	Jun 2014	#257
I think you may have confused me with GG & Snowey, the Repub...er, I mean Libertarians.	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2014	#258
Well, no. I am basing my opinion on your words in this thread. So not mistaking you for anyone.	Squinch	Jun 2014	#259
How 'bout this one?	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2014	#261
"The interview is changing minds too - for people willing to think". Is this just a hunch, or is...	Tarheel_Dem	May 2014	#238
Nope. Not according to this "scientific" poll. MUST! TRY! HARDER!	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2014	#262
People committed themselves to him the day his name came out	treestar	May 2014	#65
Nailed it...	SidDithers	May 2014	#101
And Authoritarians hated him the day his name came out.	former9thward	May 2014	#163
We aren't authoritarians for thinking he should face what he did	treestar	May 2014	#164
He would argue, and I would agree, that he acted to protect the Constitution.	JDPriestly	May 2014	#180
No, the jury pool has NOT been prejudiced. Most people didn't watch Snowden OR Kerry on TV.	MADem	May 2014	#241
NAILED It! n/t	wildbilln864	May 2014	#170
If I was in deep trouble, realized that I didn't want to live in Russia any longer, but...	George II	May 2014	#120
That's a good point. nt	arthritisR_US	May 2014	#140
As an American, I think that upholding the Constitution is more impotant than	JDPriestly	May 2014	#181
You really hate these posts! Especially the recs! LOL! Nt	Logical	Jun 2014	#263
Rapid response team 3.. 2..	Capt. Obvious	May 2014	#7
LOL! Anyone who responds negatively is part of a conspiracy.	KittyWampus	May 2014	#9
LOL YOUR WORDS NOT MINE	Capt. Obvious	May 2014	#10
Only someone who is part of the conspiracy would dismiss the conspiracy!	randome	May 2014	#11
Na na na! I can't hear you!!	Generic Other	May 2014	#19
Not me. I couldn't care less if the NSA continues to exist or not.	randome	May 2014	#34
I was agreeing with you	Generic Other	May 2014	#40
Or I need to work on my interpretive skills.	randome	May 2014	#46
Thats the point he hasn't shown what they did do...	Historic NY	May 2014	#57
We know know that massive amounts of data have been collected and stored, that it can be accessed at	merrily	May 2014	#71
I have the capability to eavesdrop outside your door. Any evidence I am doing that?	randome	May 2014	#118
If you eavesdropped outside someone's door, that person would have the capacity to call the	JDPriestly	May 2014	#183
No, he describes the Snowdenites	treestar	May 2014	#68
Sometimes it is not about Obama	Generic Other	May 2014	#212
Yes! and I see today they have a new talking point as well! nt	Mojorabbit	May 2014	#119
And where did I get my talking point?	Generic Other	May 2014	#211
Um I was agreeing with you	Mojorabbit	May 2014	#232
Thank you for clarifying	Generic Other	May 2014	#244
What was the code name for Putin again?	treestar	May 2014	#107
"Shirtless Bear Wrassler". nt	Jamaal510	May 2014	#167
It's like they really resent disagreement on this	treestar	May 2014	#67
Is it different from your posts 67 and 68?	merrily	May 2014	#79
Yes. I didn't start an OP to talk about posters in a different OP.	treestar	May 2014	#82
So, the difference between grade school-like posts and other kinds is geography, not content?	merrily	May 2014	#92
Could you please explain what remains of the Fourth Amendment once the NSA has the authority	JDPriestly	May 2014	#184
A worthless piece of paper	Generic Other	May 2014	#213
It's so sad.	JDPriestly	May 2014	#234
It always takes a bit of time before they get the email with the latest talking points...	backscatter712	May 2014	#48
Vapid response team in 3..2..	Bobbie Jo	May 2014	#69
YAWN	Capt. Obvious	May 2014	#78
Stay vigilant	Bobbie Jo	May 2014	#91
So that's it then, You decide and we must agree? I didn't know I was in Freeperland...	themaguffin	May 2014	#142
We're all living in Freeperland!	Generic Other	May 2014	#214
Why would he need clemency?	Progressive dog	May 2014	#8
The excuses are all over the place.	ProSense	May 2014	#31
He needs presidential pardon to absolve him of all possible charges	on point	May 2014	#33
If Snowden needs a pardon, he must be guilty	Progressive dog	May 2014	#41
No, one is never guilty until found in court of law. Presumption of innocense	on point	May 2014	#56
A pardon means you are guilty	treestar	May 2014	#73
No. The presumption of innocence means that the prosecution has to prove a case in the first place,	merrily	May 2014	#105
He doesn't need a pardon. He needs a deal. Let his lawyers figure it out.	JDPriestly	May 2014	#186
Did you mean to reply to me? My post was not about needing a pardon or not.	merrily	May 2014	#188
Well, that is true but	Progressive dog	May 2014	#252
In fact, he would get so much attention	treestar	May 2014	#72
Snowden would NOT be given a Jury Trial.	bvar22	May 2014	#156
Of course he would be given a jury trial, if he wanted that. Why would you think he would not? nt	msanthrope	May 2014	#160
He has the right to trial by jury	treestar	May 2014	#165
Sounds to me like you should be emabarrassed	Progressive dog	May 2014	#251
He could not get a fair trial. The jury pool has been prejudiced against him by the careless	JDPriestly	May 2014	#185
Sixty percent say he's a patriot	Progressive dog	May 2014	#250
He - and Daniel Ellsberg - have explained that clearly. But I like his going to the court of public	chimpymustgo	May 2014	#58
When is Daniel Ellsburg getting out of prison,	Progressive dog	May 2014	#97
He could argue he complied with the whistleblower law	treestar	May 2014	#70
Did he say he wanted to be a hero to America?	merrily	May 2014	#75
True. Maybe he doesn't care	treestar	May 2014	#77
Really? I don't think he's a hero for refusing to come back, but I understand why he doesn't.	merrily	May 2014	#81
He would not get a life sentence. He was charged with	treestar	May 2014	#148
He's been called a traitor by the highest officials of the US and can still be charged with treason.	merrily	May 2014	#189
But he and many Americans believe he did what he did to protect the Constitution.	JDPriestly	May 2014	#187
As at least one FISA court judge finally began to suggest, the courts are complicit.	merrily	May 2014	#196
Snowdens hypocrisy is not giving America a say on HIS actions via justice system but we should	uponit7771	May 2014	#126
You may want to check the definition of hypocrisy.	merrily	May 2014	#208
And of course General "Star Trek" Bridge Commander Alexander	Generic Other	May 2014	#217
this is an ignorant post	grasswire	May 2014	#139
That is an excellent point. The reality of him being able to defend	arthritisR_US	May 2014	#143
NO, he is charged in open court	treestar	May 2014	#149
you are absolutely wrong.	grasswire	May 2014	#152
It's in the interest of national security that our government make a deal with him.	JDPriestly	May 2014	#190
? He's never claimed he broke no laws, has he?	merrily	May 2014	#74
He'made lots of claims, I can't keep track of them. eom	Progressive dog	May 2014	#96
Seems to be a lot of that making claims and making up claims going around on	merrily	May 2014	#99
+1	uponit7771	May 2014	#124
NBC did about as much for him as they could.	ucrdem	May 2014	#13
He came off as bastshit crazy.	MohRokTah	May 2014	#14
duly noted	frylock	May 2014	#125
I didn't get the sincerity vibe. At all.	ecstatic	May 2014	#15
Agreed. I don't think he did himself	Bobbie Jo	May 2014	#39
And Kerry hasn't finished...	CanSocDem	May 2014	#17
Kerry was and has been an embarrassment all around	Generic Other	May 2014	#20
Sez someone who couldn't hold a candle to Kerry in the public arena and how he has positively	blm	May 2014	#35
A candle that simply blows where the wind blows	Generic Other	May 2014	#36
He was spot on about Snowden.	ProSense	May 2014	#43
Agreeing with Obama's take when you work for Obama does not equal being "spot on."	merrily	May 2014	#197
Sez someone who doesn't know much about the last 4 decades of this nation's REAL history.	blm	May 2014	#44
Ah, so you're the one who got the real history book.	merrily	May 2014	#198
I guess they didn't read about cheating the vote in Ohio	Generic Other	May 2014	#218
Yup...keyboard warrior Snowden's the one with guts now	BeyondGeography	May 2014	#49
keyboard warrior?	Union Scribe	May 2014	#145
Well, it did take guts to snooker his co-workers into giving him their passwords	BeyondGeography	May 2014	#146
again, you're not getting that phrase.	Union Scribe	May 2014	#147
It's true...I need a proper term	BeyondGeography	May 2014	#150
Well, that's the correct term, either. Snowden did not steal "anonymously."	merrily	May 2014	#200
He was better than Murder Monkey, though that's not saying much. n/t	backscatter712	May 2014	#45
Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning affectively made conscious decisions	Ninga	May 2014	#18
A jury of his peers	Generic Other	May 2014	#23
Even if you follow the law, whistleblowing is still a risky business (no movie pun intended)	merrily	May 2014	#201
Is he still willing...	Adrahil	May 2014	#21
And the Nazis who tried to bring down Hitler?	Generic Other	May 2014	#25
That's a bit of a stretch.	olegramps	May 2014	#89
So if he ends his days in solitary	Generic Other	May 2014	#210
That response only reveals you lack of faith in the nation.	olegramps	May 2014	#224
The US government has been utterly dysfunctional since Reagan	Generic Other	May 2014	#228
The situation will not rectified by giving up on government, but by correction.	olegramps	May 2014	#247
One can love the land	Generic Other	May 2014	#248
Are you arguing that US Foreign intelligence operation=Nazis?	Adrahil	May 2014	#95
At least you have thought about it	Generic Other	May 2014	#215
Like school in the summer time, no class	uponit7771	May 2014	#128
Bless your heart	Generic Other	May 2014	#216
NBC had a graphic on the morning talk show...	MelungeonWoman	May 2014	#22
I was completely Snowden agnostic before the interview	vi5	May 2014	#52
He did come off way better than John Kerry did.	Autumn	May 2014	#24
I didn't see the interview and care little about Snowden. At this point he's a distraction ....	Scuba	May 2014	#27
Snowden and PBS both feel we need to be educated about Gov survalance...	Ninga	May 2014	#32
How about a graphic with Snowden's other interpretation of those who steal and run?	randome	May 2014	#37
Knock yourself out.	Scuba	May 2014	#38
Bingo! The more anyone makes it about Snowden and/or Greenwald, the less they make it	merrily	May 2014	#195
Tell me which elected politicians have humbled themselves	Generic Other	May 2014	#28
And award him Medal of Freedom for service to the country	on point	May 2014	#29
It made a few paragraphs on page 19 of the New York Times	frazzled	May 2014	#30
He did very well. Throughly decent person and super-smart.	Smarmie Doofus	May 2014	#42
super smart? an average intelligent person would have gone to a country for asylum first before	lostincalifornia	May 2014	#90
You're throwing around a lot of highly subjective words in your post.	Avalux	May 2014	#51
Russia might jump at the chance, but Snowden claims he had no documents to put into their hands.	ancianita	May 2014	#80
Of course he claims that, but how do we know?	Avalux	May 2014	#87
Why shouldn't we? Why should we trust Clapper and the NSA or Kerry or the White House?	ancianita	May 2014	#94
bring down our government?	grasswire	May 2014	#155
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!	Enthusiast	May 2014	#53
A patriot would not have given information to anyone which has been received by foreign countries.	Thinkingabout	May 2014	#60
He's not my hero, but I don't think you know whether the information that foreign countries got	merrily	May 2014	#62
It could have been and that's bad enough	uponit7771	May 2014	#129
No, it really isn't. Telling someone something they already know is a non-event, not a crime.	merrily	May 2014	#192
He handed the documents to two American citizens, not foreign countries. Get your facts straight.	ancianita	May 2014	#83
ummm, Chinese media = Chinese government... there's no one who beleives they're seperate	uponit7771	May 2014	#131
What? Snowden turned over docs to Americans. Do you have some 'in' with Chinese intel?	ancianita	May 2014	#144
Link? I've seen that claim before, but could not find a link to support it.	merrily	May 2014	#193
On the facts, he gave information Merkel had conversations monitored, she is from Germany,	Thinkingabout	May 2014	#161
Merkel, an ALLY, found out what was in docs he took from the NSA.	ancianita	May 2014	#162
Merkel didn't know she was monitoring? And she didn't know the US knew about her monitoring?	merrily	May 2014	#194
Giving info to someone who already has it is a national security problem?	merrily	May 2014	#203
Is China a part of the US? He provided information of our monitoring of China.	Thinkingabout	May 2014	#206
Who said China (or Germany) was part of the US? Also, do you have a link on China? Please see #193	merrily	May 2014	#207
Traitor - Patriot	rtracey	May 2014	#61
If you found files on your work computer that showed your company was committing crimes	zeemike	May 2014	#76
Sorry, i dont see the logic	rtracey	May 2014	#108
So mass surveillance of the American people, against the constitution	zeemike	May 2014	#134
He learned of something that he thought Americans should know.	merrily	May 2014	#209
Like not exposing Enron and the calls about	Generic Other	May 2014	#219
He is no patriot, and he is an idiot also for not getting to a country where he wanted asylum first	lostincalifornia	May 2014	#84
He was SMART not to want his plane grounded by US intervention.Presidents of 5 S. American countries	ancianita	May 2014	#98
Did you read my blurb? Secure the country then release the documents	lostincalifornia	May 2014	#151
Post removed	Post removed	May 2014	#85
I see the too-much-time-on-their-hands crowd has arrived	Android3.14	May 2014	#86
When did it become acceptable to attack the personal appearance of someone one disagrees with?	George II	May 2014	#88
The attacks on Kerry are funny because it's often said it is not about Eddie	treestar	May 2014	#104
Just marveling at Kerry's descent into ridiculousness.	chimpymustgo	May 2014	#171
Had Edward Snowden happened under a President Mitt Romney	Puzzledtraveller	May 2014	#93
It's pretty much in complete harmony anyway.	Smarmie Doofus	May 2014	#100
Nobody would be paying any attention	treestar	May 2014	#111
they'd be onboard if it was any other Democratic prez too	Skittles	May 2014	#112
No. In that scenario, Snowden would have picked up a gun and shot himself in the balls.	randome	May 2014	#117
Lol.	Puzzledtraveller	May 2014	#153
BULL FUCKING SHIT!!!	uponit7771	May 2014	#133
You assume a great deal.	Ikonoklast	May 2014	#158
He did? I watched basketball.	OKNancy	May 2014	#102
The interview had an impact	smallcat88	May 2014	#106
Snowden	johnny156	May 2014	#109
But he is a Double Naught Spy~	MohRokTah	May 2014	#121
Umm, no. No he is not a patriot.	gcomeau	May 2014	#110
I thought Snowden made his case pretty well, given the format.	bluedigger	May 2014	#123
Thanks for your candor. It was important for Americans to see and hear Snowden unfiltered.	chimpymustgo	May 2014	#141
There is only a handful that bash him,	bvar22	May 2014	#157
Paid is my guess.	Jakes Progress	May 2014	#172
Amazing, how they expect us to ignore the treatment of whistleblowers	dougolat	May 2014	#176
libertarians strike me as very odd.	stonecutter357	May 2014	#138
patsy	Whisp	May 2014	#154
I watched the NBC interview. Snowden came out looking good.	Autumn	May 2014	#166
He served the interests of humanity which includes Americans, as for the patriotism...	carolinayellowdog	May 2014	#168
At DU, is really about exalting the US's interests above everyone else's? If	merrily	May 2014	#205
Snowden is worse than a billion Hitlers	nikto	May 2014	#175
Well, I'm glad you saw it. Hopefully, the audience in his new country was bigger.	Tarheel_Dem	May 2014	#178
I don't watch anything political on television.	djean111	May 2014	#202
Then what was this PR stunt for if not to change American minds? Isn't this to build support for...	Tarheel_Dem	May 2014	#233
I really think that Snowden does not have a "fan club" at all - there is just the ridiculous charge	djean111	May 2014	#235
In other words, you don't care what your fellow Americans think. Got it!	Tarheel_Dem	May 2014	#236
I hatesss to pull a Godwin, but just blindly following what all one's other countrymen think can be	djean111	May 2014	#237
Please tell me you are not implying that the low ratings reflect badly on Snowden.	merrily	May 2014	#204
I know. I feel your pain. It is sad, isn't it?	Tarheel_Dem	May 2014	#231
Sorry you're hurting, but it's not my pain you're feeling. I'm not in any pain.	merrily	May 2014	#246
,	blkmusclmachine	May 2014	#179
He just needs to come home and make	Progressive dog	May 2014	#254
The purpose of the government is to protect the 1% from the threat of democracy.	Zorra	Jun 2014	#260
That was probably the first time most people	woo me with science	Jun 2014	#264
Um. Not so much.	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2014	#265
Actually, polls have pretty consistently indicated that Americans distrust NSA spying	woo me with science	Jun 2014	#266
Oh, there's more than one, and they all say the same thing.	Tarheel_Dem	Jun 2014	#267

Response to chimpymustgo (Original post)

Thu May 29, 2014, 08:16 AM

randome (34,845 posts)

1. This is a rule of thumb I usually abide by.

When someone tells you they are a hero, they generally aren't.

Brian Williams called it correctly last night: Snowden confuses what technology is capable of doing with what the NSA actually does.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

Edward Snowden made a calm, compelling case for clemency last night. He's a patriot.

1. This is a rule of thumb I usually abide by.

54. Brian William, a TV guy, has more inside info than the guy who actually did the work for NSA?

103. It's more like what Snowden did NOT provide: evidence.

113. my post went to a dfifferent point. But, you think he owes someone proof of something? Why?

116. When you steal national security documents and run from the country...

169. Did he disturb your comfortable denial bubble? You think the NSA is using their unlimited budget

221. Snowden Did Well

222. I have no idea what the 1% versus the 99% has to do with this.

226. You polled "every country on the planet"? The authoritarian leaders all hate Snowden.

227. I don't trust the NSA. I never said I did.

230. Now we are getting down to it. You dont like Snowden for a number of reasons.

255. I'm sorry to barge in on the conversation, but

191. IOW, he owes no one any proof or even any explanation.

220. Sure, anyone can shoot off their mouth. I'll give Snowden that.

245. IOW, Snowden has no obligation to prove anything to anyone.

174. He doesn't present the evidence because he did not take it with him to Russia.

199. Seems that he doesnt have any evidence to take anywhere....nt

122. +1

127. You make good points but there is no way to know what the

135. Fair point.

173. at least in theory

223. If he found improprieties, why didn't he get evidence of it?

242. I think the phone records metadata

225. Lol, the telecoms have admitted what they are doing for the Govt. Now that they have been exposed

229. They have been 'exposed' since 2006 when we knew metadata storage was part of the NSA.

2. But... but... Kerry said we should not like him! Obama did too! n/t

26. Have a link to OP's or news articles directly quoting

50. Kerry said "he is a traitor"

114. Thanks for the link, much appreciated! eom

63. So they called him a traitor.

115. Who are you addressing with this comment? eom

130. Your post #26 eom

136. I asked a simple question...

159. I know you were just asking the question

137. They called Thomas Drake a traitor too, which he wasn't. nt

66. Kerry said nothing like that.

3. This is the height of entertainment

4. Snowden really helped his case. The interview is changing minds too - for people willing to think.

5. Brian Williams is not stupid

12. He and the other analysts tore Snowden apart after the interview. n/t

16. Look he's a tool, a classic opportunist

47. Yet he got the interview. Greenwald

59. Yes, he got the interview. Is that supposed to prove something?

64. Totally predictable. Media is notoriously pro-establishment--and chicken.

132. I didn't see that. Do you know if it was posted online? nt

55. You are so right. A whole bunch of people are going to look stupid - and traitorous.

6. Really?

177. If you can't kill the message, kill the messenger.

182. It's changing minds, all right.

239. They are just pulling crap from every orifice today. I'd like to see proof of "changing minds".

240. COMCAST/XFINITY are showcasing it in their ON DEMAND menu.

243. Thanks for that synopsis. I can't bear to watch him or GG, so I appreciate it. I think Bill Maher

249. how can you judge him if you won't even...

253. You didn't watch it, yet you are passing judgment on his performance?

256. "His performance"? Is that what it was? My mind was already made up.

257. How very Republican.

258. I think you may have confused me with GG & Snowey, the Repub...er, I mean Libertarians.

259. Well, no. I am basing my opinion on your words in this thread. So not mistaking you for anyone.

261. How 'bout this one?

238. "The interview is changing minds too - for people willing to think". Is this just a hunch, or is...

262. Nope. Not according to this "scientific" poll. MUST! TRY! HARDER!

65. People committed themselves to him the day his name came out

101. Nailed it...

163. And Authoritarians hated him the day his name came out.

164. We aren't authoritarians for thinking he should face what he did

180. He would argue, and I would agree, that he acted to protect the Constitution.

241. No, the jury pool has NOT been prejudiced. Most people didn't watch Snowden OR Kerry on TV.

170. NAILED It! n/t

120. If I was in deep trouble, realized that I didn't want to live in Russia any longer, but...

140. That's a good point. nt

181. As an American, I think that upholding the Constitution is more impotant than

263. You really hate these posts! Especially the recs! LOL! Nt

7. Rapid response team 3.. 2..

9. LOL! Anyone who responds negatively is part of a conspiracy.

10. LOL YOUR WORDS NOT MINE

11. Only someone who is part of the conspiracy would dismiss the conspiracy!

19. Na na na! I can't hear you!!

34. Not me. I couldn't care less if the NSA continues to exist or not.

40. I was agreeing with you