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Wed May 14, 2014, 09:58 AM

Stories of Karl Rove being a child molester are untrue

That headline is an example of how you start a rumor which becomes self perpetuating. And Karl Rove is a master at it. It’s a tactic he’s been using his entire career.

His recent attack on Hillary, while ridiculous, will have many wingnuts believing she actually has a brain injury from that fall she took a while back. And it will seep through to those who pay no attention to politics.

We can expect such attacks against Hillary to be launched daily now by Fox “news,” hate radio, and the rest of the Republican propaganda machine. They’re already blaming her for the kidnapping of the girls in Nigeria.

Truth means nothing to Republicans. They will just make up any piece of shit and then use their echo chamber to repeat, repeat, repeat.

We Dems don’t currently have the means to counter their never-ending lies. But we’d better figure out a way pretty damn soon.

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Cyrano May 2014 OP
hobbit709 May 2014 #1
Cyrano May 2014 #3
hobbit709 May 2014 #13
arely staircase May 2014 #102
xxqqqzme May 2014 #127
randys1 May 2014 #27
progressoid May 2014 #16
billhicks76 May 2014 #99
Aerows May 2014 #140
Xipe Totec May 2014 #2
ashling May 2014 #133
Xipe Totec May 2014 #134
planetc May 2014 #4
Hekate May 2014 #81
DetlefK May 2014 #5
eggplant May 2014 #116
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malaise May 2014 #7
2naSalit May 2014 #109
malaise May 2014 #110
2naSalit May 2014 #112
malaise May 2014 #113
2naSalit May 2014 #114
Scuba May 2014 #8
NCTraveler May 2014 #29
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valerief May 2014 #93
lastlib May 2014 #121
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FSogol May 2014 #11
hatrack May 2014 #122
okaawhatever May 2014 #12
Cyrano May 2014 #15
okaawhatever May 2014 #17
sailfla May 2014 #56
Doctor_J May 2014 #14
Arugula Latte May 2014 #23
GoneFishin May 2014 #39
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japple May 2014 #117
bvar22 May 2014 #57
MADem May 2014 #59
Cyrano May 2014 #60
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MADem May 2014 #65
arthritisR_US May 2014 #71
Cyrano May 2014 #18
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Exultant Democracy May 2014 #28
Cyrano May 2014 #44
mylye2222 May 2014 #53
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merrily May 2014 #38
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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:00 AM

1. Naw! He's just a Turdblossom.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #1)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:02 AM

3. Don't underestimate him

This is the guy who engineered the stolen election in 2000 and got Bush Jr. "reelected" in 2004 by stealing the Ohio vote.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #3)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:23 AM

13. He also stole the election from Ann Richards here in 94.

i don't underestimate him but he's still a Turdblossom.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #13)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:05 PM

102. there is no evidence Karl Rove molested children in 1994. nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #102)

Thu May 15, 2014, 04:00 AM

127. I have never heard that before.

I wonder if any of my friends know anything about it. I have a couple of friends from Texas. They may know more about it.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #3)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:26 AM

27. 100% correct, Ohio was so stolen it makes me sick, and "Some People Say Karl is a Rapist"

Karl Rove defines the rightwing whether that be a moderate republican or a teaparty terrorist i.e. American Taliban...

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #1)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:40 AM

16. I thought he was a ham loaf

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #1)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:02 PM

99. His Friends Are Though

 

Sandusky was one of Bush Sr's 1000 Points Of Light. And according to the deceased ex CIA Director William Colby in a forward to the book The Franklin Cover Up Dick Cheney was involved with pedophilia and ritual occult practices that harmed children. Read it yourself folks. The book is by Nebraska state senator John De Camp.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #99)

Sun May 18, 2014, 02:27 PM

140. There are several links

 

where you can read it, but since I don't know if they are authorized by John DeCamp, the author, I won't post them. I believe they are, because he has been very good about releasing it to get the story told, but I really don't want to risk getting banned.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:00 AM

2. I personally have never seen him molest any child younger than three

Or older than three for that matter but that's below the fold.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #2)

Thu May 15, 2014, 09:39 AM

133. So, just the 3 yr old?

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Response to ashling (Reply #133)

Thu May 15, 2014, 09:42 AM

134. That's Numberwang!

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:03 AM

4. so the photo of him being extremely rude to a sheep is ...

also unconfirmed? Good to know these things.

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Response to planetc (Reply #4)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:56 PM

81. We haven't seen the long-form sheep yet. nt

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:03 AM

5. "Well, MY cereals are asbestos-free!"



How you handle lies? Talk about them!
"Fox News: The guys who brought you Mustardgate." (Google it.)

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #5)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:00 PM

116. My microwave popcorn is labeled "100% whole grain" n/t

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:05 AM

7. I heard another rumor

His mother committed suicide when she realized that she had spawned that evil scumbag.

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Response to malaise (Reply #7)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:30 PM

109. I thought that was

sNewt Gingrich's mom... she actually hated her son because he was such a d*ckwad. And she says so in no uncertain terms.

There used to be a documentary of her relating what he was like to his family... I tried to find it a couple years ago but no luck. I know a couple college professors who might have it on VHS but otherwise, can't find it online.

But I digress.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #109)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:31 PM

110. Rove's mother did commit suicide

I just 'heard a rumor' about why.

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Response to malaise (Reply #110)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:34 PM

112. Oh

well, too bad for the family...

I think sNewt's mom just smoked herself into oblivion.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #112)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:38 PM

113. Suicide is horrible for families

Strange indeed that both mothers chose that way out,

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Response to malaise (Reply #113)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:42 PM

114. It is...

lost some folks that way. I have an ugly-demon-nightmare-evil-brother-from-hell but my mom is still around, in her late 80s. Glad she didn't blame herself or bail in such a way.

The brother can go back to the non-physical form anytime, he's done enough damage.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:07 AM

8. KKKarl's not a hands-on child abuser; he does it through policy.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #8)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:27 AM

29. Policy that he works on and others sign.

 

He is a snake. He has harmed many through policy, including children, all while attempting to keep his hands clean.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #8)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:32 PM

111. He's a repeat offender!

He's repeatedly molested an entire nation over and over! In fact, he does it every time he shows up on the TeeVee and opens his face.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:09 AM

9. Does that make Rush Limbaugh any less of a junkie pedophile?








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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #9)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:47 PM

93. No. He's still 100% that. nt

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #9)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:37 PM

121. No, just gives him more company at G(reedy) O(ld) P(erv) conventions.....

(not that he's lacking............)

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:10 AM

10. more mac an cheese, open free bars & pulled pork sammies for him!!

His karma will catch up to him.

Instant Karma's gonna get you
Gonna knock you off your feet
Better recognize your brothers
Ev'ryone you meet
Why in the world are we here
Surely not to live in pain and fear
Why on earth are you there
When you're ev'rywhere
Come and get your share


John Lennon

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:10 AM

11. Some people say....

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Response to FSogol (Reply #11)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:39 PM

122. I don't have any evidence myself, but I have heard some people say it

And you know, where there's smoke, there's fire!

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:15 AM

12. He's planted a seed. That is what he wanted. He also wanted people to actually believe Hillary

had been in the hospital 30 days. To correct that lie, one would have to acknowledge the story and answer to it. This way he gets that out there, and either doesn't have it corrected or has it corrected and that opens up the door to legitimacy of the claim.

BTW, why in hell would a a WH reporter actually repeat the 30 day claim when asking the question? How irresponsible is that? It just goes to show the press is in the pockets of the Republican party. It's one thing to ask about Rove's insane claim, quite another to repeat something they know is a lie.

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #12)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:36 AM

15. The msm has been

aiding and abetting the Republican echo chamber. From the Sunday morning "news" shows, to the op-ed pages of The NY Times and The Washington Post, to the White House press corps, lies go unchallenged.

The days of Edward R. Murrow and Walter Kronkite are long gone. News has become spin and true journalism has become rare. Some of the best journalism today is found at online sites that the general public never gets to see or read.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #15)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:44 AM

17. +100 nt

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #15)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:24 PM

56. Its all about money and ratings

Stir the pot and people will watch

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:26 AM

14. But with so many people discussing these child molestation charges, can they all be false?

 

I mean, where there is smoke there's fire. I certainly cannot personally verify that they are not true.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #14)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:18 AM

23. Well, personally, I'm going to stop mentioning that Rove is a child molester.

 

You won't find me talking about Rove being a sex offender. Nope. Not going to happen.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #14)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:21 PM

39. His being a child molester is an allegation which Karl Rove prefers not to discuss publicly.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #39)

Wed May 14, 2014, 09:04 PM

108. Oh give him a break

He's trying to stop but sometimes the temptation is too great.

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Response to GoneFishin (Reply #39)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:01 PM

117. I think he stopped beating his wife, too, but not

real sure.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #14)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:41 PM

57. I know what you mean.

He has never denied these charges,
or offered any proof that the claims he is a child molester are untrue.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #57)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:59 PM

59. Some people say Karl Rove paid off children he molested, he bought their silence. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #59)

Wed May 14, 2014, 02:02 PM

60. Sounds like something the IRS might look into

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Response to MADem (Reply #59)

Wed May 14, 2014, 02:09 PM

61. That sounds plausible to me.

People with political connections can get away with anything.

Rush Limbaugh got busted smuggling Viagra into an country KNOWN for Underage Male Prostitution,
and was never prosecuted.
This thing with Karl Rove is just another example.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #61)

Wed May 14, 2014, 02:22 PM

65. I wonder if Karl Rove's Viagra Prescription is under a pseudonym as well? nt

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #14)

Wed May 14, 2014, 03:52 PM

71. Well...it does lead one to wonder if this was the reason for his wife divorcing him....

just saying...

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:55 AM

18. ---- BREAKING NEWS ----

At the present time, Rove has not replied to any inquiries. Hmmm.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:59 AM

19. Although some say the allegations of cannibalism

can't entirely be disproved, raising questions about these supposed dietary indiscretions.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:13 AM

20. I haven't heard him deny it yet,

so what does that tell you? Hmmm?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:14 AM

21. I don't believe it

I think he is

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:16 AM

22. Of course they're untrue. He's more into sheep, goats, and other domesticated livestock.

 

Well, he did go through a furry phase, but I'm pretty sure he limited that to over-18 furries. I think. It's hard to know for sure because the costumes obscure faces. And as far as I know, he's put his furry past behind him, although my friend knows a guy who sees Rove in his building sometimes and he says he did see him with a very large chipmunk recently.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #22)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:22 AM

25. I wonder if a furry at

a Teabagger orgy could be called a furry with the fringe on top?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #25)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:28 AM

30. ...

 

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #22)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:36 AM

33. Sure that furry critter wasn't Donald Trump?






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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #33)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:30 PM

73. Well, Donald Trump hasn't denied that accusation, so

 

I think it is pretty safe to conclude that that was Donald Trump. That's what I've heard, anyway.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #22)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:38 AM

34. No goat has come forward to deny the charges n/t

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #22)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:44 PM

92. self deleted.. I thought I saw a mention of El Pigbo.. my bad


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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:21 AM

24. Almost as ridiculous as saying Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990.

 

Or that people on Conservative Cave fuck goats.

I'm just asking questions. Have they denied any of it? What do they have to hide?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:23 AM

26. They say he fucks goats, but there aren't any photos

so maybe it's not true.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #26)

Wed May 14, 2014, 07:16 PM

95. The goats like to keep their aaaaaaaanonimity.

 

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:26 AM

28. Her fall is going to be an issue. I probably should be too.

We would have had a VP in charge for a while had she been POTUS. If she gets past the primary then her VP choice will be critical (Kerry and Biden have the gravitas, but why would Biden want to do another term as VP would boggle me, and I'm not sure Kerry would want the number 2 seat either. To bad John Edwards turned out to be John Edwards and not the guy we thought he would be.

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Response to Exultant Democracy (Reply #28)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:30 PM

44. All candidates for president release

their medical records. (But who knows if they release everything?)

As far as a running mate for VP, we Dems have a "deep bench" of sane, capable people. The Republican's, on the other hand, have a "deep asylum" of crazies and those who pretend to be crazy to satisfy their base of know nothings.

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Response to Exultant Democracy (Reply #28)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:01 PM

53. no Kerry will not run.

 

Never against for Prez nor VP. i dont want either. Non about him i do love him deeply. But I dont want him to be Swiftboated again...

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:28 AM

31. I happen to know

 

of a goatfucker in the next town over, and he wears the
same style glasses that Karl does. I submit this as proof
that Karl is a goatfucker, but I could be mistaken.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:29 AM

32. Yeah, but the only people that will believe this bullshit

were never going to vote for Hillary anyway.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #32)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:00 PM

36. In very close election states,

a relatively small group of (real) undecided voters could make the difference. (Ohio is a good example.)

There are millions of people in America who pay no attention to politics, but they do hear some of the Republican's endless repetition of lies. Such voters have nothing against which to measure those lies and are therefore vulnerable to thinking they may be true. And that just might swing their votes.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #36)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:24 PM

40. You're of course, correct.

But I think Hillary's going to win by a very wide margin.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:56 AM

35. I'd be inclined to edit it to: Stories of Karl Rove being a child molester are not yet proved. n/t

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #35)

Wed May 14, 2014, 02:24 PM

67. Fair point--we really do not know for certain if Karl Rove is a child molester... or not.

We may never know--cover-ups DO happen, after all....

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:20 PM

37. Charges of child molestation have yet to be dismissed

Nor has he denied his sexual perversions

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:21 PM

38. The Big Lie. Tell it big, loud And proud. No matter what, it will stick with some people forever.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:24 PM

41. I am not aware of any facts which disprove the stories.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:24 PM

42. #RoveNotAPedophile

Not sure if this would work, but if we could get enough people to agree on a hashtag like the one above, we might get it to "trend" on Twitter.

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #42)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:29 PM

43. #RovePedophiliaNotYetConfirmed

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #42)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:46 PM

49. Good idea. It has the potential to go viral

But then Rove just might sue Twitter. He's got the Koch brothers' money backing the propaganda sewer he operates named American Crossroads.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:33 PM

45. His mug could empty a city park full of kids.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:34 PM

46. To be fair

rumors have never been either confirmed or denied.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:43 PM

47. Honestly,

I don't know how many children and animals Karl Rove has molested.

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Response to xfundy (Reply #47)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:09 PM

54. No one can be sure

how many victims there might be.

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Response to They_Live (Reply #54)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:23 PM

55. Some say they number in the multi-hundreds.

 

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #55)

Wed May 14, 2014, 05:48 PM

84. To be fair, I should give the other side to that: Others say it is only several dozen.

 

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:44 PM

48. Rove

Remember the male prostitute, Jeff Gannon, who visited the WH more than most of the members of Congress during W's reign? The rumor was that he was there for Rove AND W. They never answered the questions as to why he was even at the WH. He was featured on male prostitute magazines, in almost nude poses. Maybe the stories of Karl's homosexuality are true?

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #48)

Wed May 14, 2014, 02:24 PM

66. I try to mention Jeff Gannon whenever the discussion turns to Monica Lewinsky.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #48)

Thu May 15, 2014, 02:15 AM

123. I thought of Jeff Gannon when I read Randys1, post 27

I wondered if shrub was holding Jeff down for his friend Rove... Jeff was for hire, and I saw a picture of him nude, besides the one with him in his briefs and 'dog tags' (Fake, as he had never enlisted.)

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:49 PM

50. I heard it whispered by others it is also untrue that he fondled small creatures for sexual relief.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:52 PM

51. Benghazi was mentioned as the location where

this rumor got started.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:56 PM

52. KKKARL Rove is a political terrorist

 

An election stoler. A dem candidate molester. And a democracy rapist. Period

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 01:54 PM

58. Karl Rove *is* a child molester.

No, it's true. I read it on the Internet.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 02:10 PM

62. Child molester or misunderstood loner ? The truth lies somewhere in between. nt

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #62)

Wed May 14, 2014, 02:16 PM

63. I guess it's a case of We Report, You Decide

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 02:19 PM

64. KARL ROVE IS not A CHILD MOLESTER.

Don't believe me? Just google "Karl Rove child molester" over and over and over.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 02:38 PM

68. I think Anonymous should take a peek at his personal computer. We might be surprised (or not)

 

at what is found. Only the NSA knows for sure.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #68)

Wed May 14, 2014, 05:49 PM

85. If he doesn't hand over his computer, we'll know for sure he is a child molester.

 

Why wouldn't he hand it over if he has nothing to hide, right?

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #85)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:22 PM

105. I am thinking along the lines of "The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo".

 

Not that I would want anything illegal to happen to Karl.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 03:45 PM

69. We counter it by enacting policies Americans want. Read: NO COSTLY TPP!

 

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 03:46 PM

70. It might be true!

Some people think it is and where there is smoke there is fire!

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 03:59 PM

72. Other Examples: Karl Rove Is Not A Child Molester, As Far As I Know.

In fact...I seem to recall Hilary Clinton using THAT one against Barack Obama. Wasn't it the Clinton Campaign who leaked that picture of him in the Kenyan robes, and then when asked whether she thought he was a Muslim on 60 minutes, she replied "He's not a Muslim...as far as I know." Or "He CLAIMS he's not, and I have no reason to doubt him."

There are a few Democrats who know how to play that game, when they think it's justified. And, I hate to say it, but against today's 'Nixonland' Republicans, it's justified.

The truth is that trying to COUNTER the streams of manufactured lies is a WASTE OF TIME. The only way to deal with these people is to keep them back on their heels with a stream of lies that THEY have to defend against. The best defense is a good offense.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #72)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:34 PM

75. Even if we adapted their tactics,

we don't have their echo chamber. They have Fox "news," hate radio, and daily talking points that all Republicans and their pundits repeat, repeat, repeat.

All we have is MSNBC, a few liberal radio pundits, and Jon Stewart. And to make it worse, elected Dems are never on the same page.

The result is that it's all but impossible to beat them at spreading lies and propaganda.

The only solace I find in this is that Republicans have always been on the wrong side of history. And over time, (often a long time), we beat them.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #75)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:41 PM

76. Well, to be fair, they've been on the right side of history...ONCE.

Back in 1860 when they were a LIBERAL party, and they had the liberal idea of ending slavery (while conservatives whined about it damaging the economy, hurting the 'job creators,' and trampling States Rights). The last remnants of the rational, liberal Republican Party vanished during the Southern Strategy of the 1960s.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #76)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:48 PM

78. When Lyndon Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act,

the entire South went from being Democrats to being Republicans. Johnson said that in signing the act, "We'll lose the South for a generation." He was wrong. It's been about 50 years now, a lot more than one generation.

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Response to Cyrano (Reply #78)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:53 PM

80. Very true. But to be fair (not to mention ironic) the Democrats have HELPED. Mainly by belittling

the South as a whole (ie-as an exemplar of modern Republican values) as an election strategy; rather than praising Southern Democrats (like Al Gore, Wes Clark, or even Bill Clinton) as models of what the South COULD and SHOULD BE.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #72)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:45 PM

77. Yes. and dont forget they put

 

All top dems who endoresed Obama on a ennemy list.

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Response to mylye2222 (Reply #77)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:48 PM

79. Yep, starting with Bill Richardson.

"Time for some traffic problems in New Mexico."

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:31 PM

74. Has Karl Rove ever denied being a child molester?

Someone should ask him, so we can be sure.

(Just an example of "do you still beat your wife"...)



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Response to Beartracks (Reply #74)

Thu May 15, 2014, 03:32 AM

126. I think...

 

Karl Rove may still be a child molester.


There should be an investigation to clear him.

If it can clear him.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 04:59 PM

82. Yeah but Fox 'News' has a restraining order against.....

.....fact checking. So has Karl Rove sought professional psychiatric help for that pedophilia sickness?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 05:30 PM

83. I didn't say Karl Rove was a child molester. I said he was seen in the vicinity of small children,

 

30 days in a row as he passed the park on his way to work. He also wears eyeglasses, and some pedophile, somewhere, also wears glasses.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:02 PM

86. Well, since that side loves lies so much, let's contribute a few!

I'm not saying he's a child molester, but I've heard people talk...

Just like cliven bundy would, I just WONDER...

As Nancy Reagan used to say - "people are talking!"

TWO can play at that game, kkkarl. Be careful what you unleash, pal.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:15 PM

87. posted this to FB

"SInce I try to keep up with politics, people have been asking me: "Is Karl Rove a child Molester?"
I don't know, but as far as I can tell, some people are saying he IS a child molester. While there are no photos of Karl Rove Molesting children, some people say he prefers pre-schoolers to adolescents. And, it MUST be pointed out, the Mr. ROve has NOT denied the story......
We will have a two hour panel discussion on Mr. Roves alleged child molestations on the 10 o'clock show......."
With a picture of "Ham Rove".....
I think this ios a great idea to point out the idiocy and hypocrisy of the CONservative machine, as well as have bit o fun at their expense....

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:21 PM

88. So, why aren't Dems neutralizing him

Using the same strategy?

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Response to Helen Borg (Reply #88)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:27 PM

89. see post #75 above

Basically, the Republican echo chamber is a vast propaganda machine. They spent many years building it and we can't match it.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:33 PM

90. But then we have Bill Clinton to turn the lies into hilarious jokes.

Offering more proof that the clown car is alive and well!

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 06:38 PM

91. A modern day Rasputin

very dangerous and should be in a maximum security prison.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 07:08 PM

94. Yeah, Rove is a sick asshole who is a molester of the truth. nt

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 07:16 PM

96. Chances are that his odd behavior is not explained by syphilitic dementia, but one can never be

 

certain.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 07:47 PM

97. That Hillary got paid $200,000 each for two speeches to Wall Street rich guys is absolutely true.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/11/hillary-clinton-speeches-pay_n_3582868.html

How long does it take a person earning $7.25 per hour to earn $200,000 (before taxes).


27,586.20 hours or about 13 years.

How can a person who earns in one evening's speech what a minimum wage-earner earns in 13 years understand what matters to the large percentage of Americans who now earn minimum wage.

Let's do the numbers again assuming a minimum wage of $15 per hour.

Takes the worker 13,333.33 hours or approximately 6 years plus to earn $200,000.

We have a problem. Hillary needs to demonstrate to us that her loyalties are to all of us, to those of us earning minimum wage as well as to those of us earning Wall Street millions.

Considering her record, her affection for H1-B visas, her close ties to Wall Street, etc., it is going to be difficult. She talks the talk, but she has not shown that she will walk the walk.

She has not strongly supported unions.

On the other hand, Elizabeth Warren is a strong supporter of the middle class and knows what it is to be a struggling mother with a kid in a sub-standard day care and very little money.

I support Elizabeth Warren for president.

If Hillary stood up for little people and didn't just talk about the poor, if she had a background as a union organizer, or an advocate for ordinary people facing bankruptcy, if she had any of the experience that Elizabeth Warren has that is relevant to the concerns of Americans today, then I would support her.

She is vulnerable to lies and gossip because people don't especially warm up to her. I'm sure she is very nice, but she does not have Bill Clinton's personality. Sorry. Gossip is horrible. But gossip is most easily believed if you don't like the person in the first place.

Hillary was a good Secretary of State, but if you think she will be given credit for that, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. Hillary was a loyal wife, but if you think she will be given credit for that . . . .

And then every error that Bill Clinton made, and he made some doozies like the repeal of Glass-Steagall will be held against Hillary. That's not gossip. That's the record. That's not a lie.

NAFTA, Glass-Steagall, the dot.com mania, the reappointment of Greenspan, the overheating of the economy, the changes in the welfare laws that came to harm a lot of people when unemployment was high, all these things and more will be topics for partisan politics if we nominate Hillary. It may not seem fair, but it is reality.

If the Republicans nominate a really bad candidate, Hillary will win. But if they nominate someone rational, it will be a tough race and Hillary could easily lose. I'm sorry to bear the bad news, but let's don't give the Republicans the chance to run on past sins.

Let's run on economic issues and fairness, on what is happening to the middle class thanks to the Republicans in Congress and the Bush administration tax policies.

Let's run on the misdeeds of Wall Street, not their money.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #97)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:03 PM

100. it means karl rove isn't a child molester nt

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:00 PM

98. He isn't a heroin addict either n/t

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:05 PM

101. Karl Rove couldn't master flipping burgers at McDonalds.

He's a joke. It's hard to say who is more trustworthy at this point - Karl Rove or Dick Morris.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:20 PM

103. Well he thinks he's a doctor ..


maybe he is Dr. Bunsen from the Muppet Show?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:20 PM

104. Well, I did just read about him being a child molester. nt.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:55 PM

106. I like how they always point out that the buck stops with Obama

 

Up until recently anyway... and now if Hillary Clinton is involved, she takes the blame. Enjoy the rest Obama, they are after Hillary Clinton right now. I have a feeling if we lose the Senate and they hold onto the the House, that she won't be running anyway. So all this acts as a distraction to the 2014 midterms.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 08:56 PM

107. I have not heard Rove deny that he's a child molester, though

have you?

Sounds like of suspicious to me.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:00 PM

115. Did I hear that Glenn Beck killed a girl in 1990?

Maybe not

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 10:16 PM

118. I'm tempted to put your headline as a footnote to every posting I make . . .

 

From now on, just to 'prime the pump.'

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:16 PM

119. He and Glen Beck did NOT rape and murder a girl in 1990

Nope, didn't happen.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:23 PM

120. I have a link to support this OP!

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 02:26 AM

124. Well, Rove certainly should address these allegations

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 03:30 AM

125. I thought Karl Rove's being a child-molester it had been verifed

 

I believe that may be true.

Karl Rove--child abuser?
Child molester?
















Some say...

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 04:26 AM

128. This is right up there with this gem...

 

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 04:41 AM

129. It distracts from the boatload of other things he SHOULD be investigated for

If it ever happened and he was convicted, he'd end up spending his last days rotting in a prison. And I'd send him letters reminding him what an asshole he is.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 04:42 AM

130. Reports say he enjoys shit on rye, but

Rove denies it completely. Says he hates rye.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 06:30 AM

131. How do you know? Where is the proof he hasn't done it?

I have yet to meet any child who states they have NOT had the turdblossom treatment so we can't be too careful now can we?

Please think of the children.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 06:49 AM

132. Karl Rove child molester, wow. Keeping my granddaughters away from

 

that pervert.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 09:43 AM

135. True and all those rumors about Karl Rove being a dog fucker are unfounded.

 

See what I did there?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 09:46 AM

136. Well, he still looks like a child molester...

pasty white/pink skin, beady little eyes, and the drooling.
It all adds up.

KILL FOX NEWS!!!

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 09:50 AM

137. Some people say that Karl Rove is a child molester

 

Some people say that Karl Rove is a pedophile
Some people say that Karl Rove enjoys sex with children
Some people say that Karl Rove kills children after raping them

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 09:53 AM

138. four ways Democrats and progressives can challenge the talk radio lying before the 2014 elections

Their lies only work on a national scale because the left ignores 1200 coordinated lying machines reaching 50 mil a week.

1) Right wing radio has been successful because it has been ignored. Use the latest transcription software to make transcripts of the major local RW talkers available for searching and reading.

Snowtape (about $30) allows recording of multiple talk radio streams. Macspeech Scribe (about $150) allows 6 different trainable voice profiles. It's not perfect but will allow searches for particular words and memes to identify when they're locally or nationally lying about your issue or candidate.

For some reason snowtape sometimes won't import from the feeds usually provided by the stations but this seems to work: Plug the station call letters into http://www.radio-locator.com/, click on the station feed and it should open in itunes. In itunes click on get info, then click edit url. Copy that url and paste into the import to snowtape field. Record then export to itunes which will convert so you can open in Macspeech. There may be an easier way and other software but that seems to work.

Lies and distortions can be responded to in other media, or with picketing at stations, BEFORE they hurt Democratic candidates and progressive causes. Most advertising the GOP and its candidates do is built on and reinforced by lies and distortions popularized and made acceptable with the unchallenged repetition that only talk radio is capable of. Correcting the talk radio gods and their propaganda publicly will reduce the effectiveness of those ads and the numbers of disinterested fence-sitters the dittoheads and teabaggers can mobilize on election day.

2) More than 28% of Limbaugh stations piggyback publicly funded schools. I don't think the RW radio monopoly can survive without its parasitic relationship with our institutions of higher learning. Shame colleges and universities that broadcast sports on RW radio stations. Get them to honor their mission statements and look for apolitical alternatives. The benefits those schools get from their associations with the loudest stations in the state pale in comparison to the damage RW radio has helped shills like Walker do. The RW stations and their talkers use college sports logos to boost their community credibility and attract advertisers while they help ALEC and the Koch brothers and their candidates defund and privatize public education, attack teachers and unions and Democratic candidates, and deny global warming and other science. Those stations also weigh in on elections of regents and the short lists of candidates for school presidents. The radio component of the media licensing revenue a school receives (usually packaged with all media) may be minuscule compared to total licensing revenues and schools need to be asked to reveal those details. What's the price to get a university to trash its own mission statement? The amount may be surprisingly small.

3) Support the Rush Limbaugh boycott efforts and extend it to all advertisers on right wing stations. Most stations include some innocuous and apolitical programming during the week but they are primarily part of the larger RW propaganda operation. Any damage done to progressive radio will made up for many times over as the right wing radio monopoly disintegrates and stations become available.

4) Where appropriate, include radio stations and talk show hosts in peaceful protests. For 25 years a few hundred RW talkers with big soapboxes have attacked, distorted, and sabotaged the citizen activism of millions- with little protest or acknowledgment from the 'Left' or it's organizations. Protests at state capitols are routinely minimized by the state RW stations and their carnival barkers. Those attacks can continue long after the protestors go home. Almost any major issue is appropriate, from social justice and equality, fair wages, global warming, the Keystone XL pipeline, fracking, media and election reform, voter suppression, gun control, wall street, and political corruption. All could legitimately be picketed at those giant megaphones - the true source of 'popular' power of the new irrational Republican Party. Media and politicians used to being intimidated and enabled by RW radio and its made-to-order think tank talk radio constituencies, will notice.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Thu May 15, 2014, 12:23 PM

139. One popular internet site has over 100 comments about unconfirmed rumors that Rove is a pedophile.

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