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Sat May 10, 2014, 11:23 AM

 

Mariupal Massacre-video evidence clearly shows US supported troops killed innocent civilians.

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Extensive video evidence is emerging on the internet proving that US supported "troops" (which most likely are a Right Sector unit that has been merged into the new Ukrainian army) are gunning the people of the city of Mariupol down in the street. Local citizens with their hands in the air are shot in numerous instances. Graphic warning: go to the 1:50 mark in the video to clearly see the citizens have their hands in the air. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b0c_1399671187

The Independent UK (one of Britain's most respected papers covered this massacre in full yesterday. The British press which has, like the US press been largely silent on the atrocities is waking up. It also received extensive coverage on Channel 4 and ITV who have reporters on the ground in Mariupol.

Link to independent article; http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-bloody-assault-in-mariupol-dashes-hopes-of-avoiding-civil-war-9347972.html

Excerpt:

That was Mariupol after a day of bloody strife which slid Ukraine further towards civil war.

The country’s caretaker government can be accused of trying to blow out flickering hopes of peace by launching a military operation on one of the most revered anniversaries in the Russian-speaking half of the country, the commemoration of victory over Nazi Germany.

The military action is accompanied by stridently aggressive rhetoric from politicians in Kiev who are crowing about the numbers of “terrorists” killed and threatening further lethal punishment.



This second video shows the same scene, that ITV reported on, from another angle, of a man clearly being shot with his hands in the air. Murder takes place at the 48 second mark. Warning graphic content.



ITV news lead correspondent James Mates provides on the ground video footage showing the people of Mariupol in extremely large numbers attempting to stop the new Ukrainian military from taking over their town and killing them. Even he points out that what the new government is doing (on May 9th of all days)...is, and I quote, "a curious way of convincing people they have a future within Ukraine"

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-05-09/mariupol-seethes-with-anger-after-a-day-of-deadly-clashes/

I point out once again that this is what the US government, under our current president, is backing and financing. This is what Jen Pseki is deliberately ignoring when she's speaking on that microphone each day. It is disgusting and disturbing that on the day the US, EU, Russia and many other countries of the world commemorate the victory over fascism......this is what we are now supporting. And equally disturbing that DU is relatively quiet on this issue. I see very few post views on this issue and it makes me wonder how the website that helped lead the charge against the Iraq War is primarily ignoring this.....what the fuck is going on at this site?

Additional video's of large local crowds of civilians trying to stop tanks from entering their city.

Attempt to stop tank in street.
Thousands take to the streets to keep the new military out.

8:35 second video showing another angle on massacre outside the beer hut that ITV covered in their reporting. #t=444 Shootings/murders takes place at the 7 minute mark.

I am also including the recent Salon article which points out the hypocrisy and media silence that is taking place in the United States- as this article highlights what we Americans are condoning due to our misguided Cold war perception of Russia...it's a very important piece that every DU'er who stood against the Iraq War should read.

http://www.salon.com/2014/05/07/samantha_powers_brazen_hypocrisy_media_swallows_propaganda_but_heres_the_truth_about_ukraine/

On a very worrying note....the first video I had posted on this story directly above was found by me 55 minutes after it was posted on you tube. You can check my edit history and see that I had to swap it out with the same video from Liveleak as it was removed from You Tube
within an hour of it going online. Why would that video be taken down? This makes me even more worried about the people who are posting the truth online....possibly they are being forced to remove them. Why else would someone remove such an important video? That is highly troubling. Nonetheless I found a copy of the exact same video at Liveleak. Peace.

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Reply Mariupal Massacre-video evidence clearly shows US supported troops killed innocent civilians. (Original post)
go west young man May 2014 OP
Igel May 2014 #1
go west young man May 2014 #2
go west young man May 2014 #3
go west young man May 2014 #4
newthinking May 2014 #5
go west young man May 2014 #6
newthinking May 2014 #9
go west young man May 2014 #12
newthinking May 2014 #13
jakeXT May 2014 #7
newthinking May 2014 #10
go west young man May 2014 #11
another_liberal May 2014 #16
Jesus Malverde May 2014 #8
cosmicone May 2014 #14
another_liberal May 2014 #15
go west young man May 2014 #17

Response to go west young man (Original post)

Sat May 10, 2014, 01:33 PM

1. Did you see the video shot by the policemen as they were attacked?

Didn't think so.

RT's version was that the military attacked the police and the population rushed to defend the police. This is also the Izvestiya take on matters. No mention that the military showed up 30-45 minutes after the police came under attack.

BTW, the police building that was under attack wasn't just offices and jails. The police building is also living quarters, and the video shot by police had their wives telling their policeman husbands to get down and stop recording because they're being shot at. Yes, there were women and children in the building when the DPR folk decided to engage in an armed attack.

And the police building was, finally, under attack by things like RPGs. The "activists" had taken the lower floor and were shooting from there. Thick walls. Want to hit them, you get lucky or you have something that might penetrate the walls or do real damage if it goes through a window.

How about the videos where those attacking the building tried to get civilians to seek shelter? I mean, that's the duty of those in power, to protect the weak and defenseless. No? Did see those? That's because they don't exist. The attackers were hiding behind things as they were shooting at the police building. You didn't see them in the pro-Russian edits. Instead, you often see bad edits with return fire hitting civilians. Or, rather, "civilian." It was just peaceful citizens who came out when the military rolled in, unprovoked--in most cases, sort of true ("mostly unarmed" is more like it). The citizens assumed that the police would roll over and yield, and citizen accompaniment to take-overs are a common and winning tactic. This time they were furious at being challenged. They have a right to rule. How dare the police call in the military for backup! They shouted "fascist," but that just means "people who aren't on my side." It's like "republican" at DU--lots of liberals have been called "republican" or "right-wing" because they failed to agree with a poster on a particular point.

And while you don't see the DPR people trying to shelter people, you do see "fascists" who surrender to opolchentsi instead of fighting, who get their APCs and BMPs stuck instead of running over civilians. What you seldom see are the armed men standing behind the civilians in those cases. Why, just one video from yesterday was impressive: It showed unarmed "fascists" getting out of their BMP as women screamed in terror at the sight of the horrible beasts. Meanwhile, the soldiers were yelling, "Don't shoot, we're unarmed." In the video, you only see unarmed civilians (some of whom were shouting, "shoot them!". In the last second you see the armed men come into view and surround the soldiers. An hour later the same video was missing those last few seconds. And another especially loud scream from a woman was where "Strelyaite!" could be heard before.

"BMP seized by civilians" was the rubric. The other side: "BMP broke down. Soldiers, trapped inside and surrounded by screaming civilians and opolchentsi with kalashes, surrendered to those who had attacked the police HQ."

Doesn't fit the Russian version.

BTW, the Gorsoviet building also burned last night, late. It wasn't attacked. But it does mean that the "regime" will be crippled. The police lost their building yesterday. So did the civil bureaucracy. Scorched earth? Or revenge for Odessa, where only pro-Russians were killed in what's billed as a premediated attack by Right Sector forces? (Another one of those stories at odds with much of the evidence, so the evidence must be wrong.)

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Response to Igel (Reply #1)

Sat May 10, 2014, 02:05 PM

2. Lots of writing on your part...

 

not a single video link in your post to back them up. Whereas mine is full of em. Before my going any further with you in debate, please provide video evidence of the claims you put forth so DU'ers can see with their own eyes what it is you profess to know.

If anything you actually attempt to change the subject as this is not the police station you seem to be writing about. ITV has pictures of the police station completely burned to the ground by the "new right sector" military. Let me help you out.....this is how you provide a link to back up your argument....http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-05-09/mariupol-seethes-with-anger-after-a-day-of-deadly-clashes/

The Independent UK also provides some factual analysis....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-bloody-assault-in-mariupol-dashes-hopes-of-avoiding-civil-war-9347972.html

Excerpt:

The country’s caretaker government can be accused of trying to blow out flickering hopes of peace by launching a military operation on one of the most revered anniversaries in the Russian-speaking half of the country, the commemoration of victory over Nazi Germany.

The military action is accompanied by stridently aggressive rhetoric from politicians in Kiev who are crowing about the numbers of “terrorists” killed and threatening further lethal punishment.

Looking forward to your links....if you show me what you state I'll gladly accept that I may have been wrong....alas I don't think I am.

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Response to Igel (Reply #1)

Sat May 10, 2014, 02:08 PM

3. Is this the RPG you were writing about.....

 

because it looks like the military was firing them at the police station?

Which doesn't quite fit your unlinked narrative. And it seems Ukraine's own media is giving a storyline completely opposite to yours...(which is an odd choice for you by the way--as I see you normally despise RT but chose to use it for your groundless argument this time around)

Here's what Ukraine is saying... http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/204249.html

US blames Russia when Kyiv unleashes armored vehicles against civilians in eastern Ukraine

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Response to Igel (Reply #1)

Sat May 10, 2014, 04:20 PM

4. Still waiting...5 hours later.

 

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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Sat May 10, 2014, 09:15 PM

5. I think it is clear now that this is not "normal" war activity

It is particularly evident in the video of people on the buses in Lvov, where fascists purposely went to stop them from attending a celebration about the end of WWII. Ordinary people may protest, but they don't scare the shit out of women and children and threaten violence to innocents (as the rabid crowd did at the station).

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Response to newthinking (Reply #5)

Sat May 10, 2014, 09:22 PM

6. Thanks for that....

 

this video in my earlier post on Kyiv reminds me of the movie "Z" when zombies are ripping people apart. How horrible it must have been for those poor people on those buses....and to think we are paying for this shit.

Go to 4 minute mark to see the faces of ww2 veterans, elderly pensioners and a little girl who are terrified and crying trapped on these buses on the way to commemorate the defeat of Nazi Germany while the fascist US backed zombie horde tries to tip them over. Fucking sickening. And to think our greatest generation went and died for this shit...only to have us actually finance it in the future.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #6)

Sat May 10, 2014, 09:31 PM

9. That is clearly raging bigotry. Many people in west Ukraine must be living in fear of their

neighbors.

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Response to newthinking (Reply #9)

Sat May 10, 2014, 09:53 PM

12. That is like a scene from the movie "Z"......

 

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the fucking zombie horde are trying to rip the normal people apart.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #12)

Sat May 10, 2014, 10:39 PM

13. That is what ethnic / cultural hatred look like. It dehumanizes others.

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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Sat May 10, 2014, 09:28 PM

7. Pretty graphic video, I still wonder whose idea it was to send those young soldiers in


http://www.itv.com/news/topic/mariupol/

They bump into each other, their helmets aren't adjusted.. I wonder how long they have been in the military.

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Response to jakeXT (Reply #7)

Sat May 10, 2014, 09:34 PM

10. The government has had to rely on Maidan "activists" (ie Right Sector and the like)

because normal Ukrainians do not want to fight each other. Much of countries security forces don't want to work for the Neo-Nazi's that are in charge. It certainly must affect them that one of the leaders of Svoboda is running the military.

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Response to jakeXT (Reply #7)

Sat May 10, 2014, 09:50 PM

11. There is no doubt that is a Right Sector unit....

 

I'm a former US marine, 0341, 1st Battalion, 6th marines, 2nd Mar Div 85-88...their tactics are not trained military tactics. Their posturing and squirrelly behavior is quite similar to soccer hooligan types...they fire their weapons in nervousness instead of tactically....they also have uniforms that seem not to fit quite right (quickly distributed) and they also don't have built up physiques....they are more thin and lithe than normal soldiers who would have endured extensive training and exercise. I'm calling Right sector all the way.


This was another mercilessly cruel decision on the part of the new fascist government. They stupidly decided on the day of commemoration for the lives lost in WW2 to send a neo-nazi group into Mariupol and shoot people to death and burn the police headquarters. Could their violent siege not have taken place on another day? And the US chooses to align itself with these pro nazi's. They are not very smart and savvy on how this would be perceived. To me....it's fucking sick.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #11)

Sun May 11, 2014, 09:19 AM

16. These are hardcore fascists . . .

 

Their literature (Right Sector and Svoboda) is full of admiration for the Nazis and the German invasion of Ukraine during WWII. Of course they wanted to do something hugely disrespectful on WWII Victory Day. They are doing it all in homage to their long dead heroes in Hitler's SS.

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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Sat May 10, 2014, 09:30 PM

8. bump..nt

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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Sun May 11, 2014, 01:55 AM

14. k & r n/t

 

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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Sun May 11, 2014, 08:51 AM

15. Our government's support of these fascist, street gang bully boys is disgraceful.

 

How can any country call itself decent (or even self-respecting) and still give aid to people who do the kind of things these murders are doing to the unarmed civilians of eastern Ukraine?

Has the United States lost all sense of even-handed, honest concern for how our foreign aid dollars are spent? Is our diplomacy now totally in the service of a few greedy international bankers and "vulture capitalists" who only want to loot what they can from Ukraine? Will we continue to back our stooges in Kiev using whatever means they feel necessary to eliminate all sources of resistance to Western austerity and crippling debt?

(sigh)

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #15)

Sun May 11, 2014, 09:19 PM

17. What I find completely amazing at the moment.....

 

is that Democratic Underground, the site that led the charge against the Iraq War, lies and deception we were sold, is relatively quiet in regards to these murders and atrocities being carried out with US backing. I never thought this site would end up like this. Myself and many others from the hardcore progressive left fought with our minds and keyboards everyday to bring the darkness to the light and now we have to fight with most of the site to even keep our posts up.

It speaks volumes and it's a sad realization......like MTV...we've morphed into something that is so far from what we were that we have become meaningless. I urge all DU'ers to wake the fuck up and stand for what America is supposed to stand for.....the backing of fascist neo-nazi groups in front of the whole fucking world is an atrocity.

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