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Sat May 3, 2014, 10:42 PM

Apparently privatization has created an increase in incarcerations.

I've been watching Secret Prisons on the History Channel, and they were discussing HOW the privatization of prisons caused the population of incarcerated to increase. They gave one example of judges who were accepting $$$$ from the builder of a detention facility to make his business successful. I looked it up on Wiki, and here's what it said:

Two judges, President Judge Mark Ciavarella and Senior Judge Michael Conahan, were accused of accepting money from Robert Mericle, builder of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities, in return for contracting with the facilities and imposing harsh sentences on juveniles brought before their courts to increase the number of inmates in the detention centers.[1][2]
For example, Ciavarella sentenced children to extended stays in juvenile detention for offenses as minimal as mocking a principal on Myspace, trespassing in a vacant building, or shoplifting DVDs from Wal-mart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

Apparently this is not unusual since privatization.

How come I feel like I'm always the last one to find out these things? Still, it affirms my belief that privatization of government SUCKS.

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Reply Apparently privatization has created an increase in incarcerations. (Original post)
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 OP
djean111 May 2014 #1
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #19
burrowowl May 2014 #24
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #33
IDemo May 2014 #2
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #15
neverforget May 2014 #3
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #16
Shandris May 2014 #4
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #14
Shandris May 2014 #23
hollysmom May 2014 #5
JoeyT May 2014 #8
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #11
davidn3600 May 2014 #17
blkmusclmachine May 2014 #6
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #22
Maynar May 2014 #7
moondust May 2014 #9
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #13
woo me with science May 2014 #10
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #12
Go Vols May 2014 #18
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #20
Go Vols May 2014 #21
aggiesal May 2014 #26
Go Vols May 2014 #27
Go Vols May 2014 #28
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #30
ohnoyoudidnt May 2014 #25
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #32
Blue_In_AK May 2014 #29
Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #31

Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sat May 3, 2014, 10:48 PM

1. When prisons are privatized, there is usually a minimum inmate occupancy percentage specified

 

in the contract with the city or county or whatever. This ensures that the prisons will always make a profit. If occupancy falls below the percentage specified, the government has to pay anyway, instead of only paying an amount per prisoner. So - must keep those jail cells filled!
Isn't privatization awesome!
This is also why some are so against legalizing marijuana - all those lovely profitable prisoners, gone.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #1)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:30 AM

19. Yes, and that's something else I didn't know. How can this go on under our very noses? nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #19)

Sun May 4, 2014, 01:09 AM

24. When I told of privatized prisons

to my friends in Europe, they didn't believe me. I had to send articles.
This has been going on for decades
I recommend people subscribe to: The Nation and Mother Jones.

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Response to burrowowl (Reply #24)

Sun May 4, 2014, 11:16 AM

33. YES!!! Europeans just don't believe it, they don't get it. The U.S. is SO IMMORAL in every way

It's horrific. The for-profit motive has removed all sense of morality from this nation. It's pathologically demented.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sat May 3, 2014, 10:52 PM

2. Probably a bigger percentage of the increase

is from private prison companies lobbying state legislatures for tougher laws and longer sentences, along with contracts that require a certain percentage of filled bed spaces.

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Response to IDemo (Reply #2)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:28 AM

15. The program mentioned that too. It's so sick. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sat May 3, 2014, 10:55 PM

3. Private prisons need to keep the prisons full so as to make profits.

Sick if you ask me.

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Response to neverforget (Reply #3)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:28 AM

16. Yes - sick and evil nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sat May 3, 2014, 11:02 PM

4. This kind of thing is exactly why you have to write policy with the assumption that the...

 

...most evil, greedy, despotic individuals you can possibly imagine will be the ones doing their best to pervert it. Failure to do so is borderline criminal, or should be.

And the people making money off this? Maybe they should get a long introduction to said prison system. Have we started hitting people with sentences above a century yet? It's time to start. ( Obviously, , but hopefully you knew that already!)

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Response to Shandris (Reply #4)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:25 AM

14. It is time to start. What upsets me is that every day I find out a new for-profit evil in this

country. Capitalists are committing crimes in places and ways you and I don't even know yet.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #14)

Sun May 4, 2014, 01:00 AM

23. I know, and that terrifies me on a level that very, very few things do.

 

The human tendency towards projecting our values onto other people means that, for me, I am always inclined to assume people mean honest first, and only when I have proof otherwise do I realize that that wasn't so. I've always had to watch out for gullible innocence and even being as vigilant as I know how to be, it -still- bites me a lot. Even knowing the depths that capitalists can and will sink to for money, the fact that you know there is actually -worse- is just...horrifying.

I mean really...how do you prepare yourself for something -worse- that selling people into captivity for a few measly dollars?!? And with the collusion of some people who you know are making really small dollar amounts to do it! And that's the thing, its not even ginormous sums that at least you can see how someone - not me, but someone - could find tempting! It's for a frickin' pittance!!

It just sends a shiver up my spine. But all we can do is keep fighting and make sure that this evil is not allowed to stand. Not in my name, not now, not ever.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sat May 3, 2014, 11:22 PM

5. with the drug laws being changed, it should be interesting to see the prison population drop.

or will it?

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #5)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:16 AM

8. Probably not.

They'll just ramp up fear until they can get mandatory minimum laws for something else (JAYWALKERS: The lurking threat to your children!) to make up for it.

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #5)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:21 AM

11. I'm not so sure. Look at this:

We are living in boom times for the private prison industry. The Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the nation's largest owner of private prisons, has seen its revenue climb by more than 500 percent in the last two decades. And CCA wants to get much, much bigger: Last year, the company made an offer to 48 governors to buy and operate their state-funded prisons. But what made CCA's pitch to those governors so audacious and shocking was that it included a so-called occupancy requirement, a clause demanding the state keep those newly privatized prisons at least 90 percent full at all times regardless of whether crime was rising or falling.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/09/private-prisons-occupancy-quota-cca-crime

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #5)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:29 AM

17. They aren't changing the laws, just the enforcement

 

Congress won't budge on the drug laws. The only thing the government is CONSIDERING is the DOJ changing its prosecuting guidelines and Obama granting more clemency. But a new administration can just reverse this.

The laws have to change. But right now there is way too much corruption. Plus this is just the federal government...the states are even more corrupt in this.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sat May 3, 2014, 11:23 PM

6. SCAM

 

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #6)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:39 AM

22. Big time. The only PLEASING THING is that some of these ahs are ending up in prisons themselves

Poetic justice.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sat May 3, 2014, 11:35 PM

7. Gee

d'ya think?

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:20 AM

9. Incarceration sometimes means

disenfranchisement.

Is it any surprise that Republicans were responsible for creating the "War on Drugs"? Was it really a voter suppression program? Maybe somebody should ask Katherine Harris or Rick Scott.

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Response to moondust (Reply #9)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:24 AM

13. Republicans believe that everything can be bought and sold and a profit made of it. By the way...

your quote is very apropos to this discussion.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:21 AM

10. Attaching a profit motive to human imprisonment is evil.

This is just one more reason why we can no longer support the lesser of two evils.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #10)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:22 AM

12. I agree. Incredibly evil. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:30 AM

18. I really cant believe

that you didn't know this.Raygun started this shit years ago.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #18)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:31 AM

20. I honestly didn't. I knew it was sick to privatize such a thing, but to artificially increase the

population of incarcerated people? That's so so so sick!!!

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Reply #20)

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:33 AM

21. Rich MF's

got to get richer by any means necessary.And so it goes ...

Edit: People used to go to "prison" as punishment,now they go to "correction centers" for ... ?

:/

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #21)

Sun May 4, 2014, 01:11 AM

26. they go to "correction centers" for PROFIT n/t

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #26)

Sun May 4, 2014, 01:14 AM

27. rich get richer ...

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #27)

Sun May 4, 2014, 01:19 AM

28. Gonna bump for reality

The United States of America imprisons more of its population per capita than any country on the planet.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #28)

Sun May 4, 2014, 11:10 AM

30. Yes it does. That needs to be publicized every chance we get, till it becomes a source of

humiliation for the whole country. Only when the whole country is embarrassed and feels inferior to other countries, will something be done.

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sun May 4, 2014, 01:09 AM

25. Private prisons are also using their profit to lobby for longer sentences.

They do not give a damn about rehabilitation. Recidivism is in their best interest. They cut costs by lowering maintenance and staff costs., which endangers both corrections officers and the prisoners.

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Response to ohnoyoudidnt (Reply #25)

Sun May 4, 2014, 11:13 AM

32. That's another thing, yes - the corrections officers and prisoners are all in danger. nt

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Response to Sarah Ibarruri (Original post)

Sun May 4, 2014, 01:20 AM

29. We watched that, too.

It's shocking that America, with 5% of the world's population, has 25% of the world's prisoners.

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Response to Blue_In_AK (Reply #29)

Sun May 4, 2014, 11:12 AM

31. You did??? The whole time I was horrified watching it. How can something like that happen in this

country? I learned in school that this was "the greatest country in the world." That's what right wingers want, for us to be taught that in school. But is it? I say it isn't.

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