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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:59 PM Apr 2014

Glenn Greenwald debates Michael Hayden this Friday on surveillance

You can watch it live (free) by registering at Munk Debates here:

https://www.munkdebates.com/debates

6:30 PM East Coast

State Surveillance
Be it resolved state surveillance is a legitimate defence of our freedoms…

Hayden and Dershowitz on the Pro side. Greenwald and Ohanian on the con side.

- See more at: https://www.munkdebates.com/debates/state-surveillance#sthash.FQydzXwm.dpuf

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Glenn Greenwald debates Michael Hayden this Friday on surveillance (Original Post) Luminous Animal Apr 2014 OP
Has Glenn Greenwald released the rest of the snowden docs? Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #1
Ooh, I love unsubstantiated accusations. You forgot to add that Greenwald is a poopy-head. Luminous Animal Apr 2014 #2
what is unsubstantiated. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #3
Really. The facts are: Omidyar has started a media venture. Luminous Animal Apr 2014 #4
"He could debate the "opposition" or destroy it." Luminous Animal Apr 2014 #6
Just watch the debate on Friday and see what they say... KoKo Apr 2014 #8
Good advice...nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #9
Here is an update as of April 14 - about 2 weeks ago. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #10
Are you cheering for Hayden to win? bahrbearian Apr 2014 #12
Who won the debate, Jesus Malverde? Gary Garrison Apr 2014 #13
Has Barton Gellman released the rest of the Snowden documents? Gary Garrison Apr 2014 #14
who is that, as far as I know, glenn and Laura are the only two with the archive Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #15
Washington Post. And yes, he has the documents. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #16
There was a flood of leaks Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #17
The focus their hatred on Greenwald so much that they forget the names of the others Gary Garrison Apr 2014 #18
Thanks for the Heads Up...to Bookmark! KoKo Apr 2014 #5
Thanks! I'm going to kick as the week progresses. Luminous Animal Apr 2014 #7
This should be interesting. pacalo Apr 2014 #11
Kick. And if you want to watch it live, you have to register on the munk site Luminous Animal May 2014 #19

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
1. Has Glenn Greenwald released the rest of the snowden docs?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:11 PM
Apr 2014

Or is he still sitting on them after he sold them to pierre omidyar?

The fact that someone in possession of the "crown jewels of intelligence" wasn't arrested immediately upon return to the US says it all. The fix is in.

Now he's sitting down with the STAZI spymaster...priceless or what was the price?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
2. Ooh, I love unsubstantiated accusations. You forgot to add that Greenwald is a poopy-head.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:17 PM
Apr 2014

And the fact that a person would shirk the opportunity to debate their adversary in an open forum that has hosted hosted many other debates, is just simply bizarre.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
3. what is unsubstantiated.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:21 PM
Apr 2014

He's received 250 million from omidyar to start a joint venture.

He hasn't been arrested.

He could debate the "opposition" or destroy it.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
4. Really. The facts are: Omidyar has started a media venture.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:27 PM
Apr 2014

He has hired Greenwald and others to work for the organization.

He didn't give Greenwald 250 million dollars. In fact, Greenwald's "beat" at First Look is just a small part of a broader media organization.

What "is all" being said by the fact that he was not arrested?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
6. "He could debate the "opposition" or destroy it."
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:31 PM
Apr 2014

Really. How would Greenwald do this?

And what does "not being arrested" have to do with anything? Name one journalist in the U.S., in modern times, who has been arrested for publishing classified docs.

Not being arrested is the standard. It is not an anomaly.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. Here is an update as of April 14 - about 2 weeks ago.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:02 AM
Apr 2014

Hello. My name is John Cook, and as of three weeks ago I became the editor-in-chief of The Intercept. Since then, we haven’t published much material on the site, and that’s been on purpose. I’d like to take a moment to catch interested readers up on where we are and what you can expect from us over the coming weeks and months.

The site launched in February with an announcement from co-founders Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras, and Jeremy Scahill that The Intercept was coming online with an initial short-term focus on stories about the operations of the National Security Agency, based in large part on an archive of documents provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden. The decision to begin publishing at that point was based on a commitment to continue the work of reporting on, publishing, and explicating those documents. It was not based on an assessment that everything that one needs for the successful launch of a news web site–staff, editorial capacity, and answers to questions about the site’s broader focus, operational strategy, structure, and design–had been worked out.

Those things still have not been worked out, and over the past three weeks I have begun the process of resolving them in collaboration with the remarkably talented team that has already been assembled here. Until we have completed the work of getting staffed up and conceptually prepared for the launch of a full-bore news operation that will be producing a steady stream of shit-kicking stories, The Intercept will be narrowly focusing on one thing and one thing only: Reporting out stories from the NSA archive as quickly and responsibly as is practicable. We will do so at a tempo that suits the material. When we are prepared to publish those stories, we will publish them. When we are not, we will be silent for a time, unless Glenn Greenwald has some blogging he wants to do, because no one can stop Glenn Greenwald from blogging.

There are a lot of stories out there right now that we are very eager to cover–the Heartbleed vulnerability, the Senate intelligence committee’s report on the CIA’s torture program, the president’s claim that he wants to end the intelligence community’s bulk collection programs–in depth and in detail. But you shouldn’t expect to be hearing from us on much aside from the very specific work of the documents, which is itself time-consuming and exacting, for some small, indeterminate, but discrete period of time as we get the site set up to operate for the long term. It is of course very gratifying that some folks out there who admire the excellent work our reporters have done are eager to see what we come up with in this new venture, and we appreciate the attention and curiosity.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/04/14/passover-greetings-editor/

Patience. I do not know anything about the Intercept other than what I read on their website and on the internet. But the information above pretty much answers your question in my opinion.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
15. who is that, as far as I know, glenn and Laura are the only two with the archive
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:01 AM
Apr 2014

and both are stateside, apparently hanging out with spooks. Fuck dershowitz by the way.

Im going to have to google gellman.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
17. There was a flood of leaks
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:11 AM
Apr 2014

Seems they've turned off the tap.

The news about the NSA has gone dark.

Letting them regroup and get back on the offensive.

 

Gary Garrison

(31 posts)
18. The focus their hatred on Greenwald so much that they forget the names of the others
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:58 AM
Apr 2014

That's Greenwald Derangement Syndrome.

Gellman who?

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