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Fri Apr 25, 2014, 08:29 AM

The Bundy Questions

What is one to make of Cliven Bundy? To rational thinking people, he is a circus
freak, overstaying his 15 minutes of fame. For republicans, he held the promise
of being the next Marlboro Man -- a self-made tough guy, combining the best
qualities of Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin. After opening his mouth,
however, it appears he is best suited to be a minister of the militia-minded,
or the theologian of the rabid tea partiers.

Humor can be found in the watching of many of the republican political
and media stars who, after praising Bundy on bended knee, are now
seeking to distance themselves from him. However, there is really nothing
funny about the man, nor the disturbance he is causing. It's not simply because
he is a tapeworm that has grown wealthy by stealing from the public. He really
should have been held responsible for that theft, long ago.

What is particularly troubling is that American society continues to produce
diseased individuals such as him. Surely, it is not new. It is good that he has not
been elected to the U.S. Senate, in the manner of Strom Thurman. But it is not
enough to think that he is old, representative of a shameful chapter in the nation's past, and will be dead soon. If only it were that simple.

Bundy is the nucleus of a malignant cell that has grown into a cluster of armed,
angry, and ignorant people who are seeking a violent confrontation. His racist
remarks will not decrease his appeal to the militia- and fringe tea party-types.
As established republicans and Fox News hosts publicly reject him, he will not
hesitate to take up the mantle of extremism.

The extremist element views the Bundy conflict as being a fuse that could
cause a powder keg to explode. That they are, by definition, "terrorists" seems
crystal clear. They openly identify the federal government as the enemy. The
holding of this opinion is not, in and of itself, a problem. Their willingness to
take up arms, to defend a dead-beat, is definitely a problem.

Most of the young people I encounter do not carry on the hatreds
of their parents and grandparents -- the hating of "others," based on race,
religion, sexual identity, ethic background, etc. Yet in other regions of the
nation, these hatreds are handed down like valued heirlooms. Rooted in
fears and anxieties, they threaten the fabric of our society. And because these
irrational belief systems will not be buried when Cliven Bundy goes to his
grave, we must deal with them before they explode.

Two questions: First, what would you recommend the federal government do
now, to deal with this particular stand-off? And second, how do you think that
the larger society should confront the problems with the extremists on the
right-wing?

Thank you for your consideration.

Peace,
H2O Man

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boston bean Apr 2014 #1
Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #2
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Raven Apr 2014 #5
Bandit Apr 2014 #6
pacalo Apr 2014 #9
warrior1 Apr 2014 #7
Sheepshank Apr 2014 #8
ManiacJoe Apr 2014 #10

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 25, 2014, 08:34 AM

1. Culture has to change.

Not an easy feat. Perhaps now, you can understand that rape culture is real and dangerous as is the racist culture.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 25, 2014, 08:40 AM

2. K & R, very well stated.

How can this man ever realize happiness, too much hate. If I hated the gubermint so much I surely would not latch onto the gubermint tit. How can he pretend to be a good father and citizen with his bad attitude. He is the example in which no one should ever follow.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 25, 2014, 08:50 AM

3. Thank you.

The only manner in which Mr. Bundy is consistent in his thinking and actions is being a hateful crook.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 25, 2014, 10:36 AM

4. kick

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 25, 2014, 11:23 AM

5. Every individual has to speak up and push back in

their own environment...at their Town Meeting when someone says "we don't want housing for those people"... at the party when someone makes a joke about a Jew or a "nigger"...at every opportunity. We have to confront this ourselves and not leave it to the politicians or hope it goes away. It is not going to go away unless we, collectively and individually make it so.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 25, 2014, 11:26 AM

6. I would send in the county Sheriff and have the man arrested

I heard him say he would willingly submit to the county sheriff, but not to Federal law enforcement. Once he is in custody it would be quite simple to transfer him over to Federal jurisdiction. If the county Sheriff were to be attacked and killed or wounded then I would launch a full Federal assault with all available resources. If those militia people believe their AK-47s and AR-15s can hold off a US Government attack then we will see who gets the last laugh.

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Response to Bandit (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 26, 2014, 12:23 AM

9. That's my answer as well.

The government could garnish his federal benefits, too.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 25, 2014, 11:27 AM

7. He dead to the GOP establishment.

He's going to stay on the fringe. I believe he will continue to say very fringy things and you'll probably just see him on Alex Jones.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 25, 2014, 11:32 AM

8. I'll read the rest in a sec...but the first paragraph screams for a little intervention:

 

I hope you don't mind my personal revision (in italics)?

"-- a self-made tough guy, combining the best qualities of Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin. After opening his mouth, however, the combination of those two personalities bound into one caricature was confirmed"

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Apr 26, 2014, 02:41 AM

10. It would have been nice if the media had done its job and done some research.

Maybe I just missed it.

Bundy made lots of claims against the government. The media should have been doing some research and shown its results to show his claims as right or wrong, early in the coverage.

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