Funeral director: No injuries on Trayvon’s hands

[pokerfan]

By Stephen Loiaconi
updated 6:07 PM EDT, Wed March 28, 2012

Funeral director says he saw no injuries on slain teen Trayvon Martin's hands and knuckles
Gunshot wound appeared to be in upper chest area
Funeral director calls police investigation 'most unprofessional' he has ever seen

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/03/28/funeral-director-saw-no-signs-fight-trayvons-hands

[Warren Stupidity]

1. This is unravelling at light speed.

[malaise]

8. The shit they could get away with is now shattered with the speed of

technology and access to information.
Cell phones and the internet will destroy most of the coverups they stage managed so well in the past.
Down they go! See you in prison Zimmerman - daddy can't coverup this one - he tried.

[liberalhistorian]

51. He kinda reminds me of a redneck

Joran VanderSloot, whose father was also a judge who got him off of every charge and out of any trouble his whole life, including the Natalie Holloway business. It was only after daddy's death that he started having to face actual consequences. Had daddy still been alive when he murdered the Peruvian woman who was snooping on his laptop at what he had on there regarding Holloway, I don't doubt that he'd have gotten off on that one as well.

[malaise]

64. Good point

VanderSloot's daddy would not have been able to save him in Chile - sure he had power in Aruba

[obamanut2012]

70. That's a good analogy

[aptal]

85. I will post this again as I did in another thread earlier

Redneck is a derogatory slang term and I am offended by the use of it and it directly violates the TOS so please stop using it.

I am from the south and from a family you might would call rednecks and find it very offensive.

[klook]

87. Oh, give me a break.

I am a White Southerner, the descendant of several generations of White Southerners, born and bred in the deep South. And I can attest that there is definitely a time and place where the use of "Redneck" as a derogatory term is justified.

You know exactly what I mean, and don't pretend you don't.

"Redneck" in this sense basically means "Dumbass and proud of it" -- you know, the kind of moron who has a "Hell No, I Ain't Fergittin'" tag on the front of his Camaro, complete with the caricature of an old Johnny Reb with Confederate flag.

The kind of dickhead who flies a Confederate flag from the porch, just daring the neighbors to try and stop him.

The kind of pissant pseudo-Libertarian who thinks "reverse racism" actually oppresses him and his family.

The kind of worthless pond scum who'd use his power and privilege to get his son off a charge of murder because the victim is "just a N_____."

I've seen Rednecks like this all my life, and I look forward to the day when none of them exist any more, if I'm luck enough to live that long. And yes, there are states where there are so many of them that the term "Redneck State" is justified. I am ashamed that here in Georgia, despite the presence of many decent and intelligent voters, we have a redneck crook like Nathan Deal in the Governor's Mansion. I'm sure many Oklahomans, for example, are equally ashamed at the kind of regressive laws that have come out of their legislature.

And I'm not talking about class here -- some of the finest people I've ever met were poor country folks whose mannerisms and appearance would make them the laughing-stock of many a Yankee sophisticate.

I'm talking about the willfully backward, bigoted assholes who continue to thrive in this region and really wouldn't be able to live anywhere else.

But while we're on the subject, let me add that I detest the South-bashing that sometimes goes on here on DU. There are posters who assume that ALL of us down here are Rednecks, that "Fuck the South" is the only attitude a Real Liberal can have. I will defend this region against anybody who tries to paint us all with that brush.

So pass the collards, and let's do what we can, here within the Belly of the Beast, to help get President Obama re-elected.

[maddezmom]

2. between this and the video

blows the lid off the cover up, imo.

[Fawke Em]

3. Wow! It's been a night of information on this case.

First the video showing Zimmerman with no apparent injuries and now the funeral director coming out with this.

[Confusious]

33. Got a link to that video?

I haven't seen it yet. And it's not on the front page.

[Ilsa]

36. I don't have a link, but the camera's

perspective is from about three-five higher than the people. Z is wearing a jacket, and his gray shirt underneath looks clean, that is, not bloodied from a broken nose. Z wasn't holding any tissue or cold compresses up to his face and he was handcuffed behind.

Also, I didn't see police wearing gloves, which they would have done if Z was bloody.

[Fawke Em]

39. Yeah...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002486224

[fishwax]

41. here's a thread withthe video

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002486224

[LaydeeBug]

42. Here, here...I love being able to help when I can

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475

[got root]

4. the Authorities in Stanford better step up and do the right thing

this has gone on long, ENOUGH.

[mmonk]

47. +1

[marlakay]

5. I bet people in the know we're outraged

By all the crap they sad about Travon.

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. That's exactly what happened

[liberalhistorian]

52. I agree and that's why I believe this video

was leaked. The lead investigator wanted Zimmerman charged and believed it was murder, so maybe he got fed up with the trashing of Trayvon and leaked it.

[one_voice]

6. Holeeee mama...

this just keeps getting better! They need to take his passport his passport.

[Life Long Dem]

7. "He also could not determine the bullet’s entry or exit point."

How convenient.

[kestrel91316]

11. It's not the funeral director's job. It's the PATHOLOGIST'S job.

You know, during the effin' AUTOPSY??

Not mad at you. Mad at the corrupt criminal justice system in Sanford and FL.

[got root]

13. exactly, and that will be the next shoe to drop if the authorities don't start acting like they know

[Life Long Dem]

15. Your right.

I don't know why I was thinking this was the autopsy for a second.

[Baitball Blogger]

28. kestrel, it just dawned on me.

If that bullet wound is determined to go from the back to the front, everybody's job in the Sanford police department and State Attorney's Office is on the line. They all need to quit to stop the tsunami of anger that's coming.

[Fawke Em]

40. I've thought this since I first read he was found face down.

People can fall forward when shot in the chest, certainly, but not usually.

[magical thyme]

75. my first thought too. found face down seemed like shot in back to me. nt

[KurtNYC]

78. AND they do CPR with chest compressions

when they arrive on scene.

Pretty messy CPR if the victim is shot in the front middle of the chest.

[magical thyme]

79. unless they are hemorrhaging

in which case they stop the bleeding first. No point pumping the blood if you are pumping it out.

The main point of him being found face down is it strongly suggests that he was shot in the back trying to escape, not in the chest in a confrontation. It proves another Zimmerman lie.

Also, if Zimmerman had shot him at close range in the chest, the blood would have backscattered all over Zimmerman. As others have noted, there is no blood on him at all in the video and the police didn't bother to glove up when they took him in.

[Wait Wut]

83. And...

...if he had been sitting on Zimmerman's chest, as he claims, Trayvon would've fallen on top of him. When someone falls on you, you push them off...onto their back.

[TheMadMonk]

53. If they try to quit their resignations need to be refused.

Even if not charged they need to be fired for cause, in order to disqualify them from being rehired a couple of counties over.

[NotThisTime]

71. Did they even do an autopsy? If justice doesn't prevail I hate to think of what will happen

[kestrel91316]

84. I think any time someone dies by gunshot it automatically requires an autopsy. Sadly,

some county coroners are elected and have no medical training, so you can imagine the quality of results.

[freshwest]

23. So they can't tell if he was shot from behind or not? Is that unusual?

Shot from behind ruins the self-defense angle.

[Life Long Dem]

24. That's what I was thinking.

But this isn't the autopsy so we still wait on this.

[freshwest]

27. I thought this statement was based on the autopsy? Must have misread this.

[Dead_Parrot]

32. Wouldn't surprise me after an autopsy

You don't exactly come out in one piece.

[freshwest]

35. Well, true. I remember the unpleasant experience of reading my dad's. I never want to see one again.

They proved how bad his heart condition was and were amazed he'd lived so long. They said it had to have been will power, since it was nearly non-functional, which I thought was weird.

Still, it seems that some examination of the body would reveal the entry and exit, before the autopsy, which is really gross. I'm not a fan of forensics, CSI and cop shows so I can't even guess.

This leaves the case in Zimmerman's hands if he is the only witness.

[JDPriestly]

81. Some doctors study gunshot wounds even when they are in medical school.

They study them to know a long-range from a short-range wound, etc. I suppose they need to know that in order to be sure to treat a patient with a gun-shot wound correctly.

And of course, no autopsy on a patient who is still alive. (Sorry for the insensitive humor here.)

So, someone who was trained to handle gunshot wounds (such as a paramedic) may have been able to tell a lot about the injury. But then it depends on the training of the medical personnel and their experience.

If someone works in the emergency room of a big city, say Los Angeles or New York, they probably see a lot of gunshot wounds and know pretty quickly what they are dealing with.

[Pachamama]

82. Does anyone know if Trayvon was cremated or buried? They can do a post-burial examination with

...forensic professionals who can determine the point of entry and exit, despite it being post-mortem and time passed.

Calling Dr. Temperance Brennan!!!! Bones we need you!

[Spazito]

9. Wow! The truth is starting to overtake the lies....

at an ever increasing rate. Maybe, just maybe, Trayvon's parents will see some justice done regarding their son's murder. I am still cynical on that so maybe is the best I can do.

[JFN1]

10. Wow.

It is starting to sound like the Sanford police who were involved, and the District Attorney who is complicit in this, need to be charged with accessory to murder...

[Baitball Blogger]

29. In this county they usually expect everyone to accept a guilty plea of incompetence.

As if that's acceptable.

[Uncle Joe]

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, pokerfan.

[mainer]

14. Good luck to the funeral director.

He's just spoken up against the local police. I wish him all the best as the cops try to make his life miserable.

[HooptieWagon]

26. I had the impression the fineral director is in miami.

[yardwork]

34. Ft. Lauderdale. He's a long way from Sanford.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Oh my...

If the kid was in a scuffle there would be signs of such.

My Lordy. This is unraveling.

[Raine]

17. Hmmmm very interesting but not suprising. nt

[Zax2me]

18. Funny how one rumor is believed, others laughed off.

Depending on if it supports your interest.
This case in particular.
Now the 'funeral director' reports are proof positive?!
Of what?
Geez I hope cooler heads prevail.
So justice can.
The right way - not the hysterical way.
The sweep this under the rug attempt has failed. Now, I'll wait for the investigation - minus the hot 'funeral director OMG!OMG! reports - to process the truth and hopefully justice for the victim.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Perchance you saw the police video ABC obtained?

[got root]

22. we have video of the 'victim' too that certainly would lend credence to this

but WTF is the autopsy, eh?

and i wanna see a mic in the Funeral directors mug, too.

you are willing to wait for the 'investigation' jury captian an all... but that's what the rest of us are upset about, there has not been one, and as more evidence 'leaks' out we become more incessant.

deal wit it.

[drm604]

45. Here you go

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-funeral-director-speaks

[got root]

46. I also just heard him on the Lawrence O'donnell show - was very compelling and convincing

there needs to be an ARREST, tonight.

[RKP5637]

19. Who supersedes the cops in this case in an expedient manner. I realize we don't have all of the

information, yet, but there are some pretty strange shenanigans going on, it seems, by these cops. It smells like a total cover up. Makes one wonder what else they are covering up in other areas.

[Baitball Blogger]

25. The wheels are coming off the Sanford police department's investigation.

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. That's OK, his ghost punch left no injuries on Zimmerman's nose, either

"Mad Dog" Martin is THAT good!

[got root]

37. Cops: Nor his 'victim' Zimmerman (pics)

[Snake Alchemist]

56. his nose looks pretty messed up, but that is on my

Samsung galaxy S2

[got root]

58. 3 inch screen, or sometin, sure...

[arthritisR_US]

60. What am I missing? His nose didn't look

touched at all to me. I didn't see anything messed with it. I must be going dim or something

[got root]

61. neither to any other reasonable person, that op is propably squinting an awful lot at that tiny

screen of theirs which is causing spots before their eyes or something

[arthritisR_US]

62. Thanks gr because that really had me

baffled. If, and that's a BIG if, GZ had a "broken" nose, Martin would have had bruised knuckles and according to the funeral director he didn't. Pair with that no outward signs of a broken nose or even a scuffle, well I smell BS!

[alcibiades_mystery]

66. Snake Alchemist is Zimmerman's cousin or something

He's going to try to spin Zimmerman's lead balloon of a bullshit story into online forum gold.

[NoGOPZone]

77. .

[ScreamingMeemie]

68. Have you ever broken your nose????

First the amount of blood can be ridiculous (We had to shove tissues up my nose just so I was able to get up and walk to the car). Second, bruising commences almost immediately; hideous, eye-encircling bruising. Noticeable bruising. So noticeable you could see it even on a tiny screen.

[Snake Alchemist]

69. Yes, I didn't even know mine was broken.

Sucker punched in junior high many years ago. Bled a bit, but did not realize it was broken until it still hurt the next day and went for an xray.

Of course I can't see anything on my tiny screen. That was the joke.

[obamanut2012]

72. No it doesn't

I've had a broken nose, and Zimmerman has no blood, no bruising, no swelling, nothing. And, no blood or marks on the back of his head, either, and his hair is so short you would be able to see any scalp cuts or bruises.

He doesn't have a mark on his face or head.

[Initech]

38. The more this is unraveling the more it sounds like first degree murder.

With a racially motivated hate crime on top of it - stand your ground shouldn't apply here. You give a twice convicted felon a gun and a free pass to declare himself judge, jury. and executioner - what do you think is going to happen? Get Zimmerman out of here now.

[TahitiNut]

43. The only way I could see "Stand Your Ground" applying ...

... is if Trayvon had a gun and blew Zimmerman away. But in our right-wing "Through The Looking Glass" funhouse mirror social climate, the denizens of Dumbfuckistan want to say it exonerates Zimmerman for murder. Obscene.

[Withywindle]

63. Agreed.

Every 911 tape and witness report that leaks out makes it sound more and more premeditated.

He STALKED Martin. In his car when Martin was on foot. How the HELL is that not an aggressive act in itself? Zimmerman was the one who initiated the conflict, by scaring Martin to death with his creepiness and wouldn't stand down and leave it alone even when he was told to do so by the 911 dispatcher.

[gkhouston]

44. Uh huh, how long until we're told that Martin was a kickboxing expert?

[pinboy3niner]

65. Ah, Grasshopper, now you're getting it

[Iliyah]

48. How long before we

hear from the wacko righties that Black people do not bruise, therefore thats why there was no bruises on Trayvon's hands, ya know, after he kept punching Zimmerman's head over and over again. Gosh darnit, maybe thats why Zimmerman had no bruises on his face or head because Latinos don't bruise neither.

Plus, Black people don't bleed, because when Zimmerman point blank shot Trayvon, no blood poured out because Zimmerman's shirt looks like it had no blood on it, and it also doesn't look like there were any drops of blood.

Zimmerman's story changes everyday, now his father has another version as well.

[polly7]

49. Not even bruised or scraped knuckles ....

that says a lot. The 'fight' story is getting weaker by the minute. This is horrible.

[barbtries]

50. here's what i think for what it's worth.

they all knew zimmerman. he'd called them so many times after all. they considered him a friend, and after all it was just a 17-year-old black kid, so why investigate? he says it's self defense, we'll roll with that.
apparently they didn't even canvas the area? wouldn't they have ended up knocking on Trayvon's own door if they had?
they all thought it would just "blow over." i think what they did NOT expect was that Trayvon had a perfectly legitimate reason for being where he was whereas their buddy zimmerman had no legitimate reason to go after him.

i'm glad that these details are coming out. an arrest should be imminent, for murder. let the jury sort out the degree of the crime (i'm thinking first degree hate crime). we'll see if it happens, but the more details such as these come to the surface the more likely it is imo.

[liberalhistorian]

55. But see, what I can't figure out

is that people who make 46 911 calls in two months, with most of the calls being minor or bullshit in nature, would be considerd a nuisance, the 911 equivalent of a "vexatious litigator", and every single police dept. I ever knew or heard of would have shut that shit down pronto, would have put the smackdown on him for it. I simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND why they didn't do that in this case.

[barbtries]

57. i didn't look it at that way

and you make a good point i think. maybe in that little part of FL, the police aren't so busy with real crime that they considered him a nuisance.

or maybe it's just what it smells like. racism rearing its ugly head, racism so entrenched that they actually didn't consider Trayvon a person - so it couldn't be murder, right? it's only murder if you kill a human being.

i don't know. they let him go. he killed a person and they fucking cut him loose - that stinks to high heaven whatever the rationale they try to manufacture. i'm very glad that the people have gotten so worked up over it, because we need more justice in this country not less. if nothing else this sordid episode is raising the consciousness of many people and that's a good thing.

[RKP5637]

76. I agree with a lot you said ... just guessing, of course, but they well might

have seen him as black, young and a throwaway, an unknown. And, if that were true combined with prejudice and racism, that well could have happened.

My reasoning here, with really no knowledge, is it all backfired on them, that they expected this to blow over, and thought many would have said just another black disposed of, who cares.

So, my hunch is they're overwhelmed with how this has raised worldwide attention, totally unexpected by them that it would go any further than that night.

It will be interesting when all of the facts come fully out.

[got root]

59. yeah, i would expect to see them on one of them stupid reality shows, calling 911 no fries w/burger

or pot holes, or some dumb shit like that.

he should have been fined a few times at least, if not arrested just for that.

what he didn't have his local PD on speed dial, WTF.

[They_Live]

80. Because by that point

they had already dealt with Zimmerman's retired judge father. Several times.

[Grassy Knoll]

54. Not A Peep From the #1 name in Racist News....

Hmmm, How odd, And everybody knows who that is
without mentioning any names.


OOPS

[Doctor_J]

67. Shouldn't we have heard this from the ME instead of the Funeral Director?

Seriously,

[mainer]

73. autopsy report is sealed until investigation over

that's what the LA Times reported.

[slackmaster]

74. That makes sense

[Rex]

86. Wow, the PD was going to let Zimm get away with murder!!

That is some scary shit!