Boxes in Eddie's Garage: a DU challenge

[arely staircase]

First one to find anyone anywhere at anytime disparraging Edward Snowden for having boxes in his garage wins.

[RobertEarl]

1. My advice?

Trash this thread. Done!

[arely staircase]

2. nope. not a winner. nt

[tiny elvis]

3. under cover of jus sayin

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022983957
hilarity ensued
one should not expect to live it down after throwing the kitchen sink
i want my prize in cash
try to weasel out and i will sue

[arely staircase]

5. nope. no cigar nt

[tiny elvis]

6. weasel nt

[arely staircase]

8. doesn't meet the disparagement test

Sorry

[tiny elvis]

10. yes it does nt

[arely staircase]

11. it is part of a linked to story that was simply a round up of

what little was known about the guy at the time. part of it was the Telegraph referencing a local tv station that had asked the neihhbors what they knew about him. And the answer was they (he and his gf) didn't fraternize with the neihhbors and he had moving boxes in his garage. In otherwords, his neig hbors didn't know him well. Not dispareaging, just part of "here is all we could find out about the guy everyone is talking about."

[tiny elvis]

12. under cover of jus sayin, as a weasel will do

i want my fuckin seegar

[Marr]

31. Just so you know, the adult response would've been "you're right-- I apologize".

You asked for it, you go it. Your weaseling doesn't even qualify as weaseling-- you're just refusing to acknowledge what was put right in front of you in the space of two posts.

[arely staircase]

32. no that would have been the completely innacurate response nt

[pscot]

43. Weasel!

Your day job is probably writing the small print for prize contests.

[arely staircase]

44. I specifically used the word disparaged because I assumed there was some genesis to the meme

and it was exactly like I suspected, some local reporter filling up air time because she had been assigned to interview the neighbors who didn't know shit about him other than he was standoffish and had boxes.

the way it is bandied about by Snowdenistas implies he was actually attacked (disparaged) by someone over the boxes. he wasn't until today, that we know of.

[treestar]

7. A straw man

Or, a straw box.

[arely staircase]

9. yep nt

[Fumesucker]

13. Pole dancers

Just not in a garage

[arely staircase]

15. well that was a letdown nt

[KittyWampus]

22. you made me lol! Again! You are pretty funny sometimes.

I buy you virtual adult beverage.

[arely staircase]

45. yeah, he actually is (sometimes) nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. "It was odd, we thought it was really odd. Many times my husband and I commented..."

Neighbors say Snowden lived in the house for about 6 months. However, they noticed something a little odd when his garage door was open. There were boxes and more boxes that lined the edge of the garage leaving only just enough room to let the door down.

"It literally went from top to bottom all the way across. It was odd, we thought it was really odd. Many times my husband and I commented, 'Why do you think they haven't gotten rid of their boxes? You know most people they move in and they get rid of their boxes,'" said Tijing.

http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/former-neighbors-of-andrew-snowden-say-he-didnt-speak-to-anyone/20494246

And the reporters thought it was 'odd' enough to write that, and it made it into the AP story that was republished worldwide: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/hawaii-real-estate-agent-snowden-left-may-1

[arely staircase]

16. again that isn't a disparagement

A local tv reporter was sent to go interview the neighbors and find out everything she could. And that appears to have not been much- they kept to themselves and had a garage full of moving boxes. This local TV report was used by the London Telegraph which was picked up by politico in their round up of what was known about him. All ths at a time when reporters are scrambling to find out all they can about the most talked about but unknown guy on the planet. It is a triviality but hardly a disparagement.

So, no.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. It's calling it 'really odd', and apparently a regular topic of conversation for the couple

about how it's not what 'most people' would do. And multiple reporters passed it on, with a straight face (as opposed to taking to piss out of the neighbours and reporters who thought it worth saying or writing down, which was the general reaction when it was printed).

Yes, it's disparaging.

[Warren Stupidity]

24. You are having an honest discussion with a person who has no intention of reciprocating.

[Warren Stupidity]

25. you lost.

[arely staircase]

26. clearly not, in fact my point has been proven

It is just as I suspected. Some local TV reporter mentioned some boxes once upon a time and "and he has boxes in his garage" became the Snowdenista Remember the Alamo as someone actually ever gave a fuck about boxes in his garage.

My OP doesn't say find were someone "mentioned" boxes. It says "disparaged" Snowden over boxes. And it never happened regardless of how cute some people think they are saying it.

[uppityperson]

28. Snowden is awful because he has boxes in his garage.

There you go, here is the post.

[arely staircase]

30. ex post facto nt

[uppityperson]

33. "First one to find anyone anywhere at anytime". You did not say "in the past" but "anytime".

[randome]

34. Shit! A loophole!

Arely, you could be in trouble here.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[arely staircase]

36. yep. we have winner

we can now mark today on the calendar as the first time it has been done.

[uppityperson]

40. Nope, first time it was "found" as it may have happened otherwise, just not found.

[arely staircase]

35. ok you win

you are officially the only person that anyone can find who has ever disparaged Snowden for boxes.

you are now the exception that makes the rule.

[uppityperson]

39. Not quite right. The first "found" as there may be others just not found yet.

Yes, call me uppity.

[arely staircase]

41. could be. but yes, first and only one we know of. nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

48. Bollocks. If I point out your behaviour is 'odd'

it's disparaging. You know it is, but you won't admit it, because your integrity is 'odd'.

[arely staircase]

50. wrong

odd
adjective: odd; comparative adjective: odder; superlative adjective: oddest

different from what is usual or expected; strange.

The guys neighbor thought it strange/unusual/unexpected that he kept moving boxes piled up in the entrance to his garage.

I know you really want it to be so. But it isn't.

[muriel_volestrangler]

57. As I said, your integrity is odd

and every post you make in this thread makes it odder still.

[arely staircase]

58. ok you find my integrity unexpected.

so what?

[uppityperson]

49. Your not knowing what I ate for lunch does not mean I did not eat lunch. Faulty logic.

[arely staircase]

51. I am not saying there isn't another

but it is looking pretty unlikely given how many people sooooo want it to be the case and would have found it by now.

[warrprayer]

17. ....

[arely staircase]

18. non sequitor award goes to......warprayer nt

[warrprayer]

19. thank you, thank you

[Marr]

37. lol! No kidding.

This person doesn't even seem to realize that, by refusing to acknowledge something so blatant when laid right before them, they're only delegitimizing themselves. After proving yourself to be dishonest, few will take you seriously.

[arely staircase]

47. sticks and stones nt

[KittyWampus]

21. The only people who ever mention the boxes or the stripper girl friend are his ass-kissers.

[arely staircase]

27. Oh I think some of his detractors have made some jokes about the gf

mainly because her posting all those pictures of herself was funny and stripper girlfriend is interesting in a shallow way. but the boxes thin is just fucking ridiculous.

[Marr]

38. Well, it's like your infamous map defense.

When someone makes such a flawed defense, it shows that their agenda overrides their sense of reason. It demonstrates that they're so anxious to defend a certain position that they aren't even evaluating the arguments they're throwing at it, and probably aren't worth listening to-- at least on that topic.

So people tend to remember it.

[Aerows]

52. Oh God

I will *never* forget your Middle Earth map post in that thread. It was hilarious, Marr.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023164458



Hell, that entire thread was comedy gold.

[Autumn]

65. I wonder how many people have that thread bookmarked

It was a great one.

[Aerows]

67. There were so many DUzy posts in that thread

it was impossible to keep up with them all

[Autumn]

68. That is one of the main reasons I don't use ignore.

To have missed that would be a crime. One of the best threads ever.

[KittyWampus]

89. Listen, that post of mine also included the pilot's recording which debunked the bullshit.

So I posted a map by mistake. Big fucking deal.

It's pathetic you and your clique obsess over that map.

Here is another amusing map for you to obsess over:

[Marr]

90. You didn't debunk anything.

And I can't believe you're actually still defending that nonsense.

[Cali_Democrat]

91. You're confused

The pilot was recorded saying he had to land because of fuel gauge issues.

The pilot was not ordered to land so that Austrian authorities could search the plane for Snowden. The whole brouhaha started because people thought Morales was forced to land over Austrian airspace because they thought he had Snowden on board.

It turns out air traffic control recorded the pilot saying they had to land because of fuel gauge issues.

The entire story was thoroughly debunked.

don't believe everything you read on the interwebz.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. I think the ever vigilant NSA confiscated them...for our safety.

[randome]

29. And rightfully so!

They were full of tiny pole-dancers!


"Hey! Touching's ten bucks extra! I want my manager!"
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

[arely staircase]

42. Elton John once sang

hold me closer tiny pole dancer.

[Fla_Democrat]

95. I thought that was......

young Tony Danza...

[Aerows]

53. I still long

for a real picture of the Bolivian President's flight plan.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3166308

[arely staircase]

54. uh ok

whatever that means.

[Aerows]

55. Oh, you know what I'm talking about

because you participated in that thread.

"I don't remember" suddenly is convenient for not just Reagan and Alberto "73 times I don't recall" Gonzales, but for those that are still attempting to foment hatred for the fact that it was learned that our government has overreached.

Government Overreach. Let's talk about that. Government Overreach is the issue.

Violation of the 4th Amendment. That is the issue. If you have a warrant that allows you to collect data on 12 million people, you don't have 12 million suspected criminals - you have 12 million people that you are trying to turn INTO criminals if they do something you don't like.

[arely staircase]

56. I guess it is some reference to the whole Bolivian Ambassador thing

but I have no idea what point you are trying to make. and what thread did I participate in?

[Aerows]

60. Of course you don't remember

or even vaguely recall the "Bolivian Ambassador thing".

[arely staircase]

63. you said I participated in what ever thread you are talking about

please post a link to it.

[MohRokTah]

59. Who gives a shit if Eddie Galt had boxes in his garage?

I certainly don't.

[arely staircase]

61. nobody ever has

that is the point.

[MohRokTah]

62. Ah, I get it. eom

[Vashta Nerada]

64. I bet that traitorous ass clown eats at the Olive Garden in Moscow.

I once heard he actually did steal candy from a baby.

[arely staircase]

66. only if he is in moscow, idaho

the Russian Moscow has no OG

[Zorra]

69. I believe that the post below may be the source of the phrase

"and he had boxes in his garage!", as a phrase with which DUers who believe that NSA spying is detrimental to democracy often use as a cliche, to mock the various silly, ludicrous arguments used by supporters of the MIC, who were/are angry at Snowden for revealing that the corrupt NSA was/is conducting illegal blanket spying activities.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022983957

The phrase is a nuanced implication widely understood to have the meaning described above, and so, has become a cliche that represents the juvenile arguments of those whose unwavering loyalty to the status quo compels them to blindly defend the MIC from any and all criticism and attack. Their general MO is to lash out at anyone (particularly whistleblowers) who would question or expose the actions of our oligarchical rulers, and their hired official representatives.

[arely staircase]

71. we have covered this one upthread.

Snowden could torture kittens on RT. If someone pointed that out here the response from the Snowdenistas would be "and he has boxes in his garage.

[Zorra]

75. Thank you for validating my point so perfectly! nt

[arely staircase]

76. likewise nt

[Zorra]

82. "neener neener" is not a point that can't be validated.

The personal attacks on Snowden are just y'alls strawmen.

Pointing out that a whistleblower who combats corruption should not be subjected by senseless ridicule from those who support corrupt practices does not make anyone a follower of the whistleblower.

[muriel_volestrangler]

83. But that does show that Politico did disparage him for the boxes

They counted towards "Wasn’t a friendly neighbor". I see I said at the time this showed Politico's "shitty journalistic standards".

[arely staircase]

84. nobody disparaged him for the boxes

The politico story was a round up of what little was known about the guy. Among thos things was the neighbors that told the local tv station that he and his gf standoffish and had moving boxes stacked up in entrance to their garage. Why the emotional investment in defending the man against imaginary assaults on the order or lack thereof of his garage are astounding.

Leave Eddie's boxes alone!

[muriel_volestrangler]

92. The strange thing is your emotional investment; you started a thread on this

and you've replied in it many, many times. The person in the thread who cares about this the most it you. You are denying the obvious - having boxes in the garage was listed in the paragraph 'unfriendly neighbor'.

Other people start threads about what the NSA does, or what Snowden says. You start threads about who said what about boxes in the garage. If only you would leave his boxes alone.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

70. Does anyone get a prize for explaining exactly what harm Snowden has done?

Other than exposing what "everyone already knew"?

[arely staircase]

72. other than giving classified information to China and making propaganda for Putin?

nothing I guess.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

73. And, where is the harm? Bodies? Injuries?

And, you know he was "giving information to China"...how? Because the every trustworthy NSA says so?

He asked Putin a question, Putin answered.

How is that propaganda?

[emulatorloo]

74. Because Chinese reporters wrote about it in a Chinese newspaper.

Didn't hear the Putin radio show. Did Snowden ask a follow up question? Or did he just take Putin,s word for it.

Some folks at DU are fact based, other folks are more intrigued with sloganeering. Of course I am painting w a broad brush. But if that was a crime at DU, there would be no DU'ers.

[Adrahil]

80. Snowden also revealed...

... Perfectly legitimate foreign intelligence operations. Those caused very real harm to US relations. Many Snowden supporters just respond that we shouldn't do such spying, but that is naive in the extreme.

Also Snowden is perfectly content to offer himself up as a propaganda tool to Putin. If Snowden ever REALLY was a threat to Putin, he would come down with a nice little case of polonium poisoning.

[emulatorloo]

77. Everybody who has a garage has boxes. Mr. Snowden was never disparaged here

for having moving boxes in his garage. It was and is a Strawman argument, which I see is still being trotted out today.

Thanks for the thread!

[arely staircase]

78. you are welcome

I posted because just in the past day or two a long time DUr said he has been criticized for boxes in his garage, using that as an example of how over the top critics of Snowden are.

[alcibiades_mystery]

79. I can tell how embarrassed Snowden defenders are about his taped Putin propaganda question

By the volume of these Snowden Defense Committee posts that want to really talk about anything - please Dear Gawd, ANYTHING! - else

Whatever one might think of Snowden's other actions, it's near impossible to defend his decision to abet Putin through that hackneyed and ill-conceived propaganda stunt. That Putin is in the midst of annexing yet another portion of Ukraine and is engaged in vital dialogue with the US and NATO on that issue makes it particularly difficult to defend, and that's not even touching on the matter of Putin's ridiculous domestic record as a petty autocrat.

If Snowden was serious in his questioning of Putin, he appears for all the world to be an utter fool. If he was instead playing along with Putin's nonsense, then it's rather more despicable. Those are the only two readings, and the Snowden Defense Committee knows it, so we get these thousand and one "Oh yeah? Well what about X?" posts.

He's embarrassed his supporters rather badly with this one, as is clear enough.

[Bluenorthwest]

81. I've been meaning to ask you about 'Lent'. You said you gave up posting on

DU for Lent, but then you kept posting occasionally anyway. How is it a sacrifice if you do it anyway? Is it dogmatically correct to 'cut back for Lent'? It thought it involved abstaining from the chosen activities or substances for the duration, not just a sort of harm reduction ritual.

[arely staircase]

86. better explanation than my first

One could give up chocolate cake on Thursdays if they wanted. It is up to you.

[Cali_Democrat]

87. Well I know I linked the first article...

which focused on a local reporter who asked his neighbors questions about Snowden.

The neighbors simply said a few things including the fact he had boxes piled floor-to-ceiling in his garage for the entire six months he lived there. I really didn't think anything of it at the time and I certainly didn't disparage Snowden over having boxes in his garage. I've got boxes in my garage.

I guess I always assumed there were DUers that actually made fun of him for having boxes in his garage, but it looks like nobody on DU did.

So the whole notion that people here made fun of him for having boxes was invented out of thin air.

[arely staircase]

88. your post was best they could find

It is, as treestar said a "straw box"

[Major Nikon]

93. Looneytarian Eddie is a complete piece of shit for having boxes in his garage

[Major Nikon]

94. Found it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024842736#post93

Now what do I win?

[riderinthestorm]

96. Since you're on the hunt, here's the thread that started the Girlfriend/Fiance

The character assassinations came fast and furious in the first few weeks of Snowden's revelations...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014700932

[riderinthestorm]

97. Oh this one was good too...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022998902

[arely staircase]

98. no boxes. so, fail nt