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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:29 PM

Please Support the Onondaga Nation!

I would like to ask DUers to join in this effort to assist the Onondaga Nation. As many of you know, the Onondaga are the Fire Keepers for the Haudenosaunee (Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy). The Two Row Wampum Renewal Campaign is closely allied with Onondaga, and I both trust them and endorse their efforts.

(If possible, please give this OP a "k&r," in order for others to see it. Thank you!)

Here is a link:
http://honorthetworow.org/support-onondaga-nations-quest-for-justice/

Support Onondaga Nationís quest for Justice
Posted on April 16, 2014 by Mager
The Onondaga Nationís quest for Justice took another step forward yesterday!

Two busses carried Onondagas, other Haudenosaunee people and a couple of non-native allies to Washington, DC yesterday. We traveled to show our support for the petition filed by the Onondaga Nation before the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (part of the Organization of American States).

A well-attended news conference was held at the Washington Quaker Meeting House and then we went to the White House (though President Obama wasnít there to welcome us). The Onondaga leaders brought with them the original wampum belt, commissioned by President George Washington, to mark the 1794 Treaty of Canandaigua. The Onondaga continue calling on the US government to honor the Covenant Chain of Treaties. President Obama specifically referred to this when speaking to native leaders last fall. Unfortunately, he is taking no action to honor the commitments, at least not yet. .......

Please join Neighbors of the Onondaga Nation in support of the Onondaga Nation as they bring their Land Rights Action to the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (part of Organization of American States) as the next step in their quest for justice. They will present their petition in Washington, D.C. on Tuesday, April 15.

We will gather at Syracuseís Inner Harbor, where Onondaga Creek begins its final flow into Onondaga Lake. We will hear about the filing and offer our appreciations. If weather permits, those who wish to will walk to the Lake (about a mile). For more information, contact Carol at [email protected] or 315.472.5478

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H2O Man Apr 2014 OP
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Tsiyu Apr 2014 #2
jazzimov Apr 2014 #3
scarletwoman Apr 2014 #4
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panader0 Apr 2014 #6
pangaia Apr 2014 #7
G_j Apr 2014 #8
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2banon Apr 2014 #10
Duppers Apr 2014 #11
DrewFlorida Apr 2014 #12
catbyte Apr 2014 #15
2naSalit Apr 2014 #13
RainDog Apr 2014 #14
Mnemosyne Apr 2014 #16
hootinholler Apr 2014 #17
LoisB Apr 2014 #18
RebelOne Apr 2014 #19
AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #20
proverbialwisdom Apr 2014 #21
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Glorfindel Apr 2014 #24
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Pastiche423 Apr 2014 #27
veness Apr 2014 #28
denbot Apr 2014 #29
NYC_SKP Apr 2014 #30
sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #31
okaawhatever Apr 2014 #32
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Wilms Apr 2014 #33
defacto7 Apr 2014 #34
oldandhappy Apr 2014 #35
Raksha Apr 2014 #36
redgreenandblue Apr 2014 #37
SamKnause Apr 2014 #38
mahina Apr 2014 #39
Tsiyu Apr 2014 #40
sunnystarr Apr 2014 #60
Tsiyu Apr 2014 #61
H2O Man Apr 2014 #41
malthaussen Apr 2014 #42
Zorra Apr 2014 #43
KoKo Apr 2014 #44
kaiden Apr 2014 #45
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mmonk Apr 2014 #47
raging moderate Apr 2014 #48
niyad Apr 2014 #49
mmonk Apr 2014 #50
mmonk Apr 2014 #52
Cooley Hurd Apr 2014 #59
mmonk Apr 2014 #67
Inkfreak Apr 2014 #51
jeff47 Apr 2014 #53
hedgehog Apr 2014 #54
sunnystarr Apr 2014 #65
daleanime Apr 2014 #55
etherealtruth Apr 2014 #56
Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #57
Cooley Hurd Apr 2014 #58
Omaha Steve Apr 2014 #62
sunnystarr Apr 2014 #63
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DiverDave Apr 2014 #66
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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:31 PM

1. k&r nt

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:35 PM

2. A kick


there in spirit....



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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:40 PM

3. K&R

:kick:

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:42 PM

4. A rec and a kick.

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:48 PM

5. knr

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:50 PM

6. K and R

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:50 PM

7. k&r

I used to live a couple blocks from the Ontario County Court House in Canandaigua where the treaty is celebrated, I think every year.
Also have friends active at Ganondagan.

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:58 PM

8. The Onondaga Nationís quest for Justice took another step forward



Two busses carried Onondagas, other Haudenosaunee people and a couple of non-native allies to Washington, DC yesterday. We traveled to show our support for the petition filed by the Onondaga Nation before the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (part of the Organization of American States).
A well-attended news conference was held at the Washington Quaker Meeting House and then we went to the White House (though President Obama wasnít there to welcome us). The Onondaga leaders brought with them the original wampum belt, commissioned by President George Washington, to mark the 1794 Treaty of Canandaigua. The Onondaga continue calling on the US government to honor the Covenant Chain of Treaties. President Obama specifically referred to this when speaking to native leaders last fall. Unfortunately, he is taking no action to honor the commitments, at least not yet.

http://honorthetworow.org/support-onondaga-nations-quest-for-justice/

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:00 PM

9. Kicked and Recommending!

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:11 PM

10. K&R

 

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:12 PM

11. K&R

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:12 PM

12. You have the support of this Cherokee!

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:45 PM

15. And this Ojibwe from Michigan

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:36 PM

13. Always been a life-long supporter... K&R!

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:42 PM

14. k&r n/t

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:11 PM

16. K&R! nt

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:13 PM

17. Absolutely! n/t

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:24 PM

18. K&R

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:28 PM

19. I wish I could be there to support them.

I have always been a supporter of our Native Americans because our ancestors have wronged all of them.

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:30 PM

20. May their noble efforts be successful & long-lasting. nt

 

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:53 PM

21. K&R

PHOTOS: http://flic.kr/p/n9iXbM (click on FitzGibbon Media's photostream)

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:54 PM

22. K&R n/t

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:01 PM

23. kicking. I'm not too far away, actually.....

Recced.

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:18 PM

24. Yes, of course! In honor of my 3-times-great grandmother, who was a Cherokee

Proud to kick and recommend.

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:25 PM

25. K&R

n/t

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:28 PM

26. K & R nt

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:33 PM

27. A kick

and a recommend.

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Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:58 PM

28. K&R! n/t

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:05 AM

29. Ah-Ho!

K&R

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:09 AM

30. K/R. (nt)

 

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:11 AM

31. K&R

May they succeed in their quest for justice. Thank you for the information ...

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:17 AM

32. K & R nt

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:29 AM

33. ^

 

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:52 AM

34. Big K&R

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:07 AM

35. yes and thank you

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:31 AM

36. K & R

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:54 AM

37. k&r

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:16 AM

38. K&R

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 06:01 AM

39. Imua!

Onward!

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:55 AM

40. Another kick



H2O Man: do you know if they've cleaned up Onondaga Lake? When I was a kid, it was so gross, but I haven't been to the lake itself in years.

I remember my dad muttering about Solvay....

Hope they had a great meeting there, anyway.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 06:37 PM

60. yes ...

Onondaga Lake is now cleaner than some of the Finger Lakes.

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Response to sunnystarr (Reply #60)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 06:41 PM

61. That is good to hear


Upstate NY has some beautiful places.

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:30 AM

41. thanks!

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:01 AM

42. Was waiting for your post on this.:)

Any update on your candidacy for State Senator?

-- Mal

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:10 AM

43. Recommend...

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:11 AM

44. Recommend...and sending good thoughts to them in their efforts.

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:49 AM

45. Kick.

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:52 AM

46. Kicked, Recc'd and Tweeted...nt

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:28 PM

47. The least I can do.

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:35 PM

48. There with you in spirit.

When you know you're right, stand your ground.

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:38 PM

49. k and r

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:38 PM

50. Not sure if you are aware Pat

There seems to be a issue with the paypal link.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #50)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:45 PM

52. Also with mailing list.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 06:30 PM

59. What issues?

 

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #59)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 07:08 AM

67. I couldn't get either to work yesterday.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:45 PM

51. I grew up in the 'Cuse. Many of us have a strong respect the Onondagas.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:02 PM

53. Tip:

When seeking support, include enough background so that people unfamiliar with the situation know what you are seeking support for.

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:05 PM

54. My land is included in the map I saw even though the deed goes back to land

granted to a Revolutionary war vet by the Federal government. The Iroquois supported the British during the war, so some of their land was seized then.There are a hell of a lot of people, and millions of dollars worth of development in that territory. As near as I can make out, we're talking about a center slice right through New York State.

http://www.onondaganation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/landmap2.pdf


While I have no problem with some sort of compensation, I think returning the land at this point would be a major problem.

The Onondaga Nation says it wouldn't make me move:

"Will I be moved from my home?

No.
The Onondaga Nation does not intend a mass exodus of people from their homes. As instructed by our ancestors in the Two Row Wampum, we are to live together in Peace and Friendship Forever. To force families from their homes is not a peaceful way. It happened to our Onondaga villages, we wouldnít want a similar trauma to happen today. "

http://www.onondaganation.org/land-rights/faq/#homemoved

What isn't clear to me is whether or not the Onondaga Nation claims title to my home and would claim the right to tax me:

http://www.onondaganation.org/land-rights/goals/

Before anyone decides to flame me, consider this: there isn't a square foot of land in the United States that wasn't one time settled by the Native peoples. Would you want to be told that the city where you live is now the territory of an Indian Nation? There needs to be a lot of discussion on how to resolve the injustices of the past.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #54)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:44 PM

65. We owned 4 homes in that area

with two of them right on top of Onondaga Hill. It's so politically correct to agree with the plight of Native Americans due to our history of abusing our nation's tribes.


The Onondaga Nation has never sold or otherwise relinquished its lands or its rights as a sovereign nation. Between 1788 and 1822 the State of New York took approximately 2.5 million acres of Onondaga Nation land, violating federal law, the Constitution and various treaties.

....

Today, the Onondaga Nation consists of a 7,300-acre territory just south of Syracuse, NY.

http://www.onondaganation.org/news/2014/the-onondaga-nation-files-petition-against-united-states-with-inter-american-commission-on-human-rights-41514/


so what does 2.5 million acres look like?



And up in Watertown you have Fort Drum. It include Skaneateles Lake which is the main water supply for Syracuse. All this for an agreement made almost 200 years ago while our country was in its infancy? The Onondaga Nation cast its lot with this lawsuit instead of building a casino like their neighbors did with the Turning Stone. I remember this going on since the 70's.

If they were to prevail they would own that slice of CNY. Why should they prevail? As unfortunate as it was for Native Americans, we came, we saw, and we conquered. They lost and now cry fowl and want it back. I just can't muster up any sympathy for descendants who are really poor stewards of the land they own now. However they'll just rent everybody their land while residents still pay their mortgages. All property owners wouldn't have clear title to their land ... indeed it wouldn't be their land.

Offer reparations maybe? How would one even begin? We'd have to offer reparations to every tribe then and to whoever else was treated unfairly throughout history. They all have descendants too. Without some statute of limitations how far back can we all go? Why not a few centuries? Sure would keep a lot of lawyers very happy lol.



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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:19 PM

55. K&R....

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:03 PM

56. thank you for posting this

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:15 PM

57. K & R! nt

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 06:29 PM

58. I implore everyone to go to Nedrow, NY and SPEND YOUR MONEY!

 

Smokes, gas, whatever. Just support your neighbors in Nedrow!!!

...and I did the 2014 thing and shared this on FB, Pat.

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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 06:46 PM

62. K & R!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 06:47 PM

63. Support them in what?

I lived on Onondaga Hill for years in an area adjacent to the Onondaga Indian Reservation. The only thing I can remember is the tribe demanding all the land returned to them. You can understand that our family and people in the area weren't too supportive of our properties being returned to the tribe about something a century ago.

The area is breathtaking in its beauty. I've just never been a proponent of people wanting things that their ancestors fought and lost - either land or agreements made by people on both sides who are now long dead. Like everything else there should be a statute of limitations.

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Response to sunnystarr (Reply #63)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:31 PM

64. Why shouldn't they request that? It was THEIR LAND that was stolen..and taken by

force. That you profited and see that as your legacy doesn't mean that the land wasn't stolen.
That there are people whose land was stolen from them would have a right to fight to have it back to them?

I don't know where on this Earth your ancestors came from...but, if you are like most Americans your family was an immigrant who came here and owned Nothing. And they fled countries where their property rights were taken away. But, America was the NEW COUNTRY...and the Native Americans had the rights to the land they lived on because of their possession of it as "Keepers of the Earth."

Very different from Europe....and the European Model was then imposed on the "Keepers of the Land.'

We are all invaders if we are not the Native Americans.. And we took their land through disgusting terms and they are now involved in taking away Immigrants like you and my rights...to use to Frack and defile for Multi-National Oil Companies.

I understand your view as an Immigrant-- just as I and my Irish/English/French blood mixed Ancestors who took a boat here in the late 1700's from Ireland after fleeing England over religious purge....But we ALL are responsible for taking land away from the native inhabitants of the "NEW COUNTRY". And, respect is owed to those who had this "New Country" to Themselves while all the rest of the world went through their territorial disputes thousands of years before "The New Country" did.

There wereTREATIES SIGNED with the Native Americans whose land we STOLE...and those TREATIES should be Honored. It's our Obligation. We signed it....and Those Treaties should be honored.


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Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:51 PM

66. kick and rec

eom

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Sat Apr 19, 2014, 07:13 AM

68. du rec.

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Sat Apr 19, 2014, 09:24 AM

69. K&R nt

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Sat Apr 19, 2014, 09:36 AM

70. My Onandaga don't want none 'less you got wamp-um, hun... n/t

 

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