REID Finally Says IT: Bundy supporters are ‘domestic terrorists’

[kpete]

“They’re nothing more than domestic terrorists,” Reid said Thursday at an event hosted by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, according to the newspaper. “I repeat: what happened there was domestic terrorism.”

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/203821-reid-bundy-supporters-are-domestic-terrorists#ixzz2zBW1aTh6

[The Magistrate]

1. True, Ma'am --- And It Ought To Be Treated Accordingly

These people need to be swept up in nets....

[AngryAmish]

24. Planet of the Apes style?

[lillypaddle]

25. Whatever works nt

[busterbrown]

39. and fed to the cattle..

[NYtoBush-Drop Dead]

153. The Repugs in CONgress

are domestic terrorists too. Funded by the Koch suckers which makes them terrorists as well.

[WillyT]

2. Give 'Em Hell, Harry !!! - K & R !!!

[pangaia]

3. In that is exactly what the FBI was saying

some years ago.. speaking of the threat of domestic terrorism.

[malaise]

4. K & R

for truth

[snappyturtle]

5. We need to think about this. How long before anyone who protests is

classified as a domestic terrorist? With the Patriotic Act, NDAA, loss of habeas corpus, etc. dangerous but maybe it's just me.

[Bandit]

6. Do you protest with an AR-15 locked and loaded and aimed at law enforcement?

Anytime you bring a weapon, you are attempting to intimidate or terrorize. It is just that simple.

[snappyturtle]

13. Are you really going to make me put a picture into photobucket to post of the

BLM aiming at the citizens who pay their salaries? I'm not happy this confrontation happened in the first place. Rory Reid said the BLM are "losers" as are the American taxpayers and the protesters. But, be honest. It was the BLM which came out with the big guns,dogs, tasers, free speech zones and no fly zone (still in effect last I checked)....so......like drawing salve they brought out the militias whom I'm sure they want to ID and with facial recognition systems they should be able to do that. For some reason I think I remember being taught that Federal forces wouldn't turn on the citizens....of course that's probably all changed now. Frankly, I can't keep up with all the erosion of freedoms. imho

[VanillaRhapsody]

33. How were you expecting them to confiscate the cattle illegally feeding on that ground?

do you think Bundy was just going to hand them over?

[snappyturtle]

66. I think if the BLM wanted to impound, not confiscate, the cattle they could

have done so with a lot less intimidation.....they had precedent for doing this in other NV counties.

[VanillaRhapsody]

75. uh no

[leftieNanner]

42. "Erosion of Freedoms"??????

Are you kidding me??? You sound like the Half Term Governor of Alaska there. Also.

Bundy is grazing his animals on Federal Land. He is supposed to pay $1.35 per head for that privilege. He has not paid the bill. So the BLM was right to remove his cattle from the property. They prudently backed off to avoid a violent confrontation. The rancher still owes the money.

If you don't send in your car payment, they repossess the vehicle. There's no erosion of freedom here.

[snappyturtle]

67. Never used that term. nt

[whopis01]

84. By "that term", do you mean the term "erosion of freedoms"?

Just making sure that I am following the conversation properly.

[n2doc]

43. So all cops who draw guns are terrorists?

Law enforcement has the right to use force if necessary. This has been the case since the founding of this country. They are trained to know when to do so, only when necessary. You may not agree with them, but it is part of their job.

Average citizens cannot go around pointing guns at law enforcement personnel in an effort to intimidate. To allow this risks chaos and anarchy.

[snappyturtle]

68. Never said that either. nt

[Blanks]

107. I disagree with you, but...

I commend you for wading in with an unpopular opinion.

...and what you are saying does KIND OF agree with the prevailing opinion about the 'occupy movement'. However, the occupiers provided passive resistance - had they been carrying guns, it would have been terrorism too.

[frylock]

53. yes, i would like you to put a picture into photobucket..

or you could just link to the picture. or perhaps you were in attendance, and you shot this photo yourself?

[snappyturtle]

71. No I did not take the photograph nor was I in attendance but the photographer,

Shannon Bushman must have been. The photograph was posted on VICE news.



Our BLM agents with protesters in their sights....

[JesterCS]

85. why is the one in front holding a paintball gun? n/t

[arely staircase]

86. the protesters with guns? nt

[frylock]

91. the gun trained on the protestors carries pepper balls..

the agent behind him is carrying a gun that fires beanbags. unsure of the agent behind him. the gentleman below has an actual rifle that fires real live rounds, and it is trained on BLM agents.

[snappyturtle]

92. Thanks for the info. You will agree they look threatening to the untrained eye

and from a distance I would bet the protesters would agree with me. As far as the guy on the overpass...how do you know where he has his sight trained? It would be a dangerous line (missing protesters) to aim at BLM agents who were behind the protesters.

[frylock]

93. he has good line of sight from his position..

he's aiming at the white vehicle on the left. it looks like the photos could've been taken within seconds of each other. you can see the BLM agents standing next to the vehicle on the left.

[MynameisBlarney]

117. Looks like non-lethal weapons

And for the last time....they're NOT PROTESTORS.

[lobodons]

57. Make sure to include Reagan in your pic

Make sure to include Reagan in your pic since he is the one who signed the Executive Order requiring Ranchers to pay the Federal land grazing fee.

[snappyturtle]

69. I am wellaware of Reagan's EO. I am not now nor ever was a fan of his. nt

[former9thward]

115. Not to confuse things with facts ....

The law requiring grazing fees was passed in 1978 and signed by Carter.

From the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 (Public Law 95 - 514);

(3) charge a fee for public grazing use which is equitable and
reflects the concerns addressed in paragraph (a) (5) above


http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-92/pdf/STATUTE-92-Pg1803.pdf

The law was passed and signed three years before Reagan came to office.

[eridani]

70. The freedom to shit in the reservoir is a freedom that damned well ought to be eroded n/t

[snappyturtle]

72. Translation, please. nt

[NuclearDem]

88. Oh by the Eight, you have GOT to be kidding me.

The man was a freeloader who called out for a bunch of racist gunhumping scum to stop the Feds from enforcing the law and making him obey the rules we all agree to be bound by.

FFS.

[snappyturtle]

90. Sources? Nice language. Nevermind....you guys want hate? Breed yourselves into oblivion

in the putrid political petri dish you've created.

If you were astute, you'd realize the "rules we all agree to live by" morph to fit the needs of the BLM and whoever is hiding behind them in NV.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

104. Let's assume you own a house

Some people start squatting in that house. Are you going to have armed police remove them? Or is that against your principles?

[Blanks]

108. This establishes a precedent...

If you see a HUD repo that you like - you can move in, invite your friends with guns and it is yours.

All you have to do is explain that you don't believe in HUD because your family owned houses before HUD existed - therefore it is your property.

Apparently, you won't be expected to pay taxes on it either.

[MynameisBlarney]

116. Those "citizens" are not paying the salaries of the BLM employeess, lol

They're "Sovereign Citizens" they're an anti-govt. militia...you think they pay taxes?

[snappyturtle]

124. And you know all of this beyond a reasonable doubt.

[MynameisBlarney]

130. Of course I don't

But from everything I've been reading, and all the tv news segments regarding this subject, they're at the very least members of a militia.
99.9% of which are anti-govt asshole racist militias...

[snappyturtle]

135. "Racist" too? OK. nt

[MynameisBlarney]

145. How many militias have you ever heard of that aren't

full of white separatists?

[Paladin]

23. +100. Intimidation and terrorism.

[B Calm]

10. I have never taken my firearms with me to a protest!

Are you serious?

[snappyturtle]

14. How many times did you protest in front of armed federal employees? nt

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024833068

[B Calm]

15. So what?

[snappyturtle]

16. Nevermind. I just disagree with you. Time will tell. I still would like an

answer because as it stands I can only assume your answer is, never.

[VanillaRhapsody]

34. Bundy has been in contempt for 20 yrs....

this was NOT a protest....

[snappyturtle]

76. I have to wonder why it took the BLM so long to prosecute.

Could be they had bigger fish to reign in auctioning BLM lands off to the highest biddest to reap profits for NV. Reid is most defensive about this matter and the Tule Springs bill has been tabled that would allow the profits to be deposited to the U.S. Treasury so all citizens could benefit from these federal lands located in NV.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/gop-leader-say-nevada-s-tule-springs-bill-has-merit-also-technical-issues

Nevadans said they feared the amendment, which likely would have passed the Republican-controlled committee, would chip away at the state’s lucrative conservation law, the Southern Nevada Public Land Management Act.

The 1998 law directs profits from federal land auctions in the valley to be spent on schools, parks, Lake Tahoe preservation and recreation projects in the state. Over the years the sale of more than 15,000 acres has generated more than $3 billion.

But Resources Committee leaders said keeping land receipts within the state now amounts to a violation of the 2010 House ban on earmarks. Rep. Rob Bishop, R-Utah, chairman of the public lands subcommittee, said Wednesday the Horsford bill could be killed on a “point of order” if it reached the House floor as written. More likely, GOP leaders wouldn’t bring it to the floor at all, he said.

Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., said he would withdraw support for the bill, effectively killing it, rather than allow it to pass with language that he said would “gut” the land management act.

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PROTEST: ??? seems to fit for me but if you don't want to call it that maybe you could tell me of a better term.

noun

noun: protest; plural noun: protests

/ˈprōˌtest/

a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something.

synonyms:

objection, complaint, exception, disapproval, challenge, dissent, demurral, remonstration, fuss, outcry

[VanillaRhapsody]

82. Uh no.....he doesn't recognize the Federal Govt.....that is not a protest....

and he called in his band of loony militia members to defend him against the Federal Govt employees that he doesn't recognize...

He also DEMANDED that the Federal Employees surrender their weapons to him....

This isn't HIS land....its OUR land.....

[snappyturtle]

87. If it's truly our land why does the BLM auction it off only to benefit NV?

We're not talking small numbers....last I saw 3.3 billion dollars.

[aikoaiko]

83. And the jury results are in...

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[snappyturtle]

89. I have been a member of DU since. Aug. of 2005 and I am insulted anyone

could find my post as stated in the alert. If we, and I mean DU as a whole, want to be part of the solution we need to look at the facts. Believe me I have GLO and DOI records to look at, Harry Reid's website itself, et.al. to back up what I am saying. There is little hope for those who only want to view the world with tunnel vision. So as long as I've miffed people off, hang on to your sensibilities: the BLM has been a cash cow for the State of NV and if any of you would bother to look up the proceedings before jumping all over me, you would arrive at the same place. NV has been hard hit by the recession and I'm sure it's part of the reason for the milking. The state has realized 3.3 billion dollars from the BLM land sales while claiming it has to shut down the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center at the end of this year due to lack of funds when the proceeds are partially to go towards conservation among other state needs or wants! It shouldn't claim to be the steward of the land when convenient and then change the requirements to fit political/economic needs if 'needed'. Bye.

[Blanks]

109. I must have missed the links that you're talking about...

The link to Harry Reid's web site supporting your assertion might be a good place to establish your credibility.

[siligut]

111. Maybe people would understand your position a little better if . . .

You would just explain to them that you are Mormon.

[snappyturtle]

128. I don't understand what my religion would have to do with this situation.

No, I am not a Mormon.

[A Simple Game]

98. Really?

I have to wonder why it took the BLM so long to prosecute.

You have 8, 10, 12? posts complaining that they are there and why they are there, and now you want to know what took them so long!

Make up my mind.

[snappyturtle]

136. Yes, really. Why did they wait 20 years? There have been two court orders,

as I understand it. One in 1998 and the latest mid year 2013. I assume it's the last one that precipatated the effort to impound the cattle. Why didn't this happen in, let's say, 1994? 1995? Was Bundy less guilty then? It just doesn't smell right to me....that is all.

[kristopher]

32. Do you understand the social contract involving use of force in a civilized nation?

Is it your wish for the US to be like Somalia?

Your support of these domestic right wing nut job terrorists has no place on DU.

[snappyturtle]

78. I thought this board strived to be educated on as many aspects of an issue

as possible. I have never said I support the protesters however, I have endeavored to point out factors some may not have considered but many across the U.S. have. Frankly I'm tired of knee jerk responses.
Both sides need to listen to each other for resolution and unity....as difficult as that may be.

Nomeclatures such as "domestic right wing not job terrorists" is grade school mud slinging and detracts from the credibility of this board. After all, DU can be viewed by anyone. imho

[kristopher]

79. So the answer is "No" you do not understand the social contract.

We don't need you to point out the view of right wing nut job terrorists for us. The perspective and its inherent insanity is crystal clear those grounded in reality.

[snappyturtle]

80. Actually I do understand the social contract.

My father was a SAC for the FBI for two decades while I lived under his roof. I know the need of law in society. However,I do not believe that contract should be skewed to fit political objectives and both sides of the Bundy controversy are doing that at present.

Au contraire, I think I do need to point out opposing viewpoints...must be difficult to realize there are such for those cemented in their beliefs. I hope you're not employed as any type of negotiator. Keep calling others names and pointing out differences....there will be no peace in doing that though. Maybe you enjoy discord. Many do.

[okaawhatever]

95. Did it occur to you that the Bundy types raised their weapons first? nt

[PatrynXX]

49. as I'm still wanting Leonard Peltier out

I have issues with him saying that... Harry's gone a bit conservative on that one

[2naSalit]

51. Many conservation and environmental groups

have been deemed just that since shrub hit the white house, so... this appears to be the moniker being appropriately place, finally.

[Arkana]

63. No, because we don't show up to protest waving guns and threatening violence.

Do you not see the difference?

[tblue37]

73. Or threatening to use women as human shields if the shooting starts! nt

[CanonRay]

105. There's protest

and then there's protest carrying military style weapons. Not the same thing in my book.

[MynameisBlarney]

113. My understanding is that

they're those "sovereign citizens", they are most definitely anti-American domestic terrorists.

And they were not protesting.
They were protecting a criminal.

[Kingofalldems]

7. Hannity.

[kpete]

8. yep.

[Cali_Democrat]

9. People also have to look at this from the perspective of race

Can you imagine the reaction if a bunch of blacks with assault rifles took up positions like that and set their sights on federal officers?

The reaction would be totally different.

Another example of white privilege.

[steve2470]

12. exactly

They would either all be arrested or dead.

[Separation]

21. You mean like these fellows?

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[Cali_Democrat]

26. Sorry. I'm at work so my firewalll is blocking that picture

Can you please describe....

[Separation]

47. It's a pretty famous picture

It a picture of the Black Panthers on the steps on the California state Capitol brandishing weapons in protest of open carry law.

Some here are trying to pin me to comparing the cause of the BP's to Bundy, which I am not. I am just showing a group of black men openly carrying rifles in the presence of law enforcement without being shot or killed.

[Moostache]

28. False equivalency much?

How many of the black men in that photo had been illegally using federal lands and ignoring fines and avoiding paying up to $1,000,000? I also notice that there is a police officer RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PICTURE and NONE OF THEM are pointing their weapons at him and trying to force him to back down...

Trying to equate the Black Panthers to the Cliven Bundy shitkickers and friends old time Western gun-stroke - is like comparing an apple to a tomato...aside from very superficial exterior similarities, they are nothing alike on the inside.

[Separation]

48. Show me a picture

Show me a picture of the Bundy group pointing their weapons at law enforcement while standing feet away. The only picture I saw was some guy hiding behind a concrete barrier no telling how far away he was and the LEO's more than likely had no idea he was pointing a weapon at them until after the fact when the picture came out.

Don't put words into my mouth. I'm not equating Bundy to the BP's. I am showin an example of a group of black men carrying weapons right by LEO's as a poster suggested.

[arcane1]

74. We can ignore the concrete barrier guy because he was merely a sniper??

[Separation]

81. Or maybe...

Just maybe, LEO's didn't see him? Do you really believe that they saw him and did nothing?

[LanternWaste]

101. That's a clever way to rationalization it...

"Just maybe, LEO's didn't see him? "

That's a clever way to rationalization it...

[VanillaRhapsody]

36. Yeah....how do Bundy and his "pals" feel about THOSE guys with weapons?

[n2doc]

44. Must be law enforcement up there somewhere

since they aren't pointing those guns at anyone in the picture or on the ground.

I suspect they also were targeted for arrest later.

[lumberjack_jeff]

46. The Black Panthers? The group that J Edgar Hoover described as...

"the greatest threat to the internal security of the country"

Probably the most surveilled, spied upon and arrested group in the history of ever?

How about we treat these Nevada assholes just like 'em.

You're making the posters point for him.

[Separation]

52. This is what I was replying to

9. People also have to look at this from the perspective of race
Can you imagine the reaction if a bunch of blacks with assault rifles took up positions like that and set their sights on federal officers?

The reaction would be totally different.

Another example of white privilege.

I am in no way comparing the BP's to Bundys group. How many times do I have to say this?

[jeff47]

118. And what happened after that picture?

A wave of gun control laws.

You are doing an excellent job demonstrating that minorities with guns are treated differently.

[PatrynXX]

50. hence Leonard Peltier

he's still in jail.

[lobodons]

58. Fox went bezerk on 2

Fox went bezerk when 2 Unarmed Blacks showed up at a polling place in 2008

[steve2470]

11. wtg Harry, you nailed it ! nt

[RainDog]

17. k&r n/t

[Beartracks]

18. Freedumb fighters! n/t

[mdbl]

54. ROFL

Great description for them!

[The Wizard]

19. And Fox News throws fuel on the fire

Fox is a terrorist organization bent on the destruction of a duly elected president again.

[Democracyinkind]

20. I hate the term "domestic" terrorist.

Terrorism is Terrorism is Terrorism.

Most terrorist acts against US citizens are committed by domestics. If we would simply call them terrorists, people would maybe stop associating terrorism with "brown" and "islamic".

That's just a pet peeve though. Good job Harry! Calling them what they are shouldn't be the exception, but the rule.

[MohRokTah]

30. I consider domestic terrorism FAR WORSE than international terrorism.

Domestic terrorism carries the whiff of treason on top of the violence.

[kristopher]

35. Change "whiff" to "stench" and you've nailed it. nt

[MohRokTah]

37. I was being nice.

But you probably nailed it.

[Enthusiast]

94. +1

[City Lights]

22. Thank you, Harry!

[lostincalifornia]

27. and hannity is part of it

[MohRokTah]

29. Thank DOG for Harry Reid.

Finally a major politician calls it for what it was.

[Iliyah]

31. And fake news egging them for violence and death.

[Rose Siding]

38. Damn straight.

Glad he isn't tip-toeing around these thugs.

[flashsmith99]

40. Same can be said for NRA and republicans

[Gore1FL]

41. Technically, haven't the teabilly militia renounced their citizenship?

They deny the country exists, after all.

They are foreign terrorists.

[maindawg]

45. Of course it was

I am amazed that my right wing friends have actually become terrorists. They learned to bully from Rush, they are being programmed by the right wing noise machine the faux propaganda machine to become terrorists. Here is proof.

[mdbl]

55. Funny they learned from a yellow pot bellied pig like rush

He would probably wet himself if he weren't hiding behind the moldy eib microphone

[Nanjing to Seoul]

56. Harry, what is the long, hard thing you've developed in your back that goes from your neck to your

tailbone?

Be careful, that disease that has inflicted you has the symptom of political ramifications. The only cure is playing it safe and triangulating and compromising with people who hate you.

[DallasNE]

59. Reid Should Have Gone Further

What is the common thread that ties these domestic terrorists together. None other than the NRA so why not call the NRA a domestic terrorist organization.

[toby jo]

60. Follow through, Harry.

Now what?

[Arkana]

61. Is it me or did Harry Reid's switch get stuck in IDGAF mode

ever since the 2012 election?

[Politicub]

62. Proud of Harry

He's been telling it like it is a lot lately.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

64. KICK KICK KICK! go viral!!!!!

Guerilla news media.

[Historic NY]

65. First time a Homeland Security drone flew over they go running home...

bundy is determined to get the government to fire the first shot, but from the looks of the pictures one of the militia yahoos might cause him bigger problems.

[Takket]

77. So, Mr. Reid, what is the government going to do about these terrorists???

[Dwayne Hicks]

96. Simple

Issue arrest warrants for every militia member there including Bundy, attempt to serve those warrants and if they resist then the terrorists will be exposed for what they are.

[Takket]

152. i'm waiting patiently for that annoucement to be made!

[egold2604]

97. In 1993, the number of cattle he was allowed to graze was capped at 150

According to Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff, Bundy stopped paying when the number of cattle he could graze was capped at 150 head, mainly to allow the land to recover from years of neglect and from the effects of wildfires. So not only does he not believe in the Federal Government, but he doesn't care a bit about the environment.

The grazing rules for the land went through changes over the years, including some updated grazing rules in 1993 in the Gold Butte and Bunkerville land area of Nevada. Among other issues, the 1993 rules were changed to protect the endangered desert tortoise. Other rules included limits to the number of cattle allowed in certain areas[16] to protect the lands from the severe over-grazing caused by less regulation in previous years and to help the land recover from recent wildfires.[17] Currently there are no grazing permits on the Bunkerville allotment, and any livestock on that land are there illegally. Bundy owns land previously considered base property and paid AUM animal unit permit fees prior to 1993 for grazing on the nearby Bunkerville Allotment area. Bundy asserts that the terms of land use changes in 1993 reduced his allowed cattle by 90%, capping it to about 150 animals.

[GoneFishin]

99. If any of these guys was wearing turbans instead of cowboy hats there would be a

flotilla on it's way to Guantanamo to drop off some new residents.

[Katashi_itto]

100. Goddamn time.

[Thinkingabout]

102. Welfare Cowboy, he bitches about gubermint and turns around and sticks his hand

Out for the give me. What a drip. The libertarian thinkers lines up behind him shouting too much gubermint and "protecting him. Yep, Harry is right home grown terrorist. Would live to find out how many of his militia is on disability.

[cantbeserious]

103. About Time

eom

[Baconeater]

106. Hypocrisy of the right wing

This seems to be another polarizing issue. What I find hypocritical is this situation is very similar to when a illegal buildings go up in Israel (mostly by Palestinians, but sometimes by Jews). It has led to the razing of buildings and evacuation of the properties in many cases. Personally, I feel that if someone builds on land they don't own or that the government owns, they should be evicted. I don't want to get into the subjectivity involved with Israel but I'm just bringing this up as an analogy.
But it seems that many of the same people who call squatters who fire at those trying to evict them terrorists, are not calling Bundy a terrorist. To me, in both cases they are terrorists. But then again, I'm not a hypocrite.

[Omnith]

110. I think Harry Reid needs to reacquaint himself with the definition of terrorism.

Just to let you know terrorism is used for the pursuit of political aims. What happened in NV was a legal dispute not political, but I guess saying outrageous things is the new normal.

[siligut]

114. Bundy and his followers are threatening violence against the federal government

His political aim is to weaken America's governing force so he and his followers can instill their own rules. Your avatar would indicate that you already know this.

Harry Reid no doubt knows it too, lucky for democracy he has a better grasp of reality than other members of his religion.

[Omnith]

119. Clearly you know more about it than me.

You appear to be making some strange assumptions about Bundy's political aim, assumptions I am not familiar with.

It is true that violence was threatened, however, as I said before it was a legal dispute not political so cannot be terrorism.

[jeff47]

120. The man does not recognize the existence of the federal government.

It sure as hell is political.

[Omnith]

122. I did not know he does not recognize the existence of the government.

Do you have a reference you could site? From what I've read it sounded like he wasn't paying taxes. Do all people who refuse to pay taxes not recognize the government, I doubt it, they probably just don't want to pay the taxes.

I understand that Bundy doesn't believe the taxes are justified, which is clearly a legal dispute.

[jeff47]

123. It's in EVERY STORY about him.

You didn't know? Yeah, that's a massive steaming pile of bullshit.

Here's 1,780,000 articles for you to peruse.

[Omnith]

125. It appears you did not read the article yourself.

It plainly says he does not recognize the tax imposed. No were does he say he does not recognize the government.

[jeff47]

126. It appears you did not read shit.

Because there was not one article in that link. There were about 1.8 million.

What, exactly, is such transparent stupidity supposed to get you?

[Omnith]

129. lol, I read a few of the articles, they all said the same thing.

[jeff47]

132. No, actually they didn't.

Here's the very first article:

Bundy says that his family has grazed here since the nineteenth century and that he doesn't recognize the authority of the federal government.

Golly, the word "Tax" doesn't show up at all in the article. And that's just the very first one.

And that's even if we assume your restriction that terrorism can only be political. There's no such restriction. An ex- can terrorise their former spouse, for example.

You are shoveling a pile of bullshit. Why?

[pinboy3niner]

134. Bundy: "But I don't recognize the United States government as even existing."

Interview with conservative talk radio host Dana Loesch (audio): http://danaloeschradio.com/the-western-war-last-remaining-rancher-vs-the-federal-govt/

[Omnith]

137. I see, that's not in any article, my bad.

[pinboy3niner]

139. It is both quoted and paraphrased in MANY articles. nt

[Omnith]

144. I read many articles and that is not true.

Regardless of Bundy's perseptions the issue was always a legal one.

[pinboy3niner]

149. Not true, lol? Googling that specific quote yields "About 128,000 results."

Tons of articles that quote it directly or paraphrase it.

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GZAG_enUS431US431&q=But+I+don't+recognize+the+United+States+government+as+even+existing+and+bundy

[randys1]

127. You are describing the teaparty

[Omnith]

131. The teaparty says outrages things, that is certainly true.

[workinclasszero]

112. Teabaggers are neo-KKK terrorists

I thought everybody knew that already. Does anyone think that these nazi gun humpers will not resort to violence and murder as their pathetic white supremacy movement dies off every day and their political influence goes with it?

[Phlem]

121. I have mixed feelings about this.

While in general I feel great that it has been said finally, I hope this doesn't open the door for "Domestic Terrorism Police" I hate to be looking out for everything I do in 10 years because I could labeled a "Domestic Terrorist". And where do we draw the line on who and who is not a Domestic Terrorist?



-p

[Paladin]

133. How about not aiming assault weapons at government employees lawfully doing their jobs?

Or is that benchmark too restrictive for you?

[Phlem]

140. Give me a break.

"How about not aiming assault weapons at government employees lawfully doing their jobs?"

Doesn't this happen on a daily basis some where in the good ole USA?



-p

[Paladin]

141. I think you've revealed a lot more about yourself than you intended. (nt)

[Phlem]

143. Oh, OK

guess you got me, goodnight and sleep tight.



-p

"I think you've revealed a lot more about yourself than you intended."

PS it's always heartening to see someone be a dick to non malicious post.

[Paladin]

146. Hey, if you're happy, I'm happy. (nt)

[Phlem]

147. And full ignore.

buh by.

Should have realized you were from Texass.

[Paladin]

148. Appreciate it. (nt)

[lark]

138. Besides the crime of terrorism, there's also grand theft

and attempted murder. So despicable.

[Vashta Nerada]

142. They are domestic terrorists and should be treated as such.

[Phlem]

150. funny how assholes show up for no reason at all in this thread

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just to be assholes. My asshole ignore list is growing and I can remember a time up to recently when there was no such list.

Anyway, now that that child has been taking care of, back to the op.

Yeay, Harry go get em! Just don't open the door to a Military State because we all know the lines get very blurry when it comes to the word "terrorist".

Took a while but the spine is growing very well.

-p

[Paladin]

151. Excuse me: Weren't you supposed to put me on Full Ignore?

Is there some sort of holdup? Anything I can do to facilitate the process?

Those of us from "Texass" have our faults, but we do try to help out in situations such as this.

[Turbineguy]

154. The problem is

that for the Bundy Supporters that coming from Reid is a compliment.

[napkinz]

155. he's right ...

[joe_stampingbull]

156. Bundy and his gang are criminals

These scum must be crushed immediately by the full force of the law.