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Warren, Clinton, Sanders, etc. Who would you vote for?

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Who would you vote for as of right now?
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Elisabeth Warren
57 (52%)
Hillary Clinton
14 (13%)
Bernie Sanders
32 (29%)
Skinner
1 (1%)
EarlG
0 (0%)
Manny
2 (2%)
WillyT
1 (1%)
n2doc
0 (0%)
Scuba
0 (0%)
George Clinton
3 (3%)
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Reply Warren, Clinton, Sanders, etc. Who would you vote for? (Original post)
L0oniX Apr 2014 OP
Scuba Apr 2014 #1
madokie Apr 2014 #2
HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #3
L0oniX Apr 2014 #4
Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #127
NightWatcher Apr 2014 #8
L0oniX Apr 2014 #11
HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #13
Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2014 #23
SidDithers Apr 2014 #122
FailureToCommunicate Apr 2014 #24
L0oniX Apr 2014 #44
sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #86
nyabingi Apr 2014 #52
Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #90
InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2014 #132
NCTraveler Apr 2014 #5
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #105
LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #6
Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #7
JDPriestly Apr 2014 #10
ananda Apr 2014 #9
Scuba Apr 2014 #12
L0oniX Apr 2014 #14
VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #101
Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #106
VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #109
InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2014 #133
heaven05 Apr 2014 #15
L0oniX Apr 2014 #17
el_bryanto Apr 2014 #16
Trust Buster Apr 2014 #18
L0oniX Apr 2014 #20
cascadiance Apr 2014 #49
Trust Buster Apr 2014 #58
cascadiance Apr 2014 #62
Trust Buster Apr 2014 #68
Enthusiast Apr 2014 #89
Dawgs Apr 2014 #53
Logical Apr 2014 #65
joshcryer Apr 2014 #130
Logical Apr 2014 #61
Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2014 #81
JHB Apr 2014 #19
wyldwolf Apr 2014 #21
Polito Vega Apr 2014 #22
bunnies Apr 2014 #25
L0oniX Apr 2014 #50
Zorra Apr 2014 #57
Cal33 Apr 2014 #115
ancianita Apr 2014 #26
treestar Apr 2014 #27
2naSalit Apr 2014 #28
ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2014 #29
L0oniX Apr 2014 #46
Scuba Apr 2014 #51
ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2014 #78
L0oniX Apr 2014 #85
Cal33 Apr 2014 #116
ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2014 #120
L0oniX Apr 2014 #131
Cal33 Apr 2014 #134
L0oniX Apr 2014 #136
NorthCarolina Apr 2014 #30
LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #31
NorthCarolina Apr 2014 #32
LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #67
L0oniX Apr 2014 #75
Howler Apr 2014 #33
bigwillq Apr 2014 #34
brooklynite Apr 2014 #38
bigwillq Apr 2014 #39
brooklynite Apr 2014 #59
bigwillq Apr 2014 #74
brooklynite Apr 2014 #76
1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #35
brooklynite Apr 2014 #36
GoCubsGo Apr 2014 #42
malthaussen Apr 2014 #37
L0oniX Apr 2014 #43
malthaussen Apr 2014 #45
L0oniX Apr 2014 #48
Iggo Apr 2014 #40
LoisB Apr 2014 #41
LittleBlue Apr 2014 #47
Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #54
brooklynite Apr 2014 #60
Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #63
tabbycat31 Apr 2014 #96
TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #99
tabbycat31 Apr 2014 #108
TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #121
GOPee Apr 2014 #123
TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #124
GOPee Apr 2014 #125
TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #138
tabbycat31 Apr 2014 #139
betterdemsonly Apr 2014 #55
mvd Apr 2014 #56
Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #64
mylye2222 Apr 2014 #100
VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #66
Logical Apr 2014 #77
VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #82
Logical Apr 2014 #84
ChangeUp106 Apr 2014 #80
VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #83
Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #69
Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #70
Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #71
intheflow Apr 2014 #72
stage left Apr 2014 #73
ChangeUp106 Apr 2014 #79
TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #87
L0oniX Apr 2014 #94
Enthusiast Apr 2014 #88
Jasana Apr 2014 #91
mahina Apr 2014 #92
mylye2222 Apr 2014 #93
MohRokTah Apr 2014 #95
La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2014 #97
Spirochete Apr 2014 #98
workinclasszero Apr 2014 #102
L0oniX Apr 2014 #103
Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #104
L0oniX Apr 2014 #110
Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #112
Marrah_G Apr 2014 #117
L0oniX Apr 2014 #118
SteveG Apr 2014 #107
Hutzpa Apr 2014 #111
L0oniX Apr 2014 #113
Hutzpa Apr 2014 #114
Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #119
dionysus Apr 2014 #126
Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #128
joshcryer Apr 2014 #129
Name removed Apr 2014 #135
Beacool Apr 2014 #137
loyalsister Apr 2014 #140

Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:55 AM

1. EliZabeth Warren.

 

Please, please don't make me be President!!! Please!!!!!

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:56 AM

2. Anyone of the three actually

I might be holding my nose for one of them but if they were the democratic nominee I'd vote for them

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:57 AM

3. George Clinton... he def brings da funk.

 

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:59 AM

4. He's doing a show here this weekend.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 10:10 PM

127. Saw him last year. Great show! nt

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:19 AM

8. The Cabinet would be the P-Funk Allstars

The desired effect is what you get when you improve your interplanetary funksmanship.

So, put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip. And come on up to the Mothership

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:23 AM

11. George Clinton (F) ..."Parliament" Funkadelic (political) party

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:27 AM

13. P-Funk could easily settle Ukraine Crisis with a massive funk jam.

 

Lay down your arms, pick up your feet.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:27 AM

23. He already laid out his plans...

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 07:45 AM

122. Bootsy Collins for Secretary of State!!...nt

Sid

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:27 AM

24. Oh, I would DEFINITELY go to THAT inaugural!

(Though I hope they'd have reinforced the Washington Monument by then)

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:55 AM

44. Bootsie for VP

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #44)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:15 AM

86. That I would vote for! Love Bootsie!

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:05 AM

52. Yessir! With Bootsy as Vice!

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Response to nyabingi (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:02 AM

90. George and Bootsy in 16!

 

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 09:22 AM

132. The only Clinton I would vote for.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:02 AM

5. If the primaries were today my vote would go to Warren.

I do not think she is simply some kind of outside chance. For where she is at I think she is polling well when put up against Clinton. If I remember correctly she is polling just under 15% when matched with Clinton and Biden. She is not really a flame thrower and I believe this is excellent recognition for someone who is simply working to improve what is broken and often dealing with topics that are not sexy in any way for most Americans.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:26 AM

105. Even if she didn't win, running would up her

name recognition and exposure massively, making her more electable in future.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:13 AM

6. If Bernie was at least 10 years younger, I'd support him all the way.

He could run as a Democrat, a Socialist, a Green, or whatever; it would make no difference to me. I'd actually volunteer for him, and I've never volunteered for a candidate in my life. But he's too old now. If he runs, he'll raise some important issues, which is great, but he will be more or less a novelty candidate. I really hope Warren runs, because there aren't too many possible candidates who I could vote for in good conscience. I want to vote for a Democrat, but there are some possible candidates who I just will not vote for.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:13 AM

7. Like Sanders, prefer Warren.

Need someone in there to get at the banks who knows what they do and how they do it. To me, this is the most important issue. The oligarchy that needs to be taken apart in this country is the banking one.

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Response to Benton D Struckcheon (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:22 AM

10. Me too. My first choice would be Warren, but Sanders is a very close second.

And one plus for Sanders is that he has a lot of experience in D.C., with foreign policy and military issues, budget negotiations, etc.

But Warren would probably have a better chance of being elected -- and she doesn't have the Socialist tag associated with her name.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:21 AM

9. Anyone who is not Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.

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Response to ananda (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:26 AM

12. Lowest bar ever.

 

So Rmoney would be OK with you?

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Response to ananda (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:28 AM

14. So Satan is ok with you?

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:18 AM

101. Satan is a Democrat?

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #101)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:28 AM

106. Well, he IS a DINO--

Demon In Name Only…

He's only hanging on until he can retire when Cheney gets there to take over.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #106)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:00 PM

109. No I think he is a card carrying Republican.....

 

full on.....

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 09:24 AM

133. I would vote for Satan over ANY Republican . . .

. . . better the devil you know.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:56 AM

15. Dr. Warren, Bernie Sanders

and holding my nose, if not one of the above, H. Clinton.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:58 AM

17. Looks like George has a chance against Hillary.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:58 AM

16. For the Democratic Party nomination or for President?

I guess the question only makes sense if it's for the Democratic Party nomination.

Bryant

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:59 AM

18. Hillary is the only Democrat capable of winning in 2016 IMO.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:00 AM

20. Tell that to George.

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:02 AM

49. The corporate media certainly have constructed this meme now with Elizabeth Warren on the fringe...

 

... looking in.

They were trying to posit her as "the choice" to before Obama came on the stage too. At least in those days, they weren't as afraid of Obama's actions as they look at more of a populist choice in Elizabeth Warren. Obama ran on "change" to capture populist sentiment, but he didn't really define that much what "change" was and didn't really do much that was expected once he got in to office. Corporate media is working double time trying to promote Clinton as the "inevitable" this time with them feeling more threatened by someone like Warren and Sanders than they felt from Obama (or even John Edwards who I felt since perhaps was one they allowed to enter in to grab the populist votes in the primary, knowing that the PTB could pull the plug on him later which they did).

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:23 AM

58. The media is irrelevant.....particularly since Citizen's United...

......Presidential candidates can't succeed without corporate support. I don't like it but that's the sad state of affairs. You're fooling yourself if you think Warren or Sanders could win without a huge amount of special interest support. Our main goal in 2016 should be to support the most electable candidate. Then, that candidate/President will get to choose 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. At that point, decisions like Citizen's United and the Voting Rights Act can be reversed. Until such a time., any Democrat in the Oval Office will remain handcuffed. The politician can't get around the system. The system must be changed first. I think both Warren and Sanders would agree with me on that point.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #58)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:32 AM

62. And tell me how supporting candidates that PUSH in stealth the TPP is going to help us...

 

The "corporate support" is what is screwing us, and will continue to screw us until we can go door to door to our friends and neighbors and build a collective sense of why both parties have been why we are all being made poor and getting screwed, and that we can't rely on the spoonfed media and other messages to get in people that will actually try to fix the system. Hillary Clinton also supports the TPP and H-1B expansion, the latter which has been screwing me in the job market for the last 10-15 years and has kept me from having more time and flexibility to be more publicly active in trying to get change going. We are all facing that, and when independents and some more rational Republicans start to realize that, we'll know that on issues that we agree on that aren't always deemed "centrist" which really ARE the moderate positions that we all should support to fix the system, that these so-called "centrist" or "moderates" are united in opposing to keep the 1% in power that controls them now. Now, I have to run off and work and won't be able to respond until at least the end of the day now.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #62)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:57 AM

68. I essentially agree with everything you just said but......

......I do not see an impending change in the apathy that has gripped the electorate. In 2008 we experienced the worst financial crisis of our lifetimes. The people didn't demand change in any significant way. The banks are bigger and by and large still unregulated. The Republicans have obstructed every attempt to address the economies ills these past 5 years, yet, polls show us that there's a 50/50 chance that we can lose the majority in the Senate this fall. HOW CAN THAT BE ? IMO, the winner in 2016 will be able to reshape the Supreme Court given the relative ages of the Justices. Therefore, in lieu of the fact the the American electorate remains out to lunch, if playing by the rules of a corporatist friendly system is what we must do to win in 2016, then so be it. Even Elizabeth Warren, if she were to win the nomination, would have to raise in excess of $1 Billion directly and be supported by $1 - $3 Billion in outside PAC money. She would not be immune. We need to shift the balance on the Supreme Court to eventually turn things around. So we agree on what needs to be done but we seem to differ on timing. I see know evidence that would tell me that the electorate is ripe for change. This fall will offer us further information as to timeline.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #68)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:00 AM

89. The people thought they were voting for significant change when they voted for Mr. Obama in 2008.

Change was the main campaign theme.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:08 AM

53. Heard the same thing in 2008, until Hillary couldn't even win the nom. n/t

 

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #53)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:44 AM

65. +1000 nt

 

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #53)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 05:44 AM

130. Clintons poll numbers were crap this far out.

Not so this time.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:32 AM

61. LOL, good one! Nt

 

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:52 PM

81. True Dat ! Takes a relative newbee to cut

through it all for the truth. Yes, Hillary is the only one
who could win.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:59 AM

19. In a primary or general election?

If the general, then the Democratic nominee, whomever that turns out to be.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:07 AM

21. Either of them

Clinton in the primary - but no issues at all with Warren or Sanders in the general.

No 2016 primary drama for me.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:09 AM

22. Warren is now as popular as Kucinich was last time

 

On the internet.

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Response to Polito Vega (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:30 AM

25. Clever.

 

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Response to Polito Vega (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:02 AM

50. ...only this time the flying saucer is going to land on Wallstreet.

 

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Response to Polito Vega (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:21 AM

57. That pretty much proves that many Democrats on the internet are more intelligent

and perceptive than Democrats in the general population, considering that the Revolutionary Dictatorship of the Corporations, and the plantation class, has been allowed to continue to expand, unimpeded and uncontrolled.

If Kucinich had been President for the past 5+ years, you can be sure that corporations would have been forced to get in line or leave the country, and efforts to control global warming and environmental destruction would be at the top of his agenda.

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan would have been over in 2009, drones would still be a class of insect, and our prisons would be full of disgraced banksters.

People who are too stupid to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #57)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:03 PM

115. I had the feeling that Kucinich didn't win the Democratic nomination partially

 

because he wasn't good-looking enough. The principles he stood for were of
secondary consideration. To me, he is a real Democrat, as are Warren and
Sanders.

I see that DU clearly has more left-of-center members than middle-of-the-roaders.
But I have no idea what the Democrats in the general population are like.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:45 AM

26. She, next to Obama, would be the most threatened president. I don't trust that Warren knows how

to keep herself alive.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:48 AM

27. Irrelevant

2014.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:51 AM

28. Warren AND Sanders on same ticket. nt

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:53 AM

29. This shows where the DU is compared to the rest of the party (and nation)

Nothing wrong with that, but it illustrates how non-representative this site is.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:58 AM

46. Fact check that did ya?

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:02 AM

51. Just managing expectations.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:25 PM

78. Do you need it spelled out?

Again, I have nothing against Warren as a nominee. She's actually quite a bit more centrist than many of those swooning over her right now apparently know. But the fact that HRC, who is going to be the nominee, comes in third on a D.U. poll says something. And not about her. About many of the most prolific people who chat on the DU.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #78)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:11 AM

85. Yea go ahead ...spell it out.

 

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:19 PM

116. With another Republican as president, democracy in America would soon be dead. With

 

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a conservative Democrat, democracy would also die, but more slowly. This is
what I am afraid of. You obviously don't see that we are in critical danger
right now. I do.

Many already feel that America is no longer a democracy -- they already think
that we've become an oligarchy.

http://billmoyers.com/2014/03/27/the-koch-brothers-and-the-danger-of-american-plutocracy/

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Response to Cal33 (Reply #116)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 07:01 PM

120. Democracy does not "die" when you lose an election...

Plenty of people live in their own little bubble of non-reality, imagining that since everyone else in their personal world agrees with them politically, there is no possible way any election which their side looses could possibly be fair and/or democratic. Where I come from, crying about election-fraud, the lame-stream media, and the US of A going to hell because of "those" people, all is a hallmark of the right, not the left. Why some people are absolutely convinced that millions of Mexicans all came illegally and headed straight to the voting booths to put that Obama into office!

Democrats are generally better than this. Generally. But if you really think democracy is dying, what are you personally doing to stop that from happening? I guarantee you, there are a lot of Democratic candidates out there who would welcome your support on their campaigns. Think about that and see if you can rise off your easy chair, to go pitch in.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to Cal33 (Reply #116)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 08:31 AM

131. Democracy is already dead. The dead just don't know it yet.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #131)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 09:26 AM

134. Well, the very fact that we can still write and offer criticism on a site such as

 

DU right here, shows that something of democracy is still alive. But with both
Houses of Congress and the White House in the hands of Republicans, all freedom
of expression will soon disappear.

G.W. Bush came somewhat close to it the last time. They didn't try to push it all
the way, because they probably felt that the chances of succeeding weren't yet ripe.
But since the time of Bush, Corporate America has come much further along. As
said above, if they have the White House and both Houses of Congress this time,
they could very well go all the way.

By the same token, if Democrats should have both Houses of Congress and the
White House in 2016, we should go all the way with a left-of-center president.
It might be our last chance. The Republicans have less to fear, Democrats will
always allow them their freedom. We are not out to kill Republicans the way they
have been trying to kill Obama and the Democratic Party -- and they know they
will live to fight their way another day.

The opposite is not true. If Democrats lose this time, dictatorship will soon be
staring at us in the face. This is what will happen when we have too many
greedy Al Capones holding high positions in government and private industry.

This is the main difference between Democrats and present-day Republicans.

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Response to Cal33 (Reply #134)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 09:41 AM

136. Yes the zombies will still vote.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:54 AM

30. Either Warren or Sanders for me. I have no interest in the others listed.

 

Should prove to be another shitty election for me as I'm pretty sure America's only choices will once again be Corporatist "D" or Corporatist "R".

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:06 AM

31. That's just how I feel.

I don't think Americans are fed up enough yet. Things are going to have to get a lot worse before they start to look beyond the same old mainstream pablum. As long as they have The Bachelor and Survivor and their chips and Budweiser, they'll continue to look for change from the people who created this mess.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:16 AM

32. The reality is that the voting system in the US is rigged on so many levels.

 

From a public news media that validates only the "chosen ones", gerrymandered districts that operate as intended regardless of actual vote totals, voter suppression legislation all over the place, to easily compromised voting equipment with intentionally inadequate means for validating vote totals. While we fight for Democracy for others in the world (particularly those in oil rich countries), we neglect to see that we lost our Democracy here at home a long time ago. I'd say our voting system is "a shame"...but in reality, "a sham" is probably more appropriate.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #32)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:56 AM

67. You're right; we don't have a democracy.

All we do is vote for the people who are told what to do by the MIC and intelligence agencies. That won't change, either, as long as people are so disengaged. I wonder what will finally set people off and get them involved. I also wonder if it's already too late to do anything about it.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #67)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 08:04 PM

75. We have the best democracy money can buy.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:17 AM

33. either

Warren or Sander's

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:19 AM

34. Of those, Sanders

 

is my top pick.

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:39 AM

38. Do you honestly believe that Sanders can win a national election?

Or does that not matter?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #38)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:43 AM

39. Yes

 

I believe Sanders can win a national election.

I am not so sure that many thought Obama could when he ran but look what happened.

#believe

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:30 AM

59. Obama never presented himself as a Socialist...

...or as liberal as Sanders.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #59)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:08 PM

74. But still many thought that a one-term, Black Senator

 

would never win.

But people responded to his message, he ran a great campaign, people came out to vote, and, well, the rest is history.

It can happen again.

#believe

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #74)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:07 PM

76. I don't deny that a well-run campaign is important...

...for a candidate who meets an acceptable political threshold.

A self-avowed Socialist doesn't.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:27 AM

35. I did not provide a vote, as ...

 

I am far more concerned with focusing on 2014.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:38 AM

36. Hard to vote for Warren since she doesn't want to run...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #36)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:52 AM

42. Yup. n/t

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:38 AM

37. I'm appalled Manny isn't on the ballot.:) n/t

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:52 AM

43. He was but I changed it ...and now back by popular demand.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #43)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:56 AM

45. Aw, I already voted.

I'll have to emulate the good Mr Romney and establish residence in some other DU's basement so I can vote again.

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #45)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:00 AM

48. Unlike using a Diebold voting machine ...you can change your vote here.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:49 AM

40. If those were the choices in the Democratic Primary, then Warren all the way.

Ranked: Warren, Sanders, Clinton. (Pretty much how the poll is shaping up, coincidentally-ish.)

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:51 AM

41. Either Warren or Sanders would be fine with me.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:59 AM

47. Warren or Sanders pls

 

Not interested in Ms. $250k Per Speech.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:09 AM

54. Sanders and Warren would be a great ticket. Manny & Scuba a close second. Hillary..LOL.

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #54)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:31 AM

60. Well, they'd take Vermont, DC and Massachusetts...

...Ohio? Virginia? Florida? North Carolina? Colorado?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #60)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:33 AM

63. I hope we find out.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #60)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 09:52 AM

96. This

My parents (both staunch Democrats) have already said they would not vote for Warren should she run for president. If she does not have my parents, she's DOA.

It seems that many on this board are fine with Walter Mondale type numbers if the Democrat is progressive enough for them. I don't vote for unelectable candidates.

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Response to tabbycat31 (Reply #96)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:10 AM

99. What are their objections?

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #99)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:30 AM

108. 'too liberal'

The only other Democrat they don't like is NYC mayor Bill DeBlasio.

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Response to tabbycat31 (Reply #108)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 07:29 AM

121. Why would they think that? Are there particular policies they can't swallow?

Are your folks against basic economic fairness and transparency in transactions?

I'd argue Warren's positions are mostly common sense and mostly revolve around clear disclosure. I don't see how decent folks oppose such things, even Republicans used to believe in such things, now we have Democrats who viscerally reject any anti fleecing efforts.

I don't mean to be offensive but I don't get your folks here, it seems they are operating either out of ignorance, fear to the point of paranoia, or motivated by avarice.

What the he'll has Warren pushed that decent folks would oppose?

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #121)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:15 PM

123. I'm sorry to say my Democratic voting sisters and brother,

..aren't Progressive enough to vote for Warren or Sanders. I'm tired of arguing with them. I'm afraid to press my own children who will not answer the question and won't fess up enough to say the same thing, because they know I'm ill, and don't want to cause me the stress.

They are about to change their party, and their position on Obama, being too Liberal, because of their new conditions, and higher costs of insurance. I don't understand, they are on board on everything else, pro life, immigration, separation of church and state, corporate spending, etc, but can't get by ACA.

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Response to GOPee (Reply #123)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:38 PM

124. What does RomneyCare have to offer do with Warren or Sanders above any other Democrat?

Particularly Warren who wasn't even in office.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #124)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 09:37 PM

125. Nothing directly

but my sisters think it is socialism, my brother doesn't know much but he listens to my sister. She knows Sanders is a socialist, and Warren talks too progressive for her taste. We never had these arguments in the past, and they were big Obama supporters until they tackled the problems that started with the website and now with insurance, of their higher costs and doubling of their deductibles.

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Response to GOPee (Reply #125)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 01:54 PM

138. They need to figure out what socialism is because being indentured to for profit corporations

is not much of a fit.

This is one of the reasons the deal stinks, just get the Democrats to push the Heritage Foundation plan and it can be framed as "socialism" and we can have the wild west or nothing except for the rich.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #121)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 02:55 PM

139. Bottom line is they're not populists

And they think people like her and Bill DeBlasio (who they can't stand) are way too far to the left. They're Democrats but centrist Democrats.

I personally like Warren, and the 2008 me would have voted for her in the primaries (maybe as late as 2010). But I don't see her winning electorally AT ALL (I'm thinking a Kerry performance AT BEST, but more realistically an ass kicking). In 2008, Obama expanded the electoral map by putting states like Virginia and North Carolina in play. I just don't see her expanding the map at all.

I work for Democratic campaigns, I'm around Democrats 24/7. Most of the people I work with think she will carry only the bluest of the blue states (CA, NY, etc) if she were the nominee. I'd rather have a candidate that has a shot at winning and not setting us back 50 years by giving the GOP some Supreme Court vacancies. I don't want a Walter Mondale for party purity's sake. Call me a sellout if you must, but I've mostly worked in purple to red states and I know what kind of Democrats can win these conservative states and districts. She has no appeal to southern independent voters.

And also if Fox and their minions have branded Obama as a socialist, imagine what they'll do to her.

Besides all this is a moot point because she has said repeatedly that she's not running.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:11 AM

55. I only vote for progressives

 

and don't believe in lesser evil, so if Warren won't commit it is Bernie all the way for me.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:18 AM

56. I chose Warren

Warren: would be nice to have a woman and probably a better campaigner than Sanders. My #1 from the list

Sanders: even more liberal than Warren but may be a bit risky to run him right now

Hillary: also a woman which is a plus, but would she be more liberal than Obama? Likely not and may be more conservative on some issues. She may bring fight to the table but that's not enough to make her my #1.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:33 AM

64. Can't and wont get behind Hillary. nt

 

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #64)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:17 AM

100. Cound't too go with her!

 

I will never forget her and her men to have helped defeat Kerry in 2004 with behind doors manoeuvers to have get her seat stay hot for 2008 PRIMARIES;

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:51 AM

66. I am a Democrat and I vote for whoever wins the Dem Primary...

 

by the way....Hillary STILL has a commanding lead over ALL possible Republicans.

That's called "having an Ace in the hole"....

It is what it is...

Oh and in Elizabeth Warren 's new book...SHE praises Hillary Clinton!

You all better stop worrying about Who the fuck is the next Pres Candidate...and START worrying about HOW we beat Republicans in the Midterms....

Otherwise...it won't matter IF it is Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders.....if we don't control the House....we are fucked even then.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #66)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:53 PM

77. LOL, how soon you forget Hillary at one point had a 27 point lead over Obama. You....

 

need to remember, Hillary can fuck up a lead quicker than anyone.

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Response to Logical (Reply #77)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:59 PM

82. So how does this effect the FACT that for now that is the truth?

 

your wishing it wasn't notwithstanding...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #82)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:31 PM

84. Like I said, she will find a way to make someone else look GREAT! nt

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #66)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:46 PM

80. 2014 is important

But it may not be pretty and that's because the party needs to change. Can't keep offering Republican light because voters will take the real thing. I don't see that happening in time for November. If not, then we need to start by selecting a leader in the WH like Warren or Bernie.

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Response to ChangeUp106 (Reply #80)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:01 PM

83. You are STILL expecting a Miracle Worker....a Hero....a Messiah....

 

you will be gravely disappointed no matter who it is...particularly if we don't win back the House in '14....

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:00 PM

69. How about Bernie Sanders with Warren as his running mate?

 

Hillary doesn't look like she's popular here!

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:06 PM

70. In the general election? The Democratic nominee, whoever that is.

In the primaries? Depends who the candidates are. Possibly Sanders if he runs in the Democratic primary (and his presence on the ballot isn't challenged by state Democratic parties). He won't get the nomination (it'll be Hillary, if she runs).

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:50 PM

71. Can't vote

I'm a Brit so obviously can't vote in your elections but of teh three, I like Bernie best. That may be because I don't know much about Warren though.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 05:02 PM

72. It's a tie between Warren and Sanders.

But since I could only chose one, I chose the younger of the two, and also the non-Independent. Sadly, though, I'm pretty sure we're going to get Hillary rammed down our throats.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 05:25 PM

73. I love Bernie

but I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee for President.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:41 PM

79. In a Perfect World

Warren/Sanders 2016 would be a big-time ticket. I don't think Bernie can beat Hillary but I absolutely believe Warren can.

If I was the deciding vote however, I think Bernie best represents my own views and I would select him. That's no knock on Warren. I love her as much as everyone else. Bernie is just a little bit ahead in my eyes.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:26 AM

87. I think Sherrod Brown makes the most sense and should be drafted.

This is a legit liberal who has demonstrated the ability to win a statewide general election in a swing state and a real track record.

I'd go with Bernie next. I like Bernie more but 20 years and Vermont vs. Ohio is tough to overcome.

I like Warren but consider her to have too many spots where I'm not sure of where she stands.

I also tend think the shitty political environment makes her seem leftist when she really is just a moderate that believes in a fair shake for everyone. More a throwback to the pre - Reagan era, middle of the road than flaming liberal.

In any event, any of those three would need one of the others or someone even more frightening to the establishment and robber barons to keep them alive and kicking. Ticket balance my ass, we'd need a big insurance policy.

Clinton and that set? Suicidal long term but noticeably less immediately stupidly dangerous than a theocratic Tea idiot, more of a slower boil for our frog in the pot. Perhaps more truly dangerous to any future though as I have little doubt we'd see a continuation of the deliberalization of the party and assimilating more personality driven folks to the corporate/imperialism/security state bulls hit fold leaving us with ever less ability to change the tune from 'Fiddle while Rome Burns'.

All three further handicap the Senate and give the corporate owned machine Democrats to sneak a turd into the punch bowl, which brings us back to the newly vastly understated obstacle to really getting at problems, the Senate.
Not this one in particular but as an institution in general though somewhat disguised by the advent of the nutter House over the last several years but over time it has proven to the check on people power.

When the Republicans control it, matters are worse but it is seldom

I believe on the flip side of that coin, if we could get the rights folks in their much of the other nonsense would get weeded out under advise and consent, oversight powers, and sheer ability to gum up the works in addition to legislative function.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #87)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 09:25 AM

94. I agree ...Warren would only take the party left to where it used to be ...pre Reagan.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:53 AM

88. This thread should have full participation.

And many recommendations too.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:14 AM

91. Warren is my first pick. Sanders is my second. K&R nt.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:59 AM

92. Martin O'Mally

Believe.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:42 AM

93. Warren with Sanders as VP running mate.

 

The good and reasonnable choice for me.



And once those too great people elected. .. Please keep Kerry as Sos.

And Please. .. who is George Clinton?

Txs to all. Peace.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 09:39 AM

95. Hillary Clinton is my current first choice. eom

 

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 09:56 AM

97. warren, clinton, sanders, martin o'malley.

 

let's not kids ourselves, most of us will vote for the dem candidate regardless of who they are

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:08 AM

98. I went for Sanders

but I'd be fine with Warren, too. A couple others I liked, but not sure they're that widely known. But they'd be good at the bottom of the ticket, then could run in 2024.

Sanders/Scuba 2016!

or

Warren/Manny 2016

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:21 AM

102. I don't see a "any democratic candidate" button

Because any democratic candidate will be a million times better than any repig theocratic teabagger.

So I will have to pass.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #102)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:24 AM

103. It's also missing an autolockstep button.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:24 AM

104. I can't make up my mind--

Manny or Scuba.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #104)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:47 PM

110. Why do you think I didn't enter Skittles?

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #110)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:16 PM

112. She'd really kick ass in the Primaries!

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #110)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:35 PM

117. I would vote for Skittles!

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #117)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:59 PM

118. Everyone would.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:30 AM

107. First Choice Warren

Second Bernie and third Hillary, but I will vote for the Democrat who wins the nomination in any event, and since I will then be retired, I will be able to work hard for that nominees election.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:49 PM

111. wow, an overwhelming Warren vote

I like that, wtg DU

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Response to Hutzpa (Reply #111)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:18 PM

113. I've been told by a conservative DU member that this DU poll does not represent most Dems.

 

I guess you could expect that from a conservative.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #113)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:34 PM

114. Regardless of what the ConservaDems may think

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for DU to be overwhelmingly swinging toward Warren means a lot, this shows that people are beginning to warm up to her
and she has been showing signs of stability and aggression especially her fight with the banksters.

#letsgowarren

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 06:56 PM

119. Going with Liz since she has insider knowledge of how

 

banks (don't) work. She will need a decent Congress to get anything done, but if she were to win, that target would have to be in range as well.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 09:40 PM

126. where's the "all of them" option? i'd vote Bernie first, in a primary, but i don't think he'd make

it to the general. I like Warren a lot too, but I don't know if she would either.

if it came down between Hillary and a repuke it's Hillary all the way.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 05:34 AM

128. Only Sanders, Warren and George Clinton are worthy of my vote and support

 

the rest, not so much.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 05:39 AM

129. Assuming a primary vote. Warren = Third Way Udall.

Fails consistently to back progressive legislation.

Hope Wyden runs, I'd vote for him in this poll but he is not an option.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 12:41 PM

137. Oh please, another poll on this issue?

Warren has repeatedly said that she has no interest in running. I don't think that she's trying to be coy.

Sanders has as much chance as I do to become president.

Whatever...........

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Mon Apr 21, 2014, 03:51 PM

140. From a practical perspective

Does age not matter at all? I know some may interpret this as agist. I've had this conversation with women (the same age as Hillary, etc) who have served in the state legislature. They know how exhausting it is to hold office, and what it means to want to finally relax a little. We're talking about people who have and continue to serve this country well. I have a hard time thinking that they are going to want to take on the toughest job in the world long past the age many people would like to retire.

The presidency is absolutely grueling.
I can't imagine anyone would deny that Obama's, Clinton's, and Kennedy's relative youth was a factor in their elections.

Our bodies eventually break down unless we're planning to gamble on the possibility of "living forever" I think we would do well to make sure that we have other candidates to look at.

That said, I am going to vote for the Democratic nominee.

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