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Why aren't they angry at Reagan? (Original Post) napkinz Apr 2014 OP
Check mate. H2O Man Apr 2014 #1
k&r... spanone Apr 2014 #2
This E.O. came as a result of an Act of Congress. former9thward Apr 2014 #3
Thanks for bringing facts NewJeffCT Apr 2014 #36
Facts don't matter when dealing with angry morons ... JEFF9K Apr 2014 #4
:) napkinz Apr 2014 #5
Something short and sweet works best. LLD Apr 2014 #20
Because Reagan is Gawd to the RWNJs, and they suffer no other gods before him. Or else: freshwest Apr 2014 #39
Full text of order. ... JEFF9K Apr 2014 #6
The moron orchestrated the destruction of the middle class and american infrastructure randys1 Apr 2014 #7
Not To Mention The NEA n/t left on green only Apr 2014 #26
K&R! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #8
Because they're dumber than fucking rocks Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2014 #9
Reagan also passed "oppressive" gun control measures as California's governor. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #10
Because reagan was WHITE. Connect the dots, my friend. nt madinmaryland Apr 2014 #11
History is bunk. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #12
What federal lands will they set up in next? Acreage in Grand Canyon National Park. DhhD Apr 2014 #13
How about in Iowa's roadside ditches? DoBotherMe Apr 2014 #29
Range fees per head of cattle are $20 a mo private land; $12.50/mo Nevada state land; and.......... ErikJ Apr 2014 #14
Here's an idea: Feds should say "OK, we'll turn over this land to Nevada louis-t Apr 2014 #32
"Arguing" with a guy on FB about that now. Atman Apr 2014 #15
If He's Open to Learning Something Leith Apr 2014 #19
What part of PUBLIC lands did they not understand? merrily Apr 2014 #16
Exactly! PUBLIC, which means it belongs to you and me. jazzimov Apr 2014 #38
Where can I find this on the net? I want to share with friends...and enemies. Lint Head Apr 2014 #17
Because freedom! And commie Obama. And you f**ing librul! Beartracks Apr 2014 #18
Most gun nuts and teabaggers madville Apr 2014 #21
Kickaroo, Buckaroos! Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2014 #22
Because... It's all Obama's fault! TRoN33 Apr 2014 #23
I had read that, napkinz.. much more compelling in this Graphic.. thank you! Cha Apr 2014 #24
You think FOX "News" will share this information with its viewers? napkinz Apr 2014 #30
If they did NewJeffCT Apr 2014 #35
Only if Montezumasdaddy Apr 2014 #42
fox doesn't share facts.. fox shares lies. Cha Apr 2014 #40
Must be the only thing Reagan did right in eight years. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #25
You expect a teabagger to understand things like this? liberal N proud Apr 2014 #27
Because Reagan has had a concerted effort to rewrite his history Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #28
heck, the GOP itself was sick of him by '88: not until the 90s did the GOP decide to swing right MisterP Apr 2014 #37
IOKIYAR blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #31
He was also the original teabagger: Initech Apr 2014 #33
Another MEME I found... TrollBuster9090 Apr 2014 #34
Why aren't they angry at Reagan? TNNurse Apr 2014 #41
They Liked Reagan erpowers Apr 2014 #43
kick napkinz Apr 2014 #44

former9thward

(31,810 posts)
3. This E.O. came as a result of an Act of Congress.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:31 PM
Apr 2014

So the OP is incorrect on both grounds. An E.O can't permanently extend anything.

From the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 (Public Law 95 - 514);

(3) charge a fee for public grazing use which is equitable and
reflects the concerns addressed in paragraph (a) (5) above


http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-92/pdf/STATUTE-92-Pg1803.pdf

The law was passed and signed three years before Reagan came to office.

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
6. Full text of order. ...
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:45 PM
Apr 2014

Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees

February 14, 1986

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:

Section 1. Determination of Fees. The Secretaries of Agriculture and the Interior are directed to exercise their authority, to the extent permitted by law under the various statutes they administer, to establish fees for domestic livestock grazing on the public rangelands which annually equals the $1.23 base established by the 1966 Western Livestock Grazing Survey multiplied by the result of the Forage Value Index (computed annually from data supplied by the Statistical Reporting Service) added to the Combined Index (Beef Cattle Price Index minus the Prices Paid Index) and divided by 100; provided, that the annual increase or decrease in such fee for any given year shall be limited to not more than plus or minus 25 percent of the previous year's fee, and provided further, that the fee shall not be less than $1.35 per animal unit month.

Sec. 2. Definitions. As used in this Order, the term:

(a) ``Public rangelands'' has the same meaning as in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 (Public Law 95 - 514);

(b) ``Forage Value Index'' means the weighted average estimate of the annual rental charge per head per month for pasturing cattle on private rangelands in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service from the June Enumerative Survey) divided by $3.65 and multiplied by 100;

(c) ``Beef Cattle Price Index'' means the weighted average annual selling price for beef cattle (excluding calves) in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) for November through October (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service) divided by $22.04 per hundred weight and multiplied by 100; and

(d) ``Prices Paid Index'' means the following selected components from the Statistical Reporting Service's Annual National Index of Prices Paid by Farmers for Goods and Services adjusted by the weights indicated in parentheses to reflect livestock production costs in the Western States: 1. Fuels and Energy (14.5); 2. Farm and Motor Supplies (12.0); 3. Autos and Trucks (4.5); 4. Tractors and Self-Propelled Machinery (4.5); 5. Other Machinery (12.0); 6. Building and Fencing Materials (14.5); 7. Interest (6.0); 8. Farm Wage Rates (14.0); 9. Farm Services (18.0).

Sec. 3. Any and all existing rules, practices, policies, and regulations relating to the administration of the formula for grazing fees in section 6(a) of the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 shall continue in full force and effect.

Sec. 4. This Order shall be effective immediately.

Ronald Reagan

The White House,

February 14, 1986.

[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 10:32 a.m., February 18, 1986]

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,846 posts)
10. Reagan also passed "oppressive" gun control measures as California's governor.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 08:12 PM
Apr 2014

And he supported the Brady Bill. But he wasn't a black man, so it's cool with the gun nuts.



Same with the Beirut barracks bombing and Iran Contra. He gets a free pass on all of it.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
14. Range fees per head of cattle are $20 a mo private land; $12.50/mo Nevada state land; and..........
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 08:39 PM
Apr 2014

a whole $1.35/mo on Federal land.

louis-t

(23,199 posts)
32. Here's an idea: Feds should say "OK, we'll turn over this land to Nevada
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:37 PM
Apr 2014

..since you only recognize the state as valid, then your grazing rights will go up 1,000%."

Atman

(31,464 posts)
15. "Arguing" with a guy on FB about that now.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 08:43 PM
Apr 2014

He says it "doesn't make sense." "Something doesn't add up." Cliven Bundy is waving American flags and spouting the Constitution, so he must be a true American. Obviously the liberal media is making this up.

Seriously. I am not making this up. My head is sore from pounding it against the wall. De-friend is next option, but this dude is fascinating!

Leith

(7,802 posts)
19. If He's Open to Learning Something
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 09:21 PM
Apr 2014

Tell him about the Sovereign Citizen Movement and the Posse Comitatus.

Cliven Bundy himself has said that he does not believe in the federal government. Here's Drudge on it.

I had to google to find sources that your acquaintance might consider "worthy." I don't usually go to Faux Propaganda or Drudge. Or perhaps he can't believe anything but what Hannity or Limbaugh say.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. What part of PUBLIC lands did they not understand?
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 09:00 PM
Apr 2014

It's the not the private property of the cattle owners. When property is not yours, you need the permission of the owner. And, usually, getting the permission of the owner costs something, whether it's called rent, or a license fee, or a grazing fee or whatever.

Is this hard stuff? Has no one else ever rented a car or an apartment or purchased feed for animals? Or, for that matter, paid for food for humans that was grown on someone else's land? If it's not yours and you want it, you probably have to pay. At least in a capitalistic society they pretend to love so much.

Beartracks

(12,761 posts)
18. Because freedom! And commie Obama. And you f**ing librul!
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 09:09 PM
Apr 2014

There, I just summed up Fox news coverage of this history fact.



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TRoN33

(769 posts)
23. Because... It's all Obama's fault!
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 10:52 PM
Apr 2014

Teabaggers are dreaming up of renaming Washington D.C. into Reaganville. He's white and he's a Republican so they're giving him a special treatment.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
30. You think FOX "News" will share this information with its viewers?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 02:58 PM
Apr 2014

Nah ... too many heads would explode.






liberal N proud

(60,306 posts)
27. You expect a teabagger to understand things like this?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 06:45 AM
Apr 2014

You are using facts, the teabaggers don't understand facts. They don't do history except to borrow a name from a group of vandals from more than 200 years ago.



Besides, there is a black man in the white house, that trumps all else as being the most evil thing in these peoples minds.



Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
28. Because Reagan has had a concerted effort to rewrite his history
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:53 AM
Apr 2014

After Reagan left office, a group of right-wingers have expended a lot of time and money to brainwash Americans into thinking Reagan was the conservative messiah.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
37. heck, the GOP itself was sick of him by '88: not until the 90s did the GOP decide to swing right
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 05:01 PM
Apr 2014

(as did the Dems)

I mean, if you ask someone on the street which Prez openly supported the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, an African Maoist who said he was God, POL FUCKING POT, had his best friend the CPSU GenSek, and secretly ran cocaine to give arms to people who murdered schoolteachers, said a guy who murdered 100,000 in 2 years was getting a "bum rap," praised the Argentinean junta, and gave arms and money to Iran and other hostage-takers, they'd say either Carter or Clinton ...

TNNurse

(6,913 posts)
41. Why aren't they angry at Reagan?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:18 PM
Apr 2014

It is easy. They are ignorant. Reagan was Republican and white. There are no other reasons.

Oh, except that conservatives have been taught by their Republican elected officials that their job is to make sure that the President does not accomplish anything while in office no matter the consequences. I believe a group got together and swore a pact to that on election night.

That Reagan did horrible damage to the economy is meaningless to them, again he was a Republican and oh, yeah, not black.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
43. They Liked Reagan
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:04 PM
Apr 2014

Cliven Bundy only stopped paying when Bill Clinton was elected. It seems this whole thing is political.

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