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(73,336 posts)Well done.
Recommended.
spanone
(135,645 posts)former9thward
(31,810 posts)So the OP is incorrect on both grounds. An E.O can't permanently extend anything.
From the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 (Public Law 95 - 514);
(3) charge a fee for public grazing use which is equitable and
reflects the concerns addressed in paragraph (a) (5) above
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-92/pdf/STATUTE-92-Pg1803.pdf
The law was passed and signed three years before Reagan came to office.
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)to the discussion.
JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)... but it's worth a try.
LLD
(136 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)Executive Order 12548 -- Grazing Fees
February 14, 1986
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and in order to provide for establishment of appropriate fees for the grazing of domestic livestock on public rangelands, it is ordered as follows:
Section 1. Determination of Fees. The Secretaries of Agriculture and the Interior are directed to exercise their authority, to the extent permitted by law under the various statutes they administer, to establish fees for domestic livestock grazing on the public rangelands which annually equals the $1.23 base established by the 1966 Western Livestock Grazing Survey multiplied by the result of the Forage Value Index (computed annually from data supplied by the Statistical Reporting Service) added to the Combined Index (Beef Cattle Price Index minus the Prices Paid Index) and divided by 100; provided, that the annual increase or decrease in such fee for any given year shall be limited to not more than plus or minus 25 percent of the previous year's fee, and provided further, that the fee shall not be less than $1.35 per animal unit month.
Sec. 2. Definitions. As used in this Order, the term:
(a) ``Public rangelands'' has the same meaning as in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 (Public Law 95 - 514);
(b) ``Forage Value Index'' means the weighted average estimate of the annual rental charge per head per month for pasturing cattle on private rangelands in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service from the June Enumerative Survey) divided by $3.65 and multiplied by 100;
(c) ``Beef Cattle Price Index'' means the weighted average annual selling price for beef cattle (excluding calves) in the 11 Western States (Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and California) for November through October (computed by the Statistical Reporting Service) divided by $22.04 per hundred weight and multiplied by 100; and
(d) ``Prices Paid Index'' means the following selected components from the Statistical Reporting Service's Annual National Index of Prices Paid by Farmers for Goods and Services adjusted by the weights indicated in parentheses to reflect livestock production costs in the Western States: 1. Fuels and Energy (14.5); 2. Farm and Motor Supplies (12.0); 3. Autos and Trucks (4.5); 4. Tractors and Self-Propelled Machinery (4.5); 5. Other Machinery (12.0); 6. Building and Fencing Materials (14.5); 7. Interest (6.0); 8. Farm Wage Rates (14.0); 9. Farm Services (18.0).
Sec. 3. Any and all existing rules, practices, policies, and regulations relating to the administration of the formula for grazing fees in section 6(a) of the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978 shall continue in full force and effect.
Sec. 4. This Order shall be effective immediately.
Ronald Reagan
The White House,
February 14, 1986.
[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 10:32 a.m., February 18, 1986]
randys1
(16,286 posts)left on green only
(1,484 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,156 posts)Besides Reagan wore cowboy gear just like they do.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,846 posts)And he supported the Brady Bill. But he wasn't a black man, so it's cool with the gun nuts.
Same with the Beirut barracks bombing and Iran Contra. He gets a free pass on all of it.
madinmaryland
(64,921 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)DoBotherMe
(2,339 posts)It's just ridiculous, isn't it? Dana ; )
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)a whole $1.35/mo on Federal land.
louis-t
(23,199 posts)..since you only recognize the state as valid, then your grazing rights will go up 1,000%."
Atman
(31,464 posts)He says it "doesn't make sense." "Something doesn't add up." Cliven Bundy is waving American flags and spouting the Constitution, so he must be a true American. Obviously the liberal media is making this up.
Seriously. I am not making this up. My head is sore from pounding it against the wall. De-friend is next option, but this dude is fascinating!
Leith
(7,802 posts)Tell him about the Sovereign Citizen Movement and the Posse Comitatus.
Cliven Bundy himself has said that he does not believe in the federal government. Here's Drudge on it.
I had to google to find sources that your acquaintance might consider "worthy." I don't usually go to Faux Propaganda or Drudge. Or perhaps he can't believe anything but what Hannity or Limbaugh say.
merrily
(45,251 posts)It's the not the private property of the cattle owners. When property is not yours, you need the permission of the owner. And, usually, getting the permission of the owner costs something, whether it's called rent, or a license fee, or a grazing fee or whatever.
Is this hard stuff? Has no one else ever rented a car or an apartment or purchased feed for animals? Or, for that matter, paid for food for humans that was grown on someone else's land? If it's not yours and you want it, you probably have to pay. At least in a capitalistic society they pretend to love so much.
jazzimov
(1,456 posts)He was stealing from you and me!
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Beartracks
(12,761 posts)There, I just summed up Fox news coverage of this history fact.
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madville
(7,397 posts)Hate Reagan for signing the 1986 FOPA, they don't worship him at all.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)TRoN33
(769 posts)Teabaggers are dreaming up of renaming Washington D.C. into Reaganville. He's white and he's a Republican so they're giving him a special treatment.
Cha
(295,971 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)Nah ... too many heads would explode.
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)we'd soon see CNN broadcasting headlines about Hell freezing over.
Montezumasdaddy
(10 posts)the plane has been found by then.
Cha
(295,971 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)liberal N proud
(60,306 posts)You are using facts, the teabaggers don't understand facts. They don't do history except to borrow a name from a group of vandals from more than 200 years ago.
Besides, there is a black man in the white house, that trumps all else as being the most evil thing in these peoples minds.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)After Reagan left office, a group of right-wingers have expended a lot of time and money to brainwash Americans into thinking Reagan was the conservative messiah.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)(as did the Dems)
I mean, if you ask someone on the street which Prez openly supported the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, an African Maoist who said he was God, POL FUCKING POT, had his best friend the CPSU GenSek, and secretly ran cocaine to give arms to people who murdered schoolteachers, said a guy who murdered 100,000 in 2 years was getting a "bum rap," praised the Argentinean junta, and gave arms and money to Iran and other hostage-takers, they'd say either Carter or Clinton ...
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Initech
(99,926 posts)TrollBuster9090
(5,953 posts)TNNurse
(6,913 posts)It is easy. They are ignorant. Reagan was Republican and white. There are no other reasons.
Oh, except that conservatives have been taught by their Republican elected officials that their job is to make sure that the President does not accomplish anything while in office no matter the consequences. I believe a group got together and swore a pact to that on election night.
That Reagan did horrible damage to the economy is meaningless to them, again he was a Republican and oh, yeah, not black.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)Cliven Bundy only stopped paying when Bill Clinton was elected. It seems this whole thing is political.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)nt