Anyone else watching the UN proceedings re Ukraine

[malaise]

World politics is something else.

Oops live on BBC

[Duckhunter935]

3. Thats from March nt

[G_j]

4. oops, thanks! nt

[Warpy]

2. Too much strutting and posturing for me

The real action happens way off camera when the UN delegates are given their orders by their respective countries.

[Igel]

5. Nope. It's just another way of trying to exert pressure.

Putin: "We must intervene to stop the violence against the Ukrainian people and to protect Russians."

Response: "So far, the violence has been by Russians against Ukraine and Ukrainians. You just want to protect the violent against the folk appointed by the Rada."

Ukr says that it's submitted pretty much daily reports and evidence of Russian action inside Ukraine to the UN. That defeats much of the posturing. It does provide sound-bites for the Russian media. The story you get from them is pretty much cleaned, rinsed a few times, and then put through a rather vicious spin cycle.

You get things like, "A mob overturned a car in Odessa, shattering the windshield after seeing a Right Sector banner in it." "Shots were fired at the site of a pro-Russian demonstration. One person was injured." "Shots were fired at the police station across from a primarily Russian-speaking school today."

Left out: "The car overturned belonged to a film crew who had been filming protesters. Those who overturned them scattered when the police came, claiming that they were Right Sector but no banner was found." "Shots were fired at the stie of a pro-Russian demonstration as protestors with Kalashnikovs fired into the air to keep counter-protestors away. One person was injured, a policeman keeping the groups apart." "Shots were fired by a group of men in camouflage and bearing the same weapons as those who took over the ODA building in Kramatorska the previous day. They attempted to take over a police station across from a school but the police repelled the take-over attempt."

The press doesn't lie so much as it leads the reader to infer a lie.

Very little gets reported in the Ukr press that isn't also in the Ru press. Ru press reports that are substantially different get cross-reported in the Ukr press. Ukr readers get both the local and the Ru versions and can compare and contrast them.

The same is not true of the Ru press in Moscow. (Might should check the Ukr Ru-language press. That might be interesting.)